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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 17 2014 19:32 GMT
#3861
FF just send it to someone else tell the mod you dont want to open it anymore. At least keep mafia in the dark on who has it. Thats your correct play.
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 17 2014 19:48 GMT
#3862
On December 17 2014 12:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote:
On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 17 2014 11:42 rsoultin wrote:
Lol I guess we're all mafia then, according to GB logic

How do you know the person who gave it to him is even still alive, GB? We've got a lot of dead right now ^^


If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2.
I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel.

Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present.

My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare?


I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3.


And that person is...?

Rsoultin, it's pretty clear who I'm scumreading right now and you can take froggynoddy out of that list.

I may be wrong on SL because he claimed that he sent a present to damdred and maybe, MAYBE mafia preferred to kill damdy instead of roleblocking him night2. I don't really know.

Really, you should read what I wrote. There are some mistypings but you can clearly see my stream of thought. You've been hard defending HF and ignoring my points and trying to discredit me for a long time. I'm ignoring you because you're either scum or donkey town for now.

I think I have just one more post left now. Gonna really try to sleep.


As flattered as I am you've called me scum most of the game. Why are you flip-flopping on every single read?
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 17 2014 19:50 GMT
#3863
On December 17 2014 22:27 rsoultin wrote:
My issue with froggy is he very suddenly became active Day 3. Most active I've seen him. Could easily interpret that to have some sort of special significance...but regardless I doubt he's a good Day 4 lynch unless we just like to gamble lol.

(Also, not really sure that we should be lynching anyone at this point based solely on filter length. Filter length+content I'm good with.)


That's a fair criticism. The answer is rather banal. GF is on the night shift (as is the case tonight) so have more time to read/post. I also felt rather guilty for potentially getting myself mis-lynched due to my inactivity.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 17 2014 19:55 GMT
#3864
So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town.

This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great.

So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town?
'better still, a satisfied man'
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 17 2014 19:58 GMT
#3865
I'm not the best one to answer but because I got a town PM and a present PM in the same game, I presume.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 17 2014 20:02 GMT
#3866
I may or may not have asked to retract my present opening. I don't see why I wont just die anyway but I can at least try to save face!
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 17 2014 20:06 GMT
#3867
On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote:
So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town.

This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great.

So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town?


I called for him to get vig shot because he was playing so scummy so if he died that night it could potentially be a lot of wifom if the vig shot him/the present opening shot him, heck it even made you guys give him another day and argued with me instead of even looking at him. Thus he was likely forced into claiming the present in a 50/50 chance of being right and could "prove" it by being a mm and just rbing the present counter claim. That is why I didn't really want to question his logic (subsequently gb used this to scum read me) because I had the other present and could just outright disprove him if I got a vig shot present and he'd likely be town if I got the role check one.

The fact there was only 2kp yesterday kind of proves that in fact he didn't open it at all and fake claimed otherwise there would be 3-4 kp (2 mafia kp, 1 mm and 1 vig shot). Or he held onto his shot for some reason which I have no idea why because they had to rb obi and would have to have claimed rb'd by medic who could just out to trade at least 1 for 1.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 17 2014 20:08 GMT
#3868
So mafia gave me the present?

Why would mafia give anything but a confirmed death present to town?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 17 2014 20:08 GMT
#3869
Oh I misread that
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 17 2014 20:13 GMT
#3870
On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote:
So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town.

This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great.

So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town?


Thats a really good point mafia likely has both presents. I hate to admit it FF but that present might be a bomb lol
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 17 2014 20:14 GMT
#3871
If veg shot meow then dandred could have been the third kp and death present could still be around.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 17 2014 20:15 GMT
#3872
I want to open the bomb though. Now I'm conflicted
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 17 2014 20:18 GMT
#3873
Just send it to someone else you think is town but wont die. If hf flips town and says thats his present its still safe to open at later dates.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 17 2014 20:19 GMT
#3874
The fact hf isint claiming that present is SUPER WEIRD. I think he knows its a bomb rofl
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 17 2014 20:26 GMT
#3875
On December 18 2014 05:19 sicklucker wrote:
The fact hf isint claiming that present is SUPER WEIRD. I think he knows its a bomb rofl


claiming what present?? how do i know what it is without opening it
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 17 2014 20:29 GMT
#3876
Guys you are completely missunderstanding what I am saying. It makes very little sense for this present to be a bomb. It makes no sense for Ritovky to even have a present as scum (as he has a shot and cannot use two actions I think - need to check the set-up rules).

But what does make sense is that they can safely fake claim opening a vigi present. This must mean (unless they play some sort of risky play as described by HF) that they had control or knowledge of all the presents.

Unless they only have 1 present left and that they knew that it was a bomb would they pass that present to a town FF. That situation just does not make sense as I don't think that the vig presnet has been opened (unless scum worked out from their KP that one of the N1 shots must have been a present?? UNlikely).

Again I think either FF is scum or they are making a really weird attempt of framing FF...
'better still, a satisfied man'
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 17 2014 20:29 GMT
#3877
unless you mean the name of the person in which case it's up to them whether they want to claim not me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 17 2014 20:35 GMT
#3878
the only thing that me claiming the name of the person does it paint a target on their head for being super towny and sending a present to someone that was most likely green checked
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 17 2014 20:36 GMT
#3879
So don't open it? I'm turning my brain off and doing whatever the most people tell me to do
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 17 2014 20:37 GMT
#3880
wifom it and do whatever the hell you like, you can even open it and say you sent it if you want
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