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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:00 GMT
#721
Lian, here's your new stamp:
[image loading]

Please make sure you fill it out accordingly
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:14 GMT
#732
palmar why do you need to have BH's stance on RNG lynches explained to you? Have you not encountered his antics like 50 bajillion other times by now?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#741
On October 08 2014 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Like I have literally no clue what you're talking about Hopeless

I know you like to say you never read anything but....seriously? You havent seen BH do his "This post# Mod playercount = RNG lynch 10000%" before?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#743
On October 08 2014 06:19 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
@Palmar

Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction.

Nope, haven't read any of it.


when exactly are you going to post anything so I can analyze you?

look out palmar he's got a stamp!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:31 GMT
#752
On October 08 2014 06:29 liancourt wrote:
oh wait hope wasnt pointing fingers at me he was just giving me the scum sheet.

my bad

To be fair I am scumreading you for that same list post +reasoning Storr has in his case.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:51 GMT
#767
On October 08 2014 06:49 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to.


So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it.

no u
On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.

This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 21:58 GMT
#773
On October 08 2014 06:52 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm changing my scum reads to keiser and Oats. Where is oats?
+ Show Spoiler +

He "pressures" keiser with a vote:

On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


Then he's satisfied very easily with I'm not sure what for I'm not sure what reasons:

On October 07 2014 19:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah cool you changed my mind. Great job kelsier.

##unvote
Liancourt and oo might be scum.
Liancourt cause he has no scum reads other than "they did nothing"


Then he picks the easy target that isn't his mafia buddy:

On October 08 2014 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote oo
I tshink this is the pretty clear choice for today.


The only time he's mentioned OO previously was here, in the same post he scum reads keiser:

On October 07 2014 15:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
The obi stuff is interesting. He doesn't defend himself in any meaningful, rational way. Just gets irrationally angry and hf and starts a fight. I would expect scum to not be so foolish and actually defend themself with better stuff.
Too bad to be scum is my current read.

Keilsar or whatever his name is is scummy for reasons.
So is oo.
I think there's definitely scum in the lurkers so lynching into there is fine. Liencourt never responded to my question


And he's scum reading them both for literally "reasons [sic]"


His vote on keiser seems fake.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 22:04 GMT
#777
On October 08 2014 07:03 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:00 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:57 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:55 Palmar wrote:
batsnacks with the associative reads

#proscumhunter


It's not an associative read. I think his vote is fake even if they're not both scum, which I think they both are.

Why are you posting when you haven't read the thread?

Because interactive reads are usually far more valuable than reading after the fact, because you can more accurately process the emotional state of the player involved. This is one of the main reasons that by far the largest contributor to success in mafia is simply spending as much time as you can in front of the thread.


You're can't interact with the thread if you haven't read the thread. What you're doing is interacting with yourself.

We're all watching you "interact" with yourself.

you just interacted with palmar. sadly its useless, but you've already proven yourself wrong. grats
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 22:07 GMT
#779
7ish
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 22:10 GMT
#781
You asked for a scalar answer and got one dont get bitchy with me. Learn how to pose a question nub.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 22:11 GMT
#782
wait are you saying i have to explain or are you saying oats didnt explain?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 22:14 GMT
#784
On October 08 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
wait are you saying i have to explain or are you saying oats didnt explain?


I'm saying oats didn't explain. His reasons for scum reading and voting keiser were LITERALLY:

"reasons"

As in he just wrote the word "reasons" and didn't say anything else.

"reasons" is also the why he unvoted and switched to OO.

He didn't say anything else.

I refer you to page 28
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 22:18 GMT
#786
On October 08 2014 07:15 StorrZerg wrote:
Still waiting for oo to come in lol

maybe his train was delayed? huehue
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 23:09 GMT
#816
Wow that was long winded BH.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 08 2014 01:07 GMT
#862
On October 08 2014 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people

I agree scum would want to have other suspicions if OO is town and some people did consider Liancourt scum when Storr wrote some things about Liancourt. I just didn't see anyone consider obi scum when HF/I really put a lot of effort into trying to make people consider obi scum so that makes me believe obi is mafia regardless of OO. But yeah scum would be even more incentivized to suspect Obi if the wagon is already falling on mafia.

This really isn't helpful for other people because it could just be no mafia is joining because HF/I are mafia and we were trying to find a mislynch but I just like to look at games in this way.


Some of my wat to you grack.

In your worldview, scum1 could be lead wagon, you then make a case on scum2 and expect scum3 to jump ship (busses)?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 08 2014 01:11 GMT
#865
whered OO run off to? oO
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 08 2014 01:25 GMT
#871
honestly, he showed up, voted BH and bitched us out a little. If he doesn't flip scum I'm gonna be sad.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 08 2014 03:45 GMT
#901
"this lynch is no fun"

b/c people arent kicking and screaming or something.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 08 2014 04:03 GMT
#919
Praise be to RNGesus, our one true lord and savior
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 08 2014 04:03 GMT
#922
k going to bed, night
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