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Changelog?
As best I can tell the medic was nerfed?
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wuuuuut movable vest OP. I will require a night action resolution order please.
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its still within the realm of 'normal' imo, just really hard to balance...i guess that leads into sanity conditions for cops and 3P interaction with multiple vests..okay yeah lets not.
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Skip Bayless
You are Skip Bayless and you're wronger than lefty catcher's mitt. Every night you may pm the host #poopchuteviolator PlayerName/PlayerName/PlayerName. You will be told how many you got correct. If you correctly identify the scum team you instantly win the game and are removed for being too lucky. You lose the game if you ever die. This role can only be given to Palmer. Palmer will not have this role.
ROFL
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Morning guys. We need to liven this place up a bit. Who's ready for some FOOTBALL?
@batsnacks how sure are you that you've caught mafia there...?
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On October 07 2014 02:26 KelsierSC wrote:
So I have never played with bh but i really don't like what he just did.
firstly i thought we were looking along some interesting lines with hf and hell, then bh did this huge RNG nothingness that served nothing except to disrupt town.
he then tries to justify his rng like hey this is actually a good idea because he is inactive?
it introduces him to the thread in a splashy way but all it does.is disrupt town.
That's like a BH patented thread entrance. tbh I dont know that I've ever seen it followed, but its a true random and its what he does.
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sry randomly posting between meetings/work. I'll be on tonight dont worry. ps bats and oats are probably both town. kthxbai
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the math fails are strong.
A) 3/13=23%
B) 14 players (3/14 = 21.4%, 4/14=28.5%)
C) 3 mafia makes perfect sense given the roles present in this game.
omw home soon, will reread after i get there and get something to eat, expect me in ~3 hours max. p.s. stop using setup speculation for scumreads.
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Things I thought were worth commenting on while reading the thread
Random shit about oats. tl;dr i think he's town.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2014 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 20:27 batsnacks wrote:
So should we all mass claim and then take it from there? great plan. Im totes a vt. This looks like hes trolling off the bat. "You can believe me *winkwink* I'm totes town" On October 06 2014 21:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I think oats was sarcastic and slam is chupazi grack agrees (or i agree with grack) On October 06 2014 21:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 21:05 Grackaroni wrote:
What happens next? We random lynch into the VT claims? Sounds good to me That sounds reasonable. Before that though I think you, oats, and slam should explain the benefits of claiming in this setup. whyd you skip liancourt?
On October 06 2014 22:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Morning guys. We need to liven this place up a bit. Who's ready for some FOOTBALL?
@batsnacks how sure are you that you've caught mafia there...? See: "Are you a fucking retard?" Re: On October 06 2014 21:36 batsnacks wrote:
##vote: grackaroni (from the voting thread btw)
On October 06 2014 23:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
It blows my mind how that could be seen as anything other than a joke post.
FOR BOTH SCUM AND TOWN WHICH MAKES IT USELESS BAT.
COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS. He said we shouldn't mass claim. Like. He flat out said it was bad. You AGREE WITH HIM..... Yet you are yelling at him..................???!?!?? ... On October 06 2014 20:27 batsnacks wrote:
So should we all mass claim and then take it from there? just saying...
[insert calling oatsmaster scum bullshit arguments here]
@BH how can you say OO is super scum because he trolled in the face of RNGesus? The scummiest thing he's done is been relatively inactive, but I liked his tone in this post:On October 07 2014 02:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay good, now that's out of the way.
#1 oats is prob town he's too frustrated and sticking around despite it. By corollary I like HF and batsnacks based on that discussion.
#2 don't know what to make of Grack, he was present and participating in a conversation but I don't really see anything alignment indicative after almost a full page of filter
#3 interested in the reply from storr re: liancourt
Maybe you walk me through your thought process again as to why matyring to RNG is scummy?
On October 07 2014 03:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. Oh so you declare the post beforehand. My mistake I just skimmed too much text. Even so. I dont approve because its random. And just flushes everything we discussed up until now down the drain. And theres discrepancies in that some people will do it and some people wont. Town will do it in the off chance they can get a scum. Mafia wont do it in the off chance they they get one of their own but the potential to lynch town randomly and being unreadable at the same time off sets that risk. I'm not sorry to flush the "amazing" discussion of whether it's appropriate to use caps lock down the drain. If Oats is scum or not, whatever, but even you have to admit RNG is a better way of doing things than "did he inappropriately use capslock"
great post 10/10. Still don't think OO is scum though.
I want to call kelsier scum...but thats probably just the OMGUS talking. Literacy issues aside, he keeps pushing that BH is scum for derailing the thread which is a crock of shit imo. Lian is derailing it far more by insisting BH is scum after almost every player has said this is not alignment indicative.
On October 07 2014 08:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:06 Grackaroni wrote:
So when can we question you? The game where you roll scum and you say "go ahead and question me I'm scum so I'll be here until end game." This game was the heavyweight championship game btw. tsk tsk 3-4 is the reasonable assumption for mafia with 14 people so the 22% isn't very strange to me.
Can we apply marv's lylo rule to HF?
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
the math fails are strong.
A) 3/13=23%
B) 14 players (3/14 = 21.4%, 4/14=28.5%)
C) 3 mafia makes perfect sense given the roles present in this game.
omw home soon, will reread after i get there and get something to eat, expect me in ~3 hours max. p.s. stop using setup speculation for scumreads. This doesn't account for 3rd parties.
I'm sorry, I'll spoon feed you:
Say "ahhhhhhhh"
B) 14 players
9 town and 1 (3p)martyr or 10 town
3 mafia
1 poisoner
9+1+3+1=14
10+3+1=14
3/14 chance to randomly lynch mafia
4/14 chance to randomly lynch anti-town
Happy now?
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in an hour and a half witihn the 3 hours leading to the deadline time, less than a page was generated while I read the thread over. I think obiwan is justified in saying shits not getting done. Also all his filter is focussed on BH's RNG stuff.
-Tells people what is/isnt scummy
- no answers
what the fuck are you doing Holyflare?
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obiwan who do you want to talk about?
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On October 07 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred/lion, mostly.
Opinions on them?
goddman backspace key deleted my post
lian has his head up his ass about BH's RNG stuff but is so pigheaded about it I think he's town.
Damdred is scummy for saying oats makes his skin crawl, goading HF into voting oats, sitting on the sidelines for a bit then reneging on his (inconclusive..) oats-read. Recent BH/OO stuff is null.
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what do you think about me obiwan?
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okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier?
Damdred you're thoughts on them as well?
*I know i've made no mention of him yet.
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I read it as goading because you didnt vote or scumread oats but were insistent that HF vote his scumread, oats. What would you call it?
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On October 07 2014 12:43 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he was insistent at all he asked me why i didn't vote oats despite saying i did and that was it
yeah okay. timestamps are a useful skill toi have. i still think the point about his turnabout on oats (which as usual you've already pointed out, all hail based holyflare) is fair.
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I'm headed to bed, I'll try to be more active tomorrow. 'night.
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On October 07 2014 22:16 Holyflare wrote:
Obi had 24 hours of game time to read the thread, make conclusions and post reads. I can get that he is busy but the first thing he said on his return was that he was reading the thread. After about half an hour of apparently not reading the thread he returns and only repeatedly told people that what bh was doing wasn't scummy hence why I called him out on not doing anything useful because it was already stated multiple times that what BH was doing is in fact null. So not only does he skirt by with no real reads he appears to contribute in lieu of actually participating by rehashing the same thing over and over again.
The parts about continuing to harp on about BH stuff is moderately useful since people continue to talk about it. Seriously guys STOP WITH THE RNG DISCUSSION.
I was under the impression that obi had actually read the thread and was about to...do...things, once he'd gotten people to drop the RNG discussion. Evidently I was wrong. Obi do you have any reads based on...reading?
Skimming through what happened over the night, Grack is way townier than I implied earlier. He's not only generating content, its useful content, as opposed to incessantly trolling/joking.
Slam with some more g8 b8 m8. Slam why are you so scummy? Who are your partners?
As with others, waiting on storr's awesome case.
Oats/Kelsier discussion was really meh.
Liancourt's list post is a wall of wishwash. Would #lynchwithfire.
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On October 07 2014 22:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
OO is probably the best lynch today purely because he can't be fucked to play as mafia from what he said when we were mafia together, not to mention that his reads were so back to front
this is also still relevant
Which game was this?
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nvm i think i found it. normal ass normal?
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HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.
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On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it. totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.
u srs..
On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4
So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.
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On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it. totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though. u srs.. On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4 So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward. so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it
Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for
If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum
Else, Town
That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF?
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On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO
OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!
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On October 08 2014 01:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it. totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though. u srs.. On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4 So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward. so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum Else, Town That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF? He came up with the idea that being on an rng wagon would be a very convenient place to hide because then people are just following a rng post and they don't give any information, that IS scummy and is the correct thing to point out. Then, when people who he is scum reading start to interact more and flesh out things he drops that scum read because it goes against what he was originally saying. He continues to scum read BH because he hasn't played with BH and what BH does is terrible=scummy, hearing a million people say it is in fact null moved him to seriously reconsider his stance on BH from scummy to null. His read on oats was before most people even said anything about oats and gave oats room to express more things and in fact showed better reading comprehension than me/batsnacks etc etc. The only weird thing is the OO thing and I'd much rather he explained himself out fully on this instead because I envisage that another skydragon event will occur. Just because you disagree with his thought process does not mean that it is quite evidently there.
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.
That's not a developed read.
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On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.
yeah i'll probably end up here anyways
##Vote: ObviousOne
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@liancourt:
can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO
I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr.
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On October 08 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job! ...?
I'm under no obligation to avoid policy lynches.
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On October 08 2014 02:24 batsnacks wrote:Does it make you nervous that I've already figured out you're mafia?
Yeah I havent made enough excuses my bad. brb have to dig a moat around my castle in the sky.
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On October 08 2014 02:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:33 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 02:27 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 02:24 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job! I'm at work I think Liam is town why, please explain New people on this site get free town reads from me If you want a better explanation I'll be around for serious later yes i'd like a better reason than policy It's a good policy I think our player base would be larger if new people didn't always have to read a small novels' worth criticizing everything they do
That....has nothing to do with why lian is town to you.
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I'll just wait until bats is around for real. like...wow
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batsnacks really should be spite lynched. ohwelp /ignore
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On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now? Oh and Vote ObviousOne What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case.
Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment.
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A brief history of RNG D1 Lynches:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 10 2013 06:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 18:38 kushm4sta wrote:
The percentage of newb games is really high. So imo that throws off the first day scumlynch statistic. Newbie games are at 19.4% and non-newbie games are at 21.7%  On September 27 2013 04:27 kitaman27 wrote:
Anti-town players are more frequently getting lynched on day one, but random lynching is still more accurate.
On March 09 2014 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:
The day one lynch percentage is still slightly below random, but not if you exclude newbie games.
On March 11 2014 02:25 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +Mafia players are lynched 24.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.1% of the time. As the greatest and loudest proponent of RNG lynching I am ready to use this quote in every game from now on until the end of time. + Show Spoiler [BlazingHand gets shit on] +On March 11 2014 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:05 Balla24 wrote:
What's mafia D1 Lynch% in the past 15, 10, 5 games? I think it's pretty freaking high. Last 20 games: - [M][T] Foundation Mafia (still going on) town
- Newbie Mini Mafia LIII (still going on) town
- Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini mafia
- Cultured Mini Mafia mafia
- Newbie Mini Mafia LII town
- [M][N] Default Suspicions Mafia mafia
- I'm a cop you idiot mafia 2 no-lynch, mafia D2
- [S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot mafia
- [S] Shadow Mini Mafia mafia
- GSL Open Mini Mafia IV town
- Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I mafia
- [C][M][T] Survivor Series Mafia town
- TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart town
- [I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia! town, vengefulshot mafia (kinda counts as mafia)
- [S] Shadowed Mini Mafia town - mainly due host error
- [M][N] "SMB" Mini Mafia town
- TL Mafia LXIV: A Game of Intrigue mafia
- Really Small Mafia mafia
- A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia mafia
- Extractor Trick Mini Mafia town
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[21]II Titanic Mini Mafia townIf you count vengeful shot as mafia "lynch" the percentage is 50%. On March 11 2014 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:So fuck off Blazinghand! On June 16 2014 23:42 kitaman27 wrote:
The day once lynch percentage is up a full percent, matching the random lynch percentage exactly.
On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Mafia players are lynched 24.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.1% of the time.
Mafia players are lynched only 17.3% of the time in newbie games on day one, so excluding these games brings the overall day one lynch percentage up to 25.8%!
On October 07 2014 08:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
A) 3/13=23%
B) 14 players (3/14 = 21.4%, 4/14=28.5%)
C) 3 mafia makes perfect sense given the roles present in this game.
4 players are "anti-town" = 28.5% lynch rate
TL;DR
In this game, RNG D1 lynch rate > Town's D1 lynch rate
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On October 08 2014 05:30 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now? Oh and Vote ObviousOne What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment. Shall I use my stamp?
You can use as many stamps as you like, tell me why storr is scum or town. Don't tell me storr thinks differently than you do. I guess the inferred read is that Storr is town.
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On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome
wait i want to see his storr read.
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yeah what the i dont even balls
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Lian, here's your new stamp:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8vG026.jpg)
Please make sure you fill it out accordingly
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palmar why do you need to have BH's stance on RNG lynches explained to you? Have you not encountered his antics like 50 bajillion other times by now?
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On October 08 2014 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Like I have literally no clue what you're talking about Hopeless
I know you like to say you never read anything but....seriously? You havent seen BH do his "This post# Mod playercount = RNG lynch 10000%" before?
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On October 08 2014 06:19 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
@Palmar
Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction. Nope, haven't read any of it. when exactly are you going to post anything so I can analyze you?
look out palmar he's got a stamp!
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On October 08 2014 06:29 liancourt wrote:
oh wait hope wasnt pointing fingers at me he was just giving me the scum sheet.
my bad
To be fair I am scumreading you for that same list post +reasoning Storr has in his case.
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On October 08 2014 06:49 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to. So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it.
no u
On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.
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On October 08 2014 06:52 batsnacks wrote:I think I'm changing my scum reads to keiser and Oats. Where is oats? + Show Spoiler +He "pressures" keiser with a vote: On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC Then he's satisfied very easily with I'm not sure what for I'm not sure what reasons: On October 07 2014 19:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah cool you changed my mind. Great job kelsier.
##unvote
Liancourt and oo might be scum.
Liancourt cause he has no scum reads other than "they did nothing" Then he picks the easy target that isn't his mafia buddy: On October 08 2014 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote oo
I tshink this is the pretty clear choice for today. The only time he's mentioned OO previously was here, in the same post he scum reads keiser: On October 07 2014 15:53 Oatsmaster wrote:The obi stuff is interesting. He doesn't defend himself in any meaningful, rational way. Just gets irrationally angry and hf and starts a fight. I would expect scum to not be so foolish and actually defend themself with better stuff. Too bad to be scum is my current read. Keilsar or whatever his name is is scummy for reasons. So is oo. I think there's definitely scum in the lurkers so lynching into there is fine. Liencourt never responded to my question  And he's scum reading them both for literally "reasons [sic]" His vote on keiser seems fake.
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On October 08 2014 07:03 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:00 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 06:57 batsnacks wrote:On October 08 2014 06:55 Palmar wrote:
batsnacks with the associative reads
#proscumhunter It's not an associative read. I think his vote is fake even if they're not both scum, which I think they both are. Why are you posting when you haven't read the thread? Because interactive reads are usually far more valuable than reading after the fact, because you can more accurately process the emotional state of the player involved. This is one of the main reasons that by far the largest contributor to success in mafia is simply spending as much time as you can in front of the thread. You're can't interact with the thread if you haven't read the thread. What you're doing is interacting with yourself. We're all watching you "interact" with yourself.
you just interacted with palmar. sadly its useless, but you've already proven yourself wrong. grats
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You asked for a scalar answer and got one dont get bitchy with me. Learn how to pose a question nub.
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wait are you saying i have to explain or are you saying oats didnt explain?
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On October 08 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
wait are you saying i have to explain or are you saying oats didnt explain? I'm saying oats didn't explain. His reasons for scum reading and voting keiser were LITERALLY: "reasons" As in he just wrote the word "reasons" and didn't say anything else. "reasons" is also the why he unvoted and switched to OO. He didn't say anything else.
I refer you to page 28
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On October 08 2014 07:15 StorrZerg wrote:
Still waiting for oo to come in lol
maybe his train was delayed? huehue
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Wow that was long winded BH.
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On October 08 2014 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him. I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch. OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument. Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred. So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention. In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment. God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people I agree scum would want to have other suspicions if OO is town and some people did consider Liancourt scum when Storr wrote some things about Liancourt. I just didn't see anyone consider obi scum when HF/I really put a lot of effort into trying to make people consider obi scum so that makes me believe obi is mafia regardless of OO. But yeah scum would be even more incentivized to suspect Obi if the wagon is already falling on mafia. This really isn't helpful for other people because it could just be no mafia is joining because HF/I are mafia and we were trying to find a mislynch but I just like to look at games in this way.
Some of my wat to you grack.
In your worldview, scum1 could be lead wagon, you then make a case on scum2 and expect scum3 to jump ship (busses)?
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honestly, he showed up, voted BH and bitched us out a little. If he doesn't flip scum I'm gonna be sad.
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"this lynch is no fun"
b/c people arent kicking and screaming or something.
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Praise be to RNGesus, our one true lord and savior
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On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while.
because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference.
In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go?
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On October 09 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while. because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? What do you think your scummiest post is?
this one
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If i survive? lol.
top of my head is lian and kelsier for bitching about RNG for soooo long. Going to re-read though, try to get something out of any discussions that were actually around OO (as opposed to him being RNG'd).
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ps im not reading shit tonight because im about to go to sleep in 20 minutes.
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inb4 hf is vet. see you tomorrow
zZz
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On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
Unimportant. fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while. because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here"
I dont see how any of this is scummy tbh. I'd argue my nonchalant vote on OO is more likely town than scum because it would be expected that I try to divert the lynch, no? And am I expected to bounce questions off of an afk OO? Just because I have a scumread on lian doesnt mean I'm so confident I'll try to derail a policy lynch on someone literally not playing the game.
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that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?
right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.
My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now.
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On October 10 2014 00:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 12:30 Damdred wrote:
When hopeless gets back could you answer what changed inbetween wanting to lynch myself and Lian near eod towards lian and kel for bitching? Also didn't see if you answered this hopeless could you go intno it
I didn't yet, my thoughts are that there was never really an alternative wagon. wtf were scum doing if not trying to get someone else lynched? Either nothing at all, or trying to stop the lynch itself without putting another one in its place. So bitching about RNG for days seems like a good way maybe save OO without actually trying to save OO.
On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?
right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.
My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.
and my vote on lynched scum for no other reason than shits and giggles. totes scumplayz
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you cant give me scumpoints for that shit either.
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On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.
Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight.
fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter"
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On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.
Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight. fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter" You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating."
What if the bolded is why he's town?
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On October 10 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote:
@Hopeless, do you think Obi's push on you makes him mafia?
tbh feels townie.
On October 10 2014 01:27 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.
Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight. fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter" You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating." What if the bolded is why he's town? I don't understand
Early game, HF bounces all over everything he can. He generally does that as either alignment. Way easier to assume he's town than to try and analyze him. after his night posting I'm sure hes town.
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On October 10 2014 01:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote:
@Hopeless, do you think Obi's push on you makes him mafia? tbh feels townie. On October 10 2014 01:27 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.
Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight. fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter" You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating." What if the bolded is why he's town? I don't understand Early game, HF bounces all over everything he can. He generally does that as either alignment. Way easier to assume he's town than to try and analyze him. after his night posting I'm sure hes town. TLDR: I am looking for easy targets so I will buddy up to HF despite thinking he was scum early on day 1. Qed.
You show me where I actually scumread HF, go ahead.
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was there a question bats?
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On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?
Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1.
as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety?
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On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?
Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1. as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety? And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe.
Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head.
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On October 10 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 01:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote:
@Hopeless, do you think Obi's push on you makes him mafia? tbh feels townie. On October 10 2014 01:27 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.
Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight. fixing or following up on what exactly? why is it my responsibility to fix your shit? I didnt pour fuel on anything I was trying to get opinions from you to make holyflare shut up or explain "reason=filter" You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating." What if the bolded is why he's town? I don't understand Early game, HF bounces all over everything he can. He generally does that as either alignment. Way easier to assume he's town than to try and analyze him. after his night posting I'm sure hes town. TLDR: I am looking for easy targets so I will buddy up to HF despite thinking he was scum early on day 1. Qed. You show me where I actually scumread HF, go ahead. It doesn't matter if you thought he was actually scum or not, but the issue is that when a player confuses you or looks scummy or whatever, you go after them and ask them questions and try to figure them out. You never, ever did this. The points behind the motivations of your HF/Obi interaction are still superscum and you have yet to explain them away at all. I see no reason to ever move my vote, and if the others have any sense, they will sheep me to glorious victory. GLORIOUS VICTORY, COMRADES.
Player=HolyFlare
I assert that your argument falls to pieces. I have nothing to explain here.
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On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?
Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1. as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety? And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe. Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head. If you already answered this sorry but Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day.
What kelsier just said,
+his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this)
+ refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads
+ making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town.
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On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?
Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1. as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety? And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe. Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head. If you already answered this sorry but Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day. hf and obi had a fight So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.
I saw logical flaws in what HF was pushing and pointed them out...thats basically all that happened.
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On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
What about keslier guy?
cool story bats. moving right along because this isnt helpful...i got nothing right now. srsly though i'll reread after work and you know...do stuff.
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On October 10 2014 01:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?
Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1. as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety? And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe. Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head. If you already answered this sorry but Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day. What kelsier just said, +his narration of Oats (i didnt comment on this) + refusing to look at lian's atrocious reads + making up reasons that OO is scum. This was actually a huge point against HF at the time in my head, but I'll be damned if I say anything before OO flips town. So let me get this straight. HF didn't want to kill Lian. HF was making up reasons as to why OO was scum, in yet you voted with HF on OO anyway. If OO flips town, then that means that you only speak against the lynch after it happens anyway. Can we please lynch this guy already.
I didn't vote with HF, I voted with the power of RNGesus on my side. Ye of little faith, woe betide you.
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Grats you replaced batsnacks on my /ignore list.
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i left to go to a meeting. as to damdred's case I only see 2 points that I agree are scumread worthy, the RNG stuff (which I initially gave a townread for) and the list post. The general 'discrediting' comments are not malicious, they're inquiring.
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man i wish i could just sheep BH all day long. reading now.
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yeah obiwan's town..i think i want to lynch damdred over lian. going through lian's filter now.
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i am entirely too drunk/tired to finish this right now. I stand by damdred>lian. will read kelsier storr and slam (I probably wont read slam, lets be honest here) in the morning and then try to get someone who's not me lynched. Probably damdred.
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storr and kelsier town. will make case on damdred shortly.
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On October 11 2014 00:50 Holyflare wrote:
All you've done is stick to damd/liam being scummy and then thrown out these free town reads conveniently and you still call them scummy before even reading everyone else.
how does it matter whether I've read everyone else?
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On October 11 2014 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because you more than conveniently don't explain anything about like 90% of your reads and you have these 2 scum reads but nothing about them ever changes so reading these other people looks really odd from you when you don't say anything about why they're town over damd/lian being scum. It's really really strange that you have 2 scum reads but wpuld rather arbitrarily call other people town instead of pushing them
I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game?
This post Mod 12, storr is 0
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23091395 mod 12= 11 = obiwan.
grats BH, RBGesus wins again
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
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so...im NOT supposed to be reading you as town HF? like wtf is your argument? I didnt solid townread you until N1.
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oshit
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
NOOO THE RULES WONT LET ME BE CONFIRRMED TOWN
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w/e, have to prep some maps for a meeting in an hour. i'll have case out in the next 2 hours on damdred
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On October 11 2014 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
Hopeless was active though it's just that he got caught and THEN went inactive
when did I get caught and at what point did I become inactive?
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 07 2014 07:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2014 22:57 Damdred wrote:
Oats is being super weird this game and it makes my skin crawl, last time we played he got really defensive about claiming and fought against it pretty hard. That doesn't make me look good on Oats right now.
Bat you and me are friends this game! On October 06 2014 23:37 Damdred wrote:
When I first read the interchange I was pretty sure that it was a joke, but oats reactions throughout the rest of the thread is just weird. Oats why are you so defensive? I've never seen you play like this after getting called scum, you usually do not react at all just go on about your day, so whats up On October 07 2014 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Thats just how BH is, RNG IS LIFE!?!
Reading over Oats again, his frustration seems real. A few things do not line up but i'm not so sure its alignment indicative i've never been good at reading oats granted.
So are you scum reading BH Kel?
Slam. I know you just put hf as a null correct? Do you make anything of hf putting all this pressure on oats? Would it be more town or scum motivated to do everything he did? this is a pretty weird chain of events by the way, incredibly simplified and surface level! First of all you scum read him because when he played scum he did the exact same thing and then suddenly when the topic is pushed aside your read flips and his frustration is real (despite making your skin crawl originally) so much so that you overlook all the inconsistencies. Maybe so but the game is still young and reads have an ability to grow or become nonexistent. Oats overreacting still makes me feel weird, and him joking around about claiming flies in the face of what he acted like in the last mafia game I played with him when he fought really hard and called me an idiot for even suggesting it so yes it would naturally make my skin crawl. Frustration can be real as scum or as town, I do not know Oats alignment yet or have much to work off of yet and i'm bad at reading Oats. I just realize that when people get frustrated they bluster and have inconsistencies in how they type or react to it. Townies lie and can be just as inconsistant but yes oats is still on the weird side for me.
^HF raised this before. Damdred's progression re: oats is scummy.
On October 07 2014 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Kel when you get back will you tell me what he actively disturbed? Was our thread conversation that good at the time?
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.
Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion.
Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined):
On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes.
On October 08 2014 09:01 Damdred wrote:
OO when you catch up you have to talk to me. Right now you are a plague on the thread, if we don't kill you at this point tommorow will be ruled about the lynch that should of been, so eight now I am inclined to lynch you just so we can focus on other things tommorow.
However I don't like policy lynched, so pretend I have a gun to your head give me your best scum reads when done and we will go from their 3 would be great
Last ditch effort to get OO to produce something.
On October 08 2014 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Meh I'm going to vote for oo he hasn't tried to bleed town yet
OO gets bussed.
On October 08 2014 13:09 Damdred wrote:
BH will be insufferable now d1 with rng lynch, but he has converted me
nevermind that the RNG caught scum, damdred is more concerned that BH will be insufferable in the future. Nice.
On October 09 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life
wtfisthisidonteven. Just finished calling BH town, then invents reasons to question that read that dont even make sense.
Damdred's case on Lian today:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
Today's votecount:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 11 2014 01:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Vote Count:
Holyflare (0): Blazinghand, Blazinghand
ObiWanShinobi (3): Blazinghand, Blazinghand, Alakaslam, hopeless1der
hopeless1der (6): Holyflare, Blazinghand, ObiWanShinobi, Grackaroni, Palmar, Damdred, liancourt
--->liancourt (1): Storrzerg<--- ^
Damdred (1): batsnacks, batsnacks |
StoreZerg (0): batsnacks
StorrZerg (0): liancourt
Alakaslam (0): batsnacks
Not Voting (1): KelsierSC
Currently hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends at Saturday, Oct 11 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
Voting is Mandatory
I already commented briefly that his case only has a couple points that I consider scummy. damdred is just piling onto Lian and looking busy but is not following up, hasn't even voted for his scumread and isn't pushing his own case. He's now sitting on my wagon.
On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote:
In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then.
Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched.
Is this not the same shit that I'm being scumread for? Damdred hasn't even tried but he knows he cant get it done? Bull.
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On October 11 2014 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Hopeless were you framed?
I thought I was notactuallyredchecked redchecked?
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On October 11 2014 02:23 StorrZerg wrote:uh... Show nested quote +You are TMz. You really don't care who wins or loses, you just want to get as much press no matter how much truthiness it may have. Every night you may pm the host #delayedmediablitz PlayerName; that player will receive a media image injury (1KP) at the start of the day 1 cycle from now (eg. if you target someone on Night 1, they will be hit by 1 KP at the start of Day 3). You start with a bullet-proof vest to protect yourself from players like Plexico Burress (it takes 2 KP to kill you). You are a Third Party Poisoner. so i'm correct in assuming you wouldn't know if you have been psn'd yes? and its possible the psn could have been hit by the mafia then?
HF asked if I was framed..what are you talking about?
and...yes to both questions.
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On October 11 2014 02:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Don't worry, Hopeless. If we're scumreading you and Damdred for the same reasons, we can just kill both of you.
Starting with you.
Especially you.
That is actually acceptable, if mildly disheartening.
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On October 11 2014 02:26 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 02:23 StorrZerg wrote:uh... You are TMz. You really don't care who wins or loses, you just want to get as much press no matter how much truthiness it may have. Every night you may pm the host #delayedmediablitz PlayerName; that player will receive a media image injury (1KP) at the start of the day 1 cycle from now (eg. if you target someone on Night 1, they will be hit by 1 KP at the start of Day 3). You start with a bullet-proof vest to protect yourself from players like Plexico Burress (it takes 2 KP to kill you). You are a Third Party Poisoner. so i'm correct in assuming you wouldn't know if you have been psn'd yes? and its possible the psn could have been hit by the mafia then? HF asked if I was framed..what are you talking about? and...yes to both questions. if vig is real, what happened in the night. O_o
Medic save; veteran shot; poisoner shot.
KP is factional so can't rb it.
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Yes I was framed? I don't believe you're a cop so I don't know what you want from me. If you have a red check it's false.
I'm claiming town damdred.
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On October 11 2014 02:31 Holyflare wrote:
So why don't you want to immediately lynch kelsier for knowing you were framed?
He didn't know that, he said I'd be a good frame target. the scummiest thing about him is that he townread me.
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On October 11 2014 02:35 liancourt wrote:
Now why couldnt u do this in the first place hope.
##unvote
I ll actually read your filter now
OH THANKS LIANCOURT U DA BEST /s
still think damdred is more likely scum but not by much..
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On October 11 2014 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand what's going on.
I'm kind of lost myself. Glad I know how to RNG properly though.
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so...BH can you be convinced that A) I am not scum and B) Obiwan is not scum?
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On October 11 2014 03:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...BH can you be convinced that A) I am not scum and B) Obiwan is not scum? If you want me to vote some third player (like lian or perhaps bats) you could just convince me they're scummier than OWS
i want you to vote damdred...as per my case. Could you comment on it?
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Which of my townreads don't make sense? Someone said their "obvious but unexplained".
On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?
right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.
My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.
Yeah there...sure enough its tunnel rat obiwan. Obvious implies it doesnt need explaining.
Which of my townreads is not obvious?
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On October 11 2014 05:01 Blazinghand wrote:
OWS has made noises that sound townie, but when push came to shove he tried to save OO. You can't possibly say that's townie. Hell, his backtrack was scummy as heck anyways
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you guys just gotta see, OWS is scum. point me at a post that you think makes him townie or a series of posts, link or quote it, and i'll show you why that's not true
The way he tunneled my felt townie, but that probably isnt what you're looking for.
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On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia?
No.
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On October 11 2014 05:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:04 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia? No. Wonderful of you. You've made no new comment on damd after his perfect towny defence btw. Going to stick to that one read then?
Yes I'm sticking to my read and hoping the people who havent arbitrarily decided I'm scum no matter what actually read my case instead of looking at who posted it and going "lol scum."
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On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
I think hopeless case does not make me mafia at all.
Wow big surprise.
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
The oats thing there was a little bit of time in between my initial points about how it was unlike oats. Which it’s still unlike oats to freak out like that about a joke claim that early, and it’s still a bit weird. I started off with a knee jerk reaction and ended up somewhere differently after a few hours and rereading what happened. I still wasn’t sold as Oats being super solid town but I thought it was a bit silly at the time to scum read him just on that ---- Its silly but YOU found it scummy. The same thing you found scummy gets turned around and called townie? What?
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:----, and when he came back to the thread he was pretty towny and then he got shot and was town.
HE GOT SHOT BY THE VIG FOR BEING SCUMMY WTF?
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote: I think I did not show much in the way of progression on this read, probably should of fleshed it out more but I don’t think it makes me mafia. And if you were to scum read me for something like this its pretty prevalent in the thread that a lot of people have done just what I did.
I dont think anyone went from oats totes scum to oats totes town. If they did it would have been the people in my never-lynch list so I don't care about them.
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
If you look at Noir 2 for instance (BH WILL REMEMBER THIS), Robik got RNG’d he did not self vote and fuck off. He complained and fought against the lynch. It is not unreasonable to think, ok this lynch is not going to work the person who it landed on will fight for themselves and actually do stuff. Instead, he fucks off so yea its suspicious that someone would do that. Obviously my suspicion was well founded since he flipped mafia.
Bull. Shit. Your suspicions are ridiculous. You can't defend against RNG. OO was scum for afking, not because he tried to self-vote.
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
I think I’ve made it clear in past games that I’m not the biggest fan of policy lynches, and if OO was able to actually be able to produce content and be useful I wouldn’t of voted for him. But he fucked off right after and I had no choice but to vote. There is not much to say about this.
Okay. I'll refer to the posts where HF says OO calls for being bussed. You had "no choice"? Neither did I. Null defense, scummy for thinking this exonerates you in any way.
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
And yea, I don’t think BH has caught mafia before as far as I know with RNG. And…yea pretty sure hes going to use it more now. Also I have been calling BH town all game not just at that point when I said in tin foil land, I didn’t know if their was a way to game the system to get the point that BH wanted. I was educated and am better for it. My problem is that you are somehow upset that mafia was lynched "because of RNG", which wasnt the case.
On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
Looking at thread sentiment you can tell if someone has a legitimate shot at getting lynched today. People are suspicious of Liam I think, but just not sure if he should be the lynch at this point or that I could draw the support needed. I still think liam has a good shot at flipping scum, but the way that you’ve played the past two days hopeless left me in a position where either one was a decent lynch. And liam was town read by a few people who I’m town reading so I have a little pause today.
Man the number of last minute lynches I've seen happen, this is such a crock of shit. SkyDragon was saved TWICE in the same game due to this.
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Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?
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On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your "case" is redcheck nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?
I like this emphasis better.
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On October 11 2014 05:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate? Absolutely 0 of my case is this red check nonsense. Please show where i said that.
wat
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On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?
You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter.
Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really.
In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here.
OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null.
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Damdred, I responded to your defense. Where you at?
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On October 11 2014 05:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok Hopeless I read your case and there are some points that I agree with.
I don't like that Damdred never made an effort to try to get Lian lynched today. When I write out a case on somebody I'm doing it because I want to try to convince people to lynch him today rather than just to show that I am suspicious of somebody. It's not like HF wrote out an amazing case and the lynch was decided for the day. I could see Damdred as scum choose to not push Lian today because he doesn't want to get on HF's bad side.
The points I dislike:
The bussing posts. It's mostly just speculation. I could reasonably see a townie being suspicious of somebody for voting themselves after being RNGed and for his reaction. (I wasn't suspicious of OO for those posts but I could see someone else suspecting him)
the post where he tries to get OO to contribute doesn't have to be made in thread; He could just tell him to do something in the scum QT if he is mafia. There's no real reason why Damdred's vote on OO is him bussing OO compared to anyone else's vote on OO. In fact your vote is the one i think is most likely to be a bus vote because you actually liked OO's tone at the start of the game and you were fighting policy lynches earlier in the day.
The BH points are quite bad in my opinion. it's pretty clear Damdred wasn't trying to make a suspicion of BH in that post and I don't mind the insufferable post either.
Overall I'm not convinced that Damdred is a better lynch than you. I think a better case could be made for you being scum.
Where did I actually try to STOP OO's lynch? I busted HF's balls a bit because he explicitly said not to let him pursue policy lynches. And I did like OO's tone at the start...then he did nothing at all.
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On October 11 2014 06:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:58 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok Hopeless I read your case and there are some points that I agree with.
I don't like that Damdred never made an effort to try to get Lian lynched today. When I write out a case on somebody I'm doing it because I want to try to convince people to lynch him today rather than just to show that I am suspicious of somebody. It's not like HF wrote out an amazing case and the lynch was decided for the day. I could see Damdred as scum choose to not push Lian today because he doesn't want to get on HF's bad side.
The points I dislike:
The bussing posts. It's mostly just speculation. I could reasonably see a townie being suspicious of somebody for voting themselves after being RNGed and for his reaction. (I wasn't suspicious of OO for those posts but I could see someone else suspecting him)
the post where he tries to get OO to contribute doesn't have to be made in thread; He could just tell him to do something in the scum QT if he is mafia. There's no real reason why Damdred's vote on OO is him bussing OO compared to anyone else's vote on OO. In fact your vote is the one i think is most likely to be a bus vote because you actually liked OO's tone at the start of the game and you were fighting policy lynches earlier in the day.
The BH points are quite bad in my opinion. it's pretty clear Damdred wasn't trying to make a suspicion of BH in that post and I don't mind the insufferable post either.
Overall I'm not convinced that Damdred is a better lynch than you. I think a better case could be made for you being scum. Where did I actually try to STOP OO's lynch? I busted HF's balls a bit because he explicitly said not to let him pursue policy lynches. And I did like OO's tone at the start...then he did nothing at all. you didn't try to stop the lynch. You were bitching for a bit that we were just doing a policy lynch and then you jumped on the wagon later in the day.
yeah 10 whole minutes later...
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On October 11 2014 06:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Which is why I think your vote is a bus vote.
-Likes OO's tone
-Dislikes that we're policy lynching a lurker
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Votes OO because he's lurking
what part of busting HF's balls did you not understand?
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On October 11 2014 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it?
I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread?
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Grack what else do you have about me being scum that I can debunk sooner rather than later?
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On October 11 2014 06:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Grack what else do you have about me being scum that I can debunk sooner rather than later? Explain all of your never lynch list
You're not Grack.
Magic.
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On October 11 2014 06:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:08 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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So what's so important about his reaction?
You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it? I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread? Right, then he voted himself, which is really weird imo
Agree to disagree. If that's really your opinion then damdred is going to be less scummy to you, not much I can do about it.
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On October 11 2014 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
No but I'm the main person pushing your lynch and in your never lynch list.
But I did explain why you're town. And it was "Magic" I gave a real answer that had reasons and wasnt retarded and everything. But noooo hopeless is full of unexplained bullshit and excuses.
Battraps legit
BH - Actually playing the game,
grack - un cc'd vig claim
palmar - least strong read but:
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On October 08 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 23:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 23:14 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 09:30 StorrZerg wrote:
ill make a case on someone tonight or tomorrow morning i swear its going to be good
#prepthebadwagons Not to mention, another scumread of his is probably town. The way this is worded makes it quite likely StorrZerg is town. The assertiveness that his yet-nonexistent case is something to be excited about is far more likely to be from a townie than from mafia. So there's that. I have only ever watched storrzerg on Mafia Allstars and I think in general he likes to kind of sit back and wait D1 as both alignments. Also Storrzerg seems confident and assertive as both mafia and town so not sure if I like this as a reason to call storr town. I think he is, just not sure I believe this read. ------- reasoning --------> you Well the reason you give for storr being town, isn't actually a good reason because he plays that way as mafia and town. why is that bad reasoning? Because you're thinking what and I'm thinking how. But it's ok, I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not unless Storr is in some danger of being lynched.
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On October 08 2014 07:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar I want you to read that HF/me/Obi exchange and actually play the game. If Marv were here would you tell him he should be able to town read you by now? No you would not. To be perfectly fair, a) he would be able to. b) even if he wouldn't admit it, I'd still shove it down his throat. I sorta know how he reads me so well, and I know I'm basically being the stereotype of that this game.
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On October 11 2014 06:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Speaking of slam… at the start of the game he makes reasonable posts and looks like he's trying to solve the game so everybody town reads him. Later he does nothing but post gifs and starts telling people to call him scummy? Then he makes a bunch of posts about how he's flying under the radar? After that he tells everybody that we don't know how to scum hunt?
Perhaps he may be trying to tell us something...
He's trying to Chupazi rule you. But you Hijoled him so he can't Kussplain himself sson.
or sometihng like that..
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On October 11 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I have absolutely no idea how to read him either but it actually looks like he may be mafia and wants us to catch him or something. I could see that, I guess, but I won't pretend to understand his motivations. I'm sure you have plans for your bullet tonight, but how would you feel about shooting Slam? I feel like inevitably we'll have to lynch him anyways.
tbh I'm hoping hes a poisoner target, assuming there is one.
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On October 11 2014 06:36 batsnacks wrote:wait why what?
You ninjavoted me more or less.
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On October 11 2014 06:41 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:36 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes, but why batsnacks? wait why what? You ninjavoted me more or less. Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 02:07 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier. what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? I think hopeless is by far the scummiest person in the game and the most likely to flip mafia. I just feel like voting damdred right now. I think he might be mafia, but I couldn't convince anyone he is so I haven't said anything. Besides we have like 10 hours.
Between which time I posted a case on damdred, the person you also want to lynch. Do you have any comments or questions to pursue instead of being a dick all over again?
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On October 11 2014 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:41 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:36 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes, but why batsnacks? wait why what? You ninjavoted me more or less. On October 11 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 02:07 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier. what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? I think hopeless is by far the scummiest person in the game and the most likely to flip mafia. I just feel like voting damdred right now. I think he might be mafia, but I couldn't convince anyone he is so I haven't said anything. Besides we have like 10 hours. Between which time I posted a case on damdred, the person you also want to lynch. Do you have any comments or questions to pursue instead of being a dick all over again? I never said I wanted to lynch damdred. I said I thought he might be mafia and I said I felt like voting him. Now I don't.
Okay...for future reference: Votes are for lynching people you think are mafia. Okay? Is that clear or do you need a diagram?
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On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping.
He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly.
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On October 11 2014 06:47 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:44 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:41 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:36 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes, but why batsnacks? wait why what? You ninjavoted me more or less. On October 11 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 02:07 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier. what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? I think hopeless is by far the scummiest person in the game and the most likely to flip mafia. I just feel like voting damdred right now. I think he might be mafia, but I couldn't convince anyone he is so I haven't said anything. Besides we have like 10 hours. Between which time I posted a case on damdred, the person you also want to lynch. Do you have any comments or questions to pursue instead of being a dick all over again? I never said I wanted to lynch damdred. I said I thought he might be mafia and I said I felt like voting him. Now I don't. Okay...for future reference: Votes are for lynching people you think are mafia. Okay? Is that clear or do you need a diagram? I'll take a diagram since you're offering.
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On October 11 2014 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target.
On October 11 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
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On October 11 2014 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target. On October 11 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi ? don't be coy with me, you poopy-head. try bullshit liek that again and I'll vote you in principle.
I'm sorry. I didn't think the rules were so strict after D1.
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On October 11 2014 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target. On October 11 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi ? don't be coy with me, you poopy-head. On October 11 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred try bullshit liek that again and I'll vote you in principle. I'm sorry. I didn't think the rules were so strict after D1. what rules? the point of RNG is that you rng your vote. when I said "you didn't vote for your rng target" your objection can't be "look, here's me voting for him" and leave out the fact that you unvoted him literally an hour later. Like, look at that post of yours that's just a question mark. Really dude? really? You think you've fulfilled the premise of RNG? or are you pretending to not understand the fact that I'm referring to where your vote is now?
Dude it was a joke. holy shit.
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HF how do you know you were shot?
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On October 11 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Don't press it further unless you want to get lynched all over again
Do I have your permission to afk on obiwan's wagon and then try to push damdred again tomorrow?
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distracting how? OWS is lead wagon. Unless you're going to swap back onto me, this is still semi productive.
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On October 11 2014 09:27 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
Bats will you town read me again if i switch back? Can't bear you hating me babe. I don't hate anyone But yes you should switch back
dont lie you totes hate me.
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On October 11 2014 09:29 batsnacks wrote:I mean look at this Hopeless is mafia What happened to him being dead set on lynching damdred? He votes obi as soon as a switch seems legitimately possible.
I'm trying to not die bats. I tried to ask permission first, HF deigned to ignore me. Go suck a lemon.
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On October 11 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
I was quite obviously shot last night and that's the only thing giving me pause so the person/people that would have shot me last night were either asleep because eu time or new people that didn't understand how extremely towny i actually am.
Lian/kel fall into that. Also in regards to kel it's something about how he goes into town reading people that irks me quite a lot, especially throwing out these random things like when i said i had a red check on hopeless and rather than question things about obi or any other reaction that would have been legit straight away jumped to hopeless being framed and has pushed obi no matter what all day despite obi still being town.
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On October 11 2014 09:35 batsnacks wrote:MAFIA Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 09:32 batsnacks wrote:MAFIA On October 11 2014 05:07 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:05 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 05:04 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia? No. Wonderful of you. You've made no new comment on damd after his perfect towny defence btw. Going to stick to that one read then? Yes I'm sticking to my read and hoping the people who havent arbitrarily decided I'm scum no matter what actually read my case instead of looking at who posted it and going "lol scum." On October 11 2014 09:07 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Don't press it further unless you want to get lynched all over again Do I have your permission to afk on obiwan's wagon and then try to push damdred again tomorrow? Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
yeah obiwan's town..i think i want to lynch damdred over lian. going through lian's filter now.
Thank you bats. I am aware of my hypocrisy.
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damn i had my numbers backwards. ohwelp
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On October 11 2014 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:
amazingly, over the course of this day HF has gradually transitioned from "deffo town for his shenannies to save me over night" to "man, this guy could deffo be scum"
but I won't let this distract me
eyez on the priez
OWS must diez
I mean mafia just WOULD NOT go full retard like this. Not a chance in hell. Holyflare is out of his mind, but he's town.
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so instead of telling keliser why he's mafia, HF chooses to research old games where he proves that I'm as bad as I ever was. well done holyflare. =\
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On October 11 2014 11:20 StorrZerg wrote:if i admit to being his team mate can we lynch him?
can we lynch you first?
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On October 11 2014 11:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:20 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:19 Holyflare wrote:
Wow lian admitting he's mafia if i admit to being his team mate can we lynch him? can we lynch you first? fuck no im town So you're calling him town then!
wow storr thats so scummy wanting to lynch a townie.
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On October 11 2014 11:29 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh.
Well then forcing a no lynch is a scumclaim. Don't do it. you're at an advantage so you'd say this. No threat of you being lynched and at worst u and hope don't get lynched and we have the same discussion on d3. With the way it's going now best scenario for you is hope flipping scum. But what if hope flips town does that make you scum?
he says yes, if I flip town he is scum.
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On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope
/s get fcked
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On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope /s get fcked Y u do dis?
because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town.
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On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope /s get fcked Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there?
I dont even know anymore. storr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw.
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Is there a fucking case for me to defend against?
Scum: My attempts to derail OO's lynch are claimed to be policy reasons.
Town: I was trolling HF, end of discussion.
Scum: I didnt push lian's lynch D1.
Town: We lynched mafia. Cry me a fucking river.
Scum: Unexplained townreads
Town: A) they didnt need explaining because they were clear as fucking day. B) I explained them anyways.
What else you got?
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On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope /s get fcked Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. storr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam
if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty.
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On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to lynch obi so show me you're town hope /s get fcked Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. storr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam?
unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch.
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On October 11 2014 11:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:48 Holyflare wrote:Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.) Obi why did you write this day 1 but then day 2 say hopeless' filter looks like classic mafia? Because early on in day 1, he was questioning you with me so he looked okay at the time. Later on, I went back and looked at his filter after everything that had happened. Lots of filler and instigating. Classic mafia. And then I proved he made up reasons to townread people.
What are your townreads and why?
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On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
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/s get fcked Y u do dis? because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth?
You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy.
Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him.
Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me.
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On October 11 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
I hope ypu claim blue hopeless :/
i wont bc im not. you wouldnt believe me if i did anyways.
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On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
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because this is worse than last game. At least then I was literally all excuses and no content. Now I've actually tried and no one is giving a shit, I'm still getting scumread for bullshit and my counterwagon is probably town. So if we're not lynching damd who else is there? I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah...
You've already tried pushing lian. I tried pushing damdred. Neither of us got anything done. Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. Right now, palmar being lynched is more likely than either of them.
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On October 11 2014 12:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:That's it? After you flip the fuck out over me not engaging mafia? That's all you have to say?
lol is HF upsetting you?
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On October 11 2014 12:24 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:46 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
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I dont even know anymore. s,torr wont drop lian, lian is doing next to nothing, obiwan still looks like shit and will look even worse when I flip town. Kelsier is under my radar but you wont say anything to that effect and I cba to read his filter again right now. Palmar and grack are afk. batsnacks is being an asshole, BH wont bother to read me and you are trolling me. I'm having a great time btw. why you no help to lynch liam if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. What in the hell is the meaning of this? Why should we ignore obi?
lolwut. I think OWS is town, is that not obvious from my filter? Or are you not reading that?
Damdred/Lian scumteam 100%
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On October 11 2014 12:35 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 12:24 liancourt wrote:On October 11 2014 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 12:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:54 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:52 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 11:51 StorrZerg wrote:On October 11 2014 11:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
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if it keeps me alive, sure. No one else gives a shit right now, so you'll forgive me for being a little salty. what changed regarding liam. I thought you had a scum read on him day 1. Why didn't you want to push him day 2? Why was damd more important than liam? you know liam really wanted to push damd too right. did this impact your read on liam? unflipped associations. Damdred is scummier to me and is my preferred lynch. could you please take 2 mins and answer each question a bit more in depth? You're right as far as scumreading each other colored my reads. By themselves, scummiest players in the game (aside from myself I guess). Damdred feels scummier because of his case on lian with no followup and no conviction and I think his case has a lot of forced points, none of which were new. His defence of my case is not "perfect" like HF says, some points are cleared like the insufferable comment, stuff like his Oats read and his pushes/votes today not lining up are still scummy. Lian is constantly bitching about how you tunnel him but still calls you town for it. Took the time to read your previous games and maintained that conclusion. Despite getting massively shit on still gave reads the way he wanted to as far as "stamps". Dont get me wrong, he's scummy, his list post D1 still sucks, his response to my RNG vote is pretty scummy and he's sitting on the sidelines today without helping me push Damdred despite his scumread on him. Like its entirely possible and likely to me that they're both scum, but one at a time. Damdred is scummier to me. ok sure. but don't see see liam as an actual option to be lynched over damd today? i mean i know we only have 45 mins left... but yeah... Hopefully when I flip people ignore OWS and look at those two. What in the hell is the meaning of this? Why should we ignore obi? lolwut. I think OWS is town, is that not obvious from my filter? Or are you not reading that? Damdred/Lian scumteam 100% post your gravestone. it seemed to me for a second you were taking one for the team and letting obi off the hook. Your either both town or both scum in my eyes.
I did, you and damdred. I gave brief reasons why. I've given literally every other player a townread.
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yeah i've definitely given a response to all that obiwan, you're just sure that it makes me scum. If you still think so, I'm not likely to change your mind in the next 15 minutes or so.
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On October 11 2014 12:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
yeah i've definitely given a response to all that obiwan, you're just sure that it makes me scum. If you still think so, I'm not likely to change your mind in the next 15 minutes or so. No you didn't. You put me on ignore and then ignored it right up until now. Gtfo.
Your last quote is literally in response to my explanation.
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I'm fine with this. I hope grack shoots into damdred or lian tonight.
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On October 11 2014 12:58 Holyflare wrote:Hopeless why did you shoot my vest bro
you dont have a vest HF, dont lie to me.
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So disappointed with this endgame.
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