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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:03 GMT
#1228
On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote:
Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health.
Took me a few hours to whip this one up in the scumqt after my team yelled at me for martyring

Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser.
huh? you don't wanna lynch geript today because you're reading him as disinterested town and scummy at the same time? what is this read?

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On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.

##Vote: TheChyz


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On January 01 2015 01:19 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 01:07 Koshi wrote:
On January 01 2015 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 00:53 Koshi wrote:
On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote:
Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself?

Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out.

Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did.

Show me a game in which Chyz is a townleader.

My read on Chyz is not based on meta. I have never played nor read one of his games. Is this how he normaly plays as town you think?


2 people were doing something that nobody so far found useful for 20 posts in a row.
1 guy said to those 2 people to stop their shitposting and asks on of them to do something useful in 1 post.

The 1 guy gets crap for doing not more pro-towns things in his 1 post and the 2 people who made 20 shitpost together are not discussed.

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I don't get it. Is it meta? Scum generally do exactly 1 protown thing in their post?

I get that TheChyz could have also done more digging himself, create more content, actively question people and look for scum. But unless he has a meta for doing those things, I am already content with him doing the 1 thing. It's more than others.

And like you said, he did scumhunting after that. It doesn't matter that people had to ask him for it. It is important that he did it, and I don't see you commenting on the value of those posts. You just say: "He did scumhunting because he was asked for it, so it doesn't count".

The reason I asked if you knew his meta was because you dismissed my by implying that unless you generally act as a townleader, stuff like this isn't scummy. I disagree.

Saying to two people that they should stop arguing over stupid shit is protown. But it is very non-commital. Its okay to do stuff like that as long as you are pushing scum as well. But Chyz wasn't hunting scum, not untill people called him out for not hunting scum.

It does not matter if he scumhunted after he was called out. If you are town and get called out for that, you scum hunt because it helps town. If you are scum, you scum hunt to avoid suspicion. The fact that he started scum hunt after he got called out for it IS not alignment indicative.

I feel what is relevant here is what his motive was. Its clear that he was reading the thread, its clear that he wrote a post, its clear that he didn't care to post any reads untill he got called out for it. What alignment does these action make sense from?

So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on.that's what he said in the first place. it's obvious that telling two people to stop an argument isn't scum indicative. he never said it was. motive and scum mentality are the same thing. can you clarify? this is made up. How is it a huge jump to conclusions to speculate on a players mentality? That's like 90% of what scumhunting is.

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On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"

Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.

DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.

rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him.

So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?).
You admit yourself you're a hypocrite here so you can't really say it's alignment indicative convincingly at all. If I recall at the time people were asking for these reads

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On January 01 2015 03:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"

Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.

DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.

rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him.


Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me

I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you?

Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why?

Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me

We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters.


I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read.

However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum

Well, if your argument is "you should be able to pick a more clear stance" I cannot argue against it. I don't feel like making up a read on any of them just to please you. Also, my read on Eden is not a scum read. He is null.

Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town.
Contradicting what? It was clear that his read on Eden was null. You yourself posted reads when act that you said were soft or not worth voting for or town or null. Hypocritical, not alignment indicative, hardly contradictory. If his read is null, it's null, what makes you think he's trying to force it to be null? He was already forthcoming about his scum reads on robik and you which he was mostly concerned about anyway. Cherrypicking.

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On January 01 2015 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that.

I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow.

Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town.
His point is pretty obvious - that he feels suspicious about Koshi. Explain this from a scum POV, explain how this is any different than the multitude of soft suspicions/doubt townies throw out over the course of a game and is probably in everyones filter. There is nothing suspicious about this.

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On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.

I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.

As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch!

Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more?
Again, hypocritical. Pretty much says he's gonna be active later, doesn't seem like he's trying too hard to push town cred out of this....you also have come in the thread to explain your little fake changes of heart.

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On January 02 2015 01:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm posting my thoughts as I go.

I said yesterday that I dislike Koshi. After looking at his filter, I still think he looks bad. He didn't post much since yesterday evening so most of this is simply rehashing.

1. (Palmar was already touching on this but I think its a strong point which is worth repeating)
Koshi was very very eager to defend Chyz in the early game. I'm not making any preflip associations here, but just by looking at his filter you can see how much time he spends on defending Chyz. This makes it looks like he is making alot of contributions (which in a sense he is) but he is in no way doing alot of scum hunting. Why is it that Koshi felt the ned to defend Chyz so hard in the first half of D1?

2. Not pushing geript despite voting him.

3. Afraid to actually call people scum. Instead saying things like "Your excuses come over scummy". Why not say YOU look scummy? Trying to set up a vote if possible, yet not pushing the lynch or having me against him as much as he could have.

So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi.
I guess him tunneling you for a short bit and voting for you doesn't count. This is a normal way of ramping up the pressure, he's remaining focused on his scumread which spells town to me.

Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched.

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On January 02 2015 02:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
As for rikoty, I think he is mildly suspicious but not lynch worthy. He didn't really do anything but tunnel DH yesterday for a pretty retarded reason. By doing this, he essentially avoided talking about most other things. Making a massive list of all his reads is not bad, but with no follow up this isn't really helping us in any way.

I think he could be a potential candidate for lynch D2 though.

"I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points.


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On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.

Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.

##Unvote
##Vote: geript

So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage.

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On January 02 2015 03:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw.

Elaborate.

Basically what Artanis said.

marv will be posting more on D2 no matter what alignment he is. We will be able to judge him better at that point. If he sucks then, sure I can kill him. To kill the strongest player because he is inactive D1, when there are legitimate reasons to be inactive, is hardly worth it.

Besides, even if your really think he is a good target, do you really believe he is the BEST target?

If marv is scum he will probably be happy to even survive day1.

On January 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
You didn't even give a read on marv.

I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1.

I once thought so too but this logic is actually retarded. If he is the strongest player he may aswell show us that he is town.

So you would rather kill someone for not playing the game the way you want it to be played than to actually kill the most likely scum? Besides, if you really think marv is playing that bad does it make him more scum? It doesn't make sense for scum marv to suck so I feel this is a flawed argument.

Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game?

o.O really? I've never played with scum marv. I guess that makes your argument more valid.

Still, do you think he is the BEST lynch for today?

So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now".

And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow.

Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum.

Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today.


That's enough of picking this one apart I got one more coming. Pls dont ignore
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:04 GMT
#1231
It also reminds me of the times I catch a mafia day 1 and they all deflect and try to tilt me instead of responding to what i'm actually saying. just parrot "drh is stupid" until people believe it
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:05 GMT
#1232
On January 02 2015 08:04 Koshi wrote:
Another problem I have with lynching Chyz atm is that Dr.H. reminds me off BH his insane pushes and those never end well.

the only problem you should EVER have with ANY lynch is whether or not you think the target is scum or not. anything else is bullshit and only concerns scum players who view votes as tactics
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:16 GMT
#1242

Shockingly, I still want to lynch TheChyz

I will restrict this post to one point and one point only. Unfortunately, town will have to do some reading and yes I will quote him. This entire game is about reading.

I'll just go in chronological order of his posts here and pick out only the parts that matter. Don't give me bullshit about taking stuff out of context unless you can demonstrate why the context matters.

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
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On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote:
Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.

A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?


On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?


From the third quote especially it's obvious that TheChyz highly suspects me as mafia. "Really scummish to me". Plain as day. He drops this read completely when he refocuses on LazerMonkey and acts as though he never thought I was mafia at all.

On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.


In this post he's back to trying to make his suspicion of me more legitimate. But how was he fine with me 8 hours ago? 8 hours ago he voted for me, tried to convince thread I was scum ("Really scummish" in fact). On top of that, he is once again confirming suspicion of me without really outright saying it. What does trying to push a vote mean? Why wouldn't I try to push a vote for someone I suspect highly? He provides zero examples which is inconsistent with his previous town behavior.

On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
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On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.


So he's trying to make it seem like he wasn't suspicious before (even though it's obvious he was scumreading me at the time). In his last post it seems that he suspects me again, but here it seems like he doesn't.

On January 02 2015 04:18 TheChyz wrote:
Just quickly dr.H the reason that I changed my opinion on you is that before going to bed that night it reminded me of one of my games where I tunneled somebody for a day because I found his posts suspicious. It turns out we were both town but the point is I find it very hard for a mafia to just tunnel and kinda annoy the thread like you have. Granted its keeping you safe from getting lynched day 1 for now, but it might have just as well backfired and I have very high doubts that scum would do something so risky with almost no reward. The more your tunneling the more it looks like your trying to get votes, but the matter of the fact that you haven't dropped it so far is pretty impressive and I just can't bring myself to believe that scum would do such a thing. That is mainly why my change in heart of you from that time happened. Maybe should have done this earlier to explain that? LOL.


So now you're saying, yet again, that you changed your opinion on me overnight. So you did in fact, suspect me before, even though just a bit earlier you said you were fine with me. He is impressed by my tunneling and think it makes me appear very pro-town, so his suspicions from earlier are gone I guess.

The reasons he raises suspicion on me in previous posts:
1. Spamming
2. Tunneling too hard

The reasons he now claims to think I am town:
1. Spamming
2. Tunneling too hard

On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote:
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On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday.

His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom

But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on.


You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot

I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh.


Two posts later my tunneling is no longer impressive I guess and just makes poor Chyz want to quit the game. Martyrd. I don't know if I need to say much more, does anyone need more? Go check out his previous town game to see the shocking difference in tone basically throughout his entire play this game, I don't buy the argument that he's just tilting from being tunneled cause he didn't tilt evens lighly when he got lynched in that game

RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:18 GMT
#1246
On January 02 2015 08:11 batsnacks wrote:
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On January 02 2015 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It also reminds me of the times I catch a mafia day 1 and they all deflect and try to tilt me instead of responding to what i'm actually saying. just parrot "drh is stupid" until people believe it


I think it would help you -a lot- if you tried making your case without using quotes at all.

i wouldn't really know how. that was the common idea when I played including filling an entire persons post history with red and such. if you are all willing me to work with me on this, what would be a better way of presenting my case? do you know how frustrating it is to just straight up see people saying tl;dr in a game that relies on careful reading.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:18 GMT
#1247
On January 02 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote:
because where i was @ in the thread he didn't have a clearly established read (i am currently back around page 52ish)

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On January 02 2015 08:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
huh? you don't wanna lynch geript today because you're reading him as disinterested town and scummy at the same time? what is this read?


and i think this and a couple other points imply he believes chyz to be deflecting, if he makes this point without thinking geript is mafia then it makes no sense. he does, so i can understand it.

this line makes sense either way but I do think geript and thechyz are mafia teammates along with batsnacks
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:20 GMT
#1250
On January 02 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
I think Vivax is mafia.

I know his scum meta as trying to stir shit up. Considering the holidays I'm not ready to jump on anybody for activity, if he's not a big part of the conversation in day 2 then something is very wrong
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:23 GMT
#1252
On January 02 2015 08:21 Eden1892 wrote:
Quick check in at work, Chyz looks like newbie town instead of mafia to me. He did a big pbp analysis of Lazermonkey which reminds me of all the times I've done pbp because I thought I really had something going.

I'm also a little worried about geript lynch being too easy, idk if that will actually stay my vote though.

You seem like you like reading. I went through it and show where he misrepresents lm intentionally. You need to be sheeping me rn.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:24 GMT
#1253
He already had his game as newbie town and he did pretty well. To the point, calm, his logic was clear and consistent. He didn't bother posting reads he had no confidence in. This is his game as newbie scum.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:26 GMT
#1256
Ok my last two posts on him arent that long. Are you just gonna ignore it again anyway? Im not gonna stop beating this drum after that terrible lm analysis he just posted.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:29 GMT
#1259
I'm trying my best to keep my cool here. You can ignore it if thats your choice. It's an explicitly anti town thing to do, give me the benefit of the doubt, I think I've earned that much with what I've done in the past
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:32 GMT
#1263
Obsess over mine instead. Thechyz is scum without a doubt. Stop being so fucking lazy.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:33 GMT
#1266
No, it has nothing to do with an omgus at all in fact.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:36 GMT
#1271
On January 02 2015 08:32 batsnacks wrote:
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On January 02 2015 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm trying my best to keep my cool here. You can ignore it if thats your choice. It's an explicitly anti town thing to do, give me the benefit of the doubt, I think I've earned that much with what I've done in the past


The one point you focused on was him voting you.

If you were tunneling me as hard as you are him I would 100% vote you out of frustration too. And then I might come to my senses and unvote you.

That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

He literally stated he wasnt actually suspicious of me when he was trying to PUSH THE THREAD to vote for me. He said he was fine with me at that point and then later he says he actually did suspect me during that time and changed his mind between when he went to sleep and when he woke up. Changed his mind from a scumread to a townread presumably, but that makes no sense when it's obvious he wasn't being facetious about his read. Then after he wakes up he is putting suspicion on me again. Flipped all the way around. Then he buddies me and when it doesnt work he ragequits to write a bullshit case on lm.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:37 GMT
#1272
Vivax explain your inactivity if you could?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:39 GMT
#1275
Let me put it this way.

Chyzs train of thought:
1. Drh is town
2. Drh is really scummy.
3. Ive been nonsuspicious of drh up to this point but now find him suspicious
4. I was suspicious of drh before but now i am not.

If you look at the timing of everything he contradicts himself more than once
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:40 GMT
#1276
On January 02 2015 08:38 Vivax wrote:
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On January 02 2015 08:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 08:33 Vivax wrote:
I'm sold, DrH. The 8 hours ago he seemed fine" part was enough for me.

##Vote TheChyz

Yeah? Could you tell me in your own words how it makes Chyz scummy?


Claims he was fine with DrH cause he looked like he was scumhunting, if you look at the posts in question at the time he said that DrH is spewing fluff left and right?

Did you read it?

He refuses to cause he was salty at me earlier. Go read chyz bullshit case on LM and ask yourself why anyone is running with that one right now
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:43 GMT
#1283
If he townreads me why did he later claim he was in fact scumreading me and why would he appeal to the thread about how i am "really scummy". Go read my last post on him this is why i have to repeat myself. Has nothing to do with omgus
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:48 GMT
#1289
Textbook scum tilt
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2015 23:50 GMT
#1292
Why am I wrong? You never explain anything.
RIP Aaliyah
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