EPTOther than that, holyflare and xata are both lame dumbo scum as well as Vivax. There is a reason why nobody is picking up my lynch.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Other than that, holyflare and xata are both lame dumbo scum as well as Vivax. There is a reason why nobody is picking up my lynch. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 16 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont get anyone saying that we shouldnt lynch confirmed mafia. Thats lunacy. Other than that, holyflare and xata are both lame dumbo scum as well as Vivax. There is a reason why nobody is picking up my lynch. I'm sorry, you've already caught up? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
He was smoking weed with the buzzer guy :O | ||
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Tubesock
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
eh mostly. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 16 2014 13:18 Tubesock wrote: It's really difficult to defend Ritoky. My vote will stay on Holyflare though as he's one of my strongest reads (all my conspiracy theories) and at one time there were 5 of my top scum on Ritoky. Sicklucker jumped off, but I am waiting for the rest of them to jump off too when the wagon becomes strong enough without a couple of them. HF is already saying how he goes back on forth. I don't see him staying the course on Ritoky despite being one of the first votes on him. how the fuck does ritoky fail claiming shit not convince you? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On December 16 2014 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: how the fuck does ritoky fail claiming shit not convince you? He can't admit that he is wrong until someone flips in an unexpected way. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
If 5 of your top scum reads are on a guy, what would you do? I'm going to wait and watch. If I'm wrong I'll answer for it. | ||
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Vivax
21768 Posts
On December 16 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont get anyone saying that we shouldnt lynch confirmed mafia. Thats lunacy. Other than that, holyflare and xata are both lame dumbo scum as well as Vivax. There is a reason why nobody is picking up my lynch. This is Oats first contribution since three days, and you really think he has any desire to solve this game? He claims to have caught up but completely ignores my claim. He says I'm scum with Xata and HF when I voted HF over flipped scum D2, and kept posting my concerns on Xatalos and argued about it so much. But we're all scum together?? Like, there's a limit to the insanity a town can show, while this is a case of a scum who doesn't like playing the scum game but pretends he does play the town game. And when Oats has such a bad grasp of the game it's cause he's scum. Vote for this guy. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 16 2014 14:49 Vivax wrote: This is Oats first contribution since three days, and you really think he has any desire to solve this game? He claims to have caught up but completely ignores my claim. He says I'm scum with Xata and HF when I voted HF over flipped scum D2, and kept posting my concerns on Xatalos and argued about it so much. But we're all scum together?? Like, there's a limit to the insanity a town can show, while this is a case of a scum who doesn't like playing the scum game but pretends he does play the town game. And when Oats has such a bad grasp of the game it's cause he's scum. Vote for this guy. Its like 2 days. And I dont know what the heck you are doing now. Stop derailing the ritoky lynch man. And you all dont need to be scum but its pretty fucking likely its at least 2 of you. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
SL pls. Pls. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
- He made several unexplained reads throughout the game (however a few, not all, were explained after he was pressed for reasons, i.e. me and SL) I can see early gut reads, but not later into the game, and not to this extent. + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote: HMMM I see. I may want to lynch damdred after this. Don't ask me why On December 09 2014 12:01 GlowingBear wrote: K gonna sleep SL is town rsoultin is town Bats is scummy I'm going to lynch kush if I don't see his town tell. Good night. On December 10 2014 00:15 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S MEAN. But for some reason, it makes me town read you. On December 10 2014 10:53 GlowingBear wrote: Cool, townslam. I think this game is going to be easy. On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi is mafia, c'mon. Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one? On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote: Bats is town. This game is getting easier. - He delayed or completely failed to make reads most of the game (I don't think anyone can forget how long it took him to make his HF case.) + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm gonna be warned if I keep posting. Ritoky is probably mafia. I'll only post once this night with updates reads. Expect a big post. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote: I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him. His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. - The "recipient" of GBs "present" was being scumread by GB all through Night 1, until apparently he decided that HF must be scum therefore ritoky wasn't, and when questioned afterwards why he would give a "present" to possible scum, he responds that his read was "null" At the time of the gift-giving? I saw no reads from GB on ritoky before the one demanding he be lynched.: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2014 05:52 GlowingBear wrote:  lynch ritoky tomorrowBye On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai. Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote: The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote: It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote: You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. On December 14 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote: Dude, I gave it to someone I thought was null at the time and that I can't properly read, so, if he was town, he would have a power and if he dies, it doesn't matter because it's less one in the game I can't read. I was going to change the target but I couldn't make it until deadline. That's why my vote is wasted. By the way, STOP VOTING TUBESOCK BECAUSE HE IS TOWN - Relentlessly tunnels HF for weak reasons, beginning with the simple observation that HF is still alive after N1. More curiously, the amazing "case"? All points he brought up beforehand. Amazing how long it took him to build it. Also note the weakness of this case. He cites 1) an entrance 2) responding differently to people town/null reading froggynoddy's entrance where it's clear that Vivax is calling his read null and 27nb's response is less clear 3)looking into wasted votes as if doing so automatically means that HF considers those voters scum, and someone town-aligned never would pay attention to the votes outside the train 4)a null-leaning town read on froggynoddy who HF never called scum during the game somehow being contradictory 5) HFs read on GB being contradictory because "spreading falsities" should apparently be in the same camp as doing something "outrageously wrong" and make GB a town read? Additionally we see what appears to be a clear attempt to try to warp Trfel's status as seer to suit GBs anti-HF train. + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2014 08:07 GlowingBear wrote: ALERT!!! ALERT!!! HF ISN'T DEAD NIGHT1 On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote: I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF. What do you think of it? On December 12 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote: Just check timestamps. You were here before. You know about the presents. You didn't push ritoky. You're not pushing him now. Your excuse of just coming to the thread isn't valid. On December 12 2014 10:49 GlowingBear wrote: Oops you're pushing him now. Gonna sleep and see the outcome of it tomorrow. On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote: Slam is town. Holyflare is mafia. Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game. I want to lynch Holyflare today. On December 12 2014 22:02 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you. The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote: I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him. His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote: Lol what kind of info? Lololol Ok, listen: The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now. HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe. His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum. HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time. He is scum. On December 13 2014 06:15 GlowingBear wrote: Yes. And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy. That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else. On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: Just vote HF. He will flip scum. I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. On December 13 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 Entrance His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entrance Froggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. + Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] + This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective: "Gogogo" is completely forced. Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL. Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched. I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense. Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: Why this comes from a mafia See, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote: PART 2 Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agenda A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddy When I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"? His check was obvious not on Kelsier. Hm. On December 15 2014 10:10 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote:Holyflare I'll keep my vote on him until he claims. OBI if you shot HF you're insane. -Calls for mass roleclaims multiple times, recants, then calls for mass roleclaims again. With possibly 2-3 town roles still out there, and no set number of anything, how does this benefit town, and why won't he stop harping about it? + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote: I'm wondering if mass claiming day2 is a good idea. On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote: Who was masoned with kita? Time to claim. On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are out of your minds. I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare. By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote: Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 01:19 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not ignoring it, I'm considering probability. Mafia can do whatever they want to do. But it is likely that they do that? I don't believe so. He obviously received the present because I sent it to him. Unnecessary to claim it as mafia. Also, I know the setup was open on titanic v, but the thing is that a lot of vts died, the probability of we having a lot of power roles alive is high and if we all claim, we will be able to narrow people and discussion. We will narrow our lunch targets a lot. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because it is a better idea to not claim. Masons are confirmed to each other, aren't they? Because if they are, we will have another confirmed town without a power role. Do you understand why claiming masons is okay? On December 15 2014 10:42 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think that's how the mechanic works... Anyway, yes, I was talking about night1 It has been a long day and I'm not thinking properly now. Gonna put thoughts on things tomorrow. I gently ask for anyone who was roleblocked night1 and night2 to claim it. On December 16 2014 02:09 GlowingBear wrote: I don't get why people aren't claiming. I don't fucking care about the shorty JK power. I care to know who is town and who is mafia because all we have to do is lynch them. Why did the mason didn't claim yet? I want to clear names from my head and go against scummy people. This is the most important thing. Yet here we are wasting our time instead of figuring out other people's alignment. - Presents unasked for defense/explanation for “gift-giving” being a purely town-motivated action, going out of his way to clear SL when SL was not being scumread/under fire. This one is simply a bit "why" for me. What with their duo, I can only think that a scum!GB has pocketed a town!SL and is trying to be read as town by association: Damdred(town)-SL-GB-ritoky??? Or, scum!GB is trying to protect scum!SL by giving him a WIFOM "confirmation". + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1 Therefore, SL is town - Throws a fit EoD2 when demands to vote HF and trust him fail, and piecemeal case is generally rejected. I included this mostly because people seemed to think this was a sign of being town. Unless bullying and yelling at people is a town trait, I don't really get it...Occasionally could be considered a joke, but this was completely over the top imo. + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2014 04:57 GlowingBear wrote: Obi, trust me. Vote for holyflare. Trust me please. On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote: I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HF AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously. READ MY CASE. VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote: You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW. On December 14 2014 06:12 GlowingBear wrote: DO YOU NEED ME TO LINK MY CASE AGAIN? BECAUSE I CAN AND I NEED YOU TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY OMG GLOWINGBEAR GENIUS WHARRGARBL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote: REALLY RITOKY? I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? On December 14 2014 06:25 GlowingBear wrote: his case is just a little bit after mine, dude, lol. I read it but I'm too heated now. I'll getting out of the thread for a while. Please, all of you, read my case and give thoughts (and mostly, vote HF) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 On December 14 2014 06:46 GlowingBear wrote: Get back to HF, ff. - Doesn’t want vig to shoot top scum read and refuses to explain why until Day 3, claiming HF could have been town/vet when he hasn’t townread him the entire game since early Day 1. His vet story is particularly strange. Worried the vig might waste a bullet? Wouldn't that be a possibility regardless of who the vig shot? If GB thinks HF is scum, he should want him dead to confirm, and GB never admits to thinking HF isn't scum. + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote: 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote: No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote: I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote: Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote: Where did froggy agreed with my case? I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because: 1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot 2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots. - Weird froggynoddy association flip comment, suggesting that if froggynoddy flips HF is scum. Does he really buy the froggynoddy nonsense he's spouting in his case? Or...could it be that this is a buss intended to add credence to his not-so-shiny case? + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2014 06:22 GlowingBear wrote: No he didn't Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills. I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills. Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy. By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target. - Finally...yes, there is an end!...The weird reads on me. Note how he first links me to HFs alignment, then quickly backs down to a null read, then a town read. Suspiciously, this looks like a nod to general thread sentiment. + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner. Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. On December 16 2014 02:28 GlowingBear wrote: I was reading slam as town but I'm not sure anymore though. I don't know what I make of rsoultin. Templar fits the lurking mafia Obi dying and not shooting is weird. It's hard to believe mafia nailed his alignment, roleblocked and killed him. But it seems he was roleblocked which means ritoky could be saved by nigella. Which again makes no sense. Argh. Froggynoddy is worthless in this game So is oats, who townread Vivax day1 after a long quarrel but keeps his vote on his townread HTS looks bad because it doesn't look like she is trying. Same to Tubesock. It makes no sense, however, that Templar is scum with Tubesock. His pushes on Tubesock are timid. I can see Templar very well being mafia. On December 16 2014 10:32 GlowingBear wrote: By tunnelling you, I've made rsoultin mafia by association. But looking at his filter and other dead people I feel like he is most likely town, although he has this weird things I'm pointing out. Please feel free to comment/ask questions. Like, why would mafia!ritoky successfully lynch mafia!ksc instead of HF? Well, if HF is town (and I have yet to see real evidence that he isn't), mafia!GB cannot afford to have HF flip. (No vig shot lololol) It really is that simple. If they can string this along to LYLO, they will. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 16 2014 10:24 ritoky wrote: 1. It was large enough to almost lynch someone who you think was town....and you think it is from a mafia agenda....like the fact that you're not going out of your way to massively discredit it only proves that you're not pushing your read on GB in particular. 2. Link them, make the case on GB, why are you threatening to give reads instead of actually giving them? 3. WHY ARE YOU NULL READING SOMEONE WHO HAMMERS SCUM INSTEAD OF SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN? 4. Your new read is also based on meta, you say he is not as paranoid as last time and then link a game. Then you're going to not continue speaking or make your case....how is this town at all? Also, ritoky, to answer your screaming... 1. Most all of the comments made about his case above were also made (by me) about his case before. Several people didn't buy the case. The biggest problem on Day 2 was getting everyone to agree on the same alternative lynch. You will see me all through GBs filter, and him complaining about me riding him. Your point is invalid. 2. You can see me all through GBs filter (in several of the nested quotes in the case above) and I don't feel the need to satisfy you with a post dozens of links long. Those reading the thread know who my two main pushes were and are. 3. Again you choose to ignore what I already said. Xata is not a null read for me. I'm just not as sure (nearly 100% Day 2) that he is town. I am paranoid by nature, and this game encourages it more -shrugs- 4. No, he is not as paranoid as last time. However my main concern with him is the present fixation. Particularly since they're trying to pass the giving of a present as something exclusively townie, in that light he seems more interested in survival than finding scum. Which anyone would agree is a scum trait. However, I am on the fence about him. For the moment. Obviously I never had any intention of not returning to the thread. I simply wasn't going to get pulled in to a sniping match with you. But now, to bed. Toodles. | ||
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Vivax
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Holyflare (4): liancourt, ritoky (10): Tubesock (0): froggynoddy (0): GlowingBear (0): Currently ritoky is set to be lynched. 12h42m until deadline. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
NOTHING is notified unless it absolutely has to (cop check results come to mind), or if it specifically has a rule that is will be notified (Scrooge is notified he has been visited by ghosts or marley, Disgruntled Christmas Worker is notified if he correctly guessed santa). Everything else. Saves, shots, roleblocks, is never notified. I will never tell someone his shot failed, it should be clear enough if the target isn't dead. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.) Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote: ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low. I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.) Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time? rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch? | ||
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