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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2014 07:25 GMT
#73
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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 04:50 GMT
#118
seckund
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 05:45 GMT
#135
On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is.


does it come with a side of fries?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:17 GMT
#148
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.


On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is.


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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:22 GMT
#152
On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.


On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is.


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Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem?


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:26 GMT
#155
On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.


On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is.


[image loading]

Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem?


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you mafia ritoky?


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:36 GMT
#158
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.


On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is.


[image loading]

Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem?


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you mafia ritoky?


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:37 GMT
#160
On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.

What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture?
I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about.
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
Not really.
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town.
"Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.


nvm i rescind on VE this seems like an overreaction
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:49 GMT
#164
On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.


On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is.


[image loading]

Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem?


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you mafia ritoky?


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky?


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:52 GMT
#172
On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

[image loading]

Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem?


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you mafia ritoky?


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky?


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.

Why do you say I overreacted?


On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.

What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture?
I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about.
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
Not really.
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town.
"Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.


bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:54 GMT
#177
On November 20 2014 15:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

[image loading]

Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem?


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you mafia ritoky?


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky?


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.

Good deal. Now that that's cleared up what do YOU think of Chez and fecal?


no opinion as of now, they just posted a bunch of pictures. maybe fecal is a bit melodramatic, but that's really it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 06:56 GMT
#180
On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:
[quote]

well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you mafia ritoky?


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky?


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.

Why do you say I overreacted?


On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.

What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture?
I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
Not really.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town.
"Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.


bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide.

He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it.


then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 07:22 GMT
#192
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 07:28 GMT
#195
On November 20 2014 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

[image loading]

This was clearly not MSPaint


surprised by you VE, usually you all over people when they use vague and non-descript words. why you not on rayn for saying HF weird?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 07:30 GMT
#198
On November 20 2014 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:
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On November 20 2014 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I will literally vote no one else today. And if he DOESN'T get lynched, then I'm fucking killing him in the night unless I'm roleblocked. Get fucking rekt.


Only mafia would shoot me in the night. This is the second super jump on whatever you can and think you're obnoxiously right that you've done in 2 hours though which is pretty scummy

VE most commonly claims Vig.


slam most commonly claims HJOLE
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 09:22 GMT
#238
On November 20 2014 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 20 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
that post is a good post rayn

If you mean templar's post no it's not.


but he described someone as weird, so you should like him right? RIGHT?

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 09:25 GMT
#245
On November 20 2014 18:22 liancourt wrote:
someone gimme a summary on whats happened so far


VE had fisticuffs with everyone he came across it looked similar to this:

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 09:28 GMT
#249
On November 20 2014 18:28 Holyflare wrote:
so liancourt you haven't read anything and want a summary but you are voting me?


he claimed mafia, so why wouldn't he?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 09:32 GMT
#255
On November 20 2014 16:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 15:56 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:
[quote]

you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky?


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.

Why do you say I overreacted?


On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.

What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture?
I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
Not really.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town.
"Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.


bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide.

He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it.


then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive?

that falls in the OMGUS VE category.


forgot about this post cuz i got into a league game, but if this dude is town, then why does he care if he appears to be OMGUSing VE? if he has a scum read on VE then he has one and should push it. dun like.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 20 2014 09:35 GMT
#259
On November 20 2014 18:33 liancourt wrote:
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dat color scheme doe
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 09:40 GMT
#270
On November 20 2014 18:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
IT IS scummy to be absolute on things you SHOULDN'T be absolute on! "oh hf is DEFINITELY mafia" is ONLY pushing a mafia agenda because you have absolutely 0 reasons for it and i'm town so it's not some crazy next level tactic you are doing because it's ONLY shitting up the thread with a useless vote with no reasoning or pressure. There is literally 0 things to get out of your "tactic" on me. YOU should know that pressuring me is absolutely redundant because I know how to play so the only thing you will gain out of it is me thinking you are scummy. So here we are.

It's not a "tactic" on you. You're DEAD tonight. Unless mafia Roleblock me. This isn't a tactic. Or rather it is, but not the "representing certainty" tactic I was using with Hopeless. You misunderstand. I'm killing you to hedge my bets. I think you're mafia, and if we don't lynch you then I'm shooting you just in case you are mafia. Because I can't trust anything you say ever. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear earlier sir, I wasn't using any kind of tactic "ON" you, I was representing certainty ABOUT you so that town is more likely to lynch you.


So you are fabricating in-game stuff to support your OGI feelings? Seems like a pretty dumpster mindset. And you said I was salty over last game.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 20 2014 09:41 GMT
#272
i like rayn, he is my only town read right now.
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 09:44 GMT
#275
On November 20 2014 18:43 Holyflare wrote:
There's a real possibility (and it's quite high) that ritoky is mafia by the way.


you're wrong
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 09:51 GMT
#282
On November 20 2014 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
You're so very passive and meagerly pointing out "things", you also say rayn is your town read right now but the only thing you've even commented on in regards to rayn is:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

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You're also calling out VE for fabricating things but rayn is defending VE's mindset so that read is not congruent with what you've been saying. You also seem extremely flippant in regards to the VE/hopeless interaction earlier.

You're just not ritokyish.





I am meish because I am me.

rayn said you're weird. it's true, you're weird. why? cuz you're not angry at all. a couple posts ago you seemed slightly agitated. but the super town HF calls people bad and idiots and tells everyone to sheep him and claims god tier. you're muted, so you're weird.

but that said, rayn's subsequent post responding to my criticism and detailing who is town is the stuff i can put in my coffee in the morning.

as for me being me, i find like find odd and disjointed interactions day 1 and finding scum that way, you saw me behind the scenes last game. hence why i don't like hopeless. that read should not surprise you in the slightest.
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 09:52 GMT
#286
find like find, top quality english by me.
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 09:55 GMT
#289
On November 20 2014 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i'm muted in the slightest rofl


you've only insulted 1 person so far, that's muted for you.
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 10:03 GMT
#299
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
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really wtf is with the votes

Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad?


stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions?

There is no reason to vote hope

the votes are bad

same thing

LOL

What was the point of your question mafia?

i change my vote

templar is mafai


why is there no reason to vote hopeless? do you not like my or VE's read on him?
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 10:13 GMT
#310
On November 20 2014 19:10 liancourt wrote:
i am hard defending hopeless who looks scummy as fuck

does this make me mafia?



i thought there was no reason to vote hopeless, now he looks scummy as fuck?

i already want to lynch you cuz you claimed mafia, you're making me think that desire isn't unfounded.

and if you think i can't find mafia day 1 thru analysis, you have a very short memory. and maybe even mammary.
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 10:17 GMT
#313
On November 20 2014 19:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:51 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
You're so very passive and meagerly pointing out "things", you also say rayn is your town read right now but the only thing you've even commented on in regards to rayn is:

On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

[image loading]


You're also calling out VE for fabricating things but rayn is defending VE's mindset so that read is not congruent with what you've been saying. You also seem extremely flippant in regards to the VE/hopeless interaction earlier.

You're just not ritokyish.





I am meish because I am me.

rayn said you're weird. it's true, you're weird. why? cuz you're not angry at all. a couple posts ago you seemed slightly agitated. but the super town HF calls people bad and idiots and tells everyone to sheep him and claims god tier. you're muted, so you're weird.

but that said, rayn's subsequent post responding to my criticism and detailing who is town is the stuff i can put in my coffee in the morning.

as for me being me, i find like find odd and disjointed interactions day 1 and finding scum that way, you saw me behind the scenes last game. hence why i don't like hopeless. that read should not surprise you in the slightest.


rayn said I was weird after 1 post so this doesn't make sense in the slightest

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.

ritoky i am the king of vague statements.


this was also his only response to your criticism and details absolutely nothing so it's weird that the person who has said almost nothing whatsoever is your town read, especially when you pick and choose some of his posts to fit into a later timeline


my read of weirdness came later, already told you why. i also find it weird that almost immediately after i said my read your salt level increased. deciding whether i feel it was forced or not.

yup, it is a good response to my criticism, i approve of it. it is a response i would make, and i am town.
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ritoky
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November 20 2014 10:22 GMT
#314
On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?


your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours.

your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 20 2014 10:28 GMT
#318
On November 20 2014 19:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?


your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours.

your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings.

I don't even know what you just said here. Which read are you even referring to? My read of Holyflare? So you think Holyflare is town then I guess? Cool. I disagree.

I don't have to think you're the same alignment because you're different players and Holyflare is a MUCH better player than you are. No offense intended.


I am saying that your initial holyflare is scum read was:
VE thinks hopeless is scum for early posts and reactions.
HF thinks hopeless is scum only for the reactions.
VE thinks HF is scummy for that.

I had literally the exact same process and even argued it with you, but you didn't apply the scum read to me. I am saying that you're not applying your criteria for someone being scum evenly, which is suspect.

capital much is a bit much, i will accept lower-case much.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 20 2014 10:53 GMT
#335
[image loading]

you're the special kind aren't you?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 23:05 GMT
#569
don't like:

lian - claimed mafia, being an unproductive dick. play the game or die. some people said "him being a dick means he is town"; i think that is garbage, i have been a giant dick before as mafia and so have many others. he is clearly reading the thread and refusing to provide content, can't get much worse than that d1. OH WAIT, he claimed mafia with his first post.

hopeless - shit reactions to pressure, overly defensive, made one post recently that was okay; but i don't let go of things very easily, so his shitty reaction sticks with me

fecalfeast - you my friend, were the first person to suggest lynching lurkers! congratulations, welcome to the only policy i have. the person who first suggests lynching lurkers is mafia 86% of the time.

don't understand:

chezinu - why is anyone town reading this guy? like people are hard defending him...and i don't even understand how they got a leaning town on him to begin with.

sicklucker - don't really understand your read on me in the slightest, i spent the early game fighting with VE; i don't feel like a propagator of peace

damdred - weak reads by his standards, fairly passive by his standards, has very narrow focus. not really sure what the hell he is doing right now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 20 2014 23:19 GMT
#573
On November 21 2014 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm just going to throw it out there that I didn't say we should lynch the lurkers, I said I wanted to look at them. Which means I want them to post.


why are you so concerned about a policy read?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 21 2014 10:36 GMT
#623
On November 21 2014 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
god you guys haven't done much since i left


man's gotta work y'kno?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 21 2014 10:40 GMT
#624
saw holyfart talk about sicklucker, decided to read his filter, started; then i found this:

On November 21 2014 04:17 sicklucker wrote:
I kinda wanna mislynch you again to ff ^_^. I got some time to contribute rereading the thread.
ritoky is town. Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee.



scumslip much? how you know that ff is town BRO?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 21 2014 10:50 GMT
#625
also i find both gb and damdred underwhelming today, both have had narrow focuses and shallow reads.

damdred also not following through on his questioning or really pushing for answers which be strange yo!

that said though, lian is literally figuratively giving me cancer with his posts.
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:11 GMT
#874
On November 22 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly

He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said.
He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless.

Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read
The_Templar: --
KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null
liancourtyboy: Not playing the game
Hopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people.
rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him
VE: Scum as explained earlier
Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say.
sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideas
GB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea.
Chezinu: Lurker
Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better.
ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted
Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him


this doesn't seem like a reads post a mafia about to be lynched would make. although i find it weird that templar has sheeped almost word for word a couple things i have said and responded directly to some of my posts yet doesn't know i exist.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 21 2014 23:18 GMT
#886
i am interested in

lian - not playing, claimed mafia, being a counter-productive dick

hopeless - response to being scum read early? vote lian and go invisible. most of his posts are pure defense and 0 scumhunting

damdred - i remember he said to me he isn't good @ d1 before, but he seems way too concerned with not making waves. feel like he is hiding something.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 21 2014 23:24 GMT
#900
On November 22 2014 08:21 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:
On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly

He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said.
He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless.

Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read
The_Templar: --
KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null
liancourtyboy: Not playing the game
Hopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people.
rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him
VE: Scum as explained earlier
Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say.
sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideas
GB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea.
Chezinu: Lurker
Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better.
ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted
Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him


this doesn't seem like a reads post a mafia about to be lynched would make. although i find it weird that templar has sheeped almost word for word a couple things i have said and responded directly to some of my posts yet doesn't know i exist.

I have no idea what you're talking about.


Examples:

you responding directly to me:

On November 21 2014 08:05 ritoky wrote:
don't like:

lian - claimed mafia, being an unproductive dick. play the game or die. some people said "him being a dick means he is town"; i think that is garbage, i have been a giant dick before as mafia and so have many others. he is clearly reading the thread and refusing to provide content, can't get much worse than that d1. OH WAIT, he claimed mafia with his first post.

hopeless - shit reactions to pressure, overly defensive, made one post recently that was okay; but i don't let go of things very easily, so his shitty reaction sticks with me

fecalfeast - you my friend, were the first person to suggest lynching lurkers! congratulations, welcome to the only policy i have. the person who first suggests lynching lurkers is mafia 86% of the time.

don't understand:

chezinu - why is anyone town reading this guy? like people are hard defending him...and i don't even understand how they got a leaning town on him to begin with.

sicklucker - don't really understand your read on me in the slightest, i spent the early game fighting with VE; i don't feel like a propagator of peace

damdred - weak reads by his standards, fairly passive by his standards, has very narrow focus. not really sure what the hell he is doing right now.

I'm going to look into the bolded ones first, probably followed by sicklucker.[/QUOTE]

and your lian read is pretty much word for word my lian read, so uhhhh yeah udun?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 21 2014 23:25 GMT
#901
fixed quote:

On November 21 2014 08:07 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 08:05 ritoky wrote:
don't like:

lian - claimed mafia, being an unproductive dick. play the game or die. some people said "him being a dick means he is town"; i think that is garbage, i have been a giant dick before as mafia and so have many others. he is clearly reading the thread and refusing to provide content, can't get much worse than that d1. OH WAIT, he claimed mafia with his first post.

hopeless - shit reactions to pressure, overly defensive, made one post recently that was okay; but i don't let go of things very easily, so his shitty reaction sticks with me

fecalfeast - you my friend, were the first person to suggest lynching lurkers! congratulations, welcome to the only policy i have. the person who first suggests lynching lurkers is mafia 86% of the time.

don't understand:

chezinu - why is anyone town reading this guy? like people are hard defending him...and i don't even understand how they got a leaning town on him to begin with.

sicklucker - don't really understand your read on me in the slightest, i spent the early game fighting with VE; i don't feel like a propagator of peace

damdred - weak reads by his standards, fairly passive by his standards, has very narrow focus. not really sure what the hell he is doing right now.

I'm going to look into the bolded ones first, probably followed by sicklucker.
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:26 GMT
#903
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:28 GMT
#905
On November 22 2014 08:26 sicklucker wrote:
Glowing bear why do you want to kill towns. Ve now me I feel like im confirmed


you're confirmed day 1 town? only me and HF have ever achieved that status

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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:30 GMT
#909
On November 22 2014 08:27 sicklucker wrote:
ritoky thats a horrible reason. Everyone has given the same read on liam because its TRUE


horrible reason for what? i am not scum reading the guy for it. i just think it's odd he directly responds to me, gets portions of his reads from my post, and then claims i don't exist.

i gave it first suckafoos, so you all my sheep.
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:34 GMT
#915
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:40 GMT
#918
On November 22 2014 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbears reason for voting me over his top scum (ve) is because he wants to get out a lurker. Ive had a slow start im not gonna make excuses but feel free to look at my filter in my other on going game. Im not a lurker I post ALOT probably too much.


i disagree with this as a summary of his reasoning, he is saying:

- your posts don't seem to be actively trying to determine people's alignments or solve the game, they are mostly posts for the sake of posting and summary/response to stuff others are doing.
- you noob claimed multiple times

my additional one is:
- potential scum slip when you said mislynch when talking about ff

but you have that sick ritoky is town jesus read, sooooooooooooooo
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:48 GMT
#925
On November 22 2014 08:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
do you make minor spelling and grammar errors on purpose licksucker? I think that's 90% of the reason your posts infuriate me


are you allergic to reads? if not give some.
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:50 GMT
#927
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.


you don't think anything of HF leaving his vote on a town read all phase instead of using it to pressure people and indicate who he wants to lynch?
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:51 GMT
#929
On November 22 2014 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
No I have a broken keyboard so im using on screen keyboard. God ritoky why do you have quoes in quotes on everyone of your posts its making it hard to post shit


don't you wish your girlfriend had swag like me?
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ritoky
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November 21 2014 23:58 GMT
#945
On November 22 2014 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm allergic to reading, not reads.

scummy
lian
sicklucker
rayn


null/scum
VE
ritoky
hf
slam

null/town
templar

town
gb
damdred

i missed people and I'm okay with that


explain the damdred read please and ty
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 00:27 GMT
#990
On November 22 2014 09:24 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:23 The_Templar wrote:
Why the hell would you go, "Whoops, I missed most of day 1" and then go play Dota? Seriously?


5 stack of buddies on the weekend after turnin in a paper? I feel a mini celebration is in order


could you celebrate by giving reads and giving me a reason to not vote on you? thx.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 00:33 GMT
#995
On November 22 2014 09:31 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:24 KillerSOS wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:23 The_Templar wrote:
Why the hell would you go, "Whoops, I missed most of day 1" and then go play Dota? Seriously?


5 stack of buddies on the weekend after turnin in a paper? I feel a mini celebration is in order


could you celebrate by giving reads and giving me a reason to not vote on you? thx.


lol my mistake for sharing, and I did state I was working on appeal before dota, but hey


that's cool. but it's not reads. reads plz.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 02:03 GMT
#1035
On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?

mine is:

killer
lian
ve
chez
damred


why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point?
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 02:11 GMT
#1042
On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool

Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs

But why hopeless over killersos


because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing

On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together.


Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE.

Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable.

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?

mine is:

killer
lian
ve
chez
damred


why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point?

good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too

Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content.


1) because it is your read, you think he is scum, and the point of town is to lynch scum? why isn't it your responsibility to pursue your top scum read? do you not want to lynch scum?

2) your chez read is a pile of shit and you know it. the guy has posted 0 words in the thread, has no reads, and hasn't posted in 36 hrs; yet you deem him more town and more useful and town than an antagonistic asshole, VE who has the 2nd largest filter, and killer who idk wtf he is doing. like it is a dumpster tier read. the metrics by which you put killer as your top scum read apply to chez the same.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 02:13 GMT
#1043
i swear to jesus, i have a problem with redundancy
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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November 22 2014 02:15 GMT
#1046
On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?

I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C

Please answer promptly ritoky.


nope, no idea who that is
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 02:25 GMT
#1055
On November 22 2014 11:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?

I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C

Please answer promptly ritoky.


nope, no idea who that is

...

Chezinu...

Anyway so Chezinu does as he does. He plays according to the House of Brown. He is the founder, I visit on occasion.

He sees VERY clearly with the eyes of CHUPAZI, my own vision is about 20:20 left eye, 20:32 right eye. However Chezinu sees with a clarity unsurpassed at 20:10 both eyes.

As scum he is to be feared. He will snipe every blue and guide the RB, allowing the blues to live just long enough that they do not realize they are compromised.

As town he is indecipherable to the scum, suddenly he knows your alignment and you do not know how, but he simply KNOWS. I fear him more when I roll scum than just about anyone on the site.

He is not to be lost Day1.


that's cool that you believe that from past experience with him, i don't. you were in the last game when we had a bunch of afks and non-posters ride deep into the game, and you saw the results. sorry if he is your chupazi brother but unless he starts posting stuff i can read he is of no benefit to the town imo.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 02:30 GMT
#1061
On November 22 2014 11:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool

Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs

But why hopeless over killersos


because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing

On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together.


Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE.

Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable.

On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?

mine is:

killer
lian
ve
chez
damred


why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point?

good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too

Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content.


1) because it is your read, you think he is scum, and the point of town is to lynch scum? why isn't it your responsibility to pursue your top scum read? do you not want to lynch scum?

2) your chez read is a pile of shit and you know it. the guy has posted 0 words in the thread, has no reads, and hasn't posted in 36 hrs; yet you deem him more town and more useful and town than an antagonistic asshole, VE who has the 2nd largest filter, and killer who idk wtf he is doing. like it is a dumpster tier read. the metrics by which you put killer as your top scum read apply to chez the same.

Chez literally has not posted words in thread, including pregame. The metrics for scumreading killer are far more conclusive/definable than the ones for scumreading chez.


your first post on why you voted killer was because he was a lurker as is seen here:

On November 22 2014 09:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list

Q.
Is liancourt a "lurker"?

yes but nothing like KSOS

hence my vote. I still gravely dislike liancourt.


the rest of your justification has come after the fact, as if you are trying to further rationalize a vote. however, if your primary purpose for voting him was he was a lurker, then chez should have been #1 or #2 with him, and he wasn't. hence why it is a dumpster read.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 02:36 GMT
#1066
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 09:52 GMT
#1227
On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?

Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal?


did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page.

hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 10:08 GMT
#1234
On November 22 2014 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is fucking town for the sole fact he claimed vigilante.
Regardless of if he is in fact a vig or not makes him town because as mafia he would not fakeclaim as the real possible vigi would possibly shoot him only for the claim.

That's like the easiest read in this game. So everyone stop calling him mafia already ffs.


who is calling VE mafia? i think the only person in the game who is calling VE mafia is GB, and that guy is like 95% mafia
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 10:13 GMT
#1239
On November 22 2014 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 19:08 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is fucking town for the sole fact he claimed vigilante.
Regardless of if he is in fact a vig or not makes him town because as mafia he would not fakeclaim as the real possible vigi would possibly shoot him only for the claim.

That's like the easiest read in this game. So everyone stop calling him mafia already ffs.


who is calling VE mafia? i think the only person in the game who is calling VE mafia is GB, and that guy is like 95% mafia

Holyflare just said "no townread on ve any more, in fact he even looks bad".
...when ve is the most obvious town in this game.


VE isn't the most obvious town in the game, i am town jesus.

and there's a difference between not town reading someone and calling them mafia. stop mischaracterizing a read
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 10:18 GMT
#1241
On November 22 2014 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't matter if it wifom or not because when you do that as mafia you cannot know if people take that as a joke or not. Same as claiming scum. Scum usually don't joke about claiming scum because if they do it can hit you back into the face. There is no point to do that!!!

Like idgaf how dumb you think that is but it's still true.

no your logic is bad

as town you cannot know whether people take it as a joke or not and you might get shot (why would a town want to get shot??)

as mafia you cannot know whether people take it as a joke or not and you might get shot (why would a mafia want to get shot??)

the more likely explanation being that as either alignment nobody takes it seriously and there is a 0% chance that he'd get shot for it


can you stop arguing about stupid wifom policy crap?
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 10:20 GMT
#1243
On November 22 2014 19:19 Holyflare wrote:
why? not like i have limited time today


because it's just you calling rayn bad for the reason he has a read, which pisses him off and rather than actually care about content he just cares about being pissed at you and nothing comes of it other than a pissing match.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 22:31 GMT
#1473
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 22:37 GMT
#1475
On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.

He made a good case on SL


where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue.

i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.
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ritoky
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November 22 2014 23:03 GMT
#1479
On November 23 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Why do you want to lynch only GB and by a mile?

I do take offense at that I brought legitamate things forward rit.

Also templar why you defend me in one post and berate me in another ;;


not saying you haven't, am saying i don't remember them, most of what i remember from you is small questions with 0 follow-up from early on and then a bunch of defense. also your filter is shorter than mine, which is bizarre.

he had a scum read on someone, detailed the length to which he agreed with the scum read on one of his top town reads (or at least someone he was talking to like he read as town in HF) and for no good reason decided to vote on a null read. when asked to justify he acts like it never happened and he didn't just lynch a blue. then he pursues the same line of thought and same mindset/reads that just led him to lynch a blue. and suddenly he wants to lynch hopeless again???? you just had the opportunity and decided to pass up on it for no fucking reason at all other than "lol dis gai afk" he needs to die IMMEDIATELY.
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ritoky
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November 23 2014 01:36 GMT
#1484
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.
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ritoky
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November 23 2014 01:36 GMT
#1485
On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.

He made a good case on SL


where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue.

i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141


i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.
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ritoky
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November 23 2014 02:03 GMT
#1488
On November 23 2014 10:43 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.

He made a good case on SL


where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue.

i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141


i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.

What do you dislike about it?


it completely neglects his most recent reads post; he just says this read sounds made up in one sentence, and then moves on. also he claims that SL backs down or folds under pressure, which to me would mean damdred should apply pressure. he subsequently doesn't apply that much pressure imo. i also don't particularly have a town read on the guy making the case, and a lot of people i have scum reads on don't like SL. so there's that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 02:09 GMT
#1489
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 02:21 GMT
#1491
On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.


Uhm... I've pointed it out before.

VE isn't committed to the game either.

The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.

You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.


??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia???

and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 03:20 GMT
#1493
On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.


Uhm... I've pointed it out before.

VE isn't committed to the game either.

The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.

You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.


??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia???

and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?


Question: when did you really decided I was mafia?


i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do?

On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:
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On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?

Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal?


did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page.

hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit.


man that was tough to find!!!! owait
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 04:18 GMT
#1501
On November 23 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 23 2014 12:20 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.


Uhm... I've pointed it out before.

VE isn't committed to the game either.

The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.

You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.


??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia???

and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?


Question: when did you really decided I was mafia?


i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do?

On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?

Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal?


did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page.

hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit.


man that was tough to find!!!! owait


Lol ritoky. You could've think I was scummy before the lynch but still not mention it in the thread. Your stance against me, and this post of yours in particular feels so forced.

I'm re reading the game to have a better grasp of my reads, although I think I may die tonight without been able to post them.

This is what I'm saying: you're reading me as scum ONLY because killer was town. You repeatedly say that we lynched our blue, implying people knew that. This is forced.

You have a scum read on hopeless. I don't wish to vote him day1. Therefore, I'm his partner.

Logic fails.

Who else is scum, ritoky? I'm partner with hopeless. Two more guys.


you can't read me if you think that's forced.

reading you as scum has less to do with killer being town and EVERYTHING to do with you REFUSING TO VOTE ON YOUR SCUM READ, SWITCHING TO A NULL READ WHO IS AFK, AND INSTEAD VOTE WITH YOUR SCUM READ. can't make this any more clear to you. and saying he is blue is because he is blue, would you rather i say "you lynched a townie who happened to flip blue"? cuz i can if that tickles your fancy better.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 04:21 GMT
#1502
On November 23 2014 13:10 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.

He made a good case on SL


where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue.

i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141


i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.


You were also having a scumread on sick lucker earlier, if I'm correct. What changed?


i did? where?

i just looked for it and found my "i don't understand what this guy is doing, but he reads me town" post, and then a post where i am summarizing someone else's read on him; don't see it.

and what changed is you did the single most scummy shit in the entire game and now i want to lynch you beyond a shadow of a doubt.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:00 GMT
#1676
so why isn't everyone in the game voting on GB?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:05 GMT
#1678
On November 24 2014 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 24 2014 08:00 ritoky wrote:
so why isn't everyone in the game voting on GB?


Because I'm not scum. You would realise that if you actually cared for the game.


why are you not mafia? outside of the very clear scum case i made against you, your "re-evaluated" reads seem shallow for someone who professes to have re-read the entire thread; and on top of that (meta read from previous experience) the last time i played against you as mafia you specifically targeted all the mass posters in the game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:07 GMT
#1681
@lian can you explain the chez mafia read? cuz i str8 up don't even know what that guy is doing.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:24 GMT
#1691
On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.

Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.

There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.

I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.

Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.

You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.

I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker

This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.

Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)

Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.

I don't care for FF's roleblock claim.


read on VE and rayn, obvious read is obvious

whining about people not playing

you're wrong about me and have yet to state a reason i am scum

wifom about vote splitting

people wasting their votes, followed by no pressure

scum team with no provided reasons

i didn't provide reasons, but let me create a backdoor cuz i know i am wrong on ritoky cuz i have perfect information

first actual read of the post

airball read on damdred

is that enough of an explanation of how they are shallow?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:29 GMT
#1695
On November 24 2014 08:26 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 24 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.

Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.

There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.

I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.

Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.

You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.

I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker

This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.

Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)

Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.

I don't care for FF's roleblock claim.


read on VE and rayn, obvious read is obvious

whining about people not playing

you're wrong about me and have yet to state a reason i am scum

wifom about vote splitting

people wasting their votes, followed by no pressure

scum team with no provided reasons

i didn't provide reasons, but let me create a backdoor cuz i know i am wrong on ritoky cuz i have perfect information

first actual read of the post

airball read on damdred

is that enough of an explanation of how they are shallow?


WIFOM?

Do you sincerely believe mafia consolidated in just one wagon?


probably not, but i don't profess to know scum motivations; why do you?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:42 GMT
#1705
On November 24 2014 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 13:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 22 2014 13:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm back at T-minus 11 and I'm very drunk so I'll just type it out:

Emergency Votecount

KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
sicklucker (3): Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred
TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet
liancourt (1): KillerSOS
Damdred (1): sicklucker

rayn and Damdred still need a pic by the end of Night 1

This is the lynching priority order for clarification


I think there was at least 1 mafia on SOS. HF was wrong and VE is probably actually vig.
I could see ritoky hanging on that counterwagon in case people from killerSoS start switching.
I have lian and rayn as town and they are doing many more things than I so there's a little sheeping here too.
Sicklucker's vote was a throw away vote, not saying that's very alignment indicative but last game when he was a possible lynch target he hopped on the other bandwagon just to not die and he was town. No, he probably wasn't going to get lynched over hopeless or SOS but it feels more like trying to stay away from the wagons to avoid suspicion to me.

Vote logic and sheeping list:
probably mafia:
templar
ritoky

possibly mafia
GB
slam
sicklucker

probably town
lian
rayn
ve

everyone else meh
[image loading]


this post is like....really bad...like bad bad bad bad; it is a complete and utter sheep outside of his mafia read on me which seems to be "there had to be a mafia on templar and poe means ritoky"? why did no1 comment on this?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:44 GMT
#1707
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 23 2014 23:47 GMT
#1709
however suggestions are quotes, specific highlighted examples, and easily understandable continuous logic are the basis for deep reads.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 00:08 GMT
#1720
On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.


reads:
VE - town
rayn - still town
lian - maybe town
fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean
damdred - leaning mafia
templar - leaning mafia
GB - mafia

not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 00:11 GMT
#1724
On November 24 2014 09:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 09:08 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.


reads:
VE - town
rayn - still town
lian - maybe town
fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean
damdred - leaning mafia
templar - leaning mafia
GB - mafia

not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.


I'm mafia calling 2 of my partners town when people are calling them scum.

Yeah, right.

Very deep reads you have here. Owait.


told you i couldn't and would later, you bitch and whine that i won't even give you a hint; then i give them to you with the promise of explanation later, and you whine some more. like srsly you have 0 agenda with this other than to piss me off.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 00:17 GMT
#1727
On November 24 2014 09:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 09:11 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:10 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:08 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.


reads:
VE - town
rayn - still town
lian - maybe town
fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean
damdred - leaning mafia
templar - leaning mafia
GB - mafia

not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.


I'm mafia calling 2 of my partners town when people are calling them scum.

Yeah, right.

Very deep reads you have here. Owait.


told you i couldn't and would later, you bitch and whine that i won't even give you a hint; then i give them to you with the promise of explanation later, and you whine some more. like srsly you have 0 agenda with this other than to piss me off.


Yeah, take your time to find reasons behind your reads.


w/e done talking to you, you're scum just trying to piss people off. don't even give a shit what you say for the rest of the game.

but just to show your antagonistic ass:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals-seattle-seahawks-20141123026/

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/mls/la-galaxy-seattle-sounders-fc-21730/

oh wow, look at that! someone not lying about doing shit irl! imagine that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 00:38 GMT
#1734
On November 24 2014 09:30 liancourt wrote:
[image loading]


missing my scum read on damdred
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 00:38 GMT
#1735
On November 24 2014 09:38 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 09:30 liancourt wrote:
[image loading]


missing my scum read on damdred


nvm i am blind
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 12:49 GMT
#1794
On November 24 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE vore for GB.
He voted with his scumread while his reasoning for not voting for Hopeless was "my scumread pushed him".


If you're town you're losing the game.


@GB: "if you're town"; so do you not believe him when he claimed to get medic saved?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:10 GMT
#1797
just got off of work, probably going to sleep in a few minutes but i promised to add depth to my reads so i will try to do that before i pass out:

VE - un-cc'd vigi, assuming he is town until he gets shot in the night by the real vigi or is cc'd. no real reason not to at this point imo.

rayn - when not engaged in a pissing match with hf, has been actively attempting to solve the game. much weaker day today than yesterday but not enough to be considered not town, he pulled off the gas on templar, and is coasting behind being medic saved (which btw i looked at the rules and am not even sure this is a mod confirmable thing??? don't forget last game).

lian - probably town cuz he playing so much different, trying to organize and be productive now. only downside to him is i think he is doing a bit much summarizing and a bit too little scum hunting.

fecalfeast - pretty much completely null on the guy except for this post, which makes him lean mafia:

On November 24 2014 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 13:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 22 2014 13:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm back at T-minus 11 and I'm very drunk so I'll just type it out:

Emergency Votecount

KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
sicklucker (3): Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred
TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet
liancourt (1): KillerSOS
Damdred (1): sicklucker

rayn and Damdred still need a pic by the end of Night 1

This is the lynching priority order for clarification


I think there was at least 1 mafia on SOS. HF was wrong and VE is probably actually vig.
I could see ritoky hanging on that counterwagon in case people from killerSoS start switching.
I have lian and rayn as town and they are doing many more things than I so there's a little sheeping here too.
Sicklucker's vote was a throw away vote, not saying that's very alignment indicative but last game when he was a possible lynch target he hopped on the other bandwagon just to not die and he was town. No, he probably wasn't going to get lynched over hopeless or SOS but it feels more like trying to stay away from the wagons to avoid suspicion to me.

Vote logic and sheeping list:
probably mafia:
templar
ritoky

possibly mafia
GB
slam
sicklucker

probably town
lian
rayn
ve

everyone else meh
[image loading]


he is wrong on me, but it isn't particularly that he is wrong on me that bothers me. it's the method. it is lazy and wifom as crap. "there must have been a mafia on hopeless, uncc'd vigi and cop were on it thus poe = ritoky". like i categorically disagree with the premise and i think it is a lazy reason that comes from the perspective of just trying to make crap up rather than find scum. his other scum read is a hardcore sheep. doesn't seem interested in finding scum.

damdred - i am leaning mafia on him because i am continuously underwhelmed by his posting. i don't particularly think his case one SL is strong, then from there the rest is just him being defensive, asking questions and not following through on them, and responding to other people directing stuff at him. he also has an extremely low post count, lower than mine, which is uncharacteristic of his town play imo. i think the prime example was how he pushed on me to see why i wanted to lynch GB so bad here:

On November 23 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Why do you want to lynch only GB and by a mile?

I do take offense at that I brought legitamate things forward rit.

Also templar why you defend me in one post and berate me in another ;;


and then he has completely avoided any contact with the topic since. it just seems like he is trying to stay out of the line of fire and not piss people off wayyyy too hard for town damdred. plus it's almost through day 2 and he hasn't made a large multi-quote case..just ugh.

templar - gonna mostly sheep what others say here, not like i have anything particularly original at this point. the thing that puts it over the top for me is the constant fucking off when under pressure, and when he returns he just acts like nothing ever happened and doesn't go back to address concerns.

GB - i could re-type this case but i have had a very long day, it is in my filter about 5x already. if you don't understand why by now you're never going to understand why i think this guy is mafia. also i remember from a game where he was mafia that he likes to target talkative people with nks (meta from personal experience, feel free to disregard)

after doing this reads post, being tired from a long day of work, and doing some re-reading, i would say i am not 100% locked on GB anymore; i could be convinced to vote on one of my other scum reads.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:14 GMT
#1798
On November 24 2014 22:04 GlowingBear wrote:
OP says you receive a message when veteran is shot
OP says you receive a message when you are roleblocked

OP says nothing about being healed and shot.

Tbh, after I'm writing this, I'm more inclined to believe Rayn lied and we should lynch him.


yeah but i just pulled this from another game that is currently running:

On November 19 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote:

Town Doctor
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Both you and your target are notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town.


so i mean, someone should prob run that by the mod to see which rules are going on here
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:20 GMT
#1799
On November 24 2014 22:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 21:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE vore for GB.
He voted with his scumread while his reasoning for not voting for Hopeless was "my scumread pushed him".


If you're town you're losing the game.


@GB: "if you're town"; so do you not believe him when he claimed to get medic saved?


I find his claim weird. Could be legit, that's why I'm reading him as town, but that's all.

This is the thing: medic can aim anyone, including mafia. So a mafia could be healed and come here and claim he was healed, getting town read. This makes his claim questionable.

What is even weirdly is that Rayn said he got shot AND healed. There is nothing in the OP that's says you receive a message when you are healed. There is nothing in the OP that says you're notified when you are shot but survives. Rayn claimed BOTH.

You know what could have happened? Luger fails, mafia Rayn is healed, he comes to the thread and say he was shot and healed to try to confirm him as town.

This is not WIFOM. This is very possible.


this isn't what i find strange about it at all btw. the fact that he didn't claim just to be saved, but he claimed to be shot AND saved made it a lot more credible to me because it felt like he had checked with the mod about the rules or something along those lines to verify the particulars of what it meant.

what i found strange about it was that it took all the way until me now for someone to even question it. especially after a lot of people were in the last game where me making an error regarding rules and mod confirmation had bad consequences for town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:26 GMT
#1802
On November 24 2014 22:04 GlowingBear wrote:
OP says you receive a message when veteran is shot
OP says you receive a message when you are roleblocked

OP says nothing about being healed and shot.

Tbh, after I'm writing this, I'm more inclined to believe Rayn lied and we should lynch him.


huh so it seems you did, guess i missed this somewhere. my bad. why the hell did no one follow up on this thought at all????????????

who was around when you posted this and just accepted it as fact? like why wouldn't people be skeptical especially those in the last game?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:28 GMT
#1803
people posting around the time of that post:

rayn, GB, templar, damdred, slam

@damdred, slam, templar - why did you not question rayn in regards to his save claim particularly when there's nothing in the rules about it and someone even pointed it out?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:36 GMT
#1805
On November 24 2014 22:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 22:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:04 GlowingBear wrote:
OP says you receive a message when veteran is shot
OP says you receive a message when you are roleblocked

OP says nothing about being healed and shot.

Tbh, after I'm writing this, I'm more inclined to believe Rayn lied and we should lynch him.


huh so it seems you did, guess i missed this somewhere. my bad. why the hell did no one follow up on this thought at all????????????

who was around when you posted this and just accepted it as fact? like why wouldn't people be skeptical especially those in the last game?


This is actually a post I've just posted. The other one is way back on the start of day2.


yeah i quoted the wrong post on accident, meant this one:

On November 24 2014 00:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, very poor play to claim vigi and right after claiming being healed, narrowing roleblock targets.

I should also add that it's bizarre that Rayn says he was shot AND healed. There is nothing in the OP that says that the healed person receives a message, when the OP clearly states that the roleblocked person receives one.

What was the message Rayn have got? "You were shot but you were healed"? Lol


mb am tired.

also you whined at me to substantiate my reads, respond to them (don't have to respond to my read on you, we been down that path)
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:41 GMT
#1807
On November 24 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hosts can you confirm whether or not a doctor save is informed in case they get shot.

regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:42 GMT
#1808
now excuse me, but i have to take my recently found town boner and fall asleep
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 13:56 GMT
#1812
On November 24 2014 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hosts can you confirm whether or not a doctor save is informed in case they get shot.

regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner

Why? If the hosts say "no" i am mafia so what the fuck are you talking about?!?!


you asked can you confirm this, if host says no, that would be the host saying "i can't confirm it", which is different from "not notified" am i right or am i tired? only reason i came back was i remembered i need to post a picture, so i offer this very realistic rendition of a tree:

[image loading]
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 22:13 GMT
#1867
On November 25 2014 05:56 sicklucker wrote:
Heres what I thinks happening. Mafia is trying to push a lynch on me. Heres the people who scum read me.

hard
gb
temp
damdred
slam

soft
ff
chez

People who dont are all pretty much the confirmed towns to me and have not suggested im scum. In my mind theres a 100% chance four of them are mafia. Do you really think im getting bussed by 3 mafia?


so do you not have a scum read on templar?

On November 25 2014 02:18 sicklucker wrote:
Alright if you switch to templar I will as well then. His "trap" was really bad as ive already posted and I dont think it was really a trap (already voting gb)



nope you do, cuz almost everyone in the thread is scum reading templar except GB; so why is it that you can't be bussed but you believe templar can be?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 22:17 GMT
#1868
gb whines for my reads, i give a short version of my reads, he whines that they aren't substantiated, i substantiate them, he doesn't respond to them. not doin too much to move my scum read there bud
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 23:00 GMT
#1873
On November 25 2014 07:49 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 07:13 ritoky wrote:
On November 25 2014 05:56 sicklucker wrote:
Heres what I thinks happening. Mafia is trying to push a lynch on me. Heres the people who scum read me.

hard
gb
temp
damdred
slam

soft
ff
chez

People who dont are all pretty much the confirmed towns to me and have not suggested im scum. In my mind theres a 100% chance four of them are mafia. Do you really think im getting bussed by 3 mafia?


so do you not have a scum read on templar?

On November 25 2014 02:18 sicklucker wrote:
Alright if you switch to templar I will as well then. His "trap" was really bad as ive already posted and I dont think it was really a trap (already voting gb)



nope you do, cuz almost everyone in the thread is scum reading templar except GB; so why is it that you can't be bussed but you believe templar can be?


Templars been targeted since 1 hour into the game and has been hanging him self since. Also the difference is the top/confirmed towns all want to lynch temp. But they dont want to lynch me. The logical thing to do if im mafia and the confirms are null or town reading me, is for my mafia partners would sheep them


why are you trying to piggyback off of the credibility of VE and rayn for a town read rather than generate your own by scum hunting?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 23:43 GMT
#1878
why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 23:53 GMT
#1881
On November 25 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote:
I don't think you've even mentioned my case on emplar or commented on it. So talk to me about that or where you want to go today rit


i 92% want to lynch GB, and have since his vote crap yesterday; i have been yelling at everyone to lynch him all phase until about 2 pages ago. where have you been?

otherwise, i don't mind lynching templar. i don't really find your case very original, i feel it is re-stating a lot of what has already been stated about the guy. i also don't mind lynching you, and i don't mind lynching FF. slam and chez are a distant 5 and 6 options for me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 24 2014 23:57 GMT
#1883
On November 25 2014 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 08:43 ritoky wrote:
why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes.


I've put effort into this game i've made two cases and voting for what I think is scum though i'd be happy to lynch SL as well.

And its kinda hard for me to talk by myself honestly makes me feel uncomfortable to just post with no one to talk with i guess


one of your scum reads, in SL, is here and actively posting; why aren't you pushing that read to get more information out of him? like it can only give you more information to further your read or make you see him in a different light....yet you're basically not even interacting with him in this thread...go over to the other thread and voila. do you really want to lynch SL?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 25 2014 00:01 GMT
#1885
On November 25 2014 08:57 Damdred wrote:
Most of the things pointed out on templar were pointed out by me before and I condensed them all into a case, so I disagree heavily that 1) a case has to be completely original as different peoples ideas and concetps should be used to build cases with if they have good points. 2) That I am not being original orthought provoking since I pointed out a lot of stuff about him earlier.

I've been here with you and GB somewhat fighting, I don't like a GB lynch I thought i said it before. So basically you don't mind lynching half of the players left?


i don't have many towns. and i have 4 scum reads, you read my reads post cuz you commented about it earlier.
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 00:03 GMT
#1886
On November 25 2014 08:58 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 08:43 ritoky wrote:
why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes.


I got voted 5 minutes into the other game and no ones really talking here...


i seriously have no idea what you're doing if you're town. like, since when do you need to have people around to talk to hunt scum when there's 90+ pages to work with. find scum, make case, be town. you just seem to only want to interact and respond to people not pro-actively hunt scum. this is why i have so few town reads this game.
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 00:07 GMT
#1889
On November 25 2014 09:03 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 08:57 ritoky wrote:
On November 25 2014 08:47 Damdred wrote:
On November 25 2014 08:43 ritoky wrote:
why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes.


I've put effort into this game i've made two cases and voting for what I think is scum though i'd be happy to lynch SL as well.

And its kinda hard for me to talk by myself honestly makes me feel uncomfortable to just post with no one to talk with i guess


one of your scum reads, in SL, is here and actively posting; why aren't you pushing that read to get more information out of him? like it can only give you more information to further your read or make you see him in a different light....yet you're basically not even interacting with him in this thread...go over to the other thread and voila. do you really want to lynch SL?


I would be really happy to lynch SL today becuase I think that my case on him is still pretty solid and he has been a bit wishy washy even today with his "Oh I would switch to lynch this person" hes not briningmuch thought to the thread and just seems to go with the flow overall.

And I thought we have been down this road before ritoky with reading me as one alignment or another based on two different games going on at the same time?


yes and last time you were different alignments in them and the one you put more effort into was the one you were mafia in. but then again i was also mafia trying to push a ML on you, so don't blame me for having a bs reason in that game.

my issue with you this game is i don't see you REALLY following through. like you go into the tunnel a bit when you have a scum read like myself, and i don't see that happening in the slightest. further, it feels to me like you're really trying to stay out of the fray and not get involved in the really contentious topics. or at least not at the times when they are really contentious.
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 01:11 GMT
#1905
On November 25 2014 10:07 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Updated votes:

The Templar (5 votes): Liancourt, FecalFeast, Damdred, Ritoky, Slam
GlowingBear (2 votes): Rayn, SickLucker,
SickLucker (2 votes): Templar, Glowing Bear
LianCourt (1 vote): Chezinu

People who still need to vote: VE




+ Show Spoiler +
Please notify if anything is wrong or needs to be corrected.


i haven't voted yet
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 04:22 GMT
#1985
took my lunch break, have about 15 minutes. is the GB lynch not a thing that is happening?
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 04:25 GMT
#1994
On November 25 2014 13:24 liancourt wrote:
No we re not considering gb now

ffs keep ur votes on temp


why aren't we considering gb?
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 04:29 GMT
#2000
On November 25 2014 13:26 liancourt wrote:
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On November 25 2014 13:25 ritoky wrote:
On November 25 2014 13:24 liancourt wrote:
No we re not considering gb now

ffs keep ur votes on temp


why aren't we considering gb?


I said now

we can consider him after the lynch

I dont want fucking shenanies


you realize the only 100% confirmed town in the game was urging everyone to sheep my case on gb right? just sayin
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ritoky
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November 25 2014 04:34 GMT
#2006
w/e templar is one of my scum reads but not as strong as GB. this deadline kinda at shitty time for me today.

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ritoky
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November 26 2014 05:34 GMT
#2073
okay so this is how it be boys,

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VE is an un-cc'd vigi, rayn is mod confirmed town, i am the medic. i am likely dying tonight if we lynch mafia today, which is fine because VE and rayn are better players than i am in general.

this is lylo, everyone in the game needs to make a case to us three as to why you are town and which 1 other player alive (not me, VE or rayn) is town in the next 24 hours.

let's get the cases rolling, vote analysis to be done later in the phase
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 05:42 GMT
#2074
yo SL there's another game going on over here. hows about you play it. why are you town, which other person in the game is town?
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 05:43 GMT
#2075
you waiting for the mafia in your QT to react to the medic outing?
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 05:59 GMT
#2082
On November 26 2014 14:54 Damdred wrote:
Rit to answer your question from earlier that I don't think I answered, the reason I didn't react strongly to rayn claiming to be medic saved was because it was a bad play as mafia to claim that and it was easily confirmable by the mod. Though pretend I'm dumb for a minute how does this make him mod confirmed town? It just means that medic visited him not alignment knowing?

GB is my current town read that I think should not be lynched. GB has tried to figure out the game and has stayed in the thread even during down times and tried to push conversation getting people talking. On a meta side GB struggles with explaining what he does and when which he has done talking to you and rayn I believe, he follows through with his promises to make cases and give reads. As scum GB is more lurky and never fullfills promises generally.

SL is my scum read I wrote a case earlier, but SL still hasn't done much and his only scum read has been myself that he's put any time into. I need to filter dive him again to make an updated case


Here is why he is mod confirmed town directly from the rules.

On November 14 2014 15:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Rembrandt (Doctor)

-You're not a doctor, but you painted a picture of a doctor once, and so you're qualified enough!

Every night you can visit someone and save them from any and all killing actions for that night. You cannot target yourself. In the event of a successful save, both you and the target are notified.



I was also notified, and the reason I kept asking someone else to ask the mod in the thread was because I wanted to see who would. Rayn ended up doing it himself, but I already knew the answer to the question because I had already checked with the mod.
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 06:04 GMT
#2084
On November 26 2014 15:02 Damdred wrote:
Yea I'm an idiot rit I forgot that succesdul save part


so you answered the question about why i should read GB as town, but not the other one. do self-analysis. why should i read you as town?
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 06:36 GMT
#2086
On November 26 2014 15:31 sicklucker wrote:
No im going to bed we got 48 hours. Alot more since are lynch today is pretty obviously slam. Ill spend alot of time dont worry. Also I got roleblocked last night for the little thats worth.


anyone want to cc being roleblocked last night?
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 07:23 GMT
#2090
On November 26 2014 16:19 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu do you want to cc ritoky?

WOW! Impressive. you actually noticed my list claim earlier. I place you with VE now.


you actually trying to cc me, cuz you are confirmed mafia if so.
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 12:19 GMT
#2101
@rayn and VE: what do you think of these two people who claimed roleblocks?

FF claimed roleblock n1
SL claimed roleblock n2

if both are town, then we have 5 town and game is auto, do you believe their claims?
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 12:55 GMT
#2104
@GB 2 questions:

1) why should i read you town?
2) if you are town, then there is 1 other town in the game outside of me, VE, and rayn; who is it?
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 13:37 GMT
#2110
i healed rayn again, thought the mafia wouldn't target VE cuz he can't shoot in fear of potentially losing the game. so i was deciding between protecting confirmed town or protecting my other town read: lian (in the event the mafia went hunting for medic). ultimately i figured protecting a confirmed versus a read was the better course; turns out i was wrong.
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ritoky
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November 26 2014 13:52 GMT
#2112
On November 26 2014 22:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 22:37 ritoky wrote:
i healed rayn again, thought the mafia wouldn't target VE cuz he can't shoot in fear of potentially losing the game. so i was deciding between protecting confirmed town or protecting my other town read: lian (in the event the mafia went hunting for medic). ultimately i figured protecting a confirmed versus a read was the better course; turns out i was wrong.


Lol you thought of protecting lian?

Lololol.

Anyway, what do you think of the others things I've brought to light?


yes, there was literally a 1% chance VE died last night in my mind, then rayn was confirmed, and i had 1 other town read who was role bait for days. it was basically a coin toss in my head. chose wrong.

as for your points, i am a little confused by you at the moment, might be because i am about to go to sleep. but you seem to be REALLY overcomplicating this. if you're town you need to find 1 town read out of the non-ritoky,VE,rayn players left and then the game is auto from there.

as for my personal opinions on who the 2 other towns are i am withholding those until everyone pleads their case or at least has had a chance to. also i would like to be more awake and thinking properly.
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ritoky
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November 27 2014 00:12 GMT
#2191
LOL?????????

is this a joke? like you're ccing vigi 2 days later, and you're claiming to have shot hopeless when you had a case on SL AND TEMPLAR as your top scums. why would you shoot hopeless instead of into either of your scum reads???????

regardless of your claim we are lynching chez and slam first because they are confirmed mafia. chez is not the medic, and slam is defending chez like he is the medic, which is crap cuz i am the medic.

ALSO the fact that you cc this NOW rather than in your earlier posts in the phase makes me question it more. This is fucking LYLO, I am the medic, the role you least want to claim, and I claimed immediately. Why were you sitting there hiding?

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ritoky
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November 27 2014 00:15 GMT
#2193
On November 27 2014 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
would have* but I understand.

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if you're town you need to vote chezinu right now or you are confirmed mafia.
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ritoky
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November 27 2014 00:16 GMT
#2195
On November 27 2014 09:04 Damdred wrote:
This would be a total suicide play by mafia here FF, mafia before hand knew that a vig would not claim while his second shot wasn't ready to go off so it gave them a bit of time and if the luger would of went through game would of been in a bad spot which is another reason I waited till now to claim.


this isn't even true. mafia want to cause confusion, all you need to do this phase if you are mafia is fake claim vigi and confuse 1 townie to fuck up his vote and the mafia wins. it also sets up a scenario later in the game where a mislynch is a much more real possibility rather than having confirmed towns in the game.
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ritoky
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November 27 2014 00:18 GMT
#2198
On November 27 2014 09:17 Damdred wrote:
Cause I wasn't at the computer, I am the vigi we should hoenstly kill VE today so I can shoot SL tonight


tell me why you shot hopeless when you had 2 other well developed scum reads.

and also tell me why chezinu is town.
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ritoky
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November 27 2014 00:22 GMT
#2202
On November 27 2014 09:19 Damdred wrote:
I'm a bad player rit remember that and I don't know when to claim, this is first time i've been at a comp since night basically. I am the vig we need to kill off VE so I can shoot into my top three suspects, I know i've played like crap this game but i've wanted to fly under the radar.


this is LYLO, and unless we lynch the roleblocker, it is LYLO again tomorrow. I am lynching the most likely mafia, which is slam or chezinu; if one of them happens to be the RB then the vigi situation will resolve itself (or NKs will resolve it) if not, then there is ample time to discuss it. so unless you give me a COMPREHENSIVE case on why you're vigi, VE is not, and VE is NECESSARILY RB, then i am lynching slam or chez
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ritoky
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November 27 2014 04:43 GMT
#2225
???? I don't understand this guy at all.

Are you claiming medic or not?

Because you're not the medic.
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ritoky
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November 27 2014 04:49 GMT
#2226
On November 27 2014 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure. Damdred claiming vig changes things, because he's confirmed mafia to me. So to me he's the best lynch today (guaranteed to hit mafia).

But SL is right, we should be trying to hit the roleblocker. I think Damdred fakeclaiming makes him NOT the roleblocker - he has to know that me pushing for his lynch based on his claim is a possibility, so him being the roleblocker and making that action doesn't make much sense.

I'd like rayn to explain why he thinks Chez is the medic...right now I'm voting for him based on that information, but checking it I can't find any kind of claim so I want to know what's up with that.


Regarding the bolded part, we should definitely NOT make this our priority. We are in LYLO we don't have the luxury of being picky with which mafia we hit. We should lynch the most likely mafia. Period. If that person happens to be roleblocker, then that is great for us. If not, we are still in LYLO and haven't lost the game.

So in that vein (outside of damdred who from your perspective is 100% mafia) who is the next most likely mafia?
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 06:37 GMT
#2286
sorry i was gone all day. it was a holiday for me and i cook for my family, so.... yeahhhhh. good shit boys.

i think chez might have been the RB based on damdred suiciding to divert the votes and how hard it was to get people to vote on a guy who is basically confirmed mafia.

tomorrow i plan to read through the thread regarding the unconfirmeds and say who i think are the most likely town in the game since i am pretty much dying almost 100% of the time tonight.
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 07:34 GMT
#2289
VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION TO THE MODS: Did alakaslam vote (cuz I don't see it) and what are the consequences for that?
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 21:25 GMT
#2304
so first things first, whoever lives through tonight amongst me, VE, and rayn needs to make a decision imo; that decision is are you comfortable with a GB, ff, SL final 3? Because from my perspective that is where this is headed.

From my pov, VE, rayn, and me are 100% town. Chez is 99.9% mafia, slam is 99.9% mafia (especially with that weird throwing shade on my claim post and hard defending chez all game for 0 reason)

Which leaves us with GB, FF, and SL as a final 3 in a couple days. If we go down that path. So whoever is alive after this night phase of the confirmed towns should probably come to an agreement of whether you want this to go to final 3 with those people or you want to lynch into those 3 and make the decision while a confirmed is alive.

FF and SL have both claimed to be roleblocked; FF on n1, SL on n2. Whereas during the dead period of the game GB was doing more to try and solve and push the game forward than anyone was. However my scum read on GB hasn't gone away completely for my previous reasons and also his "hey i think you're medic and rayn is confirmed town, but let's vote some1 other than chez stuff". But that might be cuz I am still in the tunnel a bit on him.

SL being roleblocked on n2 has some merit because of this post:

On November 25 2014 13:22 sicklucker wrote:
I have no idea what just happen. Oh ya I forgot I can just save myself lol


Where I think he half-softed medic. Which could have attracted the RB versus me who spent the phase typing in caps to GB. That said, I think if the mafia was going to piss away a RB and not rly use it, it would probably be going into that LYLO as to not give more info to the town.

I disagree with VE and I think FF's claim of being roleblocked is probably more believable. First because there is pretty much 0 chance that the mafia elected not to use their RB night 1, it just makes no sense. If the mafia did use its RB, which is pretty much 100% likely, then there are 3 scenarios that occurred: 1) they RB'd FF, 2) they RB'd hopeless and VE shot him (unlikely) 3) they RB + shot HF (why would they do this? maybe luger used on HF and wanted RB on him in case failure? low likelihood). So in my mind FF's RB claim is more real than SL's as of now and thus FF out of SL, FF, and GB is the current most town of the 3.
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 21:30 GMT
#2305
I would also like to point out that GB has spent hours posting in another game and his only post recently has been:

On November 29 2014 03:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I've already posted on day


Which isn't even that recent. Why the sudden lack of urge to solve the game? Damdred made some crap excuses as to why he was posting a bunch in other games but not this one and that guy was mafia. You doing the same?
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 21:55 GMT
#2307
On November 29 2014 06:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
I am really sorry for signing up for this game when I obviously wasn't okay with playing any role I got. I will do legwork for someone (ie ritoky, ve, or rayn) if they like.

Ritoky should I filter dive SL or GB? I could give a crack at slam or chez but slam is close to modkill and chez is like reading Egyptian hieroglyphics


honestly you should do both. you know your alignment, it seems you agree that chez and slam are likely mafia, so the last mafia is one of those two from your pov. you should have a developed read on both as it is a possibility you're sitting in the f3 with them.

i personally would start with SL since he claimed to be roleblocked and his filter is less dense to read. then move to GB.
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 22:08 GMT
#2308
rayn get your butt over to this thread too. i mean you can wait until the phase change in the other thread if you have to, but still.
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ritoky
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November 28 2014 22:33 GMT
#2312
On November 29 2014 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
All I have to say I've already said, ritoky.

I can't do much more.

What do you want from me?


do you think we should lynch into you/ff/SL while there are still confirmed townies alive?

also, in your list post of town rankings, you had chez above BOTH FF and SL (even though both had claimed to be rb'd); and the only reason you had chez in mafia was because he claimed medic (which he hasn't fully stood by? cuz he hasn't done anything?). Why did you have chez above both of them?
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ritoky
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November 29 2014 02:32 GMT
#2337
On November 29 2014 11:10 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 29 2014 10:52 sicklucker wrote:
Like FF you of all people should understand my view point. You were in my last game where everyone ignored the fact serejai was happy to vote me the rest of the game. FF if you think im mafia then sure we keep going as we are and I die in final 3. But as it is now If you think im town your throwing the game.


I do NOT understand your logic.
If we lynch the most likely mafia, we have the largest % chance of the game continuing.
If we lynch into the question mark crew, we have the largest % chance of losing the game.


Its hard to explain to you because its really good for you as town or mafia. But by doing nothing we give you the hammer in final 3 by defualt and you have to decide between me and gb. Because gb is tunneling me hard.

Anyway I dont really expect you to agree with me ff because the idea is to take the hammer away from you. I think either of you could be mafia. But gb only thinks I can be.


why are you talking to FF like he is confirmed town? why does he get the hammer? if it is f3 with 3 question marks, it's on all 3 of them to figure it out, why is everything suddenly on FF in your eyes?

anywayz to explain to FF why I am even entertaining the thought of lynching into the group of 3 versus the very likely mafia as an option is because there will be at least 2 confirmeds in the game next phase and at least 1 the following phase. that way you have a known town who can lead the discussion and the town votes. Also, as of right now I trust rayn and VE's judgment over any of the 3 of you in the context of this game.

Essentially the upside of lynching into the group of 3 before all the confirmed townies are dead is that you have confirmed townies leading the votes and discussion and it is much easier to see dynamics. Basically you have people that you don't have to be skeptical of and you know for certain are scum hunting.

The downside is that the group of 3 is the least likely to find mafia, and the sooner you do it the less information is available to those who are making the decision on that group.

It's a personal CBA (cost-benefit-analysis) for all players and what they prefer, plus gauging reactions to ideas or seeing who ignores them entirely is simply more information to scum or town read people for.
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ritoky
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November 29 2014 02:49 GMT
#2344
On November 29 2014 11:35 sicklucker wrote:
Ritoky answer me this. Do you honestly think Gb is still evaluating this game or is he playing his new game and happy to vote me off already.


this is a loaded question cuz i am pre-disposed to think GB is scum just cuz i want to be right with my tunnel.

that said, i think he did a lot of the same in the day phase and was analyzing the game, and not very much has changed since then as he stated. however he even though he thought i was the medic, chez was fake claiming, VE was vigi, and rayn was town; he was still very reluctant to vote chez....and he still hasn't explained why he read chez as a higher town than you AND ff; which i am waiting for but will probably die before i get.

however he is not the only one with detractors, i think you have yours as well. i think your RB claim is weaker than FFs if I am comparing the two, and I remember damdred likes to bus as mafia. but then again literally everyone who is potentially mafia if you're town wanted to lynch you/called you mafia: gb did, damdred did, slam did, chez did, ff did. so maybe you're town cuz of that being too much bus? dunno

as for FF, FF has the better RB claim, but the weakest filter of all 3 of you; but when i yelled at him for voting on VE he responded IMMEDIATELY which i liked.

that's not really what you asked for, so the short answer is: there is very little going on in the game right now that is doing anything to shift anyone's reads on people in the game outside of you 3. so there isn't much re-evaluating happening as of when GB last posted.
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ritoky
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November 29 2014 02:52 GMT
#2347
On November 29 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting slam, I'm just sure you're mafia man.

I've brought very far reasoning that you're mafia. I don't have more to say

Ritok, the game is solved to me unless your medic claim is fake, which I doubt. If you want my reasoning, you can check my filter.

Chez should be mafias target last night, not lian or sl. Chez is mafia.

The only thing we have to solve in this game is who is fakeclaiming being roleblocked.


As of right now there's 0 reason to vote slam unless he posts again in the thread. He is set to be mod-killed for not voting and basically turning into a ghost.
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ritoky
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November 29 2014 19:40 GMT
#2483
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ritoky
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November 29 2014 23:58 GMT
#2493
On November 30 2014 08:26 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn calling me 99% mafia because im not here is the most donkey thing ive ever heard out of your mouth btw. Lets try to win this game shall we? Like no one tried to win this game but me and gb this is absurd. You haven't had one important right read this game . You called like 5 towns confirmed mafia. hopeless, holy , gb , temp , me.

I had a huge part of finding the three scums. ff did not


you're right, i did nothing to win this game. nothing at all.

if you're town and FF is the scum, you need to explain the scenario in which FF claiming to be roleblocked on N1 is a lie.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 00:20 GMT
#2500
On November 30 2014 09:04 sicklucker wrote:
The role block things kind of pointless. One is definitely fake. I think it makes more sense the fake one is ff's. Their was more targets (harder to hit)

I also softed medic trying to take a bullit twice. VE and me have already posted that. Who really thought ff was a role?


Why? What is the scenario in which it is fake? Describe it to me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 00:23 GMT
#2501
@FF, also I would like you to describe the scenario you envision by which SL's claiming to be roleblocked in fake on N2.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 00:51 GMT
#2505
On November 30 2014 09:31 sicklucker wrote:
FF says he doesint want to lynch then he does a 360 right before gb dies. Thoughts?


you were talking to FF like he was confirmed town, telling him he had the hammer @ final 3, and GB was 100% scum. now FF is the scum. thoughts?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 05:11 GMT
#2511
On November 30 2014 14:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
dedgaem


which 1 u think is scum VE? SL or FF?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 05:16 GMT
#2513
On November 30 2014 14:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I thought it was FF before but sick has said some stuff today that makes my skin crawl. I don't know, I never did give their filters a really good going over so I'll have to read up overnight.


well that's all that's really left is to decide between the two, so it's mostly just a waiting game until then and trying to ask them questions to determine their alignments
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 05:20 GMT
#2514
[image loading]

here's a picture i have been hard at work on. please marvel in its detail!
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 05:34 GMT
#2515
@FF: I would like you to explain to me how you got from here:

On November 22 2014 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm allergic to reading, not reads.

scummy
lian
sicklucker
rayn


null/scum
VE
ritoky
hf
slam

null/town
templar

town
gb
damdred

i missed people and I'm okay with that


To here:

On November 24 2014 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think there was at least 1 mafia on SOS. HF was wrong and VE is probably actually vig.
I could see ritoky hanging on that counterwagon in case people from killerSoS start switching.
I have lian and rayn as town and they are doing many more things than I so there's a little sheeping here too.
Sicklucker's vote was a throw away vote, not saying that's very alignment indicative but last game when he was a possible lynch target he hopped on the other bandwagon just to not die and he was town. No, he probably wasn't going to get lynched over hopeless or SOS but it feels more like trying to stay away from the wagons to avoid suspicion to me.

Vote logic and sheeping list:
probably mafia:
templar
ritoky

possibly mafia
GB
slam
sicklucker

probably town
lian
rayn
ve

everyone else meh
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specifically i would prefer if you comment on how rayn went from scum to town, how GB went from town to possibly mafia, and how your read on damdred evaporated into thin air. however, i would like to hear as much of the process as you will tell me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 30 2014 23:13 GMT
#2541
gg, rip me
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 01 2014 04:54 GMT
#2587
read GB as mafia -> yell @ GB -> start reading GB as town -> keep yelling anywayz to avoid mafia killing you -> success -> reverse all-kill
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 01 2014 07:00 GMT
#2596
On December 01 2014 15:06 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 14:06 sicklucker wrote:
Town destroyed themselves, but mafia was too lazy to seem town because of it


slams mod kill probably sealed it but crummy play happened after d2.

I really wanted rit dead d2 lol


i thank your team for not listening

had to put VE on my back this game to pay him back for screwing him over last game.

also read about slam's situation; am sorry. i asked to be subbed out a couple of games ago for a very similar thing. hope everything is alright.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 01 2014 08:18 GMT
#2602
On November 21 2014 05:32 sicklucker wrote:
Random ok heres who I like.

Rayn- Like his reads doing his usual aggressive townshit the fact he was the first one to call ve town I liked verymuch
FF- He accepted peace after a rocky game thats very towny to me
ve- Insanely confident I have a hard time believing he goes that hard on nothing if hes mafia.
ritoky - My top town I think Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee.

Who I dont like

Lian- Pretty self explanatory+ I already said why
templar - Said a few posts back
Holyflare - Over defensive not willing to commit to a scum read

Rest are null


just in case you were wondering about leaving me alive cuz i was slightly more favorable to you SL, I was lynching you 99% of the time; cuz of this read on me being way too good way too soon and a couple other reasons. i was just asking random crap to you guys to try and get 1 of you to scum slip.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 05 2014 20:22 GMT
#2641
On December 05 2014 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty interested in why ritoky decided to doc me instead of HF though.


larger town read on you, hf had just fooled me the previous game, hf calls for protections like every game so i didn't feel he was a role. there was another reason but i don't remember
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 05 2014 23:19 GMT
#2645
On December 06 2014 07:19 sicklucker wrote:
No that was the guy who lead like 4 mislynches and afked in lylo and is trying to talk like he solved the game.


you shouldn't hate on other people's gameplay unless you're willing to eat the criticism as well. rayn did enough to be confirmed town and win, more than most in the game did.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 06 2014 05:01 GMT
#2648
On December 06 2014 08:29 Damdred wrote:
Rit. I'll shoot you n1 next time


seriously though, i think i am at 17 games on these forums, and have rolled town in 16 of them. by now i gotta be such an easy town read for so many that it is probably not a terrible idea to shoot me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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