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Palmar
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On September 28 2014 06:58 Killing wrote: You're telling me you can do nothing with the information that both I and Bat are town? I already concluded bat is likely town, and I have no particular reason to think you are until you out your claim, till then you're just trolling for effect. | ||
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On September 28 2014 07:02 Killing wrote: Fuck that, I outted early. I'm getting the most info out of it before I out it. You're not getting any info you moron. Screw it, I'm done. | ||
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First thing is first. We're not lynching Killing. Even given how enormously stupid he's played (he let his green check get lynched on day 1, then on day 2 he claimed for no apparent reason), he's still un-ccd cop. If we have another cop, you have to claim today, the reason being that Killing claimed without a green check. If you intend to wait until tomorrow, you're giving Killing a free pass for today, and tomorrow we might believe him over you, securing a third mislynch based on his fakeclaim. Thus I will assume that he must be the cop, as our real cop would not be bad enough to not CC today. And based on that (and I actually already pointed out, but irrelevant now) batsnacks is obviously not getting lynched. This leaves the potential targets for a lynch at 9 players, 3 of which are mafia. HF JAT Skydragon Fecalfeast Storr Palmar ObiWan Superbia HaruRH Also, @killing, you really should've made more effort for hopeless yesterday, the only reason I had you in my scumlist was that you were defending hopeless based on nothing, somehow you had him as a townread. Now I understand why, but it'd have been a great leap of faith for me to trust that at the time. I'm going to look over my earlier reads and see what I come up with. | ||
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I'm super unsure on Obi, like i further filter readings make me want to not kill other people I might kill him, but I'm sorta doubting it right now. | ||
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If people call me mafia the second game in a row for not being sure what to do imma choke a bitch. | ||
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It's dumb speculation but I'm still interested. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: The fact that nobody was using the voting thread made me think they were joke votes. That's why I didn't use the thread anyway. Lol I actually like your case holyflare This is my number 1 post for townreading FF. Holyflare's case is very obviously sort of a troll case, and it seems quite risky for mafia to randomly announced they like that case. It's much safer to just ignore it. I'm also a bit confused by him. A lot of his attitude from day 1 feels pretty townie, but it doesn't feel very much like he is scumhunting since his reads posts on day 1. I guess I can't blame him with batsnacks and killing trolling the thread. He goes into the tentative town column too, like Obi. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:52 justanothertownie wrote: So, do you think he is mafia or why are you asking? I'm interested in your opinion, and I'd actually more like to know more specifics. Basically, HF has a daunting 14 page filter. He's super annoying to deal with as mafia, and is actually very good at mafia. I still do not trust how he joined the Hopeless wagon yesterday, because I feel he should've made up his mind much earlier. It seems strange that after I posted the initial case on Hopeless, he kept doing other stuff for a long time, then joined much later with basically no new evidence (that is if I recall the events correctly). I feel townflare is confident enough to make a call on my case right there and either disagree or agree. But then again, he has made a few good observations, and he's capable of that as mafia, but as town as well. This is why I wanted him checked. Problem is the worst player in town seems to have gotten the cop role, so all we're getting out of that is a self-claim + 1 green, which is just as bad as if he had claimed on day 1. Anyway, I'm almost definitely going to leave HF until last while reading the potential targets, and I'm super afraid I will actually not lynch him ever if he's mafia, because it's just too much work. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:57 justanothertownie wrote: Meeeh. I think that's a weak read. I mean I agree with you that he isn't very scummy because to me his play looks pretty similar to last game but anyone could say that really. The case wasn't that bad for the start of the game. Of course. But the lol is important, as in he is not overselling his buy-in on the case. The fact that he wrote "lol" shows that he recognizes it's a bit of a troll case, and he is still willing to support it. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:58 Holyflare wrote: The only reason to kill gb is for seer searching. Dunno if he claimed vt at the start of the day. The kill is pretty irrelevant anyway. Really don't like Palmar's recent posts at all. Super silly town reads that aren't even certain and has nothing to do with the main wagons or anything to do with what happened at deadline or any actual analysis of anything Maybe I don't think the main wagons are all that good, or I'm just not paying attention to what is happening right now and instead trying to figure out things on my own? Doesn't make me mafia at all. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:01 batsnacks wrote: Palmar is repeating himself. I do that. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: That's true but I still think that is not enough to townread him. Sure, you don't have to townread him, but it's still better than anything else I have. Like if I read you, hf, haru, sky, superbia, storr and you all look super town, I'll be all for lynching FF, but at the moment he feels more in the town column, mostly based on this. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:01 justanothertownie wrote: I really am the wrong person to ask here. I have an abysmal track record for catching scum HF. He is responsible for 2 of my recent failures. I know you are the wrong person, that is precisely why I'm asking you. You have barely even mentioned holyflare at all this game. I think the closest thing you came to talking about him was your ninja vote commentary. That's nothing. In fact I feel like you guys haven't interacted all that much throughout the game, which feels sorta weird. | ||
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On September 28 2014 12:13 Superbia wrote: This day fucking hurt to read, especially having to do it in one go. Holyflare - I don't think the game would even progress without him. Town until there's a check or a scumslip. Killing - Hard claims seer with a fake red, but later switches it to a double green check (one of which is conveniently dead). Like what the fuck are you even doing here? No cop would out here since you're giving town virtually nothing. Feels like scum trying to test the waters and see if they can bait out a counterclaim and get away with it. Doesn't help that he just literally ragequits the game right after, which scum loves to do. If it wasn't for the fact that we only have 1 PR I would lynch him right now, as it stands I don't even want to take the slightest risk when it comes to possibly lynching cop. That being said, I don't really believe it. batsnacks - If there was a third party role, this would be the guy. He's playing the game upside down or something. Scumreads 2/3 of my town and townreads my current scum. Shit like this also stands out: You played last game, Palmar stepped it up big time during d2. This read makes no fucking sense, just by reading Palmar's last game you should know this (specifically his d2 play). And then there is post #1132. Why don't you just admit that you soft claimed? You can't start the day off like that and expect people not to think you're soft claiming. It would've been fine in my eyes if you just backed off, but instead you make that overly defensive post. It just doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. Decently sure bats is scum, but I actually don't like a scumteam with both killing and bats, their interaction was too close, if that makes sense. I feel like we'll only hit 1 between the 2. Vote doesn't go on him because of the slightest possibility of Killing actually being cop. Palmar - Actually really like Palmar's d2 and I'm not sure why so many people are giving him shit. He's straight to the point and no bullshit. It really seems like he is trying to defuse the clowning around soft claiming for an hour and straight up filter the information. It also helps that this made it way easier for me to read parts of d2. Liking Palmar as town. Fecalfeast - Stepped up his d2 play in my eyes. He's saying relevant shit and is active with regards to relevant subjects (I also have to admit that I liked the jokes about sheeping). Get the feeling this guy might be town but I want to wait a little before I put him in my towncircle. He's definitely not a lynch for now. justanothertownie - His posts feel a lot less vanilla-town this day and I like it. Didn't even have to visit the filter to notice his posts! Him pinging out killing also let to the weak cop claim, so if killing flips scum JAT is pretty much confirmed town. Leaving him null for now. Also not a lynch for now. Will elaborate on other people who stand out (notably Sky at this point) come tomorrow, after I've had some sleep. Also we really need to resolve the Killing claim because my two primary scumreads are ironically the entire cop circle thing. I don't know if cop should counterclaim at this point though. I would rather take a bigger chance on a mislynch and for cop to have a possible red check on d3 at this point, followed by a double (and with slight possibility even triple) hit. I either scumread in the Sky/Obi/Haru group tomorrow, or new posts cause me to re-evaluate, or I'm completely clueless where to put my vote. Btw, I'm just pointing this out, if superbia is town and correct, the game has been solved. Scumteam is sky/obi/haru  Mostly because he gives 5 people in the 9 player group that is potential scum candidates a townread in this post. Also, this feels sort of like CR last game. He is 100% correct about me, so correct that it feels eerie (and last game it was  )I don't know though, I need to read his entire filter, I just thought I'd point this out. | ||
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Palmar
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I stand corrected. I forgot to press the "all" button when ctrl+f ing your filter so I missed a bunch of interactions. Anyway I still want you to consider it. You know as well as me that if HF is mafia, it's going to take both of us to lynch him. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:13 batsnacks wrote: If you guys don't want to vote Palmar look at these people: That sentence makes me think FF could be scum. In the fanfic he was never worried about posting. He posted stuff like this: I think he's been more reserved in general this game. Also maybe look at obiwan. He looks scummy too. For later in the game, could you please just drop your scumread on me, or at least assume that you could be wrong, and actually read my posts without assuming they all come from mafia. It's going to be incredibly tough to recover this game if I have townies basically disregarding everything I do. | ||
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