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On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote:
In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then.
Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched.
hey damdred, i'm not sure what your read is on obiwan. you don't like his attempt to save his scumbuddy (link) but don't call him scum for it. You interact with OWS a bit here (link)
and that's it. Have you read OWS' filter? Do you still not like his attempt to save OO? What do you think of his followup today?
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Blazinghand
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On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum
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On October 11 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 01:37 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote:
In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then.
Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched. hey damdred, i'm not sure what your read is on obiwan. you don't like his attempt to save his scumbuddy (link) but don't call him scum for it. You interact with OWS a bit here (link)and that's it. Have you read OWS' filter? Do you still not like his attempt to save OO? What do you think of his followup today? I have read OWS filter and been watching him closely. I did not like the trying to get people off of OO, however i've been thinking really hard whether this would be scum motivated or town motivated. And i'm just not sure that scum would try to pull off people on their partner that would get lynched anyway and bring the heat down on themselves. I do not think that their was any chance that OO would not be lynched. I personally like shenanigans, but I wouldn't of been for it to switch to Palmar thats for sure especially on someone who was refusing to play. For the record I still do not like that he tried to pull people off even as a joke and the retreat from that is still scummy. OWS followup today has been generally towny, he has put in a good bit of effort defending himself and pushing a hopeless lynch. His day 2 is 100% better than d1 or N1, however I do still have a few problems with him but i've got a tentative town read still on him but wouldn't complain about a bullet to him.
So you'd be fine if a vigi shot him but don't want to lynch him? ;_; I get what you're saying about the shenannigans being a long shot. It certainly didn't seem particularly likely to succeed, and that's a point in OWS' favor. He also did take some crap for them, but he didn't take that much crap because it SEEMED so trolling. In my opinion OWS picked a semilurker and tried to see if people were interested, and left himself a verbal path of retreat by making it ridiculous and then backpedaling. Like, it was super non-obvious that it was a joke, and i'm pretty sure after suggesting it and hearing a reaction or two, he realized it wasn't happening and focused on saving his own skin. he didn't stick his neck out THAT far to save OO. He didn't argue long, he quickly said it was a joke. Heck, even with me shitting all over OWS constantly, I can barely russle up a vote or two against him; it was a calculated risk, which is pretty much what you'd expect from scum trying to save OO at that point. Obviously, scum wouldn't take a big risk or fakeclaim to save him or something, but the small risk, that's okay.
I will agree that during D2 OWS has significantly stepped up his game. This makes me slightly less sure he's scum. That being said, I don't think the way his reads developed was natural, it doesn't seem to me like "town read on hf, scumread on h1" was what would have come from what he had said earlier. Also interestingly, it seems like his reasons for voting h1 evolved from "I'm voting him due to the red check" to "I'm also voting him because he's scummy" when the red check thing stopped existing. It seems more like he just wants to be on the big wagon than he actually has an underlying scumread or thought process driving his actions. does that make sense to you?
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 02:03 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 01:32 liancourt wrote:
Dude that random random vote...I dont even wanna read your fluff infested filter now. You dug your own grave. Gg hope. DOES THIS NOT BOTHER ANYONE? hope was clearly joking, and look how serious lian takes it, way to serious........ this trumps his reason to read and look into the filter. and has now "dug his own grave" because of rng joke vote clearly mimicking bh.... hell i bet the math is wrong too
I'm assuming he's lying about the math since his vote ended up on the wagon you'd expect him to vote to save himself, and he's trolling. I'll check.
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier.
what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link).
Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon?
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On October 11 2014 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because you more than conveniently don't explain anything about like 90% of your reads and you have these 2 scum reads but nothing about them ever changes so reading these other people looks really odd from you when you don't say anything about why they're town over damd/lian being scum. It's really really strange that you have 2 scum reads but wpuld rather arbitrarily call other people town instead of pushing them I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game? This post Mod 12, storr is 0
This would make
1. Hopeless1der
2. Damdred
3. Palmer
4. Alakaslam
5. Grackaroni
6. liancourt
7. KelsierSC
8. batsnacks
9. Holyflare
10. BlazingHand
11. ObiWanShinobi
0. StorrZerg
His post count for the post is 23091395. 23091395 mod 12 is 11. So he did in fact RNG OWS, legitimately. Looking at the timing of his other posts on the site, he didn't game it.
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On October 11 2014 02:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:09 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 02:03 Palmar wrote:On October 10 2014 21:33 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 21:22 Holyflare wrote:
Because he's a twat face Really though. He freaked out last game about my soft claim that wasn't a soft claim, and here you've "claimed" like 10 times and he hasn't said anything. Yeah and in that one game I policy lynched a guy day 1 for not reading his role pm and in the next one I called policy lynches stupid. I do things because I feel like doing them. Me too Scum obiwan takes the path of least resistance... Obiwan is not taking the path of least resistance. I think HF already said something to that effect and I agree. I lynched Palmar when I could've lynched SD. I'd say that's anything but the path of least resistance.
clearly palmar, with his massive amount of thread presence, was a real threat to you. so much thread presence, so many posts, he was all over the thread. yes, this is a good point you make, definitely valid.
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:07 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier. what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? I think hopeless is by far the scummiest person in the game and the most likely to flip mafia. I just feel like voting damdred right now. I think he might be mafia, but I couldn't convince anyone he is so I haven't said anything. Besides we have like 10 hours.
ok, now your vote makes sense to me.
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 02:17 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because you more than conveniently don't explain anything about like 90% of your reads and you have these 2 scum reads but nothing about them ever changes so reading these other people looks really odd from you when you don't say anything about why they're town over damd/lian being scum. It's really really strange that you have 2 scum reads but wpuld rather arbitrarily call other people town instead of pushing them I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game? This post Mod 12, storr is 0 This would make 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Alakaslam 5. Grackaroni 6. liancourt 7. KelsierSC 8. batsnacks 9. Holyflare 10. BlazingHand 11. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg His post count for the post is 23091395. 23091395 mod 12 is 11. So he did in fact RNG OWS, legitimately. Looking at the timing of his other posts on the site, he didn't game it. lets say, it was possible the system was gamed. I mean the end result is, hopeless landed on someone that has a chance to be pushed over himself. Even if its not gamed, it stands to reason that hopeless is still "trolling" by doing this rng vote, since it mimics bh rng day 1. So still makes liam reason to push hopeless kinda weak, do you agree bh
Oh yeah hopeless is 100% trolling, but it looks to me like this was a legitimate RNG. It's not like it's particularly unlikely for it to land on OWS. not sure what liam's "reasoning" is but I don't like his posting today in general.
regardless, hopeless lynch isn't even close to as good as an OWS lynch
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Blazinghand
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I don't understand what's going on.
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On October 11 2014 02:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...BH can you be convinced that A) I am not scum and B) Obiwan is not scum?
If you want me to vote some third player (like lian or perhaps bats) you could just convince me they're scummier than OWS
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
I think hopeless case does not make me mafia at all.
The oats thing there was a little bit of time in between my initial points about how it was unlike oats. Which it’s still unlike oats to freak out like that about a joke claim that early, and it’s still a bit weird. I started off with a knee jerk reaction and ended up somewhere differently after a few hours and rereading what happened. I still wasn’t sold as Oats being super solid town but I thought it was a bit silly at the time to scum read him just on that, and when he came back to the thread he was pretty towny and then he got shot and was town. I think I did not show much in the way of progression on this read, probably should of fleshed it out more but I don’t think it makes me mafia. And if you were to scum read me for something like this its pretty prevalent in the thread that a lot of people have done just what I did.
If you look at Noir 2 for instance (BH WILL REMEMBER THIS), Robik got RNG’d he did not self vote and fuck off. He complained and fought against the lynch. It is not unreasonable to think, ok this lynch is not going to work the person who it landed on will fight for themselves and actually do stuff. Instead, he fucks off so yea its suspicious that someone would do that. Obviously my suspicion was well founded since he flipped mafia.
I think I’ve made it clear in past games that I’m not the biggest fan of policy lynches, and if OO was able to actually be able to produce content and be useful I wouldn’t of voted for him. But he fucked off right after and I had no choice but to vote. There is not much to say about this.
And yea, I don’t think BH has caught mafia before as far as I know with RNG. And…yea pretty sure hes going to use it more now. Also I have been calling BH town all game not just at that point when I said in tin foil land, I didn’t know if their was a way to game the system to get the point that BH wanted. I was educated and am better for it.
Looking at thread sentiment you can tell if someone has a legitimate shot at getting lynched today. People are suspicious of Liam I think, but just not sure if he should be the lynch at this point or that I could draw the support needed. I still think liam has a good shot at flipping scum, but the way that you’ve played the past two days hopeless left me in a position where either one was a decent lynch. And liam was town read by a few people who I’m town reading so I have a little pause today.
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 03:06 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 03:02 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...BH can you be convinced that A) I am not scum and B) Obiwan is not scum? If you want me to vote some third player (like lian or perhaps bats) you could just convince me they're scummier than OWS i want you to vote damdred...as per my case. Could you comment on it?
I'll take a look and tell you what I think
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Blazinghand
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I'm eating dinner buddy, it'll take some time for me to find and read the damdred case then read the filter and decide for myself. If he's obvious town why are you even worried
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I am kinda amazed that I can't get a lynch going on OWS. It's basically my fault for not playing this right, not appealing to what people think is scumtells, instead using my own logic. My goal isn't to convince myself, it's to convince you guys now.
In any case, I'm back and will read the damdred case, and see what the deal is. Let me know if you guys need anything from me.
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Blazinghand
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OWS has made noises that sound townie, but when push came to shove he tried to save OO. You can't possibly say that's townie. Hell, his backtrack was scummy as heck anyways
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you guys just gotta see, OWS is scum. point me at a post that you think makes him townie or a series of posts, link or quote it, and i'll show you why that's not true
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On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia?
my wagon is righteous and all that oppose me shall feel remorse!
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posted in the wrong thread, reposting here:
On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 07 2014 07:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2014 22:57 Damdred wrote:
Oats is being super weird this game and it makes my skin crawl, last time we played he got really defensive about claiming and fought against it pretty hard. That doesn't make me look good on Oats right now.
Bat you and me are friends this game! On October 06 2014 23:37 Damdred wrote:
When I first read the interchange I was pretty sure that it was a joke, but oats reactions throughout the rest of the thread is just weird. Oats why are you so defensive? I've never seen you play like this after getting called scum, you usually do not react at all just go on about your day, so whats up On October 07 2014 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Thats just how BH is, RNG IS LIFE!?!
Reading over Oats again, his frustration seems real. A few things do not line up but i'm not so sure its alignment indicative i've never been good at reading oats granted.
So are you scum reading BH Kel?
Slam. I know you just put hf as a null correct? Do you make anything of hf putting all this pressure on oats? Would it be more town or scum motivated to do everything he did? this is a pretty weird chain of events by the way, incredibly simplified and surface level! First of all you scum read him because when he played scum he did the exact same thing and then suddenly when the topic is pushed aside your read flips and his frustration is real (despite making your skin crawl originally) so much so that you overlook all the inconsistencies. Maybe so but the game is still young and reads have an ability to grow or become nonexistent. Oats overreacting still makes me feel weird, and him joking around about claiming flies in the face of what he acted like in the last mafia game I played with him when he fought really hard and called me an idiot for even suggesting it so yes it would naturally make my skin crawl. Frustration can be real as scum or as town, I do not know Oats alignment yet or have much to work off of yet and i'm bad at reading Oats. I just realize that when people get frustrated they bluster and have inconsistencies in how they type or react to it. Townies lie and can be just as inconsistant but yes oats is still on the weird side for me. ^HF raised this before. Damdred's progression re: oats is scummy. OK so what seems to be going on here is Damdred says "oats is weird" then he continues to think oats is weird, then he comes up with a random townread on him. yeah, I don't see a good thought progression here. it's possible damdred is scummy for this, but this isn't imo damning evidence. Could just be he changed his mind and didn't articulate himself well. Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Kel when you get back will you tell me what he actively disturbed? Was our thread conversation that good at the time? On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?
You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 09:01 Damdred wrote:
OO when you catch up you have to talk to me. Right now you are a plague on the thread, if we don't kill you at this point tommorow will be ruled about the lynch that should of been, so eight now I am inclined to lynch you just so we can focus on other things tommorow.
However I don't like policy lynched, so pretend I have a gun to your head give me your best scum reads when done and we will go from their 3 would be great Last ditch effort to get OO to produce something. He could have just posted this in the QT if they're scum together... Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Meh I'm going to vote for oo he hasn't tried to bleed town yet OO gets bussed. reasonable, the late vote looks like a bus. Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 13:09 Damdred wrote:
BH will be insufferable now d1 with rng lynch, but he has converted me nevermind that the RNG caught scum, damdred is more concerned that BH will be insufferable in the future. Nice. tone problems, but nothing damdred said was false. a small point against damdred Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 09 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote:On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life wtfisthisidonteven. Just finished calling BH town, then invents reasons to question that read that dont even make sense. Damdred's lack of RNG understanding is stupid, but this does not make him scum.
blah blah yeah the case on lian is bad we get it
Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:I already commented briefly that his case only has a couple points that I consider scummy. damdred is just piling onto Lian and looking busy but is not following up, hasn't even voted for his scumread and isn't pushing his own case. He's now sitting on my wagon. On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote:
In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then.
Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched. Is this not the same shit that I'm being scumread for? Damdred hasn't even tried but he knows he cant get it done? Bull. lack of follow up is legit look you could look into anyone's filter and find little inconsistencies like this. Could be damdred is scum, but I don't see any of this even remotely convincing comapred to OWS
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In any case, moral of the story is that we should stay on OWS, who is obviously dojing and doesn't want to play the game, and obviously backpedals all kinds of stuff including his bald-faced attempt to save OO
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