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On September 30 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 07:39 justanothertownie wrote:On September 30 2014 07:37 batsnacks wrote:
I'm not trying to make anything difficult JAT. I literally tried to force him to vote Palmar and he wouldn't. His reactions don't add up to me if he's mafia. But that was at a time when Palmar wasn't the one being lynched, no? You were never in danger of being lynched yesterday. He threw his vote away on you when he could have been using it to protect himself. The first thing he did today is rage at the person directly responsible for lynching Palmar over him.
He voted me when there was no realistic counterwagon to him. Apart from maybe me so your whole theory is bullshit. There was NO wagon at Palmar when he voted.
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Anyone care to comment on haru
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On September 30 2014 07:45 StorrZerg wrote:
Anyone care to comment on haru
Would lynch.
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I rescind my entire townlist. Bats is my only town at the moment. I can't fucking believe Killing was the actual seer, I thought he was either baiting a CC as mafia or was WIFOMing mafia.
My townread on Storr was actually pretty straightforward. As mafia he hangs back and is happy to let shit happen. When he's mafia it's really fucking obvious that he doesn't care what happens, so he's very reactive. I was ready to call him scum at the end of d2 because he was basically camping all day (he afked a lot last game, when he was scum, as well). He did come back at the end of the day and was pretty proactive, but the push last night was so fucking bad that my scum-read on Storr may be invalid (I'm not confident in it at this point in time). Hence he's off my townlist (currently null leaning town).
Let's do some vote-gymnastics:
SkyDragon: Justanothertownie, Superbia, FecalFeast
Killing: HaruRH
justanothertownie: Killing, SkyDragon
HaruRH: Palmar
Palmar: Storr, ObiWanShinobi, batsnacks, HolyFlare
I think there is at least 1 scum (quite possibly 2) on the Palmar wagon yesterday, regardless of Sky's alignment:
If Sky is mafia: it is in favor of scum to postpone a scum-lynch for at least another day. I don't think they'll likely commit 2 to a counter wagon here, but there's a slight possibility. At the moment I'll live in the world where 1 joins the wagon if sky is scum.
If Sky is town: it is also in favor of scum to switch to another wagon here, Sky would come into d3 as a huge fucking question mark and would attract a lot of attention from any town, which mafia can easily latch on to. I think it is more likely that 2 mafia are on this wagon if sky is town.
I think we need to do one of two things today:
- Kill Sky, which gives us some information, and it's also pretty likely he's scum.
- We kill one of the people on the Sky wagon. Assuming >1/2 chance of Sky flipping scum, we have a <1/2 chance of hitting scum on any of the three, if we lynch blindly. My personal preference would be to kill HF > Obi > Storr, based on how EoD2 went down:
HF's last second switch looked really fucking scummy in my opinion, idc about the WIFOM "mafia would never do that". He seemed set on keeping his vote on Sky, and people were pressuring with "you'll look really scummy if sky flips town" (not actual quote). Then he just suddenly switches. Yeah, there's a chance that it HF was just confused or whatever, but it doesn't really add up to his style of play at all this game.
Obi seemed to believe in the Palmar lynch and was excited to do it, he felt genuine in his belief that Palmar was scum but it might just be good scum play. Honestly have no clear read on Obi's play EoD2 besides that.
Storr came in last moment with some of the shittiest arguments ever (e.g. the "English is not my first language" read). If he was mafia and he was fake-afk, he would've come with way better arguments because he would've been more prepared. I think Storr was actually (and ironically) the most genuine on Palmar.
My current mafia team is: Sky, HF and the last member someone in the remaining group (Haru > JAT > FF > Obi > Storr).
I think I'd like to kill Sky today, but wouldn't mind going for the second option as well.
+ Show Spoiler +One day town is going to listen to me during d2 and not lynch Palmar that day.
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On September 30 2014 07:45 StorrZerg wrote:
Anyone care to comment on haru
May very well be scum, but I have no good read on her so I'd prefer to lynch someone else today. Also I don't think we get any good information if she flips town.
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What kind of towny argues with the person that palmar was so towny omg why did you vote him fuck you hf when the alternative was himself? The answer is that no towny does that.
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On September 30 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
What kind of towny argues with the person that palmar was so towny omg why did you vote him fuck you hf when the alternative was himself? The answer is that no towny does that.
What? When did that happen?
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Posted 3 1/2 hours before EoD2:
On September 29 2014 06:32 SkyDragon wrote:
Being lynched will actually be a relief, to be honest. I'm actually going to bed now because I have no faith in the Town so don't care which way it goes.
If I've learned anything from this game, it's that I know exactly whose readings to ignore in the future (Provided they end the game as confirmed Town). If they're Mafia, I'll be commending them for the stress they put me through.
Posted at the beginning of d3:
On September 29 2014 22:40 SkyDragon wrote:
HF, seriously - Stfu. Most of you don't have any clue what the hell you're doing, so just stfu. Especially those morons that lynched Palmar since he was the most Town out of all of us. Hell, I refused to change my vote to him to save myself so that says everything. Either Mafia is driving vote trains to take out those who are active and analysing stuff correctly or Town should all be lynched because nothing is working as it is.
When I get home, I'm going to analyse some things.
Keep in mind that the Palmar train didn't take off until 1 hour before EoD2. You want to explain this, sky?
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Guess Storr's push makes even more sense if he thought bats was cop, and it explains why it was such a shitty push.
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##Vote: Skydragon
Don't think town has any reason to ever lie there.
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JAT is the person that I would first like to look at and the person that right now I believe most likely to be mafia. He has a few mafia traits in a good many of his posts, he discredits people very early on:
On September 25 2014 17:24 justanothertownie wrote:I don't like SkyDragon. Constantly claiming he is new BUT has played before. And then he posts things like this: Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote:
I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Would it not be easier to just let the Seer do his/her job instead of lynching random villag.. I mean, er, "Vanillagers"? I don't know how people play on the site you are from but this post is the epitome of awful. Since you claim to actually have experience with this kind of setup please enlighten me how the seer of all people is supposed to do his job day fucking 1. How can he lead us to a scumlynch better than anyone else if all he has at this point is a green check? How is he supposed to do that without claiming anyways? Like what? Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 09:42 SkyDragon wrote:On September 25 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On September 25 2014 09:27 SkyDragon wrote:
Actually, all three of them claimed to be Town from the off, and HF decided to throw some names out as well (When barely anyone had posted and probably to deflect suspicion from himself). Just thinking out loud. Riddle me this good sir. What suspicion did I need to deflect and how would I go about doing that with 3 names of people that hadn't even spoken yet? In my experience, bad guys have stated names right at the very start to divert peoples attention elsewhere. I'm not saying that you're bad, I'm just saying that I'm cautious of anyone who throws names around during the early part of the game.  What should we do instead of throwing names around? Just chill and do nothing? So again - this guy has played this game already. But he is pretending to know nothing at all about it. What gives?
Instead of finding out exactly what was meant by the above comments and trying to work with someone from the very start instead he attacks the position the person is coming from and effectively negates any impact that person can have. This is a sign of mafia because he's not trying to understand but to discredit the person involved in the conversation.
On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 17:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 17:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2014 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 08:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 25 2014 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 08:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF confirmed literate. Sadly that's not enough for me to lynch Haru Hi! I have a feeling that there is a mafia between you and holyflare. Why not both? Why do you think this? I find their buddying style unnatural. Gonna do some quotations to illustrate what I said, brb Since when is buddying early day1 a thing mafia teammates do? On September 25 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
LOL you think I'd go to that much effort to search through a quote to lynchy team mate???? Yes. Since when that is strictly not possible for mafia? Did I say that? But you are threating it like a scumtell and it for sure isn't.
On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 17:48 GlowingBear wrote:
My dribk senses says JAT is possibly mafia But hey, feel free to elaborate on that.
More discrediting and not trying to understand just attacking for no reason.
On September 25 2014 17:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno i think gb's a bit townier since his onslaught of cases even if they are misplaced. Maybe. Maybe not.
On September 26 2014 03:11 justanothertownie wrote:
I still dislike Sky and I think that should be pretty obvious. It's way too early for an opinion on Palmar.
On September 26 2014 05:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:04 SkyDragon wrote:
I'm not going to argue about this any further.
Let's move on.. Sounds good. You could provide some reads instead.
On September 26 2014 15:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Sky at least puts in a good amount of effort now but if you read his posts there are so many contradictions/things that don't make sense. Still don't like him.
On September 26 2014 15:36 justanothertownie wrote:
GB seems afraid/really defensive - might be scum. Reminds me of the scum qt from Fanfic where he was really really afraid I would vig him.
I will elaborate on those reads when I have time in a few hours. Would probably still lynch Sky.
On September 26 2014 20:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I also don't get townvibes from Hopeless filter. I guess if GB is town Hopeless looks quite shady but I really have doubts about that.
This is mostly from his second and first pages of filter. He tells people to give reads, but never gives any reads himself besides "this person might be scum" or that he doesn't like me because of apparent contradictions that he does not even point out at the time. He says that he pushed me d1, but look at the filter he soft pushed at best. This seems to me like a way mafia would try to push a mislynch so that a townie would take it up and run with it. The way he talks about everyone else he interacts with is mostly painting them in a scummy light.
Also I found the mafia database and compared some of JATs games, and I did find him to be pointed in his questions and his driving discussion if you look at him in some of his more recent games like Fanfiction and The Guilty Mafia, he really drove discussion and pushed people he thought were scummy. In the fanfic, he really thought Damdred was scummy after a small slip and he did not let up on him he hard pushed him and the thread to vote for him or tried to always bring it up. He is not doing this here. At best, he is just offhandedly soft pushing lynches right now, "oh I do not like this guy" "oh you might be scummy".
Now if you compare it to heavy weight championship, you see the same sort of play, JAT is mafia. And if you look at his later filter, it is more of the same and mirrors heavy weight very well and with my other conclusions.
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Superbia, batsnacks told sky to vote palmar to save himself.
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On September 30 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
Guess Storr's push makes even more sense if he thought bats was cop, and it explains why it was such a shitty push.
Someone help me please. PLEASE HELP. I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP.
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On September 30 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:
Superbia, batsnacks told sky to vote palmar to save himself.
Batsnacks basically told everyone to vote Palmar or he would lynch them. There was no strong wagon on Palmar at that point in time.
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This is why shit doesn't make sense. THIS IS WHY.
On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded.
U DID WOT M8
I don't even understand.
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On September 30 2014 08:20 Superbia wrote:Posted 3 1/2 hours before EoD2:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 06:32 SkyDragon wrote:
Being lynched will actually be a relief, to be honest. I'm actually going to bed now because I have no faith in the Town so don't care which way it goes.
If I've learned anything from this game, it's that I know exactly whose readings to ignore in the future (Provided they end the game as confirmed Town). If they're Mafia, I'll be commending them for the stress they put me through. Posted at the beginning of d3: Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 22:40 SkyDragon wrote:
HF, seriously - Stfu. Most of you don't have any clue what the hell you're doing, so just stfu. Especially those morons that lynched Palmar since he was the most Town out of all of us. Hell, I refused to change my vote to him to save myself so that says everything. Either Mafia is driving vote trains to take out those who are active and analysing stuff correctly or Town should all be lynched because nothing is working as it is.
When I get home, I'm going to analyse some things. Keep in mind that the Palmar train didn't take off until 1 hour before EoD2. You want to explain this, sky?
Sure, mate. It's called "Try and read everything between those two posts next time instead of selectively quoting comments and trying to get people to explain them".
On September 29 2014 05:41 batsnacks wrote:
SkyDragon if you vote Palmar I'll unvote you. If you want to get lynched, just keep complaining and doing nothing.
##unvote
##vote: SkyDragon
On September 29 2014 05:44 SkyDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 05:33 batsnacks wrote:
SkyDragon ffs vote someone you are making yourself a really easy mislynch if you're town. Last time I voted, everyone went crazy and called me scummy over it so you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little more cautious this time. Also, it gives me a chance to read everyone's posts first before voting according to my gut instinct. Which I have done. Voted for JAT.
On September 29 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote:
I don't want to lynch JAT. We need to compromise. Vote Palmar.
On September 29 2014 05:47 SkyDragon wrote:
I don't care if anyone votes to lynch me and I won't be influenced in such a way. I've said what I needed to say earlier and Palmar is lower on my list of suspects. Still shady but lower. I'm sticking by my original list of 4 that I posted before. I could be wrong but they are the ones who look scummy to me.
On September 29 2014 05:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:47 batsnacks wrote:On September 29 2014 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:37 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2014 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:34 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2014 05:30 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:28 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:
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WIFOM. That's not even an argument. Everything, literally everything, in mafia is wifom. The goal of the game is to recognize which glass is more likely to be poisoned. No shit. But you not being on the Sky wagon does not prove your alignment in any possible case. What about this then. If I'm mafia and you're town, where's the benefit in me tanking my towncred with you by doing exactly what I'm doing? herp derp I have no idea. The simple explanation, if you're town, is that I'm town too, not sure what I'm doing but pretty sure this is a bad lynch, throwing a random one out there. See? And that's the problem. You are throwing a RANDOM out there. That's ridiculous at this point in the game. Give him some space at least he voted. If me and skydragon vote Palmar will you? 3 is enough to lynch. Why would I vote with my biggest scumread?! Because I am forcing him to vote who I want. He doesn't have a say in who he votes if he wants to live.
As you can see, Bats was trying to get me to vote Palmar to save myself (I had 6 lynch votes or something at the time). I said no.
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On September 30 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
Guess Storr's push makes even more sense if he thought bats was cop, and it explains why it was such a shitty push. Someone help me please. PLEASE HELP. I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP.
And here I thought your scum play was bad.
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On September 30 2014 08:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote:On September 30 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
Guess Storr's push makes even more sense if he thought bats was cop, and it explains why it was such a shitty push. Someone help me please. PLEASE HELP. I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP. And here I thought your scum play was bad.
I will never unvote you. Lucky for you, you can choose to kill me tonight.
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On September 30 2014 08:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 08:43 Superbia wrote:On September 30 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote:On September 30 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
Guess Storr's push makes even more sense if he thought bats was cop, and it explains why it was such a shitty push. Someone help me please. PLEASE HELP. I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP. And here I thought your scum play was bad. I will never unvote you. Lucky for you, you can choose to kill me tonight.
Why are you voting on me? For fuck sake dude, help solve the game.
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On September 30 2014 08:46 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 08:44 batsnacks wrote:On September 30 2014 08:43 Superbia wrote:On September 30 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote:On September 30 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
Guess Storr's push makes even more sense if he thought bats was cop, and it explains why it was such a shitty push. Someone help me please. PLEASE HELP. I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP. And here I thought your scum play was bad. I will never unvote you. Lucky for you, you can choose to kill me tonight. Why are you voting on me? For fuck sake dude, help solve the game.
Game is solved. You're dying today.
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