EPTOn December 17 2014 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I received a present and am opening it.
I received a present and am opening it.
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TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 193
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Vivax
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On December 17 2014 18:23 Xatalos wrote: Not that much has changed with ritoky's flip. At least 2 of GB/Oats/Templar are probably scum and then we should look at people like Tube... I've yet to see a good reason for thinking that HF is scum. *Maybe* that vote split argument but it's pretty WIFOM and not based on his own play at all. Any reason for froggy not being an option? He's like the least active of the bunch. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 17 2014 18:39 Vivax wrote: Any reason for froggy not being an option? He's like the least active of the bunch. I'd say he's null at worst. I studied his filter some days ago and left more the impression of newb town than newb scum. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
(Also, not really sure that we should be lynching anyone at this point based solely on filter length. Filter length+content I'm good with.) | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 17 2014 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: I received a present and am opening it. Can't unseen..... | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
We just got through with that and FF goes and does it. Can't even begin... He has a green check, but there is one mafia who can have a green check...and then it gets into extreme!WIFOM. Would mafia really make the same play twice?!?! Would they make it twice solely because no one would think they'd make it twice?!?! So I'm kind of ignoring it for now cause...wtf. Hopefully he gets shot lol so we don't have to revisit. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 17 2014 23:00 rsoultin wrote: Would mafia really make the same play twice?!?! Would they make it twice solely because no one would think they'd make it twice?!?! I hate suggesting meta, but I think part of even attempting to figure this out would also be whether FF is the type of player to "yolo" like this, whether he's a joker who thought this might be funny, or if he normally plays more cautiously. I've never played with him, so I wouldn't know. Does anyone more experienced have any insight? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENT TO WHO? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Knowing that ritoky claimed opening a present that he probably either never had but almost definitely didn't open...we have to default to scum motive. Which was clearly delaying his consideration for lynch. Unless anyone can think of another reason for mafia to do that. The fact that he had an extra ks makes why he claimed the ks present pretty obvious. So. Being one of the last votes on KSC definitely could be interpreted as a way to get town cred. Which doesn't really clear up HFs alignment in and of itself, since he had been scumreading KSC all Day 2, and that was about the only move he could make whether both trains were mafia or not. So, despite bats' mocking, I think we have to look at GB and HF independent of where ritoky decided to vote Day 2. Can anyone make a case against HF? The scummiest stuff I've seen from him is basically how easily he gets derailed into rage!fitting at people for scumreading him lol...which, given that's not productive to town...although he does make some reads independent of rage!fitting, too. I don't think that makes him more scummy than GB, but it is something to consider. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 17 2014 23:18 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENT TO WHO? Also, do not see the importance of this over actually scumhunting, but if that's what you want to focus on, GB, yay for you? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 17 2014 23:18 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENT TO WHO? Does it matter who he gave it to? I don't think he will respond if he's town. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 18 2014 01:40 batsnacks wrote: If HF never had a present in the first place, he might keep quiet about "who he gave it to." Otherwise what's the point of not saying? He could of just fake claimed the present as far we know to keep the mafia guessing who got the present. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present. This leads to two possibilities: 1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely) 2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely) kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead Damdred the Joyful Child is dead Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh. There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot. This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch. This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3. He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore. Do you know why he omitted it? Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner; A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner. I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post). Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched. There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner. This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right. So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum. Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon. I've noted this yesterday, please take a look: + Show Spoiler + Scum hammered KSC because they needed HF to roleblock obi, as they knew obi was the vigi. Mass murderer lost his last shot which means he was useless and holyflare was more important. Search for people who wanted to lynch other people or ended up on ritoky on the last second. People on HF wagon are probably town. Whoever wanted to lynch HF but decided another person was better and tried to push this other vote is most likely mafia. In the votecounts, if you can find people wasting their votes on day1, hammering KSC day2 and voting oats day3, the probability of being mafia is huge. Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments: Slam Tubesock Rsoultin SL (Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling). This is my last post, unfortunately. (I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it) | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On December 18 2014 01:42 LightningStrike wrote: He could of just fake claimed the present as far we know to keep the mafia guessing who got the present. I can think of a better way to keep mafia from guessing who has presents and who doesn't: Not claiming at all. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Also some crazy post that i didn't say a name because i would either get told i didn't send it by the person OR incriminate a team mate??? Doesn't account for fecal receiving it at all you know, the guy with the green check. Then he made a trap but somehow it doesn't apply to me and the people he said it applied to aren't even mafia anymore. The double triple backtrack is so real lynch that fucker seriously. Made cases on all the mafia by now: Templar (see earlier post) Oats (see earlier post) Gb (see earlier post, rsouls post and the amount of fuckery this one guy can display in one game) | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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