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On October 14 2014 23:58 Requizen wrote:
I have no opinions on Soniv.

On October 15 2014 00:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I think, in terms of hours, it is pretty late. He only really actually started talking as soon as Soniv began a bandwagon against him.

On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort.

On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent?

On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:

Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before.

On October 15 2014 00:10 ComaDose wrote:
i am referring to what wave previously pointed out that i voted for ghandi when I was unfortunately otherwise occupied and im unlikely to vote for scum.

On October 15 2014 01:24 Alaric wrote:
Why not push for them and point out how they're more suspicious than Soniv to you when prompted about him, them?

Ultimately the game is about lynching mafia, not "not making mistake" and being fine with lynching a random because you couldn't read him.
'cept for D1, but that's because it's hard to have a definite read...

As for Coma:

Uh... yeah. Can't really argue about that, especially since I defended the guys with the "RL stuff" card saying I wouldn't question it. You're unrelated to Ghandi, in that you aren't both scum.

However Ghandi's still the "easy" solution because he's been attacked so much, and without Asmo's case on soniv (and Tolkien dying, which seems to have removed a cushion between Wave and Soniv (or just made it one less person for Wave to argue with so he does it harder with the remaining ones )) he'd still probably be the current bandwagon... alongside you.

I'd say I value consistency, but your circumstances, that make your vote on Ghandi less suspicious, now say that it's not a strong vote either because you didn't have much time or material to be 100% sure of your initial call, eg. circumstances have changed between then and now.
If you didn't have the convenience of Ghandi to place your vote, who would you investigate/pressure? And why?

(I know the arguments against Soniv are solid but if he's your pick it's going to look like a bandwagon... )

On October 15 2014 01:17 onlywonderboy wrote:

Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes?

Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric.

On October 15 2014 01:32 Requizen wrote:

I don't think Coma or ketchup are Mafia. I've given my reasons for voting Coma multiple times, the filter button is up and to the right if you want to read them. I voted for ketchup because he's pissing me off and pressuring me over nothing so I did the same to him.

I don't think my opinion on anyone at this point means anything. My scum read is still Wave. Jeff is town but he's just shitty.

On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:
To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses.

At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally:

-his early "role call" was highly suspicious
-His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing.
-His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard.

These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal.

On October 15 2014 01:41 onlywonderboy wrote:

Everyone's opinion means something. So Wave is your number one scum, here's the last post where you really talk about Wave

Is this still the crux of your argument? Nothing about LT's death changed your mind on Wave? A lot of discussion has happened since this last read. Sometimes reiterating a point is helpful so we don't have to scour a filter to find relevant information.

On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote:

This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion.

These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either:

a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way
or
b) Scum and doing Scum things

Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 15 2014 01:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
Ah okay, sorry about the misquote. I think you're misreading Wave's attempts to lead the town as being manipulative. I think is a direct result of him trying to guide the newbs which actually backfired on him.

It also sounds like you're getting really down on yourself because the game isn't going as you hope. That's kinda how I felt during my newbie games. I'm leaning towards Req just being discourage town rather than scum.

On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:

Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before.

On October 15 2014 01:03 Requizen wrote:
People can push on him all they want. I'm neutral because none of his posts make me think he's scum, but none of his posts jump out to me as someone who's helping town win.

I can be neutral or leaning on anyone I want. You don't have to agree with it.

On October 14 2014 09:25 Requizen wrote:
I am bad at reads.

On October 15 2014 00:25 ComaDose wrote:
heh i do tend to post mostly at work...
ghandi the safest thing would have been to get on the soniv bandwagon becuase it would have kept me out of the lynching chair. also im pretty sure im the only one that brought up our two dead people voted for you with me.

about req im not sure. he seemed so townie to me day one but he has grown a spine. I think he is giving good different views. also he voted for wave day 1 which doesn't seem scummy really cause its kinda a waste. since then he has acted like wave if someone questions him (i.e. spazing a bit or as cixah called it barking at the wind) its a bit hypocritical but maybe he's just grumpy? I cant really see anything hes doing being good for scum.

On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote:
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.

I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much.

On October 14 2014 04:54 Requizen wrote:
Decent reasoning. I could get behind a Soniv investigation, even if my scum klaxons aren't blaring around him.

Also worth noting: ketchup. Again, largely ignored, no large stances taken. Many, many posts of "Why do you think x is scum" "who are your scumreads". Possibly starting fights, possibly starting conversation, but his volume of posting with little commitment is offputting.