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On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Filter check: Alaric Feeling: Unknown/possible scum Posting Habits: Observation A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting. I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment. Asking people to talk about others' posts is actually pretty important - it's how you get how people are thinking and reading other people, and it's how you get content out there, which is especially important D1. I still maintain my earlier sentiments of Alaric being pretty townie. | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:19 Requizen wrote: As I said before, I'd rather have all cards on the table from everyone. If someone gets shot/poisoned tonight and their correct read goes unposted, then that hurts the town. For example, I said that I think mordek is town. If I die tonight, but am right that he's not scum, I hope that my posts can help narrow down who is. You're correct in that the converse is more focused and just as important - if someone dies, that means their scumreads may be accurate and will cause an investigation. But the opposite is just as important. That said, scum can also just choose to kill someone who thinks that they are town, to draw suspicion away. That's why giving reasoning why you don't think someone is scum is just as important - so someone who disagrees with you can still investigate. Vomiting all your reads, especially as you are doing, really isn't helpful though. Sure, it's important to know where peoples' reads lie. But something like what you're doing would be more important for someone who had concern of being shot tonight, and had some really important read/case to get out there before he thinks he's going to die. I'm glad you're putting time in to formulate reads, but I wish it had a bit more direction. I'd love to know your #1 scum read. You've given several reads so far, but most of them are pretty null. The only one you're really leaning scum on is Alaric, which is someone who's fairly widely considered townie. | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:43 WaveofShadow wrote: You're not reading, are you soniv? Tsk tsk. I know who his scum reads are. On October 14 2014 03:44 Lord Tolkien wrote: His #1scumread is me lel oh right, that's why I disregarded it | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote: And me. Are you disregarding that? There has also been a fair amount of discussion on both me and Tolkien stemming from Req's posts, so you're not reading the thread. Good to know. I disregarded it because I didn't and don't think LT is scum. I did a quick skim of his filter summation posts tonight and he hasn't done one for LT, so it had slipped my mind. As for his suspicions of you, he said he thinks he's placed too much focus on you, and I already said I'm tabling my concerns of you as well for now. On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote: Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it. The thing that's setting me off about him is that ever since we chastised his early posts, he seems to be saying things that he thinks the town wants to hear, rather than what he's actually thinking? Idk, hard to put it in words. I'll really dig into it more in a few hours. | ||
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I did a quick skim of these posts: On October 14 2014 01:56 Requizen wrote: Filter check: OWB Feeling: Not scum Posting Habits: Lurking OWB was away for most of the game and has a very small filter. His vote for no-lynch makes me think town. Scum coming in late, catchup or not, could always fake reading by following their fellow scum's voting patterns. No-lynch makes me think not-scum who was, in fact, distracted. Our reads are different but line up in a couple places. Read logic is pretty good. Filter check: Ghandi Feeling: Not scum/who knows Posting Habits: Shitposting I don't know if GEagle is actually going to play the game at all right now. There are a couple decent posts in his filter, but a lot of clogging posts about how misunderstood he is (ironic I know given my first few D1 posts) and his normal/shitty one liners. On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Filter check: Alaric Feeling: Unknown/possible scum Posting Habits: Observation A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting. I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment. On October 14 2014 02:33 Requizen wrote: Filter check: mordek Feeling: Unknown/low scum likelyhood Posting Habits: Normal? I like mordek's posts so far. He posts his feelings without pushing too hard on people, and has been helpful for new players. This could be a play on scum!mordek's part to get on people's good side, or he could just be a good sport. Or he could be town and just doing his thing. I liked his reads and he didn't sow much or any discord in his D1. He's low on the watchlist. On October 14 2014 03:04 Requizen wrote: Filter check: AsmodeusXI Feeling: Town Posting Habits: Reasonable Asmo's posts give me a green vibe. I'm not trusting him yet, but I in no way have a bad feeling from him. Yes, he voted for MB, but he made that call very early and gave reasoning for it before the train began running. I have not agreed with every call he's made (for example, his aggression towards AFKers and his tirade against Jeff), but I think he's more town and anything. The only thing that stands out to me is his post after MB flipped green - the anger and regretfulness is in line with his normal posting style, but it only feels a little too forward, as if Mafia!Asmo is trying to force sounding regretful about his decision. But then, I've started to feel a bit mistrustful of any post that isn't strictly productive towards saving the town. "A quick skim of his filter summations". When I said "you've given several reads so far", these posts are what I was talking about. Look at all of his "feeling" lines - they're all just meh. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does nobody else want to talk about soniv? Is this just pushback because of the way my in-game personality doesn't seem to fit in this particular game? Because I'm not sure how to make people consider my posts any other way. I don't know why everyone seems to be ignoring me, but I would love for people not to ignore me just because you're the one pushing me. I'd rather people talk about it and figure it out than let you run around in little circles. If you are, in fact, town, I hope you can get past this vendetta on me and do some real scumhunting. But if you're scum, then feel free to continue yelling at the wall  | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty content to continue yelling against the wall for a little while. Reading through his filter you really get a sense of him trying to avoid taking stances all over the place and letting others do his work for him. Obviously the boave is likely a joke, related to my trolly early vote of Jeff but then look below: Scumtactics 101, start shit, don't get hit. A whole bunch of questions, NONE of them actually go anywhere in terms of trying to get information for himself. This was one of the early posts I made, and I was asking because on the first page of the game, you and jeff voted each other. How dare I ask for some reasoning for either votes? You can say I was starting shit, or you could look at it for what it was - very early D1. Let's play 'count the number of times soniv doesn't take a stance on me: Ok, you quote two posts in which I don't take a stance on you. First quote - I say that I think you're more likely town. Again, this post was very early on in the game (in response to the general concern about your aggressiveness early on), so no one has a clear read on anyone. Second quote (bolded) - I'm still trying to figure out why you quote this. I'm saying that your claim for protection in your assertive first post has viability behind it. If you play really well day 1, find scum, and are really aggressively hunting reds, then scum would obviously want to take you out at night to remove the strongest link in the town. Protection would make sense in that case. Keep in mind, again, that this is early in the game when I have a town read on you. Just a little sidenote here. This post comes almost directly after he says Alzadar is his top scumread: Does this look like he's truly trying to learn about Alz's alignment? Also pretty damning is HE COMPLETELY DROPS ALZADAR FOR THE REAMINDER OF HIS FILTER. Where did that suspicion on him go exactly? The majority of D1, I was working under the assumption that I had correctly pegged MB as red. Alzadar was my first read, and after most of the thread chastised him, his posting shaped up a bit. I was halfway satisfied with his activity, and was curious to see what his play turned into, so I kept off of him. You're right, I didn't keep on him as I probably should have, but I'm curious about him again, and his filter is my next stop. Like...do I even need to keep going? Soniv says what he needs to at the time to appease people. Look at his early responses to my grilling him---tosses out a scumread that means absolutely nothing and then drops it. Questions people without any direction whatsoever. I've already spoken about what I think of his vote/push on MB. He didn't even do the majority of the work on it, he just sat on it. Soniv is absolute primary lynch tomorrow. Look, I understand why you think I'm scum, and I know you're really excited because you think you got one with his hand on his dick. But you're just not correct. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote: Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader. Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power. First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit. Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to. It did remind me of two things as well. 1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol. 2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus. On October 14 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote: If wav and sonib are mommy and daddy, what does that make me? The young twink that daddy's having an affair with? the mistress | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Soniv is absolute primary lynch tomorrow. On October 14 2014 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey cool, Wave is right about a whole bunch of stuff. ##vote: GhandiEAGLE Get out my game jeff. lol 'ey papi, you so fickle I actually think LT was a pretty smart scum target. Most of the thread has been caught up in Soniv v Wave - Battle of the Golems, but LT was the only one sitting on the outside saying "lynching either of them tomorrow is stupid". Getting rid of him assists in stirring the pot. He also was heavy on Jeff, and it's suuuuuuuuuuper easy to say "would I kill the guy accusing me?" (I've done it before). I'm willing to put our differences on hold for now, in our mistress's honor. ##vote: Jeff | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I dont think LT was that heavy on me beyond the fact that I was lurking. He seemed to have cooled off once I was finally able to post. That would be a fucking stupid murder from me. On October 14 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: At work still so this EoN post will be much shorter than what i normally spew out. 1) fking jeff. Im extremely unhappy he's still afk lurking. This isnt making you seem more town you know, and now im really getting serious about tunneling you. If Req can put in effort so can you. yeah, cooled off | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Which would fit with the rest of your play. lol soniv and of course you're willing to bury the hatchet, 'cause it's my hatchet and it would be aimed at your head if not for dis gai over here The fun part is if Jeff flips scum you look eeeeeeven worse (though I suppose I do too for dropping the wagon initially lolol) Eh, if you were really aiming it at my head, you'd be aiming it at my head. You dropped that case quick, and you were so unbelievably excited. Meh, I don't mind looking bad if Jeff dies. We get to kill Jeff and mafiascum. | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:13 GhandiEAGLE wrote: That was before I came out of lurking. I believe his next thing was Good filtering tho ...what? I don't understand how that proves he's at all stopped thinking about tunneling you. And just because you're posting now doesn't mean your not still considered a lurker. You're still in fairly lurky territory when your filter is 3 pages long. Of not a whole lot. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote: TBH the reason I'm avoiding actually saying anything substantial is because I suck at the game and want to play my cards close to my chest until I legitimately learn what good ideas even are in this game. But nobody else is able to throw around anything but baseless conjecture anyways so I don't think that I'm really that far behind in terms of actual tangible contribution. I was trying intentionally to aggravate Wave to bait him into telling me more about the game without me actually asking, in order for me to get better. Wave gets mad in this game really easily though so tbh there was a lot of entertainment value there. One thing I have noticed, is that Coma hasn't been speaking. Is there a precedent for lurkers being scum? This is a really shitty post. Keeping your cards close to your chest is ok, but you had done literally nothing up til that point. Even Req got his reads out there, albeit poorly - you hadn't contributed anything. That said, I'm not so convinced on you after rereading the filter. So for now ##unvote ##vote ComaDose | ||
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On October 14 2014 11:08 Requizen wrote: There are 11 of you left. There are at least 3, possibly 4 of you trying to kill me. And I have no idea which ones. that's the fun of the game! | ||
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Ket Chup, I like your post - The portion about me pocketing people is interesting. It's not at all what I'm doing, but it's interesting. I do think Alzadar is town at this point. I clearly didn't pocket wave - I don't think that's a thing I could do in this game even if I wanted to. Me "pocketing" you really isn't indicative of anything and only looks that way when you frame it with the assumption that I'm trying to pocket people. My interaction with Req that you quoted was legitimately just a "that's the fun of mafia" post. I didn't get around to going through your filter last night, but your case on me is an affirmation for me that you're probably town. You're looking for the right things, just at the wrong person. Now, let me state again, LT was really the only person in thread saying "soniv isn't scum". If you're so interested in looking at his reads, take note of the fact that he didn't think wave or I were really scum. At this point, seeing LT flip green, I think the general thoughts of "one of LT/wave/soniv are scum" are probably off base. Wave isn't scum. Ketchup could be right and wave could be 3p, but I find it unlikely given his post volume. It's going to end up being something stupid like this: On October 14 2014 14:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I'm gonna be pissed if scumteam is something I wouldn't consider like lurk city owb/coma/jeff LT's last mention of myself was that he would be ok with lynching either me or wave if town is unsure for a d2 lynch. Fine, whatever, if end of day comes and it's still completely up in the air, then go ahead and do that. Unfortunately, his top read was still Jeff, and that's a viewpoint I'm not in line with right now. That said: On October 14 2014 13:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'll hold my tongue on this for a few minutes, I think. On October 14 2014 14:05 GhandiEAGLE wrote: AKA I want to vote Soniv right now, but something is holding me back. If you think I'm scummy, then vote for me. If you don't, then post a reason why. LT was the one putting the most focus (I think) on you while he was alive - don't think that you can just sneak away now that he's dead. Now, a couple things have stood out to me since this the pressure has been put onto me: 1. Coma - His only post since ketchup/wave started pushing me: On October 14 2014 13:41 ComaDose wrote: could be interesting to note that soniv and asmo seemed to be leaning on alz and moonbear most This is a classic "scum poking the fire" tactic. He just chirps in to stir things up, but hasn't pushed a vote on me. It did remind me that Asmo parroted a lot of my viewpoints D1, and I was going to call Asmo out for it until his last post on me. The timing of Asmo's post was poor, but I think his motives are in the right place. Coma's are not. He's hardcore lurked and been pretty anti-town in general. 2. Requizen - he hasn't taken a stance on my case one way or the other. Instead, he attacks ketchup... and I'm not really sure why. Because ketchup was trying to get more out of him? Because Req was called out on bandwagoning Coma, and so he's jumping ship? Req, I would love to hear your opinions on the case about me. Gotta run to a meeting, so any questions directed to me won't be addressed for a little. | ||
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On October 14 2014 23:58 Requizen wrote: I have no opinions on Soniv. Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:55 onlywonderboy wrote: Ah okay, sorry about the misquote. I think you're misreading Wave's attempts to lead the town as being manipulative. I think is a direct result of him trying to guide the newbs which actually backfired on him. It also sounds like you're getting really down on yourself because the game isn't going as you hope. That's kinda how I felt during my newbie games. I'm leaning towards Req just being discourage town rather than scum. Really? I see it more as Req continuing to try to convince us that his reads are really just him spouting off stuff that should just be disregarded. On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote: Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before. On October 15 2014 01:03 Requizen wrote: People can push on him all they want. I'm neutral because none of his posts make me think he's scum, but none of his posts jump out to me as someone who's helping town win. I can be neutral or leaning on anyone I want. You don't have to agree with it. On October 14 2014 09:25 Requizen wrote: I am bad at reads. These, along with all of his D1 "but I'm a newwwwwwwbie" whine, paints a situation where he can say whatever the hell he wants - why should anyone listen to it, he's just a bad with bad reads. On October 15 2014 00:25 ComaDose wrote: heh i do tend to post mostly at work... ghandi the safest thing would have been to get on the soniv bandwagon becuase it would have kept me out of the lynching chair. also im pretty sure im the only one that brought up our two dead people voted for you with me. about req im not sure. he seemed so townie to me day one but he has grown a spine. I think he is giving good different views. also he voted for wave day 1 which doesn't seem scummy really cause its kinda a waste. since then he has acted like wave if someone questions him (i.e. spazing a bit or as cixah called it barking at the wind) its a bit hypocritical but maybe he's just grumpy? I cant really see anything hes doing being good for scum. The fact that Req's vote was wasted on Wave is, in fact, in scum's favor. When townies don't consolidate and coordinate, it gives scum a huge advantage because they are coordinated in their own scum QuickTopic thread. It's the same reason I was not on board with Wave's attempt at EoD1 shenannies - it can work, but people have to be very coordinated or it can go poorly for town. Looking through Req's filter, two posts jump out at me: On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote: Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it. I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much. This was ~midday yesterday (RL time), a few hours before D2 post. On October 14 2014 04:54 Requizen wrote: Decent reasoning. I could get behind a Soniv investigation, even if my scum klaxons aren't blaring around him. Also worth noting: ketchup. Again, largely ignored, no large stances taken. Many, many posts of "Why do you think x is scum" "who are your scumreads". Possibly starting fights, possibly starting conversation, but his volume of posting with little commitment is offputting. This was an hour later. He says he'll look into me, and then states he can get behind an investigation on me. But today, some ~16 hours later, he still doesn't have any semblance of a read on me? Or at least refuses to give it. Req, what's the deal. | ||
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still - 10 hours later and the most he can say is "I think there are other people more likely to be mafia" - of course with the caveat of "although I've been wrong before" | ||
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