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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 22:16 GMT
#3376
On November 12 2014 07:03 Damdred wrote:
5 hours is a lot of time to bleed town and show it.

So who do you think is scum from fiilters?


idk, I didn't pay much attention to filters after reading yours and deciding you are town. That really only leaves VE, liancourt, jay, and slam to fill 3 mafia/3p slots assuming there are 3 non-town left.

I'd lynch liancourt first.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 22:19 GMT
#3378
On November 12 2014 07:17 Damdred wrote:
Even though you checked him last night and he didn't leave home?


People don't visit for factional kp, so not leaving home can mean anything.

And until liancourt claims his night action, I'm still not in a comfortable position.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 22:20 GMT
#3379
Main reason I want to lynch liancourt is off this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=148#2943
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 22:47 GMT
#3384
So for slam's theory that HF/ritoky are not mod confirmed, I've been assuming this whole time that they are mod confirmed because everyone else has taken their word on it. How were they mod confirmed in the first place?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:02 GMT
#3386
On November 12 2014 07:46 Damdred wrote:
I know i've played horrible this game and thats ok i'll take the hit for it after the game is over i'm sure.

But the "confirmed" townies during the mylo situation have completely abandoned us so far.

Ritoky has misrepresented some things i've said and then ninja voted on CR without saying another word in the game or trying to figure out things and letting the thread die, his vote analysis have not led to a lot of conclusions.

HF said for town not to give up but today he has not acted like a town leader that I know of in the past, he has just got people onto CR and fucked off basically. And his and VEs fight after rereading it feels really forced Seuss really might of been onto something on that point, like it really comes out of nowhere.

The only thing that we have confirming them as townies is a mason chat that

They have seemed to escape pretty unscathed this whole game, why shoudln't they of taken VE out once his inventions started flying around the medics were goin to HF and his invention did not block factional KP but just any action performed on him so he seems to be set up for nk but never did. Rit claims to have a bullet proof vest which is understandable can't really test it otherwise, besides that they have been pretty mum on their powers mason chat and hf still never said what they were.

I might be going crazy but it just doesn't fit, slam where are you slam


What I was thinking about is why VE didn't give ritoky his invention. We didn't know how many kp was floating around, and if two people died last night instead of 1, then we would be in lylo right now. VE seems to believe in the mod confirmed townies, so there shouldn't be a question to him whether or not ritoky's power is fake. It should have been an obvious choice to hand the invention over to ritoky yesterday. Town would potentially have an extra day with another vet.

Another thing I'm curious about is why ritoky didn't claim one of his powers. He said that it benefits mafia, however he was totally okay with claiming his vest ability. He claimed he had an op ability during the night, when mafia could have roleblocked him or something. Then he claimed the next day that he became a vet. Like announcing a vet is purely beneficial to mafia and doesn't do anything for town. I don't know what ability could be any more classified that this.

Also, Holyflare hasn't claimed any of his powers.

Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:03 GMT
#3387
On November 12 2014 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Just said they were in a mason chat together and they built the case that lynched scum LT.

Its really far fetched and if hf and rit die and one flips mafia other one would be to...i have to read hfs filter again


That sounds like a case that ritoky/hf might be town. That doesn't mean they are mod confirmed. Do you know where the mod confirm is coming from?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:14 GMT
#3390
perhaps I'm missing something here, because if they claimed to be mod confirmed town without any mod confirmation, then they're both probably mafia. That's not the kind of thing you claim when its untrue. Nobody outside the mason knows the mechanics of it so they can't really verify, making it kinda safe to claim. I say they're both mafia because if one of them is town, they would be able to honestly verify if they are actually mod confirmed.

Ritoky and HF catching a mafia together on day 1 doesn't give them any town points because HF has a tendency to dunk of teammates really hard.

Right now I would like to hear what makes their mason mod confirmed. If we don't get a legitimate reason, then we gotta lynch ritoky and hf.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:19 GMT
#3391
On November 12 2014 08:08 Damdred wrote:
Basically to believe HF rit are mafia you have to believe that they hit LT with the biggest bus ever with both of them going hard on him, while at the same time right before shenanigans were about to happen hf called everone back onto scum LT.

Which in retrospect wouldn't be that hard as LT was a great ig shot if he even lived


What shenanigans are you referring to?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#3393
If it was anyone else, I would give them a town read, but Holyflare is easily the hardest busser on TL. I wouldn't excuse him for catching LT, but I will if either him or ritoky tells us why they are mod confirmed townies.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:28 GMT
#3394
If we don't figure it out by the end of today, we should lynch liancourt.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:39 GMT
#3396
Right now the lynch is between two townies so the votes don't really indicate much.

I want to start piling votes onto liancourt.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 11 2014 23:50 GMT
#3398
tbh, that post is 90% of the reason why I'm voting him.

The other 10% is his case on you. I can't really say his case on you is scummy, but it's problematic still.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 00:21 GMT
#3399
There's a lot that's wrong in liancourt's filter, but this is definitely the scummiest thing.

Misder after thinking for a long time and however far fetched it might be I think misder is telling the truth about the chicken and leeroy. Now some of u know the story of leeroy and going full retard in a dungeon on wow. He just went in disregarding any plans. To my knowledge in the video he didn't die (correct me if i'm wrong) but says at the end that he at least got chicken. Now i think that the fact that he has a chicken makes him not die when he goes leeroy. Now, i know the chances of ve giving the chicken to the right person (which is leeroy) is very minimal and if that is the case then ve and misder is probably mafia (kinda like what ray said). However, I believe that ve is a good inventor, he's been giving good inventions out and i don't think anything bad has happened to them. So i think ve got lucky in giving misder the chicken.


If you look at this read on Misder, it reads as if he knew Misder was town. There is no way for someone who didn't know Misder's alignment to give this far fetched of a reason why Misder survived. Lying about his role, or a mafia having an ability that negates all kp are both very plausible explanations why Misder would have survived. However mafia would immediately know these reasons are not true, and then the most plausible explanation becomes the reason that liancourt gives. Only mafia could have thought this.

Also in the same post:
my current scum reads are damdred and misder

and then
So in conclusion i'd rather lynch damdred than misder.


This conclusion doesn't make sense. All of liancourt's reads on Misder so far have been scumreads based on Misder's behavior. Telling the truth on a role is independent on one's alignment, and liancourt knows that seeing as how Damdred always told the truth and liancourt wants to lynch him. So from some reason we have the logic from liancourt that Misder is acting scummy > Misder told the truth on his role > let's not lynch Misder. Doesn't make sense.

There's another progression that doesn't make sense either.

How did this:
my current scum reads are damdred and misder

Go to this?
For real we didnt kill damdred? Facepalm


If liancourt had a scumread on misder, why is he complaining that we lynched his #2 scumread instead of his #1 scumread? Doesn't feel like a natural way to take credit. Feels a bit like coming from mafia.


Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 00:24 GMT
#3400
Also this:

On November 08 2014 15:37 liancourt wrote:
PS. To those who think i'm playing half heartedly, unusual, uninterested, god knows any other bad attributed words. I've played 3 games here. First game half the people thought of me as scum I tried my fucking best to please everyone and bleed town as best as possible, it wasn't enough. i got lynched and everyone fucking ignored my reads.

Second game ended quite fast but nonetheless i was seen as scummy on the first day because i wasn't try harding like the first game. LOL. I was going for a different playstyle because it was tiring doing all the shit for nothing when no one believes u and ignores ur reads. So i played less serious, but i gave reads nonetheless when it was needed. No one really gave a damn then either so and the game ended.

third game was resistance. The game kinda imploded on itself but nonetheless i tried give out my analysis I even made the 2 pools splitting scum and hypothesizing that there were 1 and 2 scum in each pool. I was right at least right when I looked at the game when it ended but no one gave a fuck about my 2 pool analysis and disregarded it.

So now how do you think i feel when i give reads but they are just ignored? I just didn't try as hard as past games does it really matter since no one gives a damn about my reads up until now. Why now? Oh wait, it's because I'm scummy now for some apparent reason. Now I am at the center of attention lol

Are you going to ignore my reads again today?

Fuck psycho analyze this post and I want every fucking ppl to respond to me.


Liancourt's biggest and most thorough case was on himself. Which is fine if he's the leading lynch or something, but at the time, Damdred, Misdor, and myself were in more heat than liancourt was. And by saying how he's the center of attention really spells out paranoia. This reminds me of a mafia mindset. Personally when I'm town, I don't really give a shit how people are reading me, however when I'm mafia, my goal is to just seem towny and every scumread people have on me worries me. This reads to me like the latter.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 00:30 GMT
#3401
The only thing I'm not sure of, and I'd like some of you to help me on this, is if his case on Damdred is scummy or not.

On November 10 2014 18:04 liancourt wrote:
do ppl have wool over their eyes? Why arent you guys seeing the obvious scum that is damdred?

He used his ability so that a person cannot vote him.

We have 8 ppl left. Each vote is more important and he decided to use it so that a person cannot vote him. I would've thought that damdred and ve were scum by the usage of the ability, but as I am seeing ve as town as well as the fact that ve is reading damdred scum the only explanation left is that damdred doesn't want the person reading him as scum to vote for him. What is so complicated about this? Scum doesnt want town who is reading him scum to vote for him. And he probably thinks he can convince others to vote for someone else, but he knows he cant convince ve so he used that ability on him. Guys damdred is scum.


The logic liancourt employed is that Damdred's actions makes sense if he was scum, therefore he's scum. He completely missed out on if Damdred is town, why he couldn't make this action. So basically liancourt is coming into this read with the preconception that Damdred is mafia. This could go either way. Liancourt could be so convinced that Damdred is mafia based on his earlier reads that everything Damdred does, Liancourt is fitting it into why mafia would do that. This would mean liancourt is town. The alternative is that liancourt needs to push a reason why Damdred is mafia to get the lynch going, which means liancourt is mafia. I'm not sure which one it is, and this might actually trump the other reads I have on liancourt.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 01:16 GMT
#3405
On November 12 2014 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Basically I'm lynching you CR because Damdred is off the table with my vote not an option and HF seems to be 100% on you. I had very little read on your predecessor (though I leaned scum for reasons I gave) and you've done very little to help me get a read on you since you've replaced in. You don't seem invested in trying to catch up (even before you were in the hot-seat you seemed disinterested in trying to read) and you seem content to comment on things based on second-hand information rather than checking for yourself, which tends to come from mafia trying to manipulate thread sentiment rather than town trying to figure out the game.


What about liancourt? Would you be willing to vote liancourt with me?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 01:41 GMT
#3406
On November 12 2014 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Basically I'm lynching you CR because Damdred is off the table with my vote not an option and HF seems to be 100% on you. I had very little read on your predecessor (though I leaned scum for reasons I gave) and you've done very little to help me get a read on you since you've replaced in. You don't seem invested in trying to catch up (even before you were in the hot-seat you seemed disinterested in trying to read) and you seem content to comment on things based on second-hand information rather than checking for yourself, which tends to come from mafia trying to manipulate thread sentiment rather than town trying to figure out the game.


I don't understand why are you lynching me over liancourt. I've done stuff. Not enough it looks like, but I've done stuff. Liancourt has just been sitting on his damdred vote for the last 2 days and hasn't looked into anything else. This is exactly mafia behavior when town is leading the lynch.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 01:47 GMT
#3407
w/e, I gotta leave, so I'm dead

Notes for town:

1. VE needs to answer my question on why he didn't give his invention to ritoky. I already asked twice. Pester him until he does.

2. Holyflare needs to explain why him and ritoky are both modconfirmed. I don't know much about ritoky's meta, but Holyflare would 100% not say that ritoky is modconfirmed unless he is legitimately mod confirmed. If his reason is a townread and not a reason why they are mod confirmed, then consider lynching them both. Pestering ritoky to claim his secret night action, and pestering Holyflare to claim all of his powers is a good place to start.

3. I asked liancourt a few times to claim his night action. KJHDSAFDDFI get him to do that. Today if possible before I die.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 01:52 GMT
#3409
It might not be mylo right now, which is ok. But srsly, town should vote liancourt. I'm about 80% sure on him. Read my cases on him.

I'm not going to vote Damdred, even if it means I die. My townread on him is pretty strong, and given that he's doing more than me, I'm gonna gamble that he's town and have him around tomorrow. Probably a higher chance of town winning that way. If VE is town, that means two townies are not voting Damdred. Don't consider voting Damdred today. Keep it between me and liancourt.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2014 01:52 GMT
#3410
ok bye, cya 2mrw if I'm not lynched
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