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On September 26 2014 05:21 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:18 abuse wrote:
Sure. Ignore everything I say.
VE it is.
## vote: VE Tell me what I'm ignoring so I can refrain from ignoring it. I agree with your vote but you clearly don't. What are your thoughts?
Your whole case on me is based on that one post, and because I seem to be wishy washy and have not stated my thoughts on DP and Vayne.
This is false, I have done so many times. Read the filter.
My thoughts up until a few minutes ago, due to some QT interaction, were that vayne is definitely scum. Not so sure now, but I sure as hell am not going to let him keep playing like this if this continues after D1. I have been null on VE this entire time, because his gameplay is very peculiar, but I trust hapa's judgement in this case, and his vote on CR is silly beyond belief.
I don't really have a problem with a lynch on VE. What makes you think I do not agree with my vote?
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@geript, That "please" is filled with sarcasm tho.
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On September 26 2014 12:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
abuse is confirmed town if CR isnt mafia* Correct. I'd take his opinions with a grain of salt still considering his experience.
what the fuck is this, I don't even.
Because inexperienced people cannot think strategically and are blind to everything going on in the game?
Or should I take this as your godly permission to lurk from now on?
Pretty obvious what we should do in case CR flips blue.
As previously stated - Lynch/check one person per pair until we hit jackpot. considering the fact that scum will also be shooting people at the next night, we should have our answer in a day or so and you don't need much of a brain to figure this out.
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On September 26 2014 18:09 DarthPunk wrote:
That is basically it. There is a fuckload or elitism on this site. Kind of justified because Many of the players here are objectively very skilled. But it also means it takes a while to earn the respect of the vets.
Seems counter-productive if you want more people in your community.
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@ geript, well at least I might actually have one person here reading what I'm saying. Hopefully it won't be a waste of time as many here (lol at DP) seem to think.
Just to clarify the werewolf role. Does it work only once, or does it work permenantly?
The description is not clear.
Because if it works permenantly, and the 3P role at the moment is defender, then it makes that person virtually unkillable, and also makes him a confirmed town right up until the endgame if he claims as Vayne did, because werewolf's only weakness is lynches. This seems much too imbalanced and I do not see this role being available, if the 3P does not have KP. If Vayne's claim is real, then there is a 50% chance we will see someone poisoned on N2, if not then it is 100% chance that an arsonist is in the game. Either way this game is basically unwinnable by mafia at this point, since, worst case scenario, the last 3 people are 1 town(or 3P), 1 scum and 1 vayne, with vayne being confirmed town. If the town at the endgame is confirmed town by some means, then it guarantees us a win, considering we catch the 3P in time.
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On September 27 2014 19:34 HaruRH wrote:
The werewolf role triggers upon his death. Having a unkillable role is inbalanced.
I see.
Still, if vayne's claim is not fake, then considering we only have 1 scum after CR, he is unkillable by scum. Town wins if the last 3P role is defender.
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On September 27 2014 20:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 20:07 abuse wrote:On September 27 2014 19:34 HaruRH wrote:
The werewolf role triggers upon his death. Having a unkillable role is inbalanced. I see. Still, if vayne's claim is not fake, then considering we only have 1 scum after CR, he is unkillable by scum. Town wins if the last 3P role is defender. His claim is almost certainly fake.
I am not taking CR's claim into account. Because if CR is defender then we have 2 scum alive and then what I said does not apply.
This was more aimed at what you said that prome is 99% defender.
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Which means that scum did shoot a vet tonight and there is no alternative if no doc is present. In case of a claim we'd get a confirmed town.
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On September 27 2014 20:27 DarthPunk wrote:
So everyone just ignoring my case hey?
Sorry mustve ignored you. Damn that must be a sucky feeling.
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I... am not certain what input I can give at this point to look for precisely scum, considering I am not too familiar with your meta's, and knowing who would or would not be angry at CR. Why are we not spending any time at all on the 3P role now though?(after vayne has publicly claimed being werewolf)
If Vayne's claim is real and he is a werewolf, that makes him unkillable by scum. Meaning the only way for scum to have a shot at winning at this point, is for the 3P to kill vayne. Why are we not spending any effort at all looking for the 3P since it is the bigger threat at the moment, and it is obvious that they do have KP at this point?
Judging by thread presence and confirmed roles so far, I'd put my money on 3P/Scum most likely being MM1.
Though, again, this is based purely on thread observation and not meta knowledge.
Why MM1? Because going through his filter, he has not many posts, and he mentions 3P a fair ammount,considering his overall post count, and doubting CR being defender, instead of CR being 3P altogether.
Also posts like
On September 25 2014 16:15 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I still don't think CR is mafia, he is most probably 3p, lynching him today does nothing unless he is the poisoner. I'd rather lynch Damdred
Where he tries to delay lynching CR, to reveal that he is not a 3P, before this information was clear to everyone.
He was also very wary of Hapa, and expressed that by wanting to lynch me, not hapa. This strikes me as very weird, because I see no reason to not want to lynch the person you think is scummy, instead of the one he shares a qt with, especially in a setup where there is definitely 1 qt with a scum and town/3p together, so my lynch would really provide no information whatsoever in that scenario, still he pushed it forward. Afterwards he keeps being on the phone or in class, as if to stay in the background of the game.
Also On September 28 2014 10:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
LOL, geripts pressure on me, you 3p? is a joke of a post, because it should be pretty obvious at this point that geript is town aligned.
And the fact that after being away for so long, all he says is 'I am back boys" instead of anything worth while, and something that actually shows some input.
P.S. Complaining about days getting cut in half is not really helping so can we please cut the whining about that and the way this game is hosted out of the thread, since our time is already quite limited?
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On September 28 2014 23:16 geript wrote:
Abuse, would you explain to me why you're focusing on Vayne's werewolf claim?
On September 28 2014 20:33 abuse wrote:
If Vayne's claim is real and he is a werewolf, that makes him unkillable by scum. Meaning the only way for scum to have a shot at winning at this point, is for the 3P to kill vayne. Why are we not spending any effort at all looking for the 3P since it is the bigger threat at the moment, and it is obvious that they do have KP at this point?
On September 29 2014 00:58 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
@Abuse, geript is confirmed town and there is a reason in qt he knows im town.
On September 28 2014 20:33 abuse wrote:Also Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 10:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
LOL, geripts pressure on me, you 3p? is a joke of a post, because it should be pretty obvious at this point that geript is town aligned.And the fact that after being away for so long, all he says is 'I am back boys" instead of anything worth while, and something that actually shows some input.
Why dont people want to read but ask questions that are already answered?
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I was sleeping. Because that's what people do on sunday nights when they have to go to work on monday.
Also - Guys what the hell.
Where on earth did you get the idea that 3P wins with town?
"Survive till the end" means you win when you are the last one standing.
This is how it has always been with 3P. Why on earth are you taking DP's word for it(winning with town), when he himself is the 3P?
If Oats is the shotgunner, then right now we can safely assume that DP is the arsonist(already mentioned that Defender is not possible in this setup, and if he were the poisoner, someone would have died tonight).
Why on earth would an arsonist win with town, when his whole role is based on dousing as many people in gasoline as possible and lighting them up in the endgame? What does that role even have the need to be in the game, if they win in the endgame with town, if they did it would be a town role, not a 3P.
As for Scum, with DP claiming 3P, that leaves MM1 as scum. I will stay with my previous post about him, which he really has not addressed in any way either.
The "play" with saying he tracked oats, basically just revealed the shotgunner to everyone. It was was a town move if done by town, but was also a scum move if done by scum, because it revealed a town power role to them by forcing Oats to claim.
What would Oats do if he was not a shotgunner but just a vanilla, and could not provide proof that he killed kush?
Oats would be lynched, that's what.
Why on earth would you do this?
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On September 29 2014 14:35 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
vote VA and shorten the day, DP, please kill either abuse or grack
if arsonist ignites, he will kill more than just "either abuse or grack".
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On September 29 2014 20:51 HaruRH wrote:
3P wins when the game ends and he survives. He can win with both town and mafia.
Well that sucks.
On September 29 2014 19:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Survive to the end. When the game ends I win if I survive. If it was anything else it would be: You win when you have eliminated all other players.
But it's not. It is survive to the end. So stfu with your fear mongering idiot.
I'd watch what I say, considering you did not get a single read correct during this game and you chose to aid town in an already town biased setup. And you are supposed to be good. What a joke.
Also, survive till the end - in all games I played, 3P wins when he is the last one standing - which is the end of the game, if a 3P role is present.
That being said.
I concede.
I don't see a win happening in this setup from this moment.
good game folks.
On September 27 2014 15:50 geript wrote:
I don't think Abuse has any potential shot of being mafia and making this post. Being a newer player and being mafia on a team of CR/VE/Abuse, I don't think anyone could have guided him to make this post. This is the exact 100% down to a tee type of post that newer players who are town and run up against "vet superiority complexes" make. Prome might disagree, but I doubt it. I don't think that this sort of frustration with the air of arrogance that can be at TL can be faked well or even be thought of in order to fake by new scum. If he did, my hat is off to you sir.
I will await your hat, sir.
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On September 29 2014 22:22 Damdred wrote:
Yea after that last big post you did flinging dirt on dp i figured you were mafia. GG
I actually said that becuase I legitly thought that there was no way that there would be a scenario that a 3P could ever possibly win with town, if he has KP.
Such a turn is.. weird.
Also, props to you. It shouldn't really have given me any scum cred, considering it is against my interests to lynch a 3P at this point, but I guess this is not a newbie game, and I was pretty desperate at that point, because the 3P was not doing what I was expecting him to do. Oh wells.
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On September 29 2014 22:29 DarthPunk wrote:
lol. I was playing to my win condition by helping town when they were ahead but not being so productive enough to be shot.
Not sure why that makes you so mad.
Cause you're bm and arrogant as fk, and I don't like bm and arrogance.You are also not as good as you think you are. No good player would flat out ignore a person's posts in a game. Especially if the person is scum.
That and I'm just frustrated and confused, because I never expected a KP 3P role to be on town's side and able to win with town.
My whole game depended on you killing town. Which you didn't do, so there is nothing I can do anymore really, especially if Vayne really does turn out to be Werewolf, and I do not have the luxury of trying to find it out.
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On September 29 2014 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Your winning required me to play my given role INCORRECTLY. So don't try and logically justify your butthurt when I play the role correctly.
Well I guess you did play it incorrectly, considering you would have died the next night, because you claimed and I would not have risked you having me doused already. Anyway, now you can safely ignore what I say about you, because I am slightly annoyed with how this game played out, and with your role's wincon.
On September 29 2014 22:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 22:17 abuse wrote:
I'd watch what I say, considering you did not get a single read correct during this game and you chose to aid town in an already town biased setup. And you are supposed to be good. What a joke.
Also, survive till the end - in all games I played, 3P wins when he is the last one standing - which is the end of the game, if a 3P role is present.
I would add that it is good play to throw your lot in with the side that is favoured
True, but it is just batcrap dumb to do it and then complain that the game was boring and and/or too easy or whatever.
He did play well considering the role he was given, with the conditions that were in play. I'm just still angry because I thought that 3P cannot win with town, and I expected him to play to that goal. (which would have been harder and more fun)
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