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Reading over Oats again, his frustration seems real. A few things do not line up but i'm not so sure its alignment indicative i've never been good at reading oats granted. So are you scum reading BH Kel? Slam. I know you just put hf as a null correct? Do you make anything of hf putting all this pressure on oats? Would it be more town or scum motivated to do everything he did? | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:03 Grackaroni wrote: Recognizing BH's town play is an art form. Actually after seeing 3 years of BH games I think it's pretty simple. Just look at his enthusiasm to play and see if he's making excuses to avoid contributing. When he's town he's always one of the main contributors and posts a lot. When he is scum - real life gets in the way of his ability to play. QFT, once BH gets out the pics of boxes you know your in trouble | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote: this is a pretty weird chain of events by the way, incredibly simplified and surface level! First of all you scum read him because when he played scum he did the exact same thing and then suddenly when the topic is pushed aside your read flips and his frustration is real (despite making your skin crawl originally) so much so that you overlook all the inconsistencies. Maybe so but the game is still young and reads have an ability to grow or become nonexistent. Oats overreacting still makes me feel weird, and him joking around about claiming flies in the face of what he acted like in the last mafia game I played with him when he fought really hard and called me an idiot for even suggesting it so yes it would naturally make my skin crawl. Frustration can be real as scum or as town, I do not know Oats alignment yet or have much to work off of yet and i'm bad at reading Oats. I just realize that when people get frustrated they bluster and have inconsistencies in how they type or react to it. Townies lie and can be just as inconsistant but yes oats is still on the weird side for me. | ||
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And besides you still never answered my question why you never voted for oats even after pushing him so hard. | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:19 Grackaroni wrote: Damdred what do you think of KSC's attack on BH? I think its completely unwarranted because I have experience with BH. But I also know Kel and he cares not for old games and in the time i've played with him he refuses to take that into account (i do not know if he has changed that stance) and only takes what he sees in the thread. So overall i think its a misguided attack on BH when the thread discussion really wasn't anything to interesting to divert. I'm town reading BH and Kel is currently null to me | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:21 Holyflare wrote: because he left and i have no new info, originally i didn't know there was a voting thread and then when i found out i acted like it was just a pressure vote in thread Most of your filter even post pointing out you haven't voted him is still devoted to Oats. Would you vote him now even though you do not have enough information? Are you scum reading him now? Or are you wanting to move onto someone else | ||
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Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. | ||
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On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. | ||
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On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. | ||
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On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:27 Hopeless1der wrote: goddman backspace key deleted my post lian has his head up his ass about BH's RNG stuff but is so pigheaded about it I think he's town. Damdred is scummy for saying oats makes his skin crawl, goading HF into voting oats, sitting on the sidelines for a bit then reneging on his (inconclusive..) oats-read. Recent BH/OO stuff is null. I think your reasons for scum reading me are bad honestly. Oats reaction was strange for him at the time, I've never seen oats react that way honestly which I've said before. Also I do not think I was goading hf at all, most of hf filter at the time was about scummy oats he had voted in thread and not in the voting thread and I asked. I don't see how I goaded at all especially since hf did not vote for oats | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:42 Hopeless1der wrote: I read it as goading because you didnt vote or scumread oats but were insistent that HF vote his scumread, oats. What would you call it? I don't think I would call it goading not sure what I would call it, most of his filter was about oats being scum. He did not have a vote down and wanted to know why and if he would commit. HF isn't interested in oats atm so I found my answer | ||
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Grack is pretty towny at this point. | ||
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I like your case storr | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:45 batsnacks wrote: This is because of what I said about free townreads for Liam, isn't it? You won't catch me with that this game. This is actually null for me this game bat, I think every time we've playes together and you were town you are 100% towards giving the newer players a pass for day one. What would you say to that you are posting extremely structured, you are forming cases without tunneling and you are posting during certain time frames? | ||
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Now here's where I am in the thread there are still a few question marks for me in the thread. But I think oo unless he returns is the best lynch just to clear the deck even if he isn't scum. If he doesn't participate today he probably won't next cycle and we will be stuck on him then | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:35 batsnacks wrote: It makes me crazy that you might have some super secret way of reading me that I have no idea about. The free towntells one when I'm scum was good, I've been looking out for that ever since you said it. You still have a few tells I haven't told you about yet. Your a decent scum player bats so I try never to trust you early we just play a lot together. And I know as town you know how to read me soon as I start posting properly. | ||
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However I don't like policy lynched, so pretend I have a gun to your head give me your best scum reads when done and we will go from their 3 would be great | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote: btw bh is also mafia Tell me why hf | ||
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though hf could be mafia here | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly. Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally. Obviously i'm going to update my reads as we get closer to day break and even though i've asked lots of questions i've given a couple town reads even if some of them are lacking. OO was policy but had scummy things going on just what it was. Anyway, you did try to derail the lynch and backpedaled out of it so you deserve a little of the pressure just be town obi and you won't get lynched today, never known you to get this upset about pressure before though. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again. In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon. I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so. Ok obi, just for arguments sake i'll take the stance that you were making a joke because you did not like the policy lynch. Could you elaborate on the bolded portion of this post for me. Just a quick explanation of who you would want to lynch tomorrow and why, was it just hf or someone else. | ||
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On October 07 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred/lion, mostly. Opinions on them? You say that you want to talk about myself and lion a bit, and you say this but then you barely mention us again. You do talk to me a bit but you never really discuss anything about us with other people and you just drop what you want to talk about really quickly without even developing reads on us it looks like. On October 07 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I think Grack is town. It's a hard thing for me to explain but I like the way he's interacting with me and the way he words his posts. This is pretty cool, Grack is a decent town read. But you rescend the town reads based on something pretty arbitrary to you On October 08 2014 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ye. Kelsier is definitely in my town circle after his last few posts. I liked how he approached the Holyflare/me fight (wait for him to catch up, he can't formulate reads while you're attacking him, etc) because it feels like he's trying to figure out what my angle is specifically, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions about what I'm doing based on how I interacted with the BH nonsense. Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.) Holyflare's filter is basically him just blowing up useless stuff, IE me "not doing anything," getting mad at me for trying to get people off of BH's nonsense, blowing up Oats' claim stuff. I really don't see a whole lot of "useful" from his filter, and it looks like he's fixating on nothing but silly shit. The thing I noticed about Lian is that he's withholding his vote on OO because of "principles." (????) Aside from harping on the BH shit which didn't mean anything, I don't like how he's arbitrarily holding out on voting for someone he perceives as scummy. Also, I rescind my townread on Grack. Not reading the thread =/= alignment indicative, but he pushes me based on the fact that I didn't know whether or not he called BH town. It's an incredibly superficial push and I don't like it. Like...I know two of my scumreads are based on omgus, but I feel like both of them are stupid enough to warrant it. I don't feel confident reading any other players right now. Looking back, I don't feel confident making many reads based on the few pages that I missed. I feel like I hit the most important topic that I wanted to cover (the people who were pushing the random voters) and I developed my reads off of it. I still want to see more from Batsnacks and BH and I'd prefer to interact with them before formulating reads on either of them. You wanted to talk about Lian earlier but did not at all until this list post that contained him. tell me more what you think about him, is he scummy from what hes done in the thread? Do you just not like how he approached the vote? Was it understandable for him to feel weird going along with a policy lynch at that point? You say that you didn't like it but there is not much of a conclussion drawn from it, its pretty open ended where are you ending up on him. Why should you rescend a town case on grack at this point for something so arbitrary if someone is pushing you for bad reasons they could still be town. It does not change what they did earlier, is he still scum to you now/ On October 08 2014 11:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare, maybe Grack. Mostly Holyflare. These are the two targets that i've found. Could you elaborate if i missed anymore (really its one since grack is a maybe) | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote: You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life | ||
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The thing I noticed about Lian is that he's withholding his vote on OO because of "principles." (????) Aside from harping on the BH shit which didn't mean anything, I don't like how he's arbitrarily holding out on voting for someone he perceives as scummy. If you mean this, I have a few problems with it. Like whats your conclusion besides you do not like it based on his filter and everything else. And why would you seem surprised or against hat he deserves to get cop checked? | ||
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I'm not sure what to make of obi right now, i think its probably in the best entrance of the thread to just ignore him and look elsewhere | ||
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Last scum I'm not to sure on it, still rereading a few people | ||
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@Kel I can understand that. @Bats Storr shouldn't be his scum read, hes actually putting some effort into the game and early on made a decent case about lian and tried to push it. No way scum storr does that early, he has not been lurky and has been involved and gives his thoughts basically whenever he asks. Palmar is not sure, hes probably third party. I'm town so yea | ||
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On October 10 2014 00:44 Palmar wrote: I'm going to read hopeless and obi at some point today. Might read damdred too, he's a good shot to be scum. You wound me Palmar | ||
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On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote: that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian? right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening. My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Could you talk more about the two that are bolded when you can. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:30 Damdred wrote: When hopeless gets back could you answer what changed inbetween wanting to lynch myself and Lian near eod towards lian and kel for bitching? Also didn't see if you answered this hopeless could you go intno it | ||
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To start On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote: I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that. Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote: I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote: Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote: At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time) | ||
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I have a good bit of experience with Obi, he can correct me but I think we've played 5-8 games together. I know you do not like looking at other games to give yourself a bench mark about how to read your scum. However if you would look at Storm Mafia 2 (obi was scum), 2p2 (Obi was scum) his day one lurkiness was there, however he did nothing in those games to really bring attention to himself he brought attention to himself here. When he did get pressured as scum he retreated or made little comments without doing much else. here he sat around the whole time he was attacked and bantered back and forth and actually showed that he cared and honestly argued and fought his way out of his lynch today. And He looks really towny today in the way hes pressuring people and talking to him. Overall I think hes town. Theres a small chance that Obi could be scum in some universe that i'm not part of but I think until he does something stupid or claims scum hes town. | ||
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On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote: OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote: yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne On October 08 2014 01:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm under no obligation to avoid policy lynches. Yells for bats to get the policy lynch to stop, reads like (correct me if i'm wrong) that you disagree with lurker lynch really. But jump on it anyway. Feels like a bus. I could probably see Hopeless being scum, filter is a lot of fluff, some contradictions not a lot of reads really, or flushed out reads. I'd probably put him as scum. | ||
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I've pressured people asked questions nd did a case. So not as unless slyly make out. Why he you singing? And in not ignoring you blazing up respond in depth when i hit a comp or better signl | ||
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However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter. I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions | ||
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Slam who else besides obi is scum? Stor, imagine a world where Lia flips town. Where do you go from their | ||
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Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched. | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:37 Blazinghand wrote: hey damdred, i'm not sure what your read is on obiwan. you don't like his attempt to save his scumbuddy (link) but don't call him scum for it. You interact with OWS a bit here (link) and that's it. Have you read OWS' filter? Do you still not like his attempt to save OO? What do you think of his followup today? I have read OWS filter and been watching him closely. I did not like the trying to get people off of OO, however i've been thinking really hard whether this would be scum motivated or town motivated. And i'm just not sure that scum would try to pull off people on their partner that would get lynched anyway and bring the heat down on themselves. I do not think that their was any chance that OO would not be lynched. I personally like shenanigans, but I wouldn't of been for it to switch to Palmar thats for sure especially on someone who was refusing to play. For the record I still do not like that he tried to pull people off even as a joke and the retreat from that is still scummy. OWS followup today has been generally towny, he has put in a good bit of effort defending himself and pushing a hopeless lynch. His day 2 is 100% better than d1 or N1, however I do still have a few problems with him but i've got a tentative town read still on him but wouldn't complain about a bullet to him. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:03 Blazinghand wrote: So you'd be fine if a vigi shot him but don't want to lynch him? ;_; I get what you're saying about the shenannigans being a long shot. It certainly didn't seem particularly likely to succeed, and that's a point in OWS' favor. He also did take some crap for them, but he didn't take that much crap because it SEEMED so trolling. In my opinion OWS picked a semilurker and tried to see if people were interested, and left himself a verbal path of retreat by making it ridiculous and then backpedaling. Like, it was super non-obvious that it was a joke, and i'm pretty sure after suggesting it and hearing a reaction or two, he realized it wasn't happening and focused on saving his own skin. he didn't stick his neck out THAT far to save OO. He didn't argue long, he quickly said it was a joke. Heck, even with me shitting all over OWS constantly, I can barely russle up a vote or two against him; it was a calculated risk, which is pretty much what you'd expect from scum trying to save OO at that point. Obviously, scum wouldn't take a big risk or fakeclaim to save him or something, but the small risk, that's okay. I will agree that during D2 OWS has significantly stepped up his game. This makes me slightly less sure he's scum. That being said, I don't think the way his reads developed was natural, it doesn't seem to me like "town read on hf, scumread on h1" was what would have come from what he had said earlier. Also interestingly, it seems like his reasons for voting h1 evolved from "I'm voting him due to the red check" to "I'm also voting him because he's scummy" when the red check thing stopped existing. It seems more like he just wants to be on the big wagon than he actually has an underlying scumread or thought process driving his actions. does that make sense to you? I'm honestly really struggling with OWS alignment, your arguments are actually pretty logical and have a good point behind them. There was a good chance at shenanigans because of the way the policy lynch had went. I've seen Obi play as scum before and played with him in a lot of town games and I always have a hard time reading him, right now he looks like his town game with the way hes come on. But some of his responses even in d2 worry me like his refusing to defend himself against kel peaceing out soon as the pressure is gone. But hes done a good bit of good stuff today to like his pressure on hopeless. Your argument is solid but i'm not sure if obi is the lynch for today. Pretty sure he isn't | ||
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The oats thing there was a little bit of time in between my initial points about how it was unlike oats. Which it’s still unlike oats to freak out like that about a joke claim that early, and it’s still a bit weird. I started off with a knee jerk reaction and ended up somewhere differently after a few hours and rereading what happened. I still wasn’t sold as Oats being super solid town but I thought it was a bit silly at the time to scum read him just on that, and when he came back to the thread he was pretty towny and then he got shot and was town. I think I did not show much in the way of progression on this read, probably should of fleshed it out more but I don’t think it makes me mafia. And if you were to scum read me for something like this its pretty prevalent in the thread that a lot of people have done just what I did. If you look at Noir 2 for instance (BH WILL REMEMBER THIS), Robik got RNG’d he did not self vote and fuck off. He complained and fought against the lynch. It is not unreasonable to think, ok this lynch is not going to work the person who it landed on will fight for themselves and actually do stuff. Instead, he fucks off so yea its suspicious that someone would do that. Obviously my suspicion was well founded since he flipped mafia. I think I’ve made it clear in past games that I’m not the biggest fan of policy lynches, and if OO was able to actually be able to produce content and be useful I wouldn’t of voted for him. But he fucked off right after and I had no choice but to vote. There is not much to say about this. And yea, I don’t think BH has caught mafia before as far as I know with RNG. And…yea pretty sure hes going to use it more now. Also I have been calling BH town all game not just at that point when I said in tin foil land, I didn’t know if their was a way to game the system to get the point that BH wanted. I was educated and am better for it. Looking at thread sentiment you can tell if someone has a legitimate shot at getting lynched today. People are suspicious of Liam I think, but just not sure if he should be the lynch at this point or that I could draw the support needed. I still think liam has a good shot at flipping scum, but the way that you’ve played the past two days hopeless left me in a position where either one was a decent lynch. And liam was town read by a few people who I’m town reading so I have a little pause today. | ||
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I disagree with storrs idea about getting information from my lynch that makes me a sad panda. And i'm not sure what Liams case on me actually is, mine and obis interaction was a bit weird I will fully admit I still have no idea why obi took me down that path of questioning. Still think the reaction was odd, and well not sure how he was being beaten up at that point all of the pressure in d2 was on hopeless or obi and I made my case at the peek of their pressure. Also I think if you check every single game i've played in here i'm always super super super late on wagons i've gotten into many fights with rayn wave and a few others about my vote because I like to hold it until i'm prett sure about something. Its just how I play. And Liam still is not playing. If I missed anything else directed at me please point it out and ill answer it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:17 batsnacks wrote: Damdred why does it take you 2 hours to take a shower. Fresh water is a limited resource. Sorry batsy totally destroyed from work been sitting here with the wife relaxing and lost track of time On October 11 2014 11:34 liancourt wrote: because we'd have to go through this nonsense again on d3 and i think it's beneficial for mafia for town to just waste another day on discussion on the same ppl. Frankly, I'd like to move on from this obi.hope discussion so I can lynch damdred because it's getting overshadowed by this farce. The irony of this post....i chuckled a ton Can we please please get on lian now | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:47 batsnacks wrote: Damdred is mafia if hopeless is. What in the world bats | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:49 liancourt wrote: damdred stop trying to flip things and cause shennanigans. And i agree with HF leaving things unresolved by lynching someone totally different isn't good for town. Would mafia say this when their is a legit chance to get a lynch on someone else at the eod? I am seriously considering a world where lian is not the mafia righ tnow | ||
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On October 11 2014 14:15 Damdred wrote: Would mafia say this when their is a legit chance to get a lynch on someone else at the eod? I am seriously considering a world where lian is not the mafia righ tnow look at this, it gives me pause there was still a decent chance that people could of gotten off hopeless and he didn't jump on hopeless.... thats why I think we should start thinking elsewhere or at least talking about it elsewhere | ||
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On October 12 2014 17:51 Palmar wrote: As for the players who are left. This is how the game looks right now. Not mafia: KelsierSC - This is based on his repeated insistence on being an asshole. If he's faking it, he's pretty good. The one thing that really sticks out is that he wanted to completely bury me on day 1, but then basically was okay with stepping back and changing his mind during night one. Holyflare - basically for lynching mafia. Grackaroni - not cc'd, shots going through, we definitely have a vigi with the 3 kills tonight. Confirmed. Never lynch. StorrZerg Possible mafia Damdred - My best bet for mafia. Obi seems more invested atm and I still can't remember anything Damdred is posting. To be perfectly honest I'm being super lazy this game, but still, I should've noticed at least something. This probably means I'm mafia, it's always the guys I don't notice because their posting is so boring and bland that are mafia. Alakaslam - I sincerely hope he was cop checked. I never try to read slam and this game is not an exception ObiWanShinobi - Has tried harder later in the game. Wanted to lynch me on day 1 and wants to lynch me now, which basically means he's super interested in lynching townies. Could be mafia. As for third parties, just lynch Holyflare. I hadn't even noticed that hopeless outed him. I've had this happen like twice to me as third party where I'm wrecking scum, they try to shoot me night 1, then when I lynch them day 2 they claim. Go read arkham asylum for context. There's no point in lying for Hopeless, all he's doing is giving his team a free "mislynch". This is one of the reasons I hate having SKs in games. It's just so shit to be an SK when mafia decides they're mad at you and want to ruin your game. HF has otherwise played super well as 3p. So yeah, I honestly think we should not be assholes and basically hunt the mafia, and then lynch HF. HF you should totally work with us and not send in a kill next night, or kill the mafia. If we fuck up and don't find the last mafia, the game is yours. Deal? Lol palmar not sure if you typo'd or claimed scum in a slip you made me chuckle though. And HF could be the poisoner would eplain pretty well no shot since i'm not sure that we have a medic. | ||
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Key post reads don't shot fight with one please | ||
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Palmar could be mafia or poisoner at this point but i'm nto sure if I like that idea. Its weird probably for him to put so little care into the game up until this point and then go hard like this trying to get people pushed onto me. It's scummy in that he is not even looking at anyone else at this point and soft pushing me basically. I was coming into the thread thinking Kel=Mafia and Obi could possibly be the poisoner with his d1 disinterested play and looking to get town cred day 2. What do you think of that HF | ||
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I'd probably put my lynch order as Kel Palmar Obi Storr | ||
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This leads me down the path where I just have to look for the poisoner, obi shouldn't care if mafia or town dies he just wants someone to die and his d1 play was pretty apathetic. I have a crazy theory in my head about the NKs, that is a bit to crazy to post. But other than that they might be equal going into that day after Palmar. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:28 Palmar wrote: Tbh my storr townread is super weak. Also, I have considered just about everyone else Damdred. You're mafia by PoE! I guess? Though hopeless bussing me doesn't make sense in that scenerio and if HF and liam had not started yelling at people their is a really good shot that i'm actually dead. But anyway thats just wifom. I just can't remember a lot of your posts at all talkin about other people palmar so sorry about that | ||
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Also by the time d2 eod I had reversed my read on him because of his consolidation push and I 100% said he should not been shot because of that no way mafia or poisoner says that sort of thing to keep people on mafia instead of lynching some other random. So I changed my mind on him. | ||
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And we will have disagreement about that storr. Why not give out your reads of everyone in the game left storr, you were caught by liam for so long | ||
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And why do you have all this info but won't divuldge it storr | ||
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@hf we had something strong but then you let it all go | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:02 Holyflare wrote: fuck this probably actually now makes damd 100% mafia though if bh was shot for telling me that im going to die fraid not | ||
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I'm suspicious on you and votes are good for a myriad of reasons. | ||
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Soon as you come into the thread on d3 you start pushing me with no evidence to back it up. Then you jump on HF, the reasons are logical but i disagree with them. I voted you for the reasons I posted so good luck next game scumpalmar, die with your mafia buddies. | ||
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Then can you tell me what it is you are saying then? I looked through filters and slam was the only one i think unless i missed it that said bats was scum? | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote: If you think I'm mafia, why do you specifically think I want you dead? The simplest explanation is that i'm the easiest target, i'm a big question mark. My only cases are on townies, my vote on OO could be shown to be a bus, hopeless in a bad situation could of made up a case on me to get me towncred. I don't have a PR I can claim so i'm the easiest lynch for mafia to push, maybe kel is in the same zone as me but his play today has been decent mine has been horendous | ||
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HF/Palmar, Lets say you guys lynch me today and I flip town. I hope I do not get lynched because I am town, but I just want to bounce thoughts off you guys right here. Storr is bothering me right now, all game he has been riding lian pretty hard, pretty much its the only person he has been on all game. He pushes for Lian to get shot even though at eod he was really towny and into the night he was pretty towny. His other case on hopeless wasn't much to do with hopeless really, it mentioned lian a lot to. He gave a pretty bad list post of reads in page 7 or so of his filter a lot of general things. He hasn't really given much in the way of updated reads and when asked he said lets find mafia what about your reads etc.. He has been throwing a bit of fuel on the fire like his one post calling your rage fake palmar. And now he has a narrative (he also doesn't claim any of the roles that he could have) that screams of tmi and when i investigated part of what he said he backtracks and changes part of it to fit that i'm the poisoner. He just starting to feel really scummy to me, so lets say i'm wrong about you Palmar, which i'm not sold on i'm just frustrated with you right now. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:44 Holyflare wrote: ehh maybe not i dunno, still think that damdred saying that i will die tonight is really really fucking weird You are hf though trying to figure out the game, theres a good chance poisoner might of got you last night so you didn't get past today, or that mafia kills you since you are a rb. Still don't know if theirs a medic so maybe not | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:32 StorrZerg wrote: fantastic don't fight to live. don't help us figure out the game Its great trying to figure out something when everything that you say is followed with you lie lie lie lie lie lie. Isn't it? | ||
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Are you telling me you don't think the % chance of you dying tonight isn't high? | ||
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Overall, I think you are the one likely to die tonight, or more likely to die tonight especially since you caught mafia and are universally townread mostly. | ||
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Heres where i'm at my final reads I suppose before EOD: 1) Palmar is mafia, look at the way that he is hard reading kel right now. THIS GUY IS TOWN. Theres no way that overall we should be able to get kels alignment that well especially since palmar has not been reading the game, he has admitted to it and still hasn't. Through the whole game he has pushed me as mafia because i'm not memerable even though he didn't read the game. 2) He never once, really acted like town palmar. He was not interested in the going on in town he just randomly showed up voted left said something here and there. He was lurky until today until he tried to lead us to a lynch either me or HF. 3) He still has not contributed almost at all he is letting town destroy itself basically at this point. Kel is possibly right town is those he named and slam and palmar are most likely mafia. I like this conclussion | ||
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Obi/Kel lynch Palmar with me tonight or beat them over the head until they do it tommorow please. | ||
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 )HolyFlare: Sadly he is town, un cc'd roleblocker. Has led to one mafia. Small chance he is 3p but slightly unlikely with his amount of play. (if you are a powerrole please claim tommorow) OWS: D1 was really bad for obi, but he bounced back nicely in d2 and was on mafia from the start and pressured and led us to this lynch. His d3 wasn't to good he was lurky but I still think hes towny for the way he handled n1 and d2. Grock: Hes the Vig this guy is confirmed town (Do more tommorow please). Kel: Kel has taken a lot of heat the past three days. I really ask that everyone filter dives him after today. His d1 play was pretty towny he had a healthy amount of suspicion on people did not throw town reads around like candy and tried to figure out the game. His d2 consisted of being tunneled on obi and I believe his vote was elsewhere. His d3 was excellent tried to figure out the game and left obi alone for the most part. Hes probably town | ||
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Storr: Storr seems pretty ok, he was tunneled on liam and made up a good hypothesis to go along with the night kills. He could be coming from tmi but not 100% sold on this I doubt hes mafia or poisoner right now but don't rule it out. Slam: I have no idea how to read slam, he made a big post that was a bunch of nothing ho ps on everyone whos got a wagon looks like he just wants someone to die. Hes possibly the poisoner. In conclussion lynch Palmar then slam maybe storr/obi/kel depending on where the game is at at that point. | ||
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At the time I thought that liam was more scummy due to prior instances. He changed my mind with his talking about getting people back on hopeless so that we didn't waste another days talk. And he was right about that, fanfic taught me that also. | ||
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On October 14 2014 12:26 Grackaroni wrote: All I really remember Hopeless doing in terms of fighting was pushing his case on you and jumping on Obi despite thinking Obi was town maybe so but he made me stop and question for a second. and i was scum reading liam but i got back on hopeless to make sure he was lynched instead of obi i think it was and to not have the same conversation the next day | ||
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I think theres a slight difference when someone who hasn't done anything calls you scum over 2 posts and when someone calls you scum over a huge post. Theres a difference in a case presented by mafia that must be confronted and by mafia just doing nothing hpoing people jump on | ||
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Lynch Order: Palmar Slam/Storr Kel (depending if someone doesn't die from poison maybe higher) Obi (depending on tommorow can switch with kel or storr possibly) HF Medic if we have one or power roles claim tommorow if you haven't helped slim down everything, please evaluate everything that is said. If the pr seem overpowered for th setup investigate the player heavily please. I really want us to win this after the first two good days and we will. Medic please protect hf or someone you think is good to save. | ||
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I still loves you hf and long live rng | ||
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