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So, a good portion of peoples' suspicion of me seems to be attributed to my supposed disinterest around the D1 lynch. I'm not sure what more to say about it other than what I already have - I wasn't disinterested, I thought MB was scum.
Ket Chup, I like your post - The portion about me pocketing people is interesting. It's not at all what I'm doing, but it's interesting. I do think Alzadar is town at this point. I clearly didn't pocket wave - I don't think that's a thing I could do in this game even if I wanted to. Me "pocketing" you really isn't indicative of anything and only looks that way when you frame it with the assumption that I'm trying to pocket people. My interaction with Req that you quoted was legitimately just a "that's the fun of mafia" post.
I didn't get around to going through your filter last night, but your case on me is an affirmation for me that you're probably town. You're looking for the right things, just at the wrong person.
Now, let me state again, LT was really the only person in thread saying "soniv isn't scum". If you're so interested in looking at his reads, take note of the fact that he didn't think wave or I were really scum. At this point, seeing LT flip green, I think the general thoughts of "one of LT/wave/soniv are scum" are probably off base. Wave isn't scum. Ketchup could be right and wave could be 3p, but I find it unlikely given his post volume. It's going to end up being something stupid like this:
On October 14 2014 14:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I'm gonna be pissed if scumteam is something I wouldn't consider like lurk city owb/coma/jeff
LT's last mention of myself was that he would be ok with lynching either me or wave if town is unsure for a d2 lynch. Fine, whatever, if end of day comes and it's still completely up in the air, then go ahead and do that. Unfortunately, his top read was still Jeff, and that's a viewpoint I'm not in line with right now. That said:
On October 14 2014 13:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I'll hold my tongue on this for a few minutes, I think.
On October 14 2014 14:05 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
AKA I want to vote Soniv right now, but something is holding me back.
If you think I'm scummy, then vote for me. If you don't, then post a reason why. LT was the one putting the most focus (I think) on you while he was alive - don't think that you can just sneak away now that he's dead.
Now, a couple things have stood out to me since this the pressure has been put onto me:
1. Coma - His only post since ketchup/wave started pushing me:
On October 14 2014 13:41 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 13:22 ketchup wrote:
Also of the quick successive votes on Coma, only Alzadar is townie to me. could be interesting to note that soniv and asmo seemed to be leaning on alz and moonbear most
This is a classic "scum poking the fire" tactic. He just chirps in to stir things up, but hasn't pushed a vote on me. It did remind me that Asmo parroted a lot of my viewpoints D1, and I was going to call Asmo out for it until his last post on me. The timing of Asmo's post was poor, but I think his motives are in the right place. Coma's are not. He's hardcore lurked and been pretty anti-town in general.
2. Requizen - he hasn't taken a stance on my case one way or the other. Instead, he attacks ketchup... and I'm not really sure why. Because ketchup was trying to get more out of him? Because Req was called out on bandwagoning Coma, and so he's jumping ship? Req, I would love to hear your opinions on the case about me.
Gotta run to a meeting, so any questions directed to me won't be addressed for a little.
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Also if we're talking about people not contributing much of late I think we should also keep our eye on Alzadar. Right after the night phase ended he interrogated Wave for switching his vote to Jeff, but it's not like going for Wave's throat is an unpopular tactic this game. Then he voted for Coma which I'm pretty sure was an attempt to get him more active, but that's a pretty easy tactic to appear like you're actively helping the town. Again, not changing my vote for the time being, but someone to keep an eye out for as the day progresses. Interested to see what he has to contribute for the day.
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that wasn't the only thing I posted since then and i was pushing you before that too soniv.
that short comment came after the one that alaric didn't like (boo) and highlighted parts of that post. I cant be much poking the fire if I am not posting much.
i'm less confident because my two reads were soniv and ghandi and they seem to be distancing themselves from each other with accusations. I will revisit to see if it is a ploy.
I do KNOW that 3 townies voted for ghandi and that means 0 mafia put their vote there. Combining this with showing up when he was in danger to secure a moonbear kill I will put my money where my mouth is and ##Vote GhandiEAGLE not because he is a default vote, but for the reasons above and because I am not so sure about soniv. jeff did damage control during the night but didn't shake me.
wave mentioned that he changed his vote to soniv because he said that flipping him would reveal more information. I have been saying i thought soniv was scummy for a while if not in so many words. but flipping ghandi red would be so great for my townie cred i could become like the second innocent child. lord tolk seemed to think that soniv would be crazy to be so brazen about lynching moonbear if he was mafia, but he is still my second choice.
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I'm not sure I understand how you know everyone that voted for Ghandi is town. Can you explain?
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I should have said everyone who left their vote on ghandi at the end, which was lord tolk, moonbear, and myself.
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I have no opinions on Soniv.
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On October 14 2014 23:58 Requizen wrote:
I have no opinions on Soniv.
Too late in the day for that Req. You need an opinion and you need one now.
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Then you're going to be terribly disappointed.
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See the night 1 post:
GhandiEAGLE (3): ComaDose, Lord Tolkien, MoonBear
Unless you want him to call himself scum, it makes sense. However, I'm not a fan of the "no scum voted for him so he's more likely to be scum" argument to prove Ghandi scum. Sure it's less likely to happen but that doesn't automatically make him suspicious, I mean look at Asmo he's pretty town and Day 1 he had Tolkien, Wave and myself on his ass. Tolkien flipped green, I believe Wave to be town and so am I, but that doesn't trump the Soniv case Asmo made and somehow turns him scum (if anything, it just shows that we suspected him more, which is also the case for Ghandi).
ComaDose, you're taking a very strong stance against Ghandi with your affirmation there:
On October 14 2014 23:43 ComaDose wrote:
but flipping ghandi red would be so great for my townie cred i could become like the second innocent child.
Are you saying you'd be willing to be marked as scum if Ghandi flips green?
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a little more on ghandi: if you look at his last reads they are even more wishy washy than mine.
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On October 15 2014 00:03 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 23:43 ComaDose wrote:
but flipping ghandi red would be so great for my townie cred i could become like the second innocent child. Are you saying you'd be willing to be marked as scum if Ghandi flips green?
well the logic doesn't work in reverse but it certainly wouldn't look good for me. i am referring to what wave previously pointed out that i voted for ghandi when I was unfortunately otherwise occupied and im unlikely to vote for scum. (thank you by the way for acknowledging this, i havn't posted anywhere else on TL since friday becuase this is the only thread i could barely keep up with)
that no mafia voted for him is not enough alone but like i said in that post you didn't like, it seems to suggest that its more likely scum voted for moonbear too. since jeff bandwagoned on that i consider it two strikes.
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I wonder why you're choosing to push so late in the game Coma? Did you find an opening, or just what you think is an easy, safe target?
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I'm glad to see Coma stepping up, you've convinced me for now.
##Unvote
I would like to hear you talk about Requizen though: you haven't discussed him at all in any of your posts.
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He's not stepping up at all. He hasn't provided much of anything other than a vote he knows will keep certain people off his back. "I think the suspicious guy is suspicious."
I don't think this makes him scum, but he needs to work more for that.
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On October 15 2014 00:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wonder why you're choosing to push so late in the game Coma? Did you find an opening, or just what you think is an easy, safe target?
not so late in the game. i wish i could have been here more earlier. we are still in the first half of day two we got time to change our/each others minds.
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Is it really "late in the game"? It's still the morning of day 2. The Town pressured Coma to take a more active role or hang and he responded, that isn't in itself suspicious.
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I think, in terms of hours, it is pretty late. He only really actually started talking as soon as Soniv began a bandwagon against him.
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Do recall that today is the first day of the game that isn't Thanksgiving Weekend. It's not surprising for Coma's activity pattern to change.
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And since the safest thing was to vote for Coma, and he's Coma, he voted for me instead, the next safest thing. People aren't going to question any reads on me very deeply at all. Additionally he didn't really add anything that hadn't been said about me yet. I feel like he's using my infamy for his safety.
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