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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 16 2014 13:15 GMT
#3581
On December 16 2014 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote:
ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low.

I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.)

Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time?

rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch?

I mean the After today's lynch in case you didn't read it right because my wording of it was bad.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 16 2014 13:20 GMT
#3582
Lightning, I'm in the middle of crosschecking Rasputin's case, I don't think I'll finish before my lunch ends, but I'm about halfway though, and it's looking good so far. I don't fully understand #3, but that's my problem, so I'll need to return to that one, but it's honestly a good case through the halfway point.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 16 2014 13:22 GMT
#3583
I don't want to lynch ritoky today and maybe not holyflare.

Who's up for another target?
I'm adorable.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 16 2014 13:37 GMT
#3584
On December 16 2014 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch ritoky today and maybe not holyflare.

Who's up for another target?

Are you serious?
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 13:37 GMT
#3585
Care to comment on any of the points on my case on you GB? If not ritoky, I will be voting you as it stands, for the reasons mentioned in the case.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 16 2014 13:41 GMT
#3586
On December 16 2014 22:37 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch ritoky today and maybe not holyflare.

Who's up for another target?

Are you serious?


Yes. Let's do it?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 16 2014 13:42 GMT
#3587
On December 16 2014 22:37 rsoultin wrote:
Care to comment on any of the points on my case on you GB? If not ritoky, I will be voting you as it stands, for the reasons mentioned in the case.


I haven't read it because, as I know I'm town, any points brought against me are automatically wrong.

Anyway, is there something in there you think an explanation would be good?
I'm adorable.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 16 2014 13:43 GMT
#3588
On December 16 2014 22:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:37 The_Templar wrote:
On December 16 2014 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch ritoky today and maybe not holyflare.

Who's up for another target?

Are you serious?


Yes. Let's do it?

Mind explaining why you want to move off a confirmed mafia and your top scum read?
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 16 2014 13:45 GMT
#3589
On December 16 2014 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote:
ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low.

I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.)

Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time?

rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch?


Read the post you quoted or my earlier post (TLDR: agreed).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 16 2014 13:46 GMT
#3590
On December 16 2014 22:37 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch ritoky today and maybe not holyflare.

Who's up for another target?

Are you serious?


.... What's this supposed to mean GB?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 16 2014 13:50 GMT
#3591
On December 16 2014 22:45 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote:
ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low.

I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.)

Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time?

rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch?


Read the post you quoted or my earlier post (TLDR: agreed).

I didn't read it carefully on your post T_T
I think the case is very solid from rsoultin and if ritoky doesn't get lynched today(unlikely) I would go for GB or Tubesock but more on GB since the GB case is much better than my stuff for Tubesock.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 13:53 GMT
#3592
On December 16 2014 22:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 22:37 rsoultin wrote:
Care to comment on any of the points on my case on you GB? If not ritoky, I will be voting you as it stands, for the reasons mentioned in the case.


I haven't read it because, as I know I'm town, any points brought against me are automatically wrong.

Anyway, is there something in there you think an explanation would be good?


I find your move here interesting. You may wish to take a look at the very last small paragraph in my case, as to why I think it's funny that you don't want to pursue a lynch against either ritoky or HF right now.

If you can't be bothered to read it and clarify your behavior this game, that's up to you. Most of the points I have questioned you about before, with a few exceptions here and there and a few quotes that hadn't stood out to me when you initially said them.

ritoky very clearly stepped in it. He is trying to explain that away now. He was not and never could have been notified of his action being interfered with, his pre-emptive claim was never very townie (something oddly enough that you mentioned multiple times before inexplicably changing your tunnel to HF for a gut feeling), so why not vote him? He seems to be the clear choice for lynch here. Even if he is telling the truth about having never taken a shot, why not just say so? It still wouldn't have looked good, but then at least he wouldn't be in the position of trying to get people to trust an admitted liar.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
December 16 2014 14:19 GMT
#3593
Ritoky is a policy lynch, nothing more, so stop disguising it as a lynch for scumminess. There's neither a special scum nor town motivation in what he did. As scum he could've claimed to not have shot without repercussions, as town he should have claimed to not have shot. What I see as a point against his lynch is the vote on Kelsier which had real impact on the lynch (as long as HF isn't scum at least)

For me, Oats is more obvious scum than him. So that's where I'm placing my vote.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 14:28 GMT
#3594
On December 16 2014 23:19 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky is a policy lynch, nothing more, so stop disguising it as a lynch for scumminess. There's neither a special scum nor town motivation in what he did. As scum he could've claimed to not have shot without repercussions, as town he should have claimed to not have shot. What I see as a point against his lynch is the vote on Kelsier which had real impact on the lynch (as long as HF isn't scum at least)

For me, Oats is more obvious scum than him. So that's where I'm placing my vote.


Riddle me this. If HF is revealed as town, what happens? Just hypothetically. And what is the town motivation for lying? A townie might conceal his own role, perhaps, but lying about taking a shot and being roleblocked. What is the town motivation for that? What is the town motivation for throwing out a name of someone who has been shot at?

So what about Oats is obvious scum then, Vivax? I remember you going balls to the wall on Xata earlier, but it seems that the case against Oats is...he hasn't posted much? Is that not a "policy lynch"? Please enlighten us.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 14:48 GMT
#3595
No one wants to answer me today.

Fine and fair enough. If you guys have alternatives to ritoky/GB, you should present your cases and explain why you want to lynch these people beyond "they're scum". -shrugs- And why they're better lynches than ritoky in particular.

I'll drop in to read. If you've seen things I haven't and there's a eureka moment I'm willing to change my vote, but as it stands...no one is bringing forth convincing alternatives at present.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 16 2014 15:07 GMT
#3596
Its soooo stupid, why are people giving rikoty a pass cause he sucks?
Come on guys.

Play smart.

GB case is ok, revist tmr.
No gg, No skill.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 16 2014 15:09 GMT
#3597
ritoky and GB are the best cases but after them I suggest Tubesock as I presented a small but I think weak case on him in my opinion.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 16 2014 15:21 GMT
#3598
Hi. I've solved the night kills. I still have to solve who are the scum players.

Hint: vigi shot Lone Meow
I'm adorable.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 16 2014 15:23 GMT
#3599
On December 17 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi. I've solved the night kills. I still have to solve who are the scum players.

Hint: vigi shot Lone Meow

TMI or lucky guess?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 16 2014 15:25 GMT
#3600
On December 17 2014 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi. I've solved the night kills. I still have to solve who are the scum players.

Hint: vigi shot Lone Meow

TMI or lucky guess?


HAHAHA

Simple logic is the answer.

Who are you voting?

Beware: I'm completely flipping my reads.
I'm adorable.
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