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Vigi not even in the game, gotcha scum! | ||
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On September 25 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote: Also scum not even in the game, gotcha wolf. Fuck.  | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: There is a voting thread. Use it. Oh god. Step 1. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote: I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Don't read too much into the first hour or so. Also I think they're partially making fun of the whole discrepancy between vote in thread / separate voting thread. | ||
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On September 25 2014 09:22 SkyDragon wrote: Yeah, I'm here. Just going through some old material to see how people play these games. If you're going to ask me what I think, I'm a little suspicious of Holy, Hopeless and Haru right now. As GB has stated, HF and Hopeless are playing a little weird and two of them outright claimed to be Town from the start (I'm always suspicious of people who are over-eager to tell everyone that they're good). Eager to see what you come up with. And yes, I was going to ask you that, so thanks for answering. | ||
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Palmar not acting scummy d1 is ironically making me quite suspicious. Wouldn't mind seeing a wagon on him today so I can hard read him town or scum. StorrZerg gets a daypass for today! Reason is quite simple, I've seen Storr's scum game twice now (last game and watching mafia all-stars) and I'm pretty confident in identifying it (d2+). Hopeless seems weird to me at this point. Possibly scummy. I like the interactions with GB, but then interacts with Sky and this pops up: On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK. Like what is the point of this? Are you getting any relevant information off this question (besides whether he's female)? Seems like filler. This is at best not alignment indicative. Fecalfeast feels scummy. Last game he seemed to be very retracted and unsure (d3) and I read him scum because of it. He ended up being town. Now it seems like he's both brimming with confidence and at the same time still apologizing a lot. This combination feels scummy to me, like you're either confident or you're not. This (specifically, the apologizing) just feels fake. Also I'm not sure where the confidence is coming from. Doesn't help that he has a lot of posts but very little actual content. Most comes from answering people pinging him out, and it is still very little. Wouldn't mind lynching him for now. SkyDragon is scummy for me at the moment as well. Promised a bunch of shit and never delivered on anything. However, seems very eager to answer about his site's meta in a most elaborate fashion. Wouldn't be surprised that if either Sky or Hopeless flips scum, the other is scum as well. Provide your reads or I'm lynching the shit out of you. That's all for now. I'm really fucking tired but around for interactions. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:20 SkyDragon wrote: I'd probably say Storr is most suspicious to me as scum, followed by ObiWan and Hopeless. How does this follow from your reads? This makes no sense. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:27 SkyDragon wrote: What do you mean "Game solved"? I don't trust anybody on the first day so I'm suspicious of everyone until more information comes to light during later days. I actually was going to put you in place of Hopeless there because of your lack of interaction over the last 24 hours but Hopeless seems more suspicious somehow. I'm curious how you put hopeless on your scumlist there. You seem to have some sort of opinion on everyone besides those 2 (as I've said before), even if it is null. Like, you haven't even given an opinion on hopeless (and bats), and he somehow appears on your top 3 scum? How does this happen? | ||
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Sky, would you support a hopeless lynch? | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:53 GlowingBear wrote: This is wrong :/ you should consider everyone. Can you explain why? This is how I see it: Storr is scum: d1 he fools me, probably gets a misslynch. d2 I probably get a scumread on him and want to kill him. Storr is town: d1 gets a pass, d2 I probably read him as town this day and rest of all days to come. Worst case scenario we trade 1 townie for 1 scum, best case scenario I don't waste my time reading someone who is town on d1 and increase chances of hitting scum overall. Keep in mind, this all is if I have no read on Storr d1, and I currently think he's likely town (I don't see any of his scum play). Just give your opinion if you really think I'm doing something wrong here and let's move on. I'm not lynching storr today, end of story. | ||
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On September 26 2014 08:02 SkyDragon wrote: Seer is welcome to spy on me, I have nothing to hide. ??? | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:57 Killing wrote: All you need to win this game is a town circle of 7 (including yourself). Killing Storr Superbia HF Haru Hopeless I personally think that's a strong town circle. Basically just need 1 more and game is easy rares especially since seer will probably come out with red or green on someone scummy tommorow. I really wanna hear reads from obi and bat. How are you reading hopeless town? | ||
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Bats, I like the energy you're putting into the read on GB, but I don't know how to feel about it. It feels like the meat of your read just seems like a gutread you're trying to justify and put it into words (like the third person read) and it feels a little awkward. I'm not sold on your read (feels like GB is just pushing), but I'm reading you town because of it. (Also the reads part was pretty funny) | ||
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On September 26 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote: @Superbia the GB thing is a gut read. It's not a gut read I'm taking lightly though. I'm serious about everything I said. Yeah that's fine. I might look it over again tomorrow, but for now I'll stay tentative since GB is still active. I really liked the palmar-vote read you posted afterwards, though. | ||
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On September 26 2014 09:12 SkyDragon wrote: @Superbia - What you said is a non-issue to me. Storr was most suspicious to me anyway, and ObiWan became suspicious once Storr said that he's probably Town. I added Hopeless as third most suspicious before your comment about my read on Hopeless so it doesn't mean anything. I was going to call out Bats once Storr said to push someone but then he decided to make an appearance so I didn't have to. So who do you think is most likely scum at this point? Storr or Bats? | ||
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On September 26 2014 09:15 batsnacks wrote: I'm going to be upset if GB and skydragon are both mafia but it's not looking good for them. Why would this upset you? | ||
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On September 26 2014 09:19 SkyDragon wrote: I would say Bats at this stage. Storr just doesn't seem as suspicious to me anymore. Why? Your main read on Storr was that he was aggressive (correct me if I'm wrong here), which he still very much is. | ||
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On September 26 2014 10:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Come on man, spill the beans. You have to have some half-baked reads Rofl, regardless of alignment, FF is entertaining. | ||
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Town: StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+. Null (but special): batsnacks - His push on GB read town to me. But then he pushes on Sky which is really fucking easy at that point in time. He does instantly back off as soon as Storr does. This might just be scum trying to buddy up by sheeping Storr, which would mean that Sky is town. As such, I'm ready to put bats on my scum list if Sky flips town (which means I'm decently happy to lynch Sky today). Palmar - Palmar trying to take charge of town is scaring the shit out of me. Where was this Palmar last game? What changed? I like his Hopeless push, it's someone who I've felt might be scummy as well. But ugh. Does anyone have any information on Palmar's scumplay with links and shit? Because at this rate I'm never going to have a good read on him unless we lynch hopeless and he flips scum, which I'm not convinced about at this point in time. Palmar, what is your opinion on FF? Have you read what I've said about him? If so, what do you think? Scum: Fecalfeast - Read still the same, he hasn't done anything significant since I've given this read except go on Sky, which seems like a very fucking easy lynch/push at that point. The fact that no one else has pinged you out for this is also really weird. Scum should be on your fucking ass for this shit, but no one is. You're scum. SkyDragon (leaning) - You've been given some space, I'm expecting you to use this space before the EoD to come up with some good content. Failure to do so means I lynch you. Hopeless (leaning) - Palmar has given a decent push on hopeless already. His filter feels devoid of any kind of proactivity. Why are you fine with sitting back and just giving comments? Fucking do something (see below). I would also really like to see you start a push on someone. I'd prefer lynching FF and Sky (if he keeps lurking) over hopeless right now, but I think we have a somewhat decent shot of hitting scum here if we want to go down this path. At this point I would like a town/scum circle/list from the following people before EoD: - Hopeless1der - Glowingbear - ObiWanShinobi - HaruRH - FecalFeast - Batsnacks - justanothertownie - StorrZerg ##Vote: FecalFeast | ||
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On September 27 2014 00:56 HaruRH wrote: And if any of you are pissed i am attending worlds rather than playing d1, where i suck the most, tell me and I'll ask for a replacement immediately. I am NOT interested in answering another 'read' on using my inactivity as a scum read. Eh, whatever. I'm not interested in lynching you today anyway. I'd really like it if you can give some clear opinions on more than 1 person today, however. Even if they're just gut reads. | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:00 Holyflare wrote: Also the last I read of fecal I actually liked him so these people that are calling him scummy are super weird, superbia also called him scum because he didn't get called out....? In fact most of superbias reads are really superficial and sheeped (the bad kind with no extra thinking) and the fact he further calls fecal scum for reading sky as scum despite having sky as one of his own scum reads IS SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY Why do you read fecal as town? What has he done this game that you like? He pushed on sky while everyone was pushing on sky and never got called out for it, especially after his fucking weird behaviour (which I've explained before). Like you call my push superficial and sheeping, so it's quite obvious that you haven't actually read into it. What are you doing? | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote: Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal. The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do. What is your opinion on Fecal? | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:12 Palmar wrote: I haven't read him, and haven't noticed him yet. Eh, fair enough. Can you read my case on him and his filter before EoD? | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:14 StorrZerg wrote: filter diving him now. only recalled 1 thing he said. figured i needed to update myself on him. I'll read more into his filter later (have to go soon). | ||
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If plenty of people jump on a certain person after he's been read scummy by others, then that fucking stands out to me. Two worlds: Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard. Sky is scum -> Less information, not going to draw any hard conclusions from this. Stop wasting my fucking time dude, I don't have all the time and energy in the world. If you have questions fucking ask them, don't just start some shitty push on me because then I have to fucking walk through my entire thought process. Now I have to fucking go and my time could've been spent on something more productive. I'll be back before EoD. | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:40 GlowingBear wrote: "Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard." Also, this logic is way, way off. Ugh real quick then, why? | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:44 GlowingBear wrote: Because you simply can't tell if at least one scum is jumping in the wagon. It could be pure town. Here, you're basically saying that there is one scum and that scum is batsnacks, when you should say batsnacks is scum, therefore, there is 1 scum in that wagon. This is just how I feel about it at the moment. I feel there is a high chance that a scum voted there and I'm happy to read it as such at this point in time. I made a similar read last game and I got shit for it as well. Guess what? I was right. If we lynch Sky we either hit scum or we (or at least I) get information from the push on him. Though at this point I would rather lynch Fecal because I have a much heavier scumread on him than I have on Sky. Now there are people in my room annoying me to go with them so now I'm really gone. | ||
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On September 27 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote: Also your main scum read was fecalfeast who you said was jumping all over skydragon yet your choice of one scum jumping on skydragon was seemingly batsnacks who actually pulled off of skydragon. It's mindbogglingly inconsistent. This is actually a really good point. I can't believe I missed this. I feel a lot better about bats now. Going to read the rest of the thread now and do some diving on JAT. If there are any other questions feel free to ask them, I'm no longer in a rush. | ||
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On September 27 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2014 01:18 Holyflare wrote: Just going to go out there and say this is almost the worst post in the thread. I said before and apparently superbia just criticised me for not reading it so I'll show you why it's ultimately terrible. First and foremost, his read on storr is so weird because it relies on storr stopping pushing on his scum read because a lot of pressure was on the scum read (many people have actually done this but superbia only focuses on storr here for no reason). Secondly, his null reads on Batsnacks and Palmar. Not only is his read on batsnacks super duper supppperrrr wishy washy it is ridiculous. He gives town points to storr for backing off on skydragon but then when batsnacks has supposedly posted towny things (in superbia's eyes) and then does the same thing as storr batsnacks could be scummy!?!?!? Not only that but then he further adds the scummiest thing ever in this paragraph that if skydragon flips town that batsnacks is scum. This is so uncalled for and makes so little sense that it screams scummy to me. His Palmar read is meh and he can't be bothered to research it for himself but it's not really anything to care about other than him only being able to trust palmar if hopeless flips mafia despite palmar pushing several people and not just hopeless. Now. Shit gets scummy. Not only does superbia scum read skydragon but throughout this entire post he has been saying people are scummy for scum reading and pressuring skydragon. Not only should this be contradictory to his own thought process but instead he should be determining the opposite reads, that the people pressuring his scum reads are more towny. Apparently just because he pressured sky when everyone else did fecal becomes somehow the scummiest out of EVERYONE in the game that did the same thing. Despite still scum reading sky. He also uses some crap about nobody calling him out for it which doesn't make any sense because what he has posted hasn't been too bad when I looked at it. Hopeless read is.... not really a read but w/e + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2014 02:19 Holyflare wrote: The red is just a flat out lie: can't read till day 2 ^ ^ not considering today can read later ^ he will fool you on day 1 and day 2 you can read him thennnnnnnnnnnnnnn magically your town read evolves out of nothing and he gets 1000 town points for doing something relatively straightforward but apparently you've already explained how he he is town and now you just get angry when I know your filter better than yourself The rest of your post is exactly what I was talking about before, you're living in a super world where sky flips town and making associations based on that despite him not flipping, yet, for some reason, the alternative isn't worth your time exploring despite being an easier thing to do. ESPECIALLY as you're scum reading sky so that should be the universe you are living in. + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote: Also your main scum read was fecalfeast who you said was jumping all over skydragon yet your choice of one scum jumping on skydragon was seemingly batsnacks who actually pulled off of skydragon. It's mindbogglingly inconsistent. here is everything so you can pay attention now and comment on more than just his useless town read of you because it is so so so much more than that Do you feel there is anything I haven't responded to yet? | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:19 Palmar wrote: where the hell is your case on FF? Btw, I started his filter, and he seems to have a pretty casual/joking attitude early game. Sure it's easy to fake as mafia, but I'm not sure it makes him one, but I'm only like 1/3 through. My first big post elaborates on his behaviour and how I feel he's being two contradictory things at the same time (confident and apologetic). After this post the only thing he does is join in on an easy push on Sky, which is very easy and just nothing. I feel like he isn't being proactive and he isn't trying to find scum. He can only get scummier if he actually hard claims mafia. | ||
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On September 27 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote: It's very weird that you decide to make a list post, which is already pretty inconsistent with what you were doing in your newbie game before but then NOT include everything about the player that you are town reading or scum reading is it not? It is also particularly strange that you stated you had given reasons for storr being town previously but you had not at all. So really, the only reason in your filter for storr being town is his leaving pressure off of skydragon. It is only now that you are retroactively adding things on. You've also neglected to comment on why you decided it was best to live in worlds where scum were likely to be pressuring skydragon repeatedly when you are scum reading skydragon yourself. If you are scum reading this person then why are you scum reading people for continuing to pressure their scum read......? Why aren't you instead dismissing any potential world where skydragon flips mafia. Your entire reads are based off of him flipping town pretty much. At this point I'm not going to elaborate on my read on Storr until at least EoD2. I don't want him to know how I read him in case he's still scum here, which I will probably know by the end of d2. Also this is my 4th game of mafia ever (3rd game of forum mafia), I'm not going to stick to the same style as I did during my newbie game. Like my last game wasn't even the same as my newbie game. I'm not sure about Sky being scum dude. I don't have a hard read on him. As such I'm going to live in both worlds until he actually flips. So yes, I will look ahead and contemplate on what might happen. I felt like him flipping town would give me the most info as there were a lot of people pushing on him, so I was focusing on that world. As soon as a multitude of people just straight up joined in on the push I felt very iffy about it. Don't get me wrong, I still think he might be scum, but I didn't like how a lot of people just straight up joined the push. | ||
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On September 27 2014 04:24 Holyflare wrote: Why are***** you instead dismissing any potential world where skydragon flips mafia. Your entire reads are based off of him flipping town pretty much. Just elaborated on this. | ||
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On September 27 2014 04:34 HaruRH wrote: Right, everyone should switch to superbia now. He basically claimed scum. ??? | ||
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I am also a superactive player but it is really hard to post/get something going this game for some reason. which feels like fucking bullshit to me. I don't know if this has to do with his travel or what, but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a wagon on him tomorrow. He's either lazy town or scum. | ||
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FecalFeast - GB called you out for your "confident/apologetic" excuse, but you never actually responded to it (afaik). Reading back I might've actually misread the context due to how filters worked, so the point I made about that is moot. I'm not going to back off from "resistance", because said "resistance" was misreading what I was saying, intentional or not. The point that you're passive as fuck still stays. I don't think you're trying to solve the game, you're just repeating what other people have been saying. That being said, I don't fucking know at this point in time. I hope someone points out some obvious slip before I go to sleep because I'm too fucking tired to find new shit to pursue at this point. | ||
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On September 27 2014 07:03 batsnacks wrote: I want to give sky another day. Would lynch Superbia because of everything HF said, but I'm keeping my vote on GB for now. Are you even up to date with this? | ||
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On September 27 2014 07:05 justanothertownie wrote: So essentially you are reading me scum because you are familiar with my more active town meta. Maybe you should try to read my only scumgame then - inactivity is no scum trait of mine. Which makes the meta read invalid. It just means that I don't have as much time on my hands right now regardless of alignment. Whatever, I'll revisit you tomorrow. | ||
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On September 27 2014 07:10 batsnacks wrote: If you had chosen to not post instead you would have produced the same amount of content. I'm actually just disappointed at this point. I put so much energy into getting people to read what I was posting the right way and people are still misreading me as scum and not taking my Fecal push seriously. If you still feel the same way about this all after reading everything then you're either donkey town or scum. I'm done with the situation. | ||
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On September 27 2014 07:21 Fecalfeast wrote: I think skydragon is where my vote will stay. I don't have much else to say for now as multiple people have covered why Sky is a really good target right now. I responded, though it wasn't as serious a response as you're probably looking for. If this is why you dislike me you are actually looking really scummy to me. I am playing passive by posting my thoughts and not having OMG THIS PERSON IS SCUM THEY DIE NOW reactions to the slightest scummy posts? Okay. I am being scummy by posting things that have already been said, when half this game is spent reading one person's posts out of context? Okay. I'm not buying it and really don't think you're being productive with this push. Let me know if I'm misreading you here. You admit to being scummy by sheeping, but it doesn't matter because I am reading your posts out of context? | ||
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I think the current wagons are all right, I'm not sure about GB. I think Sky should be given a chance tomorrow, as bats has said. It's unfortunate that hopeless is afk, as I hate lynching afkers. That being said, I think hopeless is the most likely hit out of the current wagons, followed by sky. I'm off to sleep for now. | ||
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Holyflare - I don't think the game would even progress without him. Town until there's a check or a scumslip. Killing - Hard claims seer with a fake red, but later switches it to a double green check (one of which is conveniently dead). Like what the fuck are you even doing here? No cop would out here since you're giving town virtually nothing. Feels like scum trying to test the waters and see if they can bait out a counterclaim and get away with it. Doesn't help that he just literally ragequits the game right after, which scum loves to do. If it wasn't for the fact that we only have 1 PR I would lynch him right now, as it stands I don't even want to take the slightest risk when it comes to possibly lynching cop. That being said, I don't really believe it. batsnacks - If there was a third party role, this would be the guy. He's playing the game upside down or something. Scumreads 2/3 of my town and townreads my current scum. Shit like this also stands out: Palmar doesn't get mad like this. Town Palmar would have afked like he said he would. He's mafia. Go vote him Killing. You played last game, Palmar stepped it up big time during d2. This read makes no fucking sense, just by reading Palmar's last game you should know this (specifically his d2 play). And then there is post #1132. Why don't you just admit that you soft claimed? You can't start the day off like that and expect people not to think you're soft claiming. It would've been fine in my eyes if you just backed off, but instead you make that overly defensive post. It just doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. Decently sure bats is scum, but I actually don't like a scumteam with both killing and bats, their interaction was too close, if that makes sense. I feel like we'll only hit 1 between the 2. Vote doesn't go on him because of the slightest possibility of Killing actually being cop. Palmar - Actually really like Palmar's d2 and I'm not sure why so many people are giving him shit. He's straight to the point and no bullshit. It really seems like he is trying to defuse the clowning around soft claiming for an hour and straight up filter the information. It also helps that this made it way easier for me to read parts of d2. Liking Palmar as town. Fecalfeast - Stepped up his d2 play in my eyes. He's saying relevant shit and is active with regards to relevant subjects (I also have to admit that I liked the jokes about sheeping). Get the feeling this guy might be town but I want to wait a little before I put him in my towncircle. He's definitely not a lynch for now. justanothertownie - His posts feel a lot less vanilla-town this day and I like it. Didn't even have to visit the filter to notice his posts! Him pinging out killing also let to the weak cop claim, so if killing flips scum JAT is pretty much confirmed town. Leaving him null for now. Also not a lynch for now. Will elaborate on other people who stand out (notably Sky at this point) come tomorrow, after I've had some sleep. Also we really need to resolve the Killing claim because my two primary scumreads are ironically the entire cop circle thing. I don't know if cop should counterclaim at this point though. I would rather take a bigger chance on a mislynch and for cop to have a possible red check on d3 at this point, followed by a double (and with slight possibility even triple) hit. I either scumread in the Sky/Obi/Haru group tomorrow, or new posts cause me to re-evaluate, or I'm completely clueless where to put my vote. | ||
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JAT, I was talking about vanilla posts, not vanilla town posts. Vanilla posts are posts with no real flavor, like you don't give a shit about the game. I got that feeling from you d1, not d2. Palmar, I love to live in a world where the scumteam is sky/obi/haru, and I actually don't think it's that unlikely (see below). I also don't think my read is that godlike yet (I'm not willing to ride or die with you like I was during the previous game), so don't expect to be on my townlist for the rest of the game. That being said, this half of the day gave you even more townpoints (I admit, complimenting my filter played a part in these townpoints). Now, with that being said, let's solve this game. Skydragon - I really dislike how sky seems to play on the whole "from a different site" quite a bit (i.e. too much). I feel like he's playing the "I am the poor excluded guest" card to get by the days. This specifically stood out to me today: On September 28 2014 18:09 SkyDragon wrote: You guys are the worst group of people I've ever played with, hands down. You can all pat yourselves on the back when I'm confirmed Villager. He's done this before (#513, and to a lesser extend #1376), and it's always when there is some pressure coming his way. I feel like this may very well be a scum shield (indirect appeal to emotion through "poor excluded guest" card). Now let's take a look at #1386. What's the mindset behind this post? We're definitely not lynching Killing today unless someone counterclaims. So why do you feel like like you need to verify Killing's claim in such an extensive manner when it is utterly irrelevant at this point? Here's what I'm getting at: it doesn't seem like Sky wants to achieve anything today except look townie/not get lynched. I think he's scum. ObiWanShinobi - Obi seems very non-committed with his play and I don't like it. Here's the thing, I feel like his mindset may very well be town, but he's just not trying or something. Why are you not trying? You seem to be active enough to be present during large portions of the game, but why are you not pushing an agenda? We get shit like this: On September 28 2014 23:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm starting to think about Haru. I don't really know where he stands on anything now that Killing claimed Seer, and I can't remember anything he has posted except the fact that he dropped Killing from his scumlist for no reason. Don't get me wrong, I like the read (as in, the person you're considering), but where is the follow up? What do you want to do today? I don't know about obi, I think he may very well be scum, but I don't have that good of a read on him at the moment. Either lazy town or scum. Sky is a better lynch. HaruRH - Is haru even playing at this point in time? In all seriousness, does anyone know if he/she is still at the LoL tournament? I don't like to lynch lurkers, but at this point, what the fuck. Haru started d2 off pretty strong with some vote logic which wasn't too bad and followed it up with why a killing lynch isn't bad. Here's the thing, you haven't done anything else this game, and your killing lynch has fallen completely apart (him claiming cop doesn't work in your favor, but also doesn't necessarily say anything about your alignment). You've tunneled on the person who eventually claims cop and you have done nothing else. It doesn't help that your push was at the beginning of the day, which means that anything can still happen (excellent time to try to get some free townpoints). As with Obi, I don't have a hard read on Haru at the moment. Either lazy donkey town or scum. Sky is a better lynch. Both Obi and Haru are excellent wagons for d3 at this rate. If they don't step up their game, I will lynch them. Sky is a pretty good lynch for today. ##Vote: Skydragon | ||
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In all seriousness, what do you think of my case on Sky then? Are you willing to be a wagon on d3 if it means Haru is one as well? | ||
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On September 29 2014 03:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think he's asking if I'm willing to lay my life down for my read. Or something equally dumb. At least then you'll be doing something for town. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:38 StorrZerg wrote:Still busy. I'll try and do my best tomorrow when I'm done biking. Apparently. | ||
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This topic is probably a waste of time imo. | ||
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On September 29 2014 04:29 batsnacks wrote: People who have given a read on Palmar other than me: Holyflare I townread palmar, or does that not count? | ||
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On September 29 2014 04:27 SkyDragon wrote: Super, what are your thoughts on HF? What's the likelihood that he's scum? Actually think it's pretty low. He's been pretty much leading town and is leading relevant topics. I don't agree with all of his reads, but I don't think he's scum at this point in time. Scum could've just let town rot. If he's scum we're in big fucking trouble. | ||
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On September 29 2014 04:42 batsnacks wrote: Maybe mafia lynched GB because he had the second largest filter d1 behind HF, so maybe mafia lynched the town with the largest filter. Who knows. | ||
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Palmar, who do you think is mafia among those voting on Skydragon? | ||
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On September 29 2014 08:41 Superbia wrote: Why are my reads weird again? | ||
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I'm not convinced man. The whole icelandic thing and the policy lynches thing are both really weak. His fake post? Makes sense from my perspective. The only thing you have on him is the sudden townread on you, which is in no way alignment indicative enough for me to switch. Like do you have any other substantial reads? How did you even switch to Palmar that quickly? | ||
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On September 29 2014 09:31 batsnacks wrote: I can't remember the last time I paid attention to one of Superbia's posts. If you're town you probably should pay attention to my posts. | ||
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On September 29 2014 09:32 StorrZerg wrote: palmar isn't doing anything. Sky could be town and be just bad. super fucking bad. (he still is likely mafia) palmars previous game, he had reads as town. he "did things" i really don't care if he is known for policy, his entire play has been policy over stupid things. He literally doesn't care about EoD There are a lot of players right now who aren't fucking caring about EoD. Why palmar over sky or haru? | ||
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On September 29 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote: We've had 36 hours to discuss palmar, who I've made about 20 posts on and nobody said shit. Suddenly it's massive counter wagon onto palmar with 15 minutes to go. Fuck you guys. | ||
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On September 29 2014 09:50 StorrZerg wrote: why are you complaining about this so much? Seems like all your posts are complaints in the past hour. No discussion, no reason as to why we should stay sky, or why palmar is bad its just "waaaaahhhhh" I've given my entire read on sky already and he has ragequit. Literally has given no more information. I've also given my read on Palmar dude, it's mostly a gut-read but whatever. | ||
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You guys are retards. | ||
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My townread on Storr was actually pretty straightforward. As mafia he hangs back and is happy to let shit happen. When he's mafia it's really fucking obvious that he doesn't care what happens, so he's very reactive. I was ready to call him scum at the end of d2 because he was basically camping all day (he afked a lot last game, when he was scum, as well). He did come back at the end of the day and was pretty proactive, but the push last night was so fucking bad that my scum-read on Storr may be invalid (I'm not confident in it at this point in time). Hence he's off my townlist (currently null leaning town). Let's do some vote-gymnastics: SkyDragon: Justanothertownie, Superbia, FecalFeast Killing: HaruRH justanothertownie: Killing, SkyDragon HaruRH: Palmar Palmar: Storr, ObiWanShinobi, batsnacks, HolyFlare I think there is at least 1 scum (quite possibly 2) on the Palmar wagon yesterday, regardless of Sky's alignment: If Sky is mafia: it is in favor of scum to postpone a scum-lynch for at least another day. I don't think they'll likely commit 2 to a counter wagon here, but there's a slight possibility. At the moment I'll live in the world where 1 joins the wagon if sky is scum. If Sky is town: it is also in favor of scum to switch to another wagon here, Sky would come into d3 as a huge fucking question mark and would attract a lot of attention from any town, which mafia can easily latch on to. I think it is more likely that 2 mafia are on this wagon if sky is town. I think we need to do one of two things today: - Kill Sky, which gives us some information, and it's also pretty likely he's scum. - We kill one of the people on the Sky wagon. Assuming >1/2 chance of Sky flipping scum, we have a <1/2 chance of hitting scum on any of the three, if we lynch blindly. My personal preference would be to kill HF > Obi > Storr, based on how EoD2 went down: HF's last second switch looked really fucking scummy in my opinion, idc about the WIFOM "mafia would never do that". He seemed set on keeping his vote on Sky, and people were pressuring with "you'll look really scummy if sky flips town" (not actual quote). Then he just suddenly switches. Yeah, there's a chance that it HF was just confused or whatever, but it doesn't really add up to his style of play at all this game. Obi seemed to believe in the Palmar lynch and was excited to do it, he felt genuine in his belief that Palmar was scum but it might just be good scum play. Honestly have no clear read on Obi's play EoD2 besides that. Storr came in last moment with some of the shittiest arguments ever (e.g. the "English is not my first language" read). If he was mafia and he was fake-afk, he would've come with way better arguments because he would've been more prepared. I think Storr was actually (and ironically) the most genuine on Palmar. My current mafia team is: Sky, HF and the last member someone in the remaining group (Haru > JAT > FF > Obi > Storr). I think I'd like to kill Sky today, but wouldn't mind going for the second option as well. + Show Spoiler + One day town is going to listen to me during d2 and not lynch Palmar that day. | ||
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On September 30 2014 07:45 StorrZerg wrote: Anyone care to comment on haru May very well be scum, but I have no good read on her so I'd prefer to lynch someone else today. Also I don't think we get any good information if she flips town. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote: What kind of towny argues with the person that palmar was so towny omg why did you vote him fuck you hf when the alternative was himself? The answer is that no towny does that. What? When did that happen? | ||
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On September 29 2014 06:32 SkyDragon wrote: Being lynched will actually be a relief, to be honest. I'm actually going to bed now because I have no faith in the Town so don't care which way it goes. If I've learned anything from this game, it's that I know exactly whose readings to ignore in the future (Provided they end the game as confirmed Town). If they're Mafia, I'll be commending them for the stress they put me through. Posted at the beginning of d3: On September 29 2014 22:40 SkyDragon wrote: HF, seriously - Stfu. Most of you don't have any clue what the hell you're doing, so just stfu. Especially those morons that lynched Palmar since he was the most Town out of all of us. Hell, I refused to change my vote to him to save myself so that says everything. Either Mafia is driving vote trains to take out those who are active and analysing stuff correctly or Town should all be lynched because nothing is working as it is. When I get home, I'm going to analyse some things. Keep in mind that the Palmar train didn't take off until 1 hour before EoD2. You want to explain this, sky? | ||
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Don't think town has any reason to ever lie there. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote: Superbia, batsnacks told sky to vote palmar to save himself. Batsnacks basically told everyone to vote Palmar or he would lynch them. There was no strong wagon on Palmar at that point in time. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote: Someone help me please. PLEASE HELP. I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP. And here I thought your scum play was bad. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:44 batsnacks wrote: I will never unvote you. Lucky for you, you can choose to kill me tonight. Why are you voting on me? For fuck sake dude, help solve the game. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:42 SkyDragon wrote: Sure, mate. It's called "Try and read everything between those two posts next time instead of selectively quoting comments and trying to get people to explain them". As you can see, Bats was trying to get me to vote Palmar to save myself (I had 6 lynch votes or something at the time). I said no. Did you think it would save you though, at that point in time? | ||
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##Unvote for now. | ||
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On September 30 2014 02:07 Holyflare wrote: The only thing I can now say, knowing that storr had the most bull shit reasons for being on palmar ever is that obi is probably town for the way he was reacting at deadline and the way he was calling out posts. Honestly, I think fecal was pretty towny in reacting as well and he actually stuck to sky better than I actually did, I also like some of his reactions in regards to the hopeless lynch and some other things he's said throughout the game. So changing my previous list it's now sky/storr/superbia/jat/haru ^^ i'll start writing stuff on the above soon, I just really need to take a shit I think this still stands, right? I just skimmed your filter rq. | ||
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On October 01 2014 02:59 justanothertownie wrote: Who are your proposed lynches again and why? Atm Sky or HF, with preference towards Sky because of the information we get. I've gone over it (#1904). Care to read it and comment? | ||
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On October 01 2014 03:00 Holyflare wrote: These are such redundant questions superbia Can you just answer? You must what some opinion on who you think is scummier than others. | ||
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On October 01 2014 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: Ah, I remember. Do you have any reasons to suspect HF besides the Palmar hammer? Honestly it's just that + an iffy feeling that mafia has been controlling the game, and HF has been very vocal / leaderish. | ||
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On October 01 2014 03:10 justanothertownie wrote: What's your opinion on Haru? Very possibly scum, but such a question mark that I don't want to risk a lynch on her. I've gone over her in my post. | ||
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On October 01 2014 03:15 justanothertownie wrote: wat When do you propose that we deal with question marks if not today? Yeah that's a question I've asked myself as well. I don't know. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?page=96#1904 | ||
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On October 01 2014 03:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, I did. I thought that would be obvious since I asked you about further reasoning for your HF read. All right. You have nothing more to add? What do you think about the logic I proposed? | ||
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On October 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote: I literally just told you i can't be bothered Because you were on your phone right? What about when you get behind a computer? | ||
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On October 01 2014 08:17 batsnacks wrote: HANDLE IT Who are you voting tomorrow. I'll do like you like I did everyone else. Who you lynch if sky is town? Who you lynch if sky is mafia? I won't be here to ride your ass tomorrow you best be thankful if you're town. 1- HF or Obi. 2- Haru. | ||
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On October 01 2014 08:20 batsnacks wrote: Is 1 if sky is town and 2 if sky is mafia? Because that seems ass backward if so. Correct. | ||
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Sky is mafia - probably 1 mafia on Palmar yesterday. Less high chance of hitting there. We also get an extra day, we can use this to clean up Haru, who is a question mark and probably scum. Sky is town - probably 2 mafia on Palmar yesterday. Hence we have a high chance of hitting on either one of those targets. | ||
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On October 01 2014 08:29 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, the Haru explanation actually makes sense. But I still don't get why you think there are more scum on Palmar if Sky is town. Switching would've been easy for scum as there is no direct feedback after the flip if sky flips town, as opposed to sky flipping scum. Moreover, there was direct pressure on the people voting on sky, denoting that they would look bad if sky flipped town. That's why I'm expecting more scum to have switched if sky is town. | ||
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On October 01 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote: Super why aren't you voting HF and under what circumstances would you vote HF tomorrow? Not voting HF because Sky's flip will reveal more info regardless of what he flips. Also think there's a higher chance that sky will flip scum. I've disclaimed what I would vote tomorrow already (depends on Sky's flip). | ||
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On October 01 2014 08:47 batsnacks wrote: And I -KNOW- you'd rather wait until the flip before you talk. Not like there are only 2 possibilities, sky flips scum or town. Not like anything is going to change for the rest of the day. Stalling is key. No dude, I literally disclaimed it like a page ago. | ||
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On October 01 2014 09:52 Holyflare wrote: everyone in this game has pretty much said the same lynch targets for tomorrow which should be sounding alarm bells to all of you | ||
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On October 02 2014 01:05 StorrZerg wrote: Prepare for the makeup mafia play from ve. @superbia no more delay. Where is this hard town read of me you should have right now. I've already explained what my read was on you and why I wasn't really sure on said read anymore (#1904, second paragraph). It's still the same for now. The fact that you switched to Palmar is still floating around in my mind, even though you seemed the most genuine of all the switchers. I'll re-evaluate if necessary before EoD, but for now I don't want to lynch you today. Some quicks thoughts on who I want to lynch atm. I will re-evaluate tomorrow. But just going from what I thought yesterday/gut/skimming today: 1. Obi - This is based on what I brought up in post #1904. Since HF got killed (???), Obi is the best lynch candidate due to PoE. There were also some points brought up on Obi's play today which looked half-decent, but I haven't had time to read too much into them. 2. Haru/VE - Yesterday everyone wanted to lynch Haru (now VE), now almost no one wants to. Honestly I think VE has looked rather townie so far, but it seems kind of easy when you start with what is essentially a clean slate. I haven't forgotten about Haru, and will evaluate VE more on the morrow. The fact that half of the opinions have fallen off kinda irks me. 3. One in the rest. At the moment it's JAT > FF > Storr. Purely based on gut. I'll be around for a little and then going to bed. | ||
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I still really want to kill Obi today, but the fact that VE wants to kill him too irks me to no extent. However, I kind of liked what VE had to say today so I'm going to take a chance at this point. Look at Obi's filter, does it seem like someone who genuinely is interested? Like at some point he just says hello and instantly fucks off. The entirety of today is him defending himself and being reactive. Can we just lynch him and finally hit mafia this game? If you're town and you think I'm scum, you need to re-evaluate me ASAP. We are in LYLO and we can't afford to have this shit happen. ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi | ||
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1 at this point. Slight chance of 2. Honestly I've liked you as town but a few of your reads (specifically today) have felt very far-fetched. I don't want to lynch you today, because I still think you're probably town. But what the fuck man. | ||
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On October 03 2014 06:42 StorrZerg wrote: No way 2 on palmar kill an unconfirmed on palmar. As for 1 on palmar. Fantastic. That means in your world 2 within ve jat ff. Proceed I've already said before that my top 2 scum were Obi and Haru (now VE) for today, with the last one being JAT > FF > You. At the moment I kind of like VE's activity and what he's had to say, so less sure on him than I am on Obi. Last one I would guess is JAT. I don't really want to lynch my 3rd+ choices at this point. | ||
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On October 03 2014 06:49 StorrZerg wrote: Why do you favor obi as mafia I wanted to kill obi as soon as HF flipped green. Pretty much his entire filter today has reinforced this idea. | ||
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On October 03 2014 07:03 StorrZerg wrote: wtf can you please reexplain your obi stuff, cause it is almost meaning less at this point How is it meaningless? Are you seriously living in the world where no mafia switch to Palmar even though it leaves us with a huge question mark in (apparently town) Sky the next day? Like that Palmar lynch put us in such a bad position d3. | ||
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On October 03 2014 09:36 StorrZerg wrote: BTW glad to hear superbia I'm your top town now. You were always last on my lynch order. | ||
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On October 03 2014 09:39 Superbia wrote: Honestly I think we need to all vote Storr if bats hasn't shown at :55. It's literally the only chance we have at winning the game. We can't outvote scum with just 3. Like I think he's town, but it's the only chance we have unless bats shows up. Re-iterating. It's the ONLY CHANCE we have at outvoting scum. | ||
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Storr is town -> scum pile up their votes on him EoD. Confirmed afk town is on him. The ONLY CHANCE we have is to lynch Storr at this point, because of afk bats. | ||
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Scum for endcredits: - Obi - JAT - VE | ||
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On October 03 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: GG Super. GG man, you fucking turned an easy misslynch between haru or FF into a real game. We pooped our pants when you got swapped in. | ||
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On October 03 2014 10:20 StorrZerg wrote: no you didn't. Bats was afk, it didn't matter. + you confirmed yourself as scum at the end of the day anyways. :p It was fun man! I was hoping your read on me would lead to FF. It was too bad bats wasn't around. | ||
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On October 03 2014 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: Voice mafia people letzgo! We need a few more. Alas, I have to get up early. Another time! | ||
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On October 03 2014 10:24 justanothertownie wrote: Would someone be so kind to link the obs qt now? Thanks. | ||
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On October 03 2014 10:24 Fecalfeast wrote: SO I WAS RIGHT ABOUT OBI AND MY SUSPICIONS OF JAT WERE WELL PLACED GODDAMN Haha FF, you need to start believing in yourself man.  Wanna join me in the new newbie game? | ||
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On October 03 2014 11:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Really shouldn't have set him up the way I did, but eh. Yeah, I really felt bad for him. But that's the game (at least for us). | ||
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First mafia game etc. | ||
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