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On October 02 2014 23:21 StorrZerg wrote:
Seriously guys, just look at the votes, where have active towns been. ALWAYS AT THE FRONT OF THE LYNCHES PUSHING.
LOOK at the people who are alive with outlying votes, who get on cases late. This game isn't that complicated of mafia pushing THAT FUCKING HARD day 2 to switch a lynch. I HAD FUCKING 0 reason to kill palmar as mafia. He was town reading me hard, and wanted to lynch haru.
I wanted to lynch VE hard today. Why would i fucking kill someone like this unless i was with ve............................ Like seriously use your heads guys, follow the logic its there i swear. If i'm mafia, i'm playing for the god damn win this day, i'm not killing HF in a million years cause i would be town reading him today, and pocketing him. I would have 100% killed the uncontrollable batsnacks who happens to be confirmed town.
And look here! He's afraid he's going to get lynched so what does he do? He IMMEDIATELY plants seeds of VEdoubt in the thread which I'm SURE come with instructions in the mafia chat to nurture surreptitiously after he flips mafia.
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On October 03 2014 02:25 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 03 2014 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
I'm a bad man... Why do I do stuff like that to people...
VE please, channel some of that energy towards FF or super. If you're town I think you'll like where it gets you. I've already told you. I'm voting for the scum we're lynching today. If I'm wrong I'm absolutely fine bearing the weight of this loss on my shoulders. But I'm not because Storrzerg is 100% mafia. If we lynch anyone else this cycle, it will be without my help, and therefor will be mafia influenced. I'm a bad man too. Let's find out who's badder shall we? You're playing with fire VE. All I want you to say is: FF: <alignment> Superbia: <alignment> Then you can go back to beating your dead horse.
Why are you treating me like this? I have a GOOD read with GOOD reasoning. I've told you, I'll give you my reads of other players once I have ASSURANCE that Storrzerg is the lynch today. I'll even scale it back and say that that means AT LEAST the number of townies left in the game ON Storrzerg, NOT after he's been lynched. Compromise, see? Cooperation, see?
I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm providing content in this game - I'm explaining my reasoning for reading Storrzerg as mafia. I AM reading other players, proof of that is me just finding Storrzerg's explanation of his bats nonsense WHILE FILTERING JAT. I'll admit that once I found it I got sidetracked into DUNKING on Storrzerg's reasoning, but I AM reading other players man.
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Dude spare one word each for FF and super. Come on.
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HF did not have a hard read on my alignment. He was how ever 100% going in the direction to not lynch me. Did I recall incorrectly how much HF was liking me? Yes. How ever this isn't important, whats important is to show you guys he wasn't thinking of me as scum, and that he was moving in the direction of me being town at the end of day 3.
Start of day 3 where his head is.
On September 29 2014 22:21 Holyflare wrote:
And obi and confirmed town batsnacks holding people hostage to kill a towny
On September 29 2014 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
Sad thing is it probably makes all of you guys towny -.-
On September 29 2014 22:24 Holyflare wrote:
So sky/Superbia/jat/haru/fecal
his scum list
On September 29 2014 23:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded. No Fucking Way ##vote StorrZerg
Then we have him blowing up at me. Yet, he eventually comes around and stops pressing me, and stops considering me as mafia.
On September 30 2014 02:07 Holyflare wrote:The only thing I can now say, knowing that storr had the most bull shit reasons for being on palmar ever is that obi is probably town for the way he was reacting at deadline and the way he was calling out posts. Honestly, I think fecal was pretty towny in reacting as well and he actually stuck to sky better than I actually did, I also like some of his reactions in regards to the hopeless lynch and some other things he's said throughout the game. So changing my previous list it's now sky/storr/superbia/jat/haru ^^ i'll start writing stuff on the above soon, I just really need to take a shit
Read of obi as town.
On October 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't really, I'd probably remove storr and add obi in possibly.
Starting to consider me as town, ready to remove me as a suspect.
Seriously, read the last 4-5 pages of HF. he isn't pushing me any more.
On October 01 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
Like what if it was actually just townies...? Storr had the same "reason" as you, thinking batsnacks was seer so he doesn't count. Batsnacks is town. Obi looked genuine and i am town. So why do those reads completely change? Does obi become LESS genuine? Does storr read flip even though he had thw the same reason as you?
If you thought batsnacks was cop like you said why on earyh weren't you on palmar???
On October 01 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:
Oh nvm about the batsnacks thing. Rest still stands
Here he is seriously toying with the idea that everyone on palmar could be town. He is genuinely considering it as an idea. Hence why much of his focus this day has been on haru. The last bit, about batsnack, is me thinking bats was cop. He closes this point, because he is at the point where i am now back to town. I have explained my day 2 shenanigans, and he has found it at least "acceptable"
End result, he does toy with me and obi both being town. It isn't a "100% read" but its here. Its valid. The last post specifically, call it "musings" if you want, but this is his last thought on the palmar lynch.
Hence why he was very set to lynch Haru today. And the only other person who wanted to push haru was myself.
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That's all based on a Sky scumflip. That's all based on his read of a player which is INCORRECT Storr. Holy ABSOLUTELY would have reevaluated today, ESPECIALLY with me replacing in and Sky flipping town. OBVIOUSLY Storr. He was MUSING about the idea because it was still based on the incorrect assumption that Sky is MAFIA.
Again, Holyflare might have considered you town briefly on D3, but with the extra information that Sky is town who knows what he might have thought next? We'll never know will we because HOLYFLARE IS DEAD.
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where is this based off sky flipping scum???/
if sky flips town, he said he go hard on haru.
If sky flipped mafia, he would have to relook at the situation.... relook at wagons...
On October 01 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Depends on skys flip..? If it's town almost certainly haru, if it's mafia I'll have to have a look at day 1 and 2 wagons again.
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It's not valid. It's based on a Sky scumflip. He's certain Sky is mafia, and he's making assumptions about the makeup of the wagons based on that assumption. His read on that situation is completely invalid as it pertains to your defense. You say he was defending you. He was not defending you. He never defended you. He was considering that MAYBE you could be town, GIVEN SKY IS MAFIA, but then Holy died before having a chance to reevaluate the situation.
Luckily, you got me. :D
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On October 03 2014 02:50 StorrZerg wrote:where is this based off sky flipping scum???/ if sky flips town, he said he go hard on haru. If sky flipped mafia, he would have to relook at the situation.... relook at wagons... Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Depends on skys flip..? If it's town almost certainly haru, if it's mafia I'll have to have a look at day 1 and 2 wagons again.
And what was his reasoing for Haru again? Inactivity and being on outlying wagons? Cool story bruh, and I'm POSITIVE he'd read me as town today. But, again, it doesn't matter does it because he's dead. YOU can say that it's because "The inactive replacing Haru was scared of HF pushing him...even though he's.....replacing...out.........", and I can say "Because he would reevaluate today and realize that his flimsy TOWNISH LEAN on Storrzerg is based on thin air."
But I said I'd let it go if you quoted the post where he defends you. I can KINDA see where you might construe that as defending you. Maybe. So I'll let it go I guess. That is unless you want to talk about how hard HF wanted to lynch Haru and why?
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On October 03 2014 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not valid. It's based on a Sky scumflip. He's certain Sky is mafia, and he's making assumptions about the makeup of the wagons based on that assumption. His read on that situation is completely invalid as it pertains to your defense. You say he was defending you. He was not defending you. He never defended you. He was considering that MAYBE you could be town, GIVEN SKY IS MAFIA, but then Holy died before having a chance to reevaluate the situation.
Luckily, you got me. :D
On September 30 2014 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
Yes well sky at this point in time is a giant question mark that's leaning on the side of super scummy but there are 2 other partners if he is mafia and 3 mafia if he's town so there's a way better chance at focusing discussion on not skydragon than this continual cycle of is he or isn't he mafia.
On October 01 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
super paranoid that this guy flips town and haru then also flips town
HF was absolutly not sure that sky was mafia. HE was the biggest question mark.
HE WAS TRYING TO GET A WAGON ON HARU INSTEAD OF SKY.
On October 01 2014 09:23 Holyflare wrote:
kinda want to lynch haru into skydragon :D:D:D:D:D:D
On October 01 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:
my reasoning is sound though! if this guy flips town we're basing everything on a giant question mark tomorrow! a question mark of massive afking, at least this way if haru flips town we're prepared for everything!
On October 01 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote:
lynching haru before sky to save us from lynching him in lylo if sky flips town
so VE IS WRONG
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That doesn't defeat my point that HF never defended you Storr. You say he defended you. That's a LIE.
HF wanted to lynch Haru for inactivity. He literally says that several times - because Haru is the BIGGEST question mark because of the AFKing. It's right there in the second post Storr.
So what do you think his read of me would be this cycle Storr? With an active player actively trying to figure out the game, AGREEING with his initial feels on you, and given a Sky town-flip, HOW do you think HF would be reading VE this game?
Answer carefully because I know Holyflare FAR better than you do. 
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On September 30 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
I think it's time we switch to haru
On September 30 2014 11:24 Holyflare wrote:
Haru hasn't been on any wagons on any lynch and while making a bit of sense day 1, completely devolved day 3 and is doing nothing today (even posted wrong info about killing)
On October 01 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
Haru has never been on a single wagon that we've had the entire game and always has a throwaway vote. Although, if sky flips mafia it's really odd that haru just didn't want free credit then especially as nobody but me proposed a counter wagon day 1 (although prob just to avpod bus)
On October 01 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Depends on skys flip..? If it's town almost certainly haru, if it's mafia I'll have to have a look at day 1 and 2 wagons again.
On October 01 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:
my reasoning is sound though! if this guy flips town we're basing everything on a giant question mark tomorrow! a question mark of massive afking, at least this way if haru flips town we're prepared for everything!
On October 01 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote:
urgh and haru called gb definitely town
Doesn't like that haru called GB deff town, when he was a big question mark day 1, even called out to be checked by a cop (by the cop) who didn't check GB and GB ended up dead. HMMM
Yeah HF was 100% going to go for the throat on haru today.
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On October 03 2014 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:That doesn't defeat my point that HF never defended you Storr. You say he defended you. That's a LIE. HF wanted to lynch Haru for inactivity. He literally says that several times - because Haru is the BIGGEST question mark because of the AFKing. It's right there in the second post Storr. So what do you think his read of me would be this cycle Storr? With an active player actively trying to figure out the game, AGREEING with his initial feels on you, and given a Sky town-flip, HOW do you think HF would be reading VE this game? Answer carefully because I know Holyflare FAR better than you do.
Ok by that logic Joey knows me the best
On September 26 2014 01:47 Killing wrote:here is my quick reads -Fecalfeast: Mafia I hated how he opened, everything he said was dripping with mafia awkwardness. I tend to write down every post that makes me think that someone is mafia and he's currently leading with 4. I can quote them and explain them but i'm fucking lazy and i'm town so no fucks given. ( 122, 135, 160, 196). He's been townier after that shit but I like my gut reads usually. -HF: Town, I agree with the people sahying overlooking the haru case is town. I don't remember why else I have him as town I sohuld probably write down the post that make people town but ok moving on. Haru: Town. I believed her when she said she was happy to get town. Sky: This fucker is mafia. Top lynch right now. I have a couple posts of his written down but I actually really didn't like this one. Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 11:40 SkyDragon wrote:On September 25 2014 11:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ugh, this SkyDragon guy is making me super fucking paranoid.
Who puts so much emphasis on their newness besides mafia? Posts like that are going to make sure nobody listens to you. I'm just being honest, mate. Didn't realize that it would make you paranoid, lol. The truth of the matter is that I'm leaning on you being more Town than most others because of the paranoia. I mean, what Mafia member goes crazy paranoid over what alignment someone may have? You could be feigning the paranoia but I don't think so. The ending is what mafia says a lot. You could be fooling me but I think i'm right. Yeah I think he's mafia. Also his post a few above mine with just those objective bullet points. GB - Terrible reads. No idea if he's mafia or bad but his cases are terrible to read. hypociritcal of me maybe Storr- He's town cause he's acting lke a whiny bitch as usual. Also as I was doing my first read, he reached the exact same conclusions as me with regards to haru and fecal.
On September 26 2014 02:41 Killing wrote:
The fact that storr thinks that my post confirmed him as town somehow just makes him more town is that bad? jk he's town
On September 27 2014 23:47 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote:
FecalFeast: Superbia
Skydragon:: Killing, StorrZerg, Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der:: Palmar, Holyflare, batsnacks, skydragon, fecalfeast, justanothertownie. ObiWanShinobi
superbia:: HaruRH
Killing:: Glowingbear
I'm town, storr is town, and now hopeless is confirmed. IF sky was town, THAT WAS THE EASIEST ML OF ALL TIME. Mafia could just push on him and call him useless. That was clearly reverse bwed by mafia since they were getting it in the butt. If we don't kill him today, it'll be atrocious.
On September 28 2014 01:04 Killing wrote:
Thank god storr is here. Save me bb
/case closed
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By what logic? I asked you a question and you didn't even answer it...Unless you did in saying that Joey was reading you town the way Holy WOULD be reading me town as fuck. Which nullifies your point about HF going for the throat on Haru today.
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And frankly I think I know you best because while Joey has played in more games with you, I've spoken with you more about mafia than Joey has. Joey knows OF you and has played with you - perhaps enough to get a "townread" on you on D1 (before ALL of the stuff that I'm saying makes you mafia makes you mafia, BUT ANYWAY), but I know how you think and play in games because I talk with you quite extensively about mafia games I'M not even in that you're playing in as town. I know the kinds of things you look for as town. And I'll tell you what it's not - SUPER ACTIVE TOWNIES WHO ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE GAME, WHETHER THEY ARE PUSHING YOU FOR LYNCH OR NOT.
/case closed
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You obviously don't know me as well as you think since you are pushing me.
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On October 03 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 23:21 StorrZerg wrote:
Seriously guys, just look at the votes, where have active towns been. ALWAYS AT THE FRONT OF THE LYNCHES PUSHING.
LOOK at the people who are alive with outlying votes, who get on cases late. This game isn't that complicated of mafia pushing THAT FUCKING HARD day 2 to switch a lynch. I HAD FUCKING 0 reason to kill palmar as mafia. He was town reading me hard, and wanted to lynch haru.
I wanted to lynch VE hard today. Why would i fucking kill someone like this unless i was with ve............................ Like seriously use your heads guys, follow the logic its there i swear. If i'm mafia, i'm playing for the god damn win this day, i'm not killing HF in a million years cause i would be town reading him today, and pocketing him. I would have 100% killed the uncontrollable batsnacks who happens to be confirmed town.
And look here! He's afraid he's going to get lynched so what does he do? He IMMEDIATELY plants seeds of VEdoubt in the thread which I'm SURE come with instructions in the mafia chat to nurture surreptitiously after he flips mafia.
WHAT A LOD OF CRAP ROFL
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On October 03 2014 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 02:25 batsnacks wrote:On October 03 2014 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 03 2014 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
I'm a bad man... Why do I do stuff like that to people...
VE please, channel some of that energy towards FF or super. If you're town I think you'll like where it gets you. I've already told you. I'm voting for the scum we're lynching today. If I'm wrong I'm absolutely fine bearing the weight of this loss on my shoulders. But I'm not because Storrzerg is 100% mafia. If we lynch anyone else this cycle, it will be without my help, and therefor will be mafia influenced. I'm a bad man too. Let's find out who's badder shall we? You're playing with fire VE. All I want you to say is: FF: <alignment> Superbia: <alignment> Then you can go back to beating your dead horse. Why are you treating me like this? I have a GOOD read with GOOD reasoning. I've told you, I'll give you my reads of other players once I have ASSURANCE that Storrzerg is the lynch today. I'll even scale it back and say that that means AT LEAST the number of townies left in the game ON Storrzerg, NOT after he's been lynched. Compromise, see? Cooperation, see? I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm providing content in this game - I'm explaining my reasoning for reading Storrzerg as mafia. I AM reading other players, proof of that is me just finding Storrzerg's explanation of his bats nonsense WHILE FILTERING JAT. I'll admit that once I found it I got sidetracked into DUNKING on Storrzerg's reasoning, but I AM reading other players man.
Because your read isn't good. Every dead town (save for GB who was literally wrong about ALL his reads) and skydragon (who is a donkey, but he stopped pushing me) HAd me as town.
Killing I'm his #1 town.
Palmar I'm his #1 town
HolyFlare I'm in his town list when he dies. (correctly, i'm not in his mafia circle, hence why im either null or leaning town obviously for him)
Clearly in this game where all the major wagons have been ON town, lead by TOWN it makes sense for me to kill the people that are town reading me, so i can fight really hard to not die. Yeah totally makes sense.
Dead townies found my explanation of day 2, resonable in the sense that no mafia would be that fucking nuts, to make up some horse ass story to get someone lynched who had a mafia as his number #1 town read. It is absolutly just absurd.
ockham's razor the shit.
Your reasoning is bad. You think it is very likely 2 within me and obi. THAT IS TERRIBLE reasoning, since HF died. 100% no fucking way a team of "obi and i" kill HF and make the whole palmar lynch debacle a reason for us to be lynched. its just soooooo bad.
Given this case, if you just think 1 was on palmar. THen you have to know 2 ARE WITHIN SUPER FF JAT. AND YOU REFUSE TO LOOK AT THEM OR TALK ABOUT THEM TILL "i'm the confirmed" lynch. THIS IS NOT PRO TOWN PLAY.
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On October 03 2014 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's all based on a Sky scumflip. That's all based on his read of a player which is INCORRECT Storr. Holy ABSOLUTELY would have reevaluated today, ESPECIALLY with me replacing in and Sky flipping town. OBVIOUSLY Storr. He was MUSING about the idea because it was still based on the incorrect assumption that Sky is MAFIA.
Again, Holyflare might have considered you town briefly on D3, but with the extra information that Sky is town who knows what he might have thought next? We'll never know will we because HOLYFLARE IS DEAD.
Makes me look a hella lot more town, exactly why he looks hella town if sky flips. What fucking mafia team switches a for sure town lynch, to another town lynch last second. Ill tell you, they don't
HE WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER HARU TODAY, AND NOT ME. THE ONLY WAY HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING ME WOULD BE IF SKY FLIPPED MAFIA. because in that case "i saved sky by pushing palmar" same with "obi"
and people who stuck on sky would be more town.
The fact that you are trying to make it appear like we have "no idea" what holy was thinking is absurd.
He didn't have me in the mafia circle, ergo i was not on his radar as scum, ergo he wouldn't want to lynch me. Specially since we both wanted to lynch haru, we both pushed plamar as town.
Its simple, at the time, if i was mafia, Bats dies, i push haru with holy for the win. There was no indication that haru was going to be replaced. The fact that you are in the game doesn't mean anything. We don't know how he would react, and you absolutely can't justify you know how he would act right now.
If anything he 100% wouldn't be pushing me regardless.
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They all wanted to lynch me too and I'm town. Again, bad point.
My play is perfectly pro town. I'm lynching mafia.
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On October 03 2014 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
That doesn't defeat my point that HF never defended you Storr. You say he defended you. That's a LIE.
I was never being attacked day 3. He didn't "defend" me. That is correct.
I was NOT in his mafia circle. I was not Mafia in his eyes when the day ended.
HF wanted to lynch Haru for inactivity. He literally says that several times - because Haru is the BIGGEST question mark because of the AFKing. It's right there in the second post Storr.
And the fishy stuff with GB, and the fact he wasn't on any wagons, and the fishy stuff about jat. it was absolutely not just "afk" aspect.
So what do you think his read of me would be this cycle Storr? With an active player actively trying to figure out the game, AGREEING with his initial feels on you, and given a Sky town-flip, HOW do you think HF would be reading VE this game? Answer carefully because I know Holyflare FAR better than you do.
I have no idea what his read would be. Maybe you convince him not to push you. But he absolutely would be pushing on FF, jat, super, maybe obi today if you convinced him you are not the lynch. Or maybe he fights with you and calls you mafia and tries to get you lynched. I don't know how he would have reacted, since HE DIED WHEN YOU REPLACED IN. Your reasoning of "active player trying to figure the game out, applies to myself as well" SO by that reasoning HF would NOT be lynching me today.
Sky town flip, he reads HARU scum, ergo he has bias when you join the game as scum.
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