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i'd probably lynch slam first. | ||
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On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote: it must be because i like vanilla ice cream plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote: I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that. Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum | ||
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On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote: Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? I find the act of seeking to trap someone town mindset, specially within the start of the game. It generates something to talk about which is good. You. Claimed with your first post in a "cute way" i don't like that. The way you are interacting with the oats/bats situation is weird, sets off my scumdar | ||
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On October 07 2014 02:16 Alakaslam wrote: Hello Bamcis chef of the east side of the west. You said I was skummi earlier with no reasons I wants your reezinz you claimed #lynchwithfire how ever i don't like the smurff more since his claim was his first post + in a cute way | ||
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On October 07 2014 02:10 ObviousOne wrote: ##vote ObviousOne i suppose i'd lynch someone wanting to lynch themselves. Considering its against the rules and all | ||
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On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote: Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote: Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote: From day 1 what I'm getting is oats just over reacting OO acting strangely i admit hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote: At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote: See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE ##Vote liancourt | ||
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On October 08 2014 00:56 Holyflare wrote: it's not a list post it's a reasoned out post about what his reads are in a direct response to someone asking him he he thought was mafia, it follows what I see as a train of thought and a process of elimination which is pretty towny imo And the end result is no one as mafia | ||
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His only "scum read" is then damd which is for asking questions and not giving information. Which that read will change of course when damd talks... you see the pattern. .. | ||
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On October 08 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote: his scum reads would include oo but he's hesitant to add him there and unless you come up with better ideas of who are mafia then you can't really criticise his mafia suspects WRONG...... Nice try to deflect | ||
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On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote: his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4 No that's going against his philosophy of how to play mafia. So reads are not alignment indicative. His struggle on oo alignment is fake as shit too. He doesn't want to pressure because rng, yet is content to call oo strange. How is that a mafia read. As town he shouldn't care about the rng factor concerning oo if he thinks that bh is likely town. Or even null since rng from bh isn't alignment indicative. Thus his caution on oo seems trumped up and fake. | ||
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On October 08 2014 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote oo I tshink this is the pretty clear choice for today. On October 08 2014 02:07 Alakaslam wrote: I don't care at this point ObviousOne gets a lynch fantastic then you 2 won't mind at all giving your insight on my case against liancourt and your thoughts about HF regarding how he responded to my case. since you have nothing better to do | ||
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On October 08 2014 02:27 batsnacks wrote: New people on this site get free town reads from me If you want a better explanation I'll be around for serious later yes i'd like a better reason than policy | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote: It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. I see your pressure against BH as meaningless, since it could be done regardless of your alignment since you have made it apparent that you don't like to lynch via RNG. Hence you could push bh, regardless of your alignment, since its policy form your standpoint. Also your stance to vote OO is why? "na nanna boo boo see i can vote ?" I mean OO is afk. big woop? | ||
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should we just policy lynch you for failure to play the game at this point? | ||
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why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read. | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:04 liancourt wrote: Thought as much you just think my discussion was null because you think its null when it wasn't for me. So we let afkers off scott free? Is that your policy of disregarding everything but tunneling on one person and everything he does? Like I said I'm suspicious of low lyers and OO is one of them. And after reading BH's post which I have said were townie and his arguement against OO i agree with him so I voted OO. Let me ask you this. Are you going to give me your opinion on others or are you going to scrutinize me for everything I do and having an opposite stance on everything? It'd be nice if you gave opinions on others rather than just me. It doesn't give much info on you except for the fact that you are just tunneling me. And after I'm gone town is left with nothing but your filter full of you attacking me. So, your thoughts on others if you will or I might change your stamp to scum. im sorry you all ready town read me you can't change your mind right now. | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:18 liancourt wrote: Well damd scum. Half his filter is filled with questions and only a select few really address some form of issue. It's like he's acting to try and seem active but when really he is on nobody's radar and is low lying. There isn't anything worth mentioning where he put out a genuine case to someone. He just pokes and pokes around. He doesn't follow on anything. Could you go into more detail. | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:30 liancourt wrote: on what grounds he hasnt posted anything of worth yet are you ignoring the 15+ posts he has made in the past hour or something? | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote: @storr you still havent given your reads on anyone else but me. you seem to be lurking around what is it I'll change my read on you from town to scum because you just flatly disregarded my request are you really that self centered? i guess you are | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote: new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG. I'm not pushing him on logic, so why are you reading my case as logic based. I'm saying his reason for not liking RNG is policy. It doesn't matter his alignment for not liking rng, since its policy form his stand point, and stuff like this tends to be "policy" for most people, like wanting to lynch inactives, wanting to lynch people who lie etc. I don't like him because of how he is very non committal to his reads. He is leaving gaps to go back on or change his reads freely. How he was asked directly "tell me who you think are scum" and his response is to make a list post of town, and jot off oo as town, but strange then 2 inactives palmar/myself as "scummy" (policy) and damd for just asking questions. it really bothers me that you are looking at the case, and why people think him as scum for the wrong reasons. I think he is mafia for X reason, you say people read him as mafia for y reason. doesn't add up. i don't like you grack | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. the point is he isn't actually calling anyone scum........................... | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:42 Grackaroni wrote: He's trying to solve the game though. He goes through the thread and picks out the things that he finds alignment indicative and has come up with a bunch of town reads. He suspects the people who haven't been posting because he hasn't found reasons for them to be town. You may not like the way he's playing the game but it doesn't make him scum. so tell me why you he voted OO. | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:42 Grackaroni wrote: He's trying to solve the game though. He goes through the thread and picks out the things that he finds alignment indicative and has come up with a bunch of town reads. He suspects the people who haven't been posting because he hasn't found reasons for them to be town. You may not like the way he's playing the game but it doesn't make him scum. you say a bunch of town reads, i see a bunch of iffy reads, that are "well could be scummy, could be town, ill lead town" reads. | ||
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i mean its a good lynch just, he isn't even bothering to try. BLEH | ||
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On October 08 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote: Probably the worst thing I've read in the thread. can't be that bad if you plan on shooting obi who you think is mafia i mean just 50% bad right? | ||
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.............................. why no more explain plz | ||
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Don't like hopeless, interaction on trying to push off oo felt weird. Would lynch. Null on hf. I read him, my mind is telling me nooooo, but my body... my body is telling me yes | ||
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yep... "iffy" /case seems way to "ok" with how their conversation is flowing between them. largely been "ignoring" hopeless even though he has had several conversations with him. could the scum team be that simple? O_o | ||
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On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote: You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game. Disagree i see it as obi wanting to do something since OO was afk. obi as town would want something to be happening, so he is doing something, even if its complaining. | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:40 KelsierSC wrote: But I didn't like how he said he would rather lynch storr/damd over them. And his reason for not voting OO at that time was bad imo. THen that reason to vote OO was like "o someone called me out, see ill vote OO and now you can't say anything bad now" | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: BATSNACKS. WHY ARE YOU VOTING DAMDRED AND NOT HOPELESS? cause bad, just ignore him. | ||
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fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] | ||
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about your input? lack luster and meaningless. doesn't add anything for the conversation nor drive it into something productive. short and meant to stifle conversation. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote: No I mean what did you think about Liam's interaction with the claims? someone what fine. questioning hf being justifiably cautious. (hf had just claimed vig, then pulls the claim off, claims cop etc) I'd say liancourt had been around for the flip and had waited to speak. (since he was up to date with the shenanigans from hf) So he avoids talking about Hopeless, and instead keeps the conversation about questioning HF. Even if he suspects HF to be a troll/ not telling whole truths, the entire time the end result is we still don't know where liancourt stands on hopeless. Something major has come up, yet no progression has come of it. On October 09 2014 14:39 liancourt wrote: what this? I already think of damdred as scummy so i do I need to follow up with this? Which brings me back to damdred, he isn't following up with any of his scum reads. Sure he is happy to call people directly scum now, but there is 0 effort in convincing people what direction to go. Instead its "yeah i called him scum a second time what do you want" Thus i find his interaction with HF similar. No end conclusion, no actual drive from him to expose something truthful, instead it seems to be more focused on what HF is doing, and figuring that out rather than figuring out HF's alignment / alignment of hopeless. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote: yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote: because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here" | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: So now that your top mafia, hf, has said he isn't actually the cop and so doesn't have a check on hope. you still want to push on it and won't consider anything else. or apparently talk >< | ||
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still hold Iiam as scum? updated thoughts on right now? | ||
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On October 10 2014 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Nobody listening to my "red check" or wut? WELL ITS A "RED CHECK" WHICH YOU THEN KINDA PULLED OFF BEING THE FULL REAL COP SOO.. WHATS IT MATTER | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not in any predicament. You are the only person in the entire game that thinks I'm mafia. stop giving a shit then | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:42 KelsierSC wrote: can you stop dodging and explain it to me. obi is cop with green on hf. hf who is also cop has red on hopeless simple lets just lynch hopeless or liam cause why not | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You video mafia guys always have the weirdest sense of roleclaims. This is not true. And this is why you need to get yourself out of the tunnel. wasn't being serious dork | ||
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On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote: you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:09 liancourt wrote: he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me. ok that still isn't a reason for you to do nothing | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:15 liancourt wrote: [insert more complaints] yeah about them scum reads | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:18 liancourt wrote: it's like what you're doing so I don't see why I have to comply with your requests as you didn't do mine either on d1. i thin kyou called me self-centered when I asked so there. isn't it super convenient when you can't actually make a case on anyone. Hell you could just ignore me and explain why hopeless is a bad lynch. How ever you keep bringing up that you can't make a case on your top 2 scum reads. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote: you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me. ##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you? | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote: arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i liked the fight he had with hf man and i see a lot of his complaints are similar to what i have had. day 1, was a very crappy lynch. i mean woot we got an afk mafia. but it was so stale. i dont think what he did near the end of the day was that scummy, i think people pushing off the lynch early is when mafia would be stepping in. hopeless in particular strikes this. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote: What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum? Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before. So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn. you bitching about my lack of reads from a single person isn't going to make me do anything. thats the logic. i picked you at the start of the game. before anyone else got a conclusion. I then watched you, waited for you to do something productive, when you hadn't that's when i made my full blown case. you still are doing a very poor job in convincing anyone else to do 1. not vote hopeless (cause you think he is town idk why) 2. put pressure on me. 3. put pressure on damd | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:35 Blazinghand wrote: You're correct-- I do think a valid mafia strat would be "oppose the lynch at first when it starts to look dangerous, then go along with the wagon if it seems inevitable", and the players who did this should be heavily scrutinized. However, I can't see any motivation for OWS' attempted shenannies. He says it was a joke or whatever, but the timing and the choice and the backpedal (when just reading the shenanny thing it doesn't seem that joking) don't seem particularly joking to me. I want you to bear in mind that a successful shenanningan LOOKS like a joke, because it *IS* a joke. I am the shenannigan king, I know how they work. It's a deconstruction of allt he long wagon-building into one final moment where every statement, every vote counts, and glorious things can happen, and nothing about it seems somber. The mood reflecrts a joking mood, so you can't say "he sounded like he was joking" and make it like it WASN'T a real shennanigan attempt. The fact of the matter is, OWS made a serious attempt to do a last-minute derail of the lynch. When push came to shove, he tried to save OO, who had no posts except a couple scummy posts and bad scumminess, and who flipped scum. When it comes down to the line, that's when you find out who you are. And that's who OWS is when the veil is pulled back: he is scum. and here i am saying i didn't think it was a serious attempt so..... why not hopeless? | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote: I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make. why is it so hard for you to take 10 mins to show what you are talking about instead of just talking out of your waszzzoo for all the credit HF gave you day 1, with how your town read of "bh" evolved, your evolution of your scum reads over the game have not changed at all. The same case you made against me day 1, is the same case you have day 2. and "nothing" has changed. because "im not reading other people as you claim" thus you have no ability or will to bother growing your read on me. (copy paste this for palmar/damd too what not) | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:39 Blazinghand wrote: because it WAS a serious attempt. I legit haven't read hopeless1's filter, it's possible he's scum too-- I was voting him previously because hf had a red check on him. I'll dive hopeless and see what people think about him and get back to you, but right now the main reason why not hopless is that OWS is absolutely 100% scum specifically look at his interaction regarding "oo" and lian, i say lian because that is who hopeless talks about the most, yet sides with the "oo" vote cause "ill end up here anyway" | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:44 liancourt wrote: pro scum strat picking one person before he does anything. Town should be looking at the whole picture and finding things odd in it not tunnel visioning one player and seeing if he fucks up or not. It's like you're saying you wanted to find any reasons which I can blame him for being scummy. no you had done something, which is why you caught my eye. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:46 liancourt wrote: the answer is apparently this one, but I'm gonna say the thing about RNG because everyone else thinks so. Yea so go analyze that and this post. gesh thats so wrong. your rng shit has nothing to do with why you are mafia lol | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:55 liancourt wrote: how about actually doing something besides talking to me or asking others' opinions of me? how about something not related tome like... giving reads on others hmm? then i can analyze you. Or maybe you don't wnat that to happen so you're having this nonsensical farce with me that's getting absolutely nowhere. i scum read hopeless and posted it... "bam" go make a case | ||
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On October 10 2014 23:54 KelsierSC wrote: has anyone stepped in to defend lian at any point? HF/bats maybe more. thing is people are willing to call him scum, even agree with points made against him, how ever no one seems to be putting their vote with their mouth. (hopeless day 1 for example) | ||
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On October 11 2014 00:42 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but I don't think store's reason for scum reading Liam is because he's new. And that's what Liam said. correct, nor does it have to do with his rng stuff on bh | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:32 liancourt wrote: Dude that random random vote...I dont even wanna read your fluff infested filter now. You dug your own grave. Gg hope. what.............. | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:32 liancourt wrote: Dude that random random vote...I dont even wanna read your fluff infested filter now. You dug your own grave. Gg hope. DOES THIS NOT BOTHER ANYONE? hope was clearly joking, and look how serious lian takes it, way to serious........ this trumps his reason to read and look into the filter. and has now "dug his own grave" because of rng joke vote clearly mimicking bh.... hell i bet the math is wrong too | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:43 Holyflare wrote: It baffles me that 100% of the people aren't on hopeless yet meh i've stated my opinion on him. if i need to vote him i will | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:04 Blazinghand wrote: I'm assuming he's lying about the math since his vote ended up on the wagon you'd expect him to vote to save himself, and he's trolling. I'll check. meh nvm maybe this isn't as serious as i thought. lian did vote hopeless after hopeless did move his vote to obi. but i think that statement was clearly trolling by hopeless and regardless he has to vote obi since thats the only other wagon today that might go instead of him. so while not as strong, i still think thats kinda bs from lian to drop reading hopeless and vote him. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:07 Blazinghand wrote: what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? because its badsnacks also note lian really wants to push damdred (i think still.. since he pulled his pressure off me) yet jumps to hopeless instead cause of that bs reason so.... | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I lynched Palmar when I could've lynched SD. I'd say that's anything but the path of least resistance. lets be honest, that was just hilarious on your end. + you had no idea hf was going to hammer. you would have looked decent for trying to pull it off a town flip sd. so it was benefit to you. sure doesn't align with "least resistance" but it does set you up, for least resistance for the next day. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote: This would make 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Alakaslam 5. Grackaroni 6. liancourt 7. KelsierSC 8. batsnacks 9. Holyflare 10. BlazingHand 11. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg His post count for the post is 23091395. 23091395 mod 12 is 11. So he did in fact RNG OWS, legitimately. Looking at the timing of his other posts on the site, he didn't game it. lets say, it was possible the system was gamed. I mean the end result is, hopeless landed on someone that has a chance to be pushed over himself. Even if its not gamed, it stands to reason that hopeless is still "trolling" by doing this rng vote, since it mimics bh rng day 1. So still makes liam reason to push hopeless kinda weak, do you agree bh | ||
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You are TMz. You really don't care who wins or loses, you just want to get as much press no matter how much truthiness it may have. Every night you may pm the host #delayedmediablitz PlayerName; that player will receive a media image injury (1KP) at the start of the day 1 cycle from now (eg. if you target someone on Night 1, they will be hit by 1 KP at the start of Day 3). You start with a bullet-proof vest to protect yourself from players like Plexico Burress (it takes 2 KP to kill you). You are a Third Party Poisoner. so i'm correct in assuming you wouldn't know if you have been psn'd yes? and its possible the psn could have been hit by the mafia then? | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote: HF asked if I was framed..what are you talking about? and...yes to both questions. if vig is real, what happened in the night. O_o | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote: If anyone wants to lynch not hopeless you have to absolutely prove to me why he is not mafia. I don't want to hear something like "because of obi". what about "because of liam" | ||
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both my scum targets want him dead, if he flips town they both look worse. if he flips scum, then that means i probably am reading 2 townies wrong. regarding hopeless, case woot nice job. this makes me consider damd as a possibility. liam makes me not want to consider damd because his inability to make a case on damd. (his original insight struck a cord, and i wanted to know more, as well as see what he would do if he pressured damd more, instead i was meet with "why don't you make more reads storr" / "i can't read someone who is just scum reading me with no other reads" ) which also brings me to HF, and his badgering. i don't like the phrasing "perfect defense". / yet i can agree that damd did well on his defense. I still think the major point on obi back peddling and trying to force it off "oo" near the end isn't valid at all. That is surely at the point where "oo" is saying to his scum buddies sack me good long and hard. So i don't see it as a possibility for scum obi to make those remarks. So this still brings me back to liam who i have been "tunneling" for a while now, and pushing him. With plenty of people saying "yes he scummy" yet unwilling to push him more. and hopeless, who i think is scum regarding his interactions with the "oo" lynch. I find his timing, far more indicative of scum behavior before "oo" has told his team he doesn't care and is giving up. | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:22 KelsierSC wrote: Please spell my name properly 😞 idk why he does it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:39 KelsierSC wrote: Ok slam that Just isn't helpful can you give me where you are at with regards to hope,obi,Lian and dam in coherent form i still want lian to read obi and vice versa i doubt this will happen unless he actually has pressure and looks like he would be the lynch. or if you do get a response, its not going to be what you are looking for, its not going to provide anything insightful, to push you one way or another. its just going to be meh | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:41 KelsierSC wrote: I don't even understand the first point about eu time zones and you being shot. i think he means, near deadline when he was going nuts. just not sure if he means 1. because he was going nuts, mafia wanted to shoot him. So mafia had to be active at this time. or 2. because he was going nuts, it was bad for mafia to shoot him, thus mafia had left the kill on him before hand and happened to not be around to change the kill to someone else. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:43 Holyflare wrote: After i did all the shenanigans i was quite obviously town. Thw mafia shot didn't happen because they shot me. People shooting me = people not around to see the shenanigans and me being obviously town. liam was around i think... based on his activity, i think he would have been around for the flip, yet he was not active at the time, and waited (hour or so? ) to post | ||
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i'm still hung up on day 1 stuff with obi which is why i don't want to vote him.. So i'm very against his lynch.. | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:55 Blazinghand wrote: what do you mean by hung up on day 1 stuff? the day 1 stuff is the scummiest stuff. which i whole heartily disagree with. So help me understand why day 2 obi has been playing scum, other wise get back on hopeless or help me lynch liam. Since hopeless day 1 is far scummier than the shit your talking about regarding obi. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:23 Alakaslam wrote: I find it amusing, during the timing I wanted to be misread, folks were in a firm "slam is untouchable" mindset Now folks be like "I have no clue what he is" Like you all drunk foh dayz? Sloooooooow reaction times. Everyone all like "slam maybe scum taunting us? Mebbe he is scum?" When all n1, it was like 10,000 yandere at HF Like srs What could yandere mean but poison? And acted like BH not gonna die. That was other 3p the martyr claim. But only now, after I had been yelling "I AM SKIMMU ATTAX ME" day 1 now ppl waking up to see some train left on a plane long ago. 7. English is the official language. Please use English only, and make an attempt to spell check and type coherently. Ceci est un site anglophone. V沠s堶ennlig 堢enytt engelsk p堤isse sidene. Engels is de offici묥 taal van deze site, gaarne geen andere taal gebruiken dan Engels. 영어 전용 사이트입니다. 영어를 사용 해주세요. このサイトは英語を共通語とするので、サイトへの書き込みは原則として英語でお願いします。 Diese seite ist offiziell in Englisch gehalten. 英语是官方语言,请用英语。 Ingles es el lenguaje oficial de este sitio. Use English, please. yeah.. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:25 Blazinghand wrote: about the h1 case? I honestly don't care and don't want to bother reading it. I've accepted that none of you can see what's obvious, and h1 gets lynched today. since there's nothing I can do to change your minds, and it doesn't matter what I think, I will just blandly hope h1 flips scum. reading crap about him changes nothing. If you honestly think that me refuting the h1 case could convince you to vote OWS, then I'll refute the case for you, but otherwise I see no reason to bother. the guy's dead anyways. no i want you to prove other points than what you listed about day 1 crap regarding ows. I believe that doesn't make him mafia. You disagree. So, find something else and convince me. How is that hard? why are you unwilling to develop your read. secondly, you could switch to liam and help me lynch him instead....... | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nevermind, I know you don't want to vote me. Where do you stand on Hopeless? liam >>>>>>>(bats)*>>>>>>>>>>>>> holy > damnd > obi if i had an order for possible lynches today *+ Show Spoiler + only cause he pissing me off and is and idiot | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:33 Alakaslam wrote: K if you gonna start enforcing that I am banned a long time ago. 1. I have a bazillion one liners 2: memes out the window 3: flaming trolling and baiting 4: martyring 5. Talking about stimey d okmg fish 6. Massive images like what is that even 7. Gif a bunch 8; THERE IS NO 8 9: Numbedr nyne, Numbedr nyne, Numbedr nyne, turn me on, deadman 10) big nose, comb forward haircut, grinning 11- CHUPAZI 12$ it's like you said, no spanish- ¡HIJOLE! No Swahili- CHUPAZI again, no Russian (nuclear winter mafia) Like srs put dat back or kick me out with complain to GMarshal. If you srs do that I will recommend you go to Smashboards. You should get along fine with HBC | Ryker and HBC | Anus and HBC | Dolt cool. i can't wait to talk post game | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So...you think he's scummy? I really don't see any conclusion being drawn there. conclusion [X] scum? [] not scum? | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:38 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on H1 is 1. H1 doesn't explain anything about 90% of his reads. he has many "these people are odd" reads. 2. H1 reads damd and lian as being scum, and instead of pushing them, townreads a bunch of other people. 3. The townreads he throws up are nonsensical and don't come from any reason 4. HF acted scummy and H1 townread HF for it is this accurate? add H1 defended "oo" H1 had been pushing liam day 1, then decided to just vote "oo" because "ill end up here" | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote: Yes well when you've been posting like you have people find it impossible to interact with you because you make it seemingly impossible to read any of your posts so people don't even want to start to interact with you further because they have to read text that says wtf to them. We are only humans with a limited patience to interact with things that don't follow the conventional norms of sentences and such. While some people find it fun, a lot of them do not. I don't want you banned and that isn't storrs intention either i am pretty sure he is just a little frustrated that you don't play conventionally. I'll try and interact with you better at least if you try and answer me in a way i can understand properly. i just want to fucking understand............and for him to push do something productive | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:51 Blazinghand wrote: Sure, you weren't trying to save OO, just 'jokingly' lynch someone who wasn't OO... thereby saving OO. annnnd if you had been in the last game, this whole joke, is actually funny and painful at the same time. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Storr, can you do me a favor and vote Hopeless? Lian isn't getting lynched today. you in danger of being lynched? | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:07 Blazinghand wrote: Storr, vote OWS. Look at him. Or just look at his D1 and tell me he's town! Tell me that based of his D1 contributions, and his attempt to save his scumbuddy, OWS is town! Do that. please. and like a broken record player no no no no (i read him town for day 1) | ||
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You need to convince me IF you really want to lynch him, why he is acting scummy PAST day 1. its honestly a big cluster fuck of waste of time to keep going on about day 1 stuff, when i think day 1 isn't scum. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:14 liancourt wrote: what if we vote to tie? what does that tell us? we're both scum? who is we? | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:16 Blazinghand wrote: well he kinda isn't acting scummy after D1, so I don't know what to say. D1 is what's impotant fantastic lets not lynch him then | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:19 Holyflare wrote: Wow lian admitting he's mafia if i admit to being his team mate can we lynch him? | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:35 Holyflare wrote: Anyone wanna switch to palmar for the lolz? OMG CAREFUL BH CLALL YOU SCUM FOR DISSSS | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont even know anymore. storr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Is there a fucking case for me to defend against? Scum: My attempts to derail OO's lynch are claimed to be policy reasons. Town: I was trolling HF, end of discussion. Scum: I didnt push lian's lynch D1. Town: We lynched mafia. Cry me a fucking river. Scum: Unexplained townreads Town: A) they didnt need explaining because they were clear as fucking day. B) I explained them anyways. What else you got? wat regarding liam. i suppose its correct "you didn't push your scum read of liam" | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote: if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote: unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote: You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:12 liancourt wrote: i think my vote on damdred is far sufficient on pushing him, What else can I do when the big debate of today is between you and obi. And me pushing obi now will mean a tie but i want this debate over so I can move on to lynching damdred. Doing the far more important part when it comes to lynching mafia. step 1, find scum suspect (check) step 2, convince people to lynch scum suspect. (which you have not done all game regarding any of your scum suspects) | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote: You've already tried pushing lian. I tried pushing damdred. Neither of us got anything done. Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. Right now, palmar being lynched is more likely than either of them. yet your on the chopping block, and you think obi is town. so........................................... im not on the chopping block i can do what ever the fuck i want cause im town too. (palmar isn't going tobe lynched) | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote: I'm saying meh because you both could be town yeah........................................................... so liam ? | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:25 liancourt wrote: nah i claimed being superman and being part of team U & I On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote: it must be because i like vanilla ice cream plain as can be | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:52 Damdred wrote: you really should apologize to me after the game for our tunnel hopeless WAT | ||
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On October 11 2014 13:12 Holyflare wrote: Sadly this game might well contain 3p's so finding them is ridiculously hard considering a framer and rb are now dead. yep | ||
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On October 11 2014 13:15 Holyflare wrote: I'm likely poisoned if it's a poisoner or you are the psner O_o doesn't matter right now. | ||
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yet picked damd instead... O_o if he is scum, which he flipped. why didnt he go for the easier liam push, rather than pushing damd which was much much harder DING DING WINER WINNER CHICKEN DINER | ||
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3. Palmer 5. Alakaslam would lynch because not doing anything. He was also on obi which is - points for him. 6. Grackaroni wouldn't consider tomorrow as a claimed vig. 7. liancourt #lynchwithfire 8. KelsierSC agree with a lot of the comments lately about him. I think the most recent lynch makes him look worse. Before this i felt he seemed reasonable with how he interjected in the game. Glancing at his filter and looking at when he mentions the 2 lynches and how often, his lack of discussion on h1 is kinda odd, while he keeps tons of focus on obi. (and pushing obi). probably need to reread closer but early in the game he had a town read on obi, and then it changed. 9. batsnacks would lynch. don't think he is actually doing anything. i did town read him for his "trap bait" what not. him going back to h1 matters a bit near the end. he still is probably town, just not worth trying to talk to. 10. Holyflare town 11. BlazingHand I think bh looks worse atm, not bad enough to be lynched day 3, the whole deal with him trying to convince me to vote obi based off day 1, and not evolving his read is a bit disturbing. specially since he said obi hadn't done anything that scummy n1/d2. 13. ObiWanShinobi still think he is town, pushed on him being town. was ready to insure he wasn't lynched over h1. | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:20 liancourt wrote: don't know why you insist I make a will when U & I are equally guilty of not picking a side yesterday. kel and obi are far more suspicious than me. mainly cause you pestered h1 about it. and there is a good chance vig shoots you so. you should you know make a will take it as if yourself is giving yourself the advice | ||
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On October 12 2014 12:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shoot indiscriminately into the people on my wagon. The sooner those question marks disappear the better. Lian's vote is counterintuitive in terms of saving Hopeless, so unless you think his gameplan was to get bussed/attacked by his partner at the outset of the game, he's probably town. And I don't put faith into HF's roleclaims anymore since he claimed like 50 billion roles so far. while the vote was "counter intuitive" it was also not helpful considering he wasn't even trying to figure out who was mafia between obi and hopeless. | ||
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On October 12 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote: Waiting for Storrzergs reaction DAMN | ||
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On October 12 2014 20:13 Holyflare wrote: damd is probably the last mafia and kelsier is poisoner tbh why damd? i thought you had super town read on him | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:19 Damdred wrote: Storr could very well be poisoner, maybe mafia. He wasn't on the hopeless wagon was he? He was on liam looking for shenanigans, its a posibility for me to be psner, there has to be a medic since no way i was shot n1. (or vet) my stance on h1 and obi was clear. more clear then half the people voting h1 | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:18 Holyflare wrote: all storr has done all game is push town liam and then fallen off completely, he could be poisoner too just for not thinking about anything in the game and defend obi and push h1... yesterday | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:35 KelsierSC wrote: Looking at the votes slam and store would be good lynches because they didn't vote on obi. why again would i be voting on obi who i was saying was town.. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:37 KelsierSC wrote: Wait hold on i got that backwards. i meant they didn't vote on hope, mafia cant be in the hope vote i had clear stance on obi/h1. find someone who didn't have a clear stance | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:48 KelsierSC wrote: Slam you realise the vote was 6-4 in favour of hope at the end. If you are mafia you can just switch onto obi. yes then fall into the trap with storr hammering h1 grats | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:59 Alakaslam wrote: You're not even reading what we are saying. I trolled a little too hard, oh well. Anyway, HolyFlare was incredibly town while palmar actually was NOT townie at all, ows. In fact I voted him a couple times and I think others at least FoS him at a few points. HolyFlare survived, no scum shot went through, he claimed he Roleblocked hopeless and that stopped mafia kill or mediced BH or cop checked hopeless or Or wow this guy is not scared of blue fakeclaims. Why not? As town, doing this stuff is incredibly dangerous. You can screw town over massively so bad that we have a worst bloopers nomination thing in a nomination thread. rb does not stop faction kill from mafia. its been posted a bazillion times | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:10 KelsierSC wrote: Storr I'm.just using process of elimination and basically the votes prove dam as town yo me. i don't think you are mafia based on your hard defence of obi and you pushed on hope. Plus the way you went on lian felt towny even if it was wrong. slam is probably last mafia. Dont know about poisoner yet i dont give 2 shits if its PoE for you. if you are going to label me as scum you better have a reason. and poe for you doesn't determine damd as town, it means it is not mafia in your eyes. thats some bad PoE to just leave "psner hanging around" like this. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:17 Alakaslam wrote: That is my point storr but thank you for reading read in full still can't tell whats serious and not.... | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:02 Palmar wrote: I need to do math though. Grack can't shoot any more townies (hehe) so we're down to 2 anti-town kp. 6v1v1. assuming mislynch (and poison hits town) it'll be 3v1v1. Assuming that HF is a dick and sends in a kill tonight, if we lynch him tomorrow it'll be 3-1 with 2 townies (or maybe mafia, if he hits one) dying, basically allowing HF to decide the game. tl;dr if there is 3 mafia, we can literally lose this game outright with even a single mislynch. I just realized this. Fucking hell Grack, Also means there is literally nothing we can do but lynch HF today unless he actually CLAIMS poisoner and promises to hold his poison and just take the win if we end up in a 3v1 or something. Like I really don't want to lynch HF because I got so fucking mad when mafia did this shit to me. meh ##unvote ##vote Holyflare Hate this post. Fake rage. | ||
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It pushes the game forward. A shot on slam, flipping vt is bad. Liam was very tied up with h1. He would have been likely misslynched today. It's fairly reasonable conclusion. It was also safe to town read him near end of n2, because Grack didn't have much choice in changing to kel. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:18 Damdred wrote: Liam would not of been mislynched today at all, I would not of voted for him 100%. He was so towny at the eod. Easy to claim since he is dead | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:24 Damdred wrote: Meh Palmar said im the last mafia but is starting a push on HF. I think HF is dead after tonight's cycle anyway (sorry hf) And we will have disagreement about that storr. Why not give out your reads of everyone in the game left storr, you were caught by liam for so long Why not give my reads? Are you bad? | ||
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no claim on anything. Bh was shot n1 | ||
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Because unlikely mafia stacked with vig on oats. We have 3 deaths. Liam by vig. Bh by ??? Bats by ??? Bh was mafia kill, he was shot n1. And it makes sense to hit who you shot n1 again n2. Because nerfed medic, or vet, or psn. Killing bh even after h1 died would confirm who is in the game. Mafia also don't know if a psner is in the game at this time. Why was bat snacks killed by psn and not mafia. Mafia have no reason to kill him. He is disruptive even as confirmed town. Mafia had bigger fish to fry n1. So that leaves psn. Bats is targeted because he is unlikely to be shot by mafia, 2 nights in a row. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:58 Holyflare wrote: if there's a vet that took a bullet or another medic you should absolutely cc this storr claim btw No they shouldn't claim. I'm not claiming either role. | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote: So storr slam is the poisoner? very unlikely | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:44 StorrZerg wrote: Should relook who thought badsnacks was mafia day 1 / n1 That's psner. i take this statement back. psn is more likely looking to secure the kill. so more likely to have a null opinion or to distance himself from bats slam i'm almost certain is not the psner since bats died | ||
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1. insure your target dies day 2 start with a n1 psn. Means don't stack with mafia (eliminates bh as possible psn target since he would be heavily looked at by mafia. killing a mafia is far less important than i thought for psn. mafia died day 1, so he doesn't need to find and kill mafia to help out town. So the most important thing is killing someone who will be alive and won't be lynched. Bats fits this day 1, he was town read by majority of town. He also really didn't help the lynch. So he would be unlikely to be shot by mafia, and anyone who played last game would know he can be a pain, and unlikely to take a leadership role even if he was more important this game. Mafia wouldn't see him as a threat from the psner perspective. Mafia would be focused on killing people figuring out the game, who are on the right path. Thats what the psner would be thinking n1. If psner was around for late night crap from hf, they are even more likely to not target anyone that hf was calling out at. So a psner who thought bats was mafia, and targeted him n1, isnt likely. just doesn't make sense want to call me out for more back peddling damd? | ||
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being the 4th and 5th votes. at the time. | ||
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On October 11 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote: I think the three people up for lynch tommorow should be Liam, Kel and (unfortunatly) Damdred. I think Bats will end up pushing me with liam possibly, the vet should probably shoot into this group of three to help funnel conversation. this is after h1 lynch. doesn't seem like you think liam is town yet................................................................................................................................. since phrasing is "should be" | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:40 Holyflare wrote: obi could actually have slipped that he's mafia what do you mean? | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:10 Holyflare wrote: Damd is mafia storr. It explains why hopeless stuck to his dand mafia read with such a shit case. unless damd was shot n1 (idk why) and they know he is either psn or medic save and wanted to see information based on that push. if damd is mafia its less likely kel is psner. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:33 Holyflare wrote: this doesn't make sense at all seeing as he lied about knowing the MAFIA kills ? what are you talking about | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:37 Holyflare wrote: literally what i wrote just on the last page!?!? he said i was going to die tonight despite palmar and everyone pushing that i was poisoner who was SHOT n1, if he thought this wasn't the case (that i was poisoner) he must have thought there was a medic in which case i wouldn't be dying tonight anyway you then posted about the bh thing and when i called him out on being overcertain and knowing what you said was true he used you posting about the bh thing as justification of his previous thing about me dying despite that occurring AFTER. i can agree on the bold stuff. i don't think what he said about you dieing is that bad. it is likely you will die tonight, you have been very active, pushing town in the right direction etc, its not a far thing to suspect. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:25 KelsierSC wrote: why is it more likely there is a medic than mafia shot poisoner? because mafia would have shot the psner last night. When mafia made the kill n1. And after h1 died day 2. They didn't know what they had shot, if it was vet, psner, or a medic save. If it was medic save, they know for certain they can kill that person now. 2 killing psner is good for them since only 1 mafia is left. So they put shot on same person, its not worth leaving a confirmed medic save alive. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote: i'm really tempted just to peace out and laugh when i flip vanillia. Your the strongest player left hf and most likely to either of gotten poisoned last night or nk targeted tonight, you pushed the most likely to be mafia so whatever. fantastic don't fight to live. don't help us figure out the game | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:36 Holyflare wrote: yes slam has tried to jump onto every single wagon that is going part of why i think kel is more likely mafia than damd. seems mroe likely the other mafia was on obi. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:38 KelsierSC wrote: So here is my thoughts right now about poisoner. Say mafia shoots poisoner last night. Firstly mafia has to hope he doesn't get vigi shot, and then with only 1 kp he has to get like 3 ML's. Is my math right on that? Either way it is possible that mafia member needs to preserve 2 KP. mafia doesn't know a psner is in the game last night though. we only confirmed psner is in this game when we woke up this day. Mafia doesn't half to hope. It was pretty clear who was going to be shot by the vig. Conclusion, they can't have known if their n1 shot was on a medic or psn. Continuing with the shot, confirms to them whats in the game, + psner still would get a second kill even after death (correct?) By killing who they shot n1, it confirms whats going on in the game, and lets the last mafia have the most possible information going into this day. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:52 StorrZerg wrote: does a medic save, prevent someones death from psn? see real medic would know this question | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:53 Holyflare wrote: yes it does hence why i wouldnt die to anything tonight unless double stack this is only the case if you didnt get saved last night. Considering all things, its likely you could have been saved last night, and didn't get saved n1. | ||
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On October 14 2014 07:30 Damdred wrote: because the most frustrating thing in the game is trying to do stuff or putting an idea out. Getting red checked by half of the people some of which haven't been playing at all and thats all i hear lie lie lie lie, mafia mafia mafia who is mafia then | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:25 Palmar wrote: Just in case of shenanigans. Damdred is most likely mafia. If you lynch me, you HAVE to hit scum tomorrow (unless something weird happens). You literally cannot even try to hit the poisoner, as that has a chance of losing the game. If Damdred is not it, we probably lost anyway, but just in case something weird happens (maybe damdred will die tonight from poison or something) Kel is not mafia. I've explained this quite a few times. He is my number 1 townread aside from the confirmed vigilante. I am fairly confident in this read. Make sure that you understand it. - 1. He called me scum all day 1, then changed his mind completely during n1. Shows he's actively thinking about the game - 2. He repeatedly follows up on questions and gets annoyed when he isn't being replied to. This is kinda hard to fake as mafia. Obi seems sorta content we're not lynching him, but he did push mafia so I guess we'll have to give him a pass. I'd like him to be more involved in figuring things out today. Slam jumps every wagon in sight, while I have good reasons to think HF is mafia, he didn't even need it explained to him at all, he just blindly joined my wagon on hf. If damdred is not mafia or hf is not poisoner, he is a good alternate candidate. Storr's contributions today have been... meh. He's super "cold" I guess I'd call it. He's another good shot of flipping mafia. If damdred flips town, I think tomorrow has to be between slam and storr. I don't wanna make a call without re-reading them, and also, I kinda think damdred will flip mafia and this will sort itself out. Holyflare is likely the poisoner. Mafia probably shot him n1, he didn't die, he rekt scum, scum got butthurt and outed him. We can't lynch him from now on today (I can't be the only one who has to sleep earlier?), so you can ignore him tomorrow. Don't let him endgame you though if this goes to 2v1 with poisoner alive. problem is mafia couldn't have known hf was psner at that time. Considering they had no idea a psner was around when h1 died so very large flaw in that thinking | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote: if kelsier is poisoner he straight up just gets lynched tomorrow if a kill doesn't go through so would he really play it out like this and be a dick when he's pretty much lost the game? still could have a medic save | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:31 KelsierSC wrote: my d2 was incredibly towny , just my vote was wrong. dam did qq but then came back to the thread and he has been actively figuring out the game. plus all the things i wrote about bs kind of make me think palmar is psnr not dam. dam is not mafia tbh based on votes. why not. Last person to vote "oo" didnt pressure anyone else day 1. (via votes, yet liked my case on liam, but didnt put his vote down to pressure liam) sort of defended "oo" day 1, didnt want to vote him. Was the last person to vote "oo" Was the 3rd person to place his vote on h1 day 2. A few mins before palmar. Yet tried to push liam with me instead, that didn't go anywhere though. | ||
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Really tried to direct pressure off "oo" kept pointing out that bh rng came in at a bad time (when lots of hf pressure was being said by himself) Latter thinks bh is ok, yet still attacks rng. / tries to push other lynches besides "oo" "framer issues" pushes obi fairly hard instead of h1. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:43 KelsierSC wrote: I made it clear I thought OO was scum after he just abandoned the thread. Was there a really huge push by anyone d1 of any consequence. you pushed on lian, yep. can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Palmar came into the thread really late and I gave a pretty hard scum read of him, I also gave good reasons why liam is mafia, some of them you included in your big post. but I am not going to push a lynch on someone and maybe ML when it is clear OO is mafia. I wasn't directing pressure away. at the time bh came in with his RNG I really felt it was disruptive to the thread. I don't see how that makes me scummy if I get annoyed when town gets disrupted. and this obi thing is just silly, he was scummy, lots of town agreed with me. I led a push on him. I didn't just sit back or switch to an easier target. bh made huge push on "oo" after my push on liam. he called liam scum, but kept pressure on "oo" and pointed out why he was the best lynch, and it wasn't because of rng at this point., | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:05 Holyflare wrote: ok look i'm telling you, i'm going for massive end game credit now and i'm sorry i've been so fucking lazy today but we absolutely 1000% lynch storrzerg because he is the poisoner and we lynch obi because he is the last mafia i wouldn't call your play lazy today, i'd call it kinda erratic | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote: why did you come back last second storrzerg? why have you pushed town all game storrzerg? why did you spend all day saying kel and palmar were scummy and then end up on damdred WITH palmar storrzerg? why do you not actually care who gets lynched but only who shot bh which didn't even matter in the end storrzerg? oh yeh because you're poisoner and you don't give a shit about lynching mafia if you can kill a towny because i decided to check the thread, since i was done being busy. i haven't pushed town all game. i pushed h1 day 2. and defended obi, helped secure that lynch. even with out "voting" Sure i tunneled on liam most of the game, and i even encouraged him to be shot. I cared who got lynched. I pushed for kel over damd. While i dislike how palmar is playing, that doesn't make him mafia. I pushed damd as scum. so don't say i didn't | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote: i'll try hard for you grack so that in the very likely event that I die i'll leave everything I have and you know that when i invest mafia get lynched! follow me to victory where was this conviction this past day? | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote: who gives a shit where it was it just wasn't there and i'm pretty annoyed that none of you appeared until RIGHT AT THE LAST MINUTE because i didn't actually want to end up on damd after what he was saying like literally 4 of you appear with 5 minutes to go which is pathetic why did you switch last min back to damd then instead of palmar? i | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm just going to ignore HF until he starts making sense again or until he sits down and starts actually reasoning things out. He's town but he's losing his mind. It's really annoying and I'm getting pissed off. yep | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote: also sorry i was out to tell you to not shoot lian lol | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:29 Holyflare wrote: like my rb claim was so fucking honest and maybe you should think about it because if you followed storr's logic that whoever they shot n1 and failed would get shot n2 then it's actually IMPOSSIBLE that i'm the poisoner because even if i tanked a bullet as poisoner n1 then i would have died n2 because i would be a free kill while your claim is honest, you are also throwing a bunch of shit in the air. and yes, from my point of view i find it highly unlikely you have been shot at all. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Palmar getting shot is actually a pretty likely scenario if you think HF and me are both town. Mafia doesn't want to upset the balance of power between the two of us since he's basically on a collision course with me, so they go for a neutral kill on a possibly dangerous entity in Palmar and discover he's the poisoner. i dont think hf is trying to kill you right now | ||
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(i am ruling out hf/grack/me) (and extending it to obi whom i have town read on) leads me to believe people who had been active and voicing opinions about the 2, are likely town. over those that just came in and said a few words and slapped a vote down. slam seems to come to mind, puts vote down right after bh is pushing very hard on ows. Meaning palmar gains town credit i think for pushing h1 to 4 votes giving it the large lead at this point in time. I think this is also telling at this point that if kel is mafia, he should know that h1 is the death today, and he can't pull it off onto obi. Since he knows 4 town are on h1. (+ my no vote which is screaming h1 over obi) sure kel could be psner over this kind of play. The near end of day "close" vote doesn't matter much since it was done entirely by town (including hf in this) + couple the fact that the 2 non votes on obi/h1, would be myself and liam both of whom are town. least my point of view, i think the 2 anti town reside within slam/kel/palmar at this junction With scum seeming like slam > palmar > kel. most notable thing that comes to mind is plamars super hard town read on kel which i don't understand. | ||
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On October 14 2014 19:29 Palmar wrote: I like how I almost got killed last night. My favorite part was when that didn't happen. Can you like explain how on earth I am scum? 1. the "mega town read on kel" 2. pushing me as scum for unknown reason 3. bad logic leading to hf being psner 4. still screaming hf is psner 5. pushed obi day 1 6. pushed damd. 7. more shit that i don't understand how you can draw these weird conclusions. | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:30 Palmar wrote: yeah, I think I'll play doto. Is that ok with you? i'd prefer you to do something in this game other than "meh town meh mafia" | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:33 Grackaroni wrote: Stay tuned at deadline for a shocking announcement! Well not from me. | ||
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