EPTI might be slightly unproductive through wednesday, if this starts tonight. I outed another game that was about to start because this week starting a bit rough. After that I should be fine.
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I might be slightly unproductive through wednesday, if this starts tonight. I outed another game that was about to start because this week starting a bit rough. After that I should be fine. | ||
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Policy lynch for claiming. Never changing it. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: OH MAN IT'S PALMAR I HEARD HE'S REALLY GOOD I'M SHEEPING HIM ##vote: Holyflare seriously though are you gonna play this game? puppydog eyes* I play every game. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote: Palmar you don't get to do that anyore, sorry. Watch me. | ||
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Holyflare is sorta aggressive/emotional in his early stuff which I felt was weird (as if he was overplaying for effect). But he then later made enough non-shit posts for me to not want to lynch him. Skydragon is town. Don't lynch. Fecal might be town. Superbia is a bit fishy Glowingbear is a bit fishy because he posted that comment about there being a mafia between hopeless and holyflare. It's just such a bad way to think about things, and it's also a very cheap comment to make as mafia as it absolves you from actually having to threaten anyone by calling them scum. If he thinks his statement is true, why didn't he try to figure out which one it is immediately and then post his result? Hopeless is meh Storr.. idk. He wrote that case on... fecal? I kinda think the case is more likely to make storr town, but I don't think it's a correct case. | ||
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On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry, I'm guilty of getting people to talk to get my reads instead of immediately attacking both HF and hope. I've posted who I think is the scum team at that moment. I think that is good to register and to get reads. If you genuinely followed up you shouldn't be worried at all. When I catch up I'll see that and be 100% convinced you're town, right? | ||
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Because of how he reacted to the train on Holyflare. Like I can't quite explain it but his answer just felt like he genuinely thought he was doing something good by pointing it out. Obviously it wasn't useful as the random vote train wooshed his head a bit, but his response revealed something about him. | ||
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On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote: not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous. Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest. That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here. On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote: That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia? On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote: btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK. I'm gone for now, see you all later. This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is. I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game. Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today. I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list. | ||
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He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1. On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote: That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2. On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote: I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. | ||
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When he made this post: On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote: I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Would it not be easier to just let the Seer do his/her job instead of lynching random villag.. I mean, er, "Vanillagers"? I read it and thought "That's cute, the newbie actually thinks that the random votes mean anything at all!". That also mean he's genuine when he is worried about the voting train, and that feels like a townie response. However, if he is actually an experienced player then I'd actually rather kill him for it. But I'll have to wait until I read his filter to make a judgement. If there's anything mafia has taught me, it's the validity of the phrase: "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" | ||
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On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote: How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory? | ||
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On September 26 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote: Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end. That's how I feel about all policy/lurker lynches (except blatant policies like lynch all liars). They are "default" lynches, that is, only useful if we're otherwise out of options. I think you know what I mean. I wish he was dead because his contributions don't help me decide his alignment. But I have no conviction one way or the other that he's gonna flip town or mafia, simply because of exactly that fact. | ||
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On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote: Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking. | ||
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On September 26 2014 20:08 justanothertownie wrote: Fair enough. Meeeh... do you really think his activity is that different from his scumgame? And I don't know if you can call what he did "sticking to his guns". I thought his play so far was rather defensive. I can give examples in a second. Again the strength of your read seems not in proportion with your reasoning. Well the strength of my read is also because everyone wanted to lynch him, or I got the feeling that he was gaining too much steam as a candidate too fast. But that's terrible reasoning so don't tell anyone I used that. | ||
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On September 26 2014 20:10 Holyflare wrote: because he's being useless and probably mafia So we kill? | ||
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I guess he's talking about the Haru thing. I found it funny and liked your alignment for it, but as a viable case it was a stretch. It's as bs as the shit I pulled on you in that cell game where I deconstructed your case on some bullshit meta because of timing on posts. | ||
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On September 26 2014 21:55 justanothertownie wrote: Not convinced that he is a better lynch than let's say Sky. Since he isn't here it wouldn't pressure him at all. Just do it bitch? | ||
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Hopeless is far more likely to be successful. | ||
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On September 26 2014 21:57 GlowingBear wrote: I have a great fear hope will flip town Explain why, or I'm lynching you out of spite. | ||
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On September 26 2014 22:40 GlowingBear wrote: Why is it a policy lynch and why is it stupid? Read my post on his filter. And it's stupid because policy lynching assholes is fun, but not very productive. | ||
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And yes, I want to lynch him. It's a good lynch. | ||
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On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote: And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? | ||
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On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. Who sheeps and who doesn't sheep has nothing to do with the validity of the case. Either you think I'm right on hopeless or wrong. Go figure out which one you think I am. When you've realized that I'm more likely to be right, vote him. | ||
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On September 26 2014 22:51 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHA ok. I'm just posting what I think. It's up to you to evaluate if I'm right or wrong because I was incapable of leading town anyway. If you allow yourself to think like this, all mafia has to do if one of their scumbuddies is being voted is to bus the fuck out of him, and you will defend him because "the wagon might be mafia driven" Trust me, I understand what you're trying to do, but it's generally a terrible idea to judge someone's alignment on the actions of others. For example, JAT and HF say I might be right on Hopeless. That doesn't say anything about Hopeless. Only Hopeless posts as Hopeless, and thus only posts made by Hopeless should be used to evaluate Hopeless. All I did was draw attention to him in order for you to read him. You cannot judge Hopeless' alignment based on what HF does. HF could be bussing, HF could be jumping easy town lynch, HF could be town and agree with me, and HF could be town and wrong. There's literally nothing you can know about Hopeless based on what HF does, simply because HF is not Hopeless, they're different people. | ||
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On September 26 2014 22:53 GlowingBear wrote: Yes, it has. A well written case on a townie from a townie is a gift to mafia. I would totally sheep you if I were mafia. I'll re read the case and tell you what I think Sure I might be wrong, but then TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG. Explain why Hopeless is town using posts from hopeless. Don't tell me I'm wrong because HF voted with me. That has nothing to do with my case. I could not possibly have known who would agree with me when I wrote the case. | ||
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But for now let's see what Hopeless says when he comes back. | ||
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On September 26 2014 23:04 Holyflare wrote: I only have issue with one of his posts where he lists haru who had done nothing at the time in his town circle. Other than that i agreed with his summary list thing. What don't you like? Oh and his hopeless thing because fecal said it first but that could just be oversight. Because I don't think he has actual reasons for his reads for the most part. And yes, haru and hopeless in his townie list was just awful. Even if they are town, no one who is actually thinking critically about the game should have town reads on them atm. | ||
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On September 27 2014 00:06 StorrZerg wrote: I just reread your case palmar. And YAWN. So read his filter. does it make you think he's town? | ||
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On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote: Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read? I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well. GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless. And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that. I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town. In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here: On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote: First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative. Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive. And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself. | ||
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The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do. | ||
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Mafia people: StorrZerg Hopeless No one else has done much to make me want to lynch them. I wish JAT was playing more than he is, but meh. | ||
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I haven't read him, and haven't noticed him yet. | ||
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This sucks. We're not gonna lynch mafia unless you guys get your act together. | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:13 StorrZerg wrote: @palmar i think you have it back wards... I like hopeless reads on gb/fecal. shit you're right. meh, so you're not in mafia column then. Still, you should vote hopeless with me. | ||
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Btw, I started his filter, and he seems to have a pretty casual/joking attitude early game. Sure it's easy to fake as mafia, but I'm not sure it makes him one, but I'm only like 1/3 through. I also saw a post by Storr that makes him very likely to be town in my eyes, so I'm doing a #180 on him. | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:16 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, I agreed with you. I just think lynching Haru is better. I'm confused o.O Srsly that's what I said. Just do as I say pls. pls don't argue, is all over, you can sleep now. Use the force GB, trust me. | ||
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On September 27 2014 01:22 StorrZerg wrote: Previous game he didn't need to do anything. in fact he could be as scummy as he wanted why? because town was slitting each other throats. Its a much smaller game, hence personality changes are rampant in this game. Him, me, holy a few others i'd bet. so i can't see why it makes his alignment town for wanting people to know his reads, and sticking with them. Yeah I guess. Still, Hopeless is a better lynch. Now that I think you're town you should totally agree with me and vote him! | ||
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Enjoy! I'm out. ps. Lynch hopeless because it's what jesus would do. | ||
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Superbia is probably not mafia. | ||
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Storr semi-Town: Superbia Glowingbear Holyflare ObiWanShinobi null/haven't read HaruRH FecalFeast Skydragon Justanothertownie sorta scum Killing murder with bricks: Hopeless1der If I'm wrong on hopeless and killing (let's be honest, I probably am on at least one of them) mafia is very likely to be in the bunch I haven't read. Tbh, if I self-meta. There's one mafia in red (hopeless or killing). One mafia I'm ignoring (maybe JAT?) and one mafia I've given a cheap townread for some random reason. | ||
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If you don't claim: if we lynch holyflare anyway and he flips town, we lynch you tomorrow if we lynch holyflare and he flips scum, mafia shoots you tonight if we don't lynch holyflare and he's town, you're being an asshole with this wifom if we don't lynch holyflare and he's mafia, mafia is shooting your ass anyway In all situations it's better to claim, unless you're mafia. | ||
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actually, I'm doing this until you do. ##vote Batsnacks I hate ambiguity. | ||
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On September 27 2014 23:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can think of several situations where claiming as mafia is still beneficial. Sure but I don't particularly care about those, as I'm only trying to help him do the right thing if he's town. | ||
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either batsnacks claims he's cop and has a check, or he clears up that he isn't claiming at all and was just speculating and we move on. If he doesn't do this ASAP I'm policy lynching him for being a complete asshole. | ||
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He literally cannot be town. If he is town, all he has to say is "oh sorry Palmar and HF, I am not claiming a check or anything, if that's what you thought", and we can move on. This doesn't mean he has to claim he's not the cop, simply that at that point in the game, he was not trying to claim a check on holyflare. There is only one faction in mafia that benefits at all from any kind of confusion or ambiguous information, and that is mafia. Thus batsnacks MUST be mafia. If he is somehow town, I'm fine with lynching him and never playing with him again for intentionally ruining a game. | ||
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On September 28 2014 00:33 batsnacks wrote: I don't feel like cooperating with someone who is fine with lynching town. I am not. And your recent actions are directly pushing mafia agenda, thus you must be mafia, and I am lynching mafia. | ||
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On September 28 2014 00:31 Killing wrote: Why don't you just try and read people instead of being an ass? Wasn't I just doing exactly that? I just took someone's posting, demonstrated that it was blatantly mafia favored agenda, and I am voting him for it. Everyone else should be doing the same. | ||
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On September 28 2014 00:38 batsnacks wrote: Wrong. You just took something only you said and only you believe (that I claimed seer), and shut down the thread because I won't cooperate with your stupid demands. I am voting -you- for pushing a mafia agenda. Here's the thing, I've proven there is literally no downside for you in clearing up the ambiguity, even your scummate JAT is telling you to just that. I have told you exactly how we can clean up this mess, yet you insist on creating unnecessary conflict. Fuck you. | ||
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Please lynch batsnacks for this horseshit. | ||
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And yet somehow I convinced more people than you. That makes you an awful player. | ||
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On September 28 2014 00:54 batsnacks wrote: @HF most of the reason I am scum reading you So you're think he's mafia, but you don't claim to have a red check on him? Can you confirm? | ||
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But whatever, you cleared it up it seems. for what it's worth, I don't think batsnacks is mafia, he's probably town. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:09 batsnacks wrote: I was busy getting other reads. On you. Well you think I'm mafia right? If so, I can't say it was time well spent. And just because I'm nice, I am a serial rager as town, you just haven't seen it much lately. Go look up xlviii or somethiing (also that game is possibly the funniest game I've played of mafia, ever). | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:14 batsnacks wrote: This isn't game related or anything, but was English your first language? Your English is really good. Nope, Icelandic is my first language. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:14 Holyflare wrote: i hope this is a sick joke because this is all i did yesterday Well as I said, I cba arguing with you so fuck it. I'm just relying on our cop not being retarded. So technically you're confirmed town to me until someone claims a red check on you. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:15 SkyDragon wrote: Hey guys. Just started reading but I have to admit that Hopeless turning out to be green was a shocker for me. In-between his hard-on for me and GB being Mafia (When there are more suspicious players around in my view), and HF's case that Hopeless may have been lying, it caught me by surprise. Still reading but I'll give some input once I've caught up. This is a massive overjustification of being part of the hopeless wagon. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:22 Holyflare wrote: he's one of those people that i can't honestly tell the difference between new off site player or mafia because the majority of things he does is scummy And JAT? | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: Explain 1) how this game is a trainwreck 2) why you think I don't care. 1) we mislynched and now we spent a huge part of this day doing nothing. 2) I have this feeling that you have shown none of the leadership or helpful attitude I'm used to seeing from you. You started slow last game too before becoming really townie, but to me it feels like you're starting even slower in this one. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote: If this game is a trainwreck, what was last game? (fanfic) 9/11 | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: Nothing changed since yesterday. The only thing that makes him look good is that Killing was voting him/is "pushing" him right now. Lol thanks, but I was asking how holyflare thought about you. Killing may just be stupid and not mafia, although I have no idea. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe because this game is fucking slow itself? Look at the amount of pages we have right now. I am a conversational player - go figure. Well conversate then bitch! | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:52 Killing wrote: I'm claiming. I have a red check, I just wanted to see if I could kill the person today without outing but it seems it's a no go. I think the team is: SkyDragon, Red Check and a random third. Yay for proving you're an awful player! Mafia was never, ever going to shoot you. Anyway, out the check please. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:55 Killing wrote: LOL Bet you'd love to know there bud. Townie points to whoever gets the correct guess and can now start re-evaluating the game correctly. jat | ||
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What's with people this game and being dickwads when it comes to saying things? | ||
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You see, fun is allowed, as long as it's entertaining to other people. What you and Killing are doing is not entertaining at all, it's more akin to trolling. | ||
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If this is a fake check, I'm policy lynching him anyway so... | ||
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On September 28 2014 06:25 SkyDragon wrote: I'm starting to think that Killing is claiming Seer to get real Seer to reveal themselves somehow so he can be killed tonight. It's quite simple. step 1: we vote killing step 2: killing reveals his check step 3: we discuss what we think about step 2, and lynch accordingly Holyflare, why on earth are you voting me? | ||
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On September 28 2014 06:53 SkyDragon wrote: I don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore. Killing claims to be Seer and calls Bats Green. Also says that he has a Red Check. Now, I'm not familiar with this strange terminology but I'm assuming that he means he knows who one Wolf is. So who is it? And why are you dodging the issue? Also, why on Earth would a Seer reveal themselves as Seer at this stage unless they're retardedor Mafia? | ||
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On September 28 2014 06:58 Killing wrote: You're telling me you can do nothing with the information that both I and Bat are town? I already concluded bat is likely town, and I have no particular reason to think you are until you out your claim, till then you're just trolling for effect. | ||
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On September 28 2014 07:02 Killing wrote: Fuck that, I outted early. I'm getting the most info out of it before I out it. You're not getting any info you moron. Screw it, I'm done. | ||
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First thing is first. We're not lynching Killing. Even given how enormously stupid he's played (he let his green check get lynched on day 1, then on day 2 he claimed for no apparent reason), he's still un-ccd cop. If we have another cop, you have to claim today, the reason being that Killing claimed without a green check. If you intend to wait until tomorrow, you're giving Killing a free pass for today, and tomorrow we might believe him over you, securing a third mislynch based on his fakeclaim. Thus I will assume that he must be the cop, as our real cop would not be bad enough to not CC today. And based on that (and I actually already pointed out, but irrelevant now) batsnacks is obviously not getting lynched. This leaves the potential targets for a lynch at 9 players, 3 of which are mafia. HF JAT Skydragon Fecalfeast Storr Palmar ObiWan Superbia HaruRH Also, @killing, you really should've made more effort for hopeless yesterday, the only reason I had you in my scumlist was that you were defending hopeless based on nothing, somehow you had him as a townread. Now I understand why, but it'd have been a great leap of faith for me to trust that at the time. I'm going to look over my earlier reads and see what I come up with. | ||
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I'm super unsure on Obi, like i further filter readings make me want to not kill other people I might kill him, but I'm sorta doubting it right now. | ||
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If people call me mafia the second game in a row for not being sure what to do imma choke a bitch. | ||
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It's dumb speculation but I'm still interested. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: The fact that nobody was using the voting thread made me think they were joke votes. That's why I didn't use the thread anyway. Lol I actually like your case holyflare This is my number 1 post for townreading FF. Holyflare's case is very obviously sort of a troll case, and it seems quite risky for mafia to randomly announced they like that case. It's much safer to just ignore it. I'm also a bit confused by him. A lot of his attitude from day 1 feels pretty townie, but it doesn't feel very much like he is scumhunting since his reads posts on day 1. I guess I can't blame him with batsnacks and killing trolling the thread. He goes into the tentative town column too, like Obi. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:52 justanothertownie wrote: So, do you think he is mafia or why are you asking? I'm interested in your opinion, and I'd actually more like to know more specifics. Basically, HF has a daunting 14 page filter. He's super annoying to deal with as mafia, and is actually very good at mafia. I still do not trust how he joined the Hopeless wagon yesterday, because I feel he should've made up his mind much earlier. It seems strange that after I posted the initial case on Hopeless, he kept doing other stuff for a long time, then joined much later with basically no new evidence (that is if I recall the events correctly). I feel townflare is confident enough to make a call on my case right there and either disagree or agree. But then again, he has made a few good observations, and he's capable of that as mafia, but as town as well. This is why I wanted him checked. Problem is the worst player in town seems to have gotten the cop role, so all we're getting out of that is a self-claim + 1 green, which is just as bad as if he had claimed on day 1. Anyway, I'm almost definitely going to leave HF until last while reading the potential targets, and I'm super afraid I will actually not lynch him ever if he's mafia, because it's just too much work. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:57 justanothertownie wrote: Meeeh. I think that's a weak read. I mean I agree with you that he isn't very scummy because to me his play looks pretty similar to last game but anyone could say that really. The case wasn't that bad for the start of the game. Of course. But the lol is important, as in he is not overselling his buy-in on the case. The fact that he wrote "lol" shows that he recognizes it's a bit of a troll case, and he is still willing to support it. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:58 Holyflare wrote: The only reason to kill gb is for seer searching. Dunno if he claimed vt at the start of the day. The kill is pretty irrelevant anyway. Really don't like Palmar's recent posts at all. Super silly town reads that aren't even certain and has nothing to do with the main wagons or anything to do with what happened at deadline or any actual analysis of anything Maybe I don't think the main wagons are all that good, or I'm just not paying attention to what is happening right now and instead trying to figure out things on my own? Doesn't make me mafia at all. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:01 batsnacks wrote: Palmar is repeating himself. I do that. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: That's true but I still think that is not enough to townread him. Sure, you don't have to townread him, but it's still better than anything else I have. Like if I read you, hf, haru, sky, superbia, storr and you all look super town, I'll be all for lynching FF, but at the moment he feels more in the town column, mostly based on this. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:01 justanothertownie wrote: I really am the wrong person to ask here. I have an abysmal track record for catching scum HF. He is responsible for 2 of my recent failures. I know you are the wrong person, that is precisely why I'm asking you. You have barely even mentioned holyflare at all this game. I think the closest thing you came to talking about him was your ninja vote commentary. That's nothing. In fact I feel like you guys haven't interacted all that much throughout the game, which feels sorta weird. | ||
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On September 28 2014 12:13 Superbia wrote: This day fucking hurt to read, especially having to do it in one go. Holyflare - I don't think the game would even progress without him. Town until there's a check or a scumslip. Killing - Hard claims seer with a fake red, but later switches it to a double green check (one of which is conveniently dead). Like what the fuck are you even doing here? No cop would out here since you're giving town virtually nothing. Feels like scum trying to test the waters and see if they can bait out a counterclaim and get away with it. Doesn't help that he just literally ragequits the game right after, which scum loves to do. If it wasn't for the fact that we only have 1 PR I would lynch him right now, as it stands I don't even want to take the slightest risk when it comes to possibly lynching cop. That being said, I don't really believe it. batsnacks - If there was a third party role, this would be the guy. He's playing the game upside down or something. Scumreads 2/3 of my town and townreads my current scum. Shit like this also stands out: You played last game, Palmar stepped it up big time during d2. This read makes no fucking sense, just by reading Palmar's last game you should know this (specifically his d2 play). And then there is post #1132. Why don't you just admit that you soft claimed? You can't start the day off like that and expect people not to think you're soft claiming. It would've been fine in my eyes if you just backed off, but instead you make that overly defensive post. It just doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. Decently sure bats is scum, but I actually don't like a scumteam with both killing and bats, their interaction was too close, if that makes sense. I feel like we'll only hit 1 between the 2. Vote doesn't go on him because of the slightest possibility of Killing actually being cop. Palmar - Actually really like Palmar's d2 and I'm not sure why so many people are giving him shit. He's straight to the point and no bullshit. It really seems like he is trying to defuse the clowning around soft claiming for an hour and straight up filter the information. It also helps that this made it way easier for me to read parts of d2. Liking Palmar as town. Fecalfeast - Stepped up his d2 play in my eyes. He's saying relevant shit and is active with regards to relevant subjects (I also have to admit that I liked the jokes about sheeping). Get the feeling this guy might be town but I want to wait a little before I put him in my towncircle. He's definitely not a lynch for now. justanothertownie - His posts feel a lot less vanilla-town this day and I like it. Didn't even have to visit the filter to notice his posts! Him pinging out killing also let to the weak cop claim, so if killing flips scum JAT is pretty much confirmed town. Leaving him null for now. Also not a lynch for now. Will elaborate on other people who stand out (notably Sky at this point) come tomorrow, after I've had some sleep. Also we really need to resolve the Killing claim because my two primary scumreads are ironically the entire cop circle thing. I don't know if cop should counterclaim at this point though. I would rather take a bigger chance on a mislynch and for cop to have a possible red check on d3 at this point, followed by a double (and with slight possibility even triple) hit. I either scumread in the Sky/Obi/Haru group tomorrow, or new posts cause me to re-evaluate, or I'm completely clueless where to put my vote. Btw, I'm just pointing this out, if superbia is town and correct, the game has been solved. Scumteam is sky/obi/haru Mostly because he gives 5 people in the 9 player group that is potential scum candidates a townread in this post. Also, this feels sort of like CR last game. He is 100% correct about me, so correct that it feels eerie (and last game it was  )I don't know though, I need to read his entire filter, I just thought I'd point this out. | ||
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I stand corrected. I forgot to press the "all" button when ctrl+f ing your filter so I missed a bunch of interactions. Anyway I still want you to consider it. You know as well as me that if HF is mafia, it's going to take both of us to lynch him. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:13 batsnacks wrote: If you guys don't want to vote Palmar look at these people: That sentence makes me think FF could be scum. In the fanfic he was never worried about posting. He posted stuff like this: I think he's been more reserved in general this game. Also maybe look at obiwan. He looks scummy too. For later in the game, could you please just drop your scumread on me, or at least assume that you could be wrong, and actually read my posts without assuming they all come from mafia. It's going to be incredibly tough to recover this game if I have townies basically disregarding everything I do. | ||
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His alignment is actually super simple (simple, not easy) to figure out. He got into a bit of a spat with HF on day 1, and all that's needed to town or scumread him is to figure out if this feels genuine. On September 27 2014 01:35 Superbia wrote: HF, what the fuck dude. Read the fucking context (AND READ MY FILTER). I've explained before why I feel Storr is town, him backing off just adds to that. Bats is just like "yeah I guess we should back off like Storr said" (not exact quote) so no, he doesn't get fucking town points for that. Yeah, maybe my "skydragon flips town -> bats is probably scum" read is a bit extreme, but I don't think it's completely uncalled for here. Furthermore, it's for a later point in time anyway so I'm expecting to have a better read on bats then anyway. If plenty of people jump on a certain person after he's been read scummy by others, then that fucking stands out to me. Two worlds: Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard. Sky is scum -> Less information, not going to draw any hard conclusions from this. Stop wasting my fucking time dude, I don't have all the time and energy in the world. If you have questions fucking ask them, don't just start some shitty push on me because then I have to fucking walk through my entire thought process. Now I have to fucking go and my time could've been spent on something more productive. I'll be back before EoD. On September 27 2014 01:41 Superbia wrote: Got a bit heated, my apologies. I really wanted to interact with palmar and dive JAT's filter before I had to go. Whatever, I can see your point but next time please just ask instead of making a wall which I have to read and respond to. Like if you just ask "why are you reading storr as town and bats as scum for x" then I could've just responded and continued playing. Whatever, let's move on. I'll be back before EoD. I actually think this looks pretty much okay, there's literally nothing here that feels like he's faking frustration, and I don't think the situation warranted being upset unless he is town. I'm pretty confident he's town, even if he's doing a full CR and actually having a godlike read on me (that's actually the most suspicious part in his filter, to me at least). | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:19 batsnacks wrote: I could be wrong I just don't think I am. And if you're mafia then all of your posts do come from mafia. Yeah, I get that. But just leave the option open. If I am town, this thing I'm doing right now should be quite valuable to you, more than anyone else (I think) I'm stepping back and re-evaluating the game to see where it takes me. If you cba reading all the filters yourself and reaching conclusions, at least don't discount mine. Ignore who is talking and look at what I'm saying. Even if I'm mafia, I'd be striving to make at least some good points to look town, so figure out which parts you agree with and which parts you don't. | ||
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leaving jat and hf, but also leaving a formal request that jat and hf both look really hard at each other. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:31 Holyflare wrote: I want to lynch skydragon not just because he might be scum but because it also gives us ridiculous amounts of information Can you elaborate on this information? Like I'm tempted to yolo lynch him simply because of the thing I pointed out earlier regarding him "being shocked hopeless was town", but I feel like we gotta be pretty thorough today, leave no stone unturned. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:32 justanothertownie wrote: You are a lazy and awful human being. Wow thanks! | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:38 Holyflare wrote: I've made it known that palmar is probably maybe mafia. Also i don't think haru is mafia at all purely because i haven't despised any of the posts that he's written and his green thing early Why aren't you trying to lynch me then? | ||
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Process of elimination, but whatever lynch sky if you want. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:05 justanothertownie wrote: You might want to explain this. left house, won't have time to finish. Had a townread on storr yesterday, and skydragon seems to be fairly genuine in his latest posting (not that I have read his filter) Also, I just feel like there's too much agreement on this lynch. Maybe it's a bus, he did have that post with the massive overjustification for his presence on the hopeless wagon. | ||
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Also harurh is an asshole. | ||
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Nope, how can you even think that at this point? | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote: You want to lynch me FOR POE when you didn't even read the main wagons filter? yeah, kinda! | ||
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On September 29 2014 03:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yes, that is exactly it. You are a genius. This sarcasm looks quite defensive to me. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:15 justanothertownie wrote: I refuse to believe you are this stupid. I townread you day1 and I was about to townread you for sheer effort today but tbh most of your reads are pretty weak and this is just horrendous. It's weekend, you've played a ton of games with me. I have probably never put in this much effort on a weekend before (at least in the last year or so), so... | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: So what. Last game as town you refused to put in any effort before it was too late. On the other hand I have seen scumgames of you with lots of effort. Whatever, let's talk about how we're both confirmed town and why? | ||
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On September 28 2014 16:45 justanothertownie wrote: Not only is this bullhit but also a massive overjustification. This is actually a good observation. Maybe it's haru who we should be lynching. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote: It is fucking scummy that you don't even call me scummy but still want to lynch me. For fucking POE while you do not care to even read a few people. I care to, I just don't have the time. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:21 justanothertownie wrote: You will just say that you put in effort again. Guess what - i did that too. I pushed Skydragon day1 and now day2, I pushed Killing so hard he somehow felt the need to claim. I tried to get shit done. Nah it's not only effort. There was no need for me yesterday to disagree and help dissipate the glowingbear wagon, I even early on said he could be mafia for something he posted, I changed my mind and pushed an alternative wagon instead, pushed it quite hard actually. Also I'm doing (again) the thing where I only give opinions on what I have actually read, I'm not pretending to do more than I'm doing, but I also have substantial work in terms of what I have done, and done well. I'm breaking things down. Like seriously if I'm mafia, I'm on this skydragon wagon every time. Even if he's a teammate I'm bussing the fuck out of him and yelling at him in the QT. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:22 StorrZerg wrote: On the road home. Killing help push. Don't be a wanker and afk. You said planned to fake. Can you confirm bats alignment. (Unless I missed a post explication, I see the claim as possible still red) If it's green I'm thinking sky. I'll give updates on hf as well, and my thoughts leading up to the miss lynch. Everyone seems to agree sky is mafia ergo, he probably isn't. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:24 justanothertownie wrote: Haha. Blatant lie #2. Please show me how people pushed you before I did. Please show me who pushed harder or earlier for Killing today. Could you stop burying him, if you're town it's actually valuable for you to get him to change his mind on you even if he ends up getting lynched. And if he's mafia, why are you arguing with him? | ||
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That's not even an argument. Everything, literally everything, in mafia is wifom. The goal of the game is to recognize which glass is more likely to be poisoned. Maybe my vote on you is well placed after all. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:28 justanothertownie wrote: I am proving that what he says is bullshit in order to lynch him. That is why I am arguing with him. If you can't see that what he posted today is maliciously wrong then you are either mafia or way dumber than I thought. Can I call you bad if he flips town? | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: No shit. But you not being on the Sky wagon does not prove your alignment in any possible case. What about this then. If I'm mafia and you're town, where's the benefit in me tanking my towncred with you by doing exactly what I'm doing? herp derp | ||
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The simple explanation, if you're town, is that I'm town too, not sure what I'm doing but pretty sure this is a bad lynch, throwing a random one out there. Anyway, game has started. Not sure I'll be back to the thread. I'll be leaving my vote on Haru, I think that's a better lynch, and it makes not much sense to lynch an active player (jat) over an inactive one (haru). so there's that. | ||
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JAT is actually probably town, HF I'm less sure about. good night. | ||
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Also, I went to sleep with 0 votes on me, at most 1. And I woke up lynched. That wasn't fun. Why the hell didn't you guys do it earlier? | ||
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