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On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote: It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote: On Superbia: I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? People pushing on people helps me find mafia. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:22 Elvis! wrote: Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given. This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia. That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things. How does it prevent you from finding mafia? I didn't get a mafia vibe from any of his posts, and I thought his response was genuine. I'm going to wait until he posts again before I finally decide whether this is a good wagon or not, but at the moment I don't like it. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:26 Elvis! wrote: I'm confused. You're happy with people pushing on him but you don't like the wagon. This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information I'm (decently) happy with the information I'm getting. Day started slow but the wagon on loaf gives me information. I'm currently not planning to see him lynched, but that's partially up to him. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:29 Elvis! wrote: and while we´re on it, how do you feel about the points I brought up about loafery? I'm new to this and like criticism. (even though you might be mafia and mislead me. Which if you do and I detect it might give reasons to call you mafia, if you don't I have more good vibes. Win-Win) Eh, let's walk through some of your points then: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. Day had just begun and he is the center of attention. Don't expect too many genuine reads from someone in this position. He was rather quick to call people town, but everyone has their own play style. Also, FF was rather quick to trust me, wouldn't you think? Nobody commented on that. 2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? I've played with some veterans by now and some of them don't even know what roles are in the game by d3. Did he talk about he himself being a newbie? Please link to post. 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Actually I have rolled mafia before and his points are actually pretty relevant. As mafia you don't want to be in the spotlight. You want to appear townie. That's literally all you want to do. You don't give a flying fuck about solving the game or whatever. You hide and you rolehunt. Tricking others to start a miss lynch is just bonus. Whatever, he should defend himself. | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote: "This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown." for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed. I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it... But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. You want to read abuse as scummy but you're not. Can you give some reads on other people? What do you think about the people who joined the push? | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:12 loafery wrote: where does it say I don't? I am reading him as scum. Any other reads? | ||
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On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote: Hi guys, sorry for being absent for a while. I'm afraid i'm going to be absent a few hours after this as well, but after that I can play for real. I thought i should do a quick analysis on loafrey, as he seems the most scummy to my eyes. Why does zen think he had to do a quick analysis on loaf here? Why does he not exercise a little patience and make a better case later on? Why does he feel the need to get a push out on someone quickly (before others)? This feels like mafia trying to get some easy town points by getting some easy reads out. Town has no need to rush here. There is no EoD in sight. Mafia wants to appear townie, how do they do that? By getting out easy reads and easy pushes. This is one of them. Hence, zen is scum. So there is a theme running through zen's post that I want to specifically look at: Zen did not read the thread well. This comes up in a later post during which he exclaims: On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote: Ok, so I read trough the thread better this time and it seems like most of my arguments, like someone already mentioned, had already been said by abuse. Now, assuming this is true (more on this later), my point of "why did you need to feel the need to rush out a push" becomes more prominent. After all, abuse was already starting a push on loaf. Why would town feel a need to push on loaf here? It's already being done. Again, this is scum trying to get easy town points. This leads me to a contradiction between zen's two posts. You see, zen said that he did not read the thread well before he posted his initial post, but in said post he says: On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote: But as stated before, saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior. On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:It might have been poorly worded or misinterpreted by others, but some of your behaviour after is also kind of strange. This means that zen did read abuse's push on loaf. It was, after all, abuse who stated "saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior". Moreover, the behaviour "after" was interaction with abuse, which zen claimed he did not read (though he clearly did). He even quotes abuse's push in his push. What is zen doing!? This is such a blatant lie and super scummy. Again, zen is scum. Now, during this entire push zen stays absolutely non-committed in his read. In the end zen only "Finger of Suspicion"s him, which honestly translates to "I will join this wagon if it takes off, lol" for me. If zen is not at all confident in his read, why is he making a push? Again, zen wants to fetch town points here but at the same time does not want to get any shit if he flips town. It feels like zen is making the push here so he doesn't get pinged out for inactivity, which mafia is terrified of. The above reasons are why I am voting for zen and I'm expecting town to vote with me. Let's fucking hit scum d1. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man | ||
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But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm. Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:03 Breshke wrote: ff i'm actually not lumping both of you together in my mind if one of you turns out to be scum I highly doubt the other is as your play has been too similar to begin the day both opposing the push on loaf and not really pushing on anyone else. Having played with eachother before maybe scum ff thinks playing similar to town superbia will make him read you as town and vice versa. This isnt a 100% thing though just something i thought i'd share. Bresh check my post and then vote zen. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote: still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm. So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:26 Fecalfeast wrote: What is with this post? Of all the things, you're call me a donkey for helping your case but being indecisive on a vote... It was directed at loaf. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote: your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself. Why is he lying? Why is he rushing to make a push? Do you feel that the general mindset behind his post came from a townie perspective. Again, please stop being vague about this. I've explained the scum-rationale behind it. If you have any additional questions please feel free to ask, but if you don't agree with it you need to be specific. Do you feel like I'm lying about it coming from a scummy perspective? Are all the points I brought up not relevant and scummy? Also want to point out that there is relatively little heat on me, and I don't get pressured into anything as either alignment. | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote: Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply? I am currently quite certain of my case. Also pressure helps. Have you read my case? What do you think? Any reason why you're not voting on zen that you can directly relate to my case? | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:59 loafery wrote: i beg to differ there has been several ppl calling you out for just staying in the background letting others do the work. for the answers you're looking for we have to wait for zen to reply. Don't you think mafia would just say that they agree with abuse or just stay quiet rather than just make a massive post. Mafia generally doesn't hide like that. If you're not proactive you will get called out. | ||
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On October 08 2014 11:06 loafery wrote: yes you weren't proactive before anyone called you out. Then you make this claim on zen and immediately vote him as scum while not even waiting for his response. A bit too quick to rush into thing imo. Mafia hides. Gets called out. Makes claim with an arbitrary post on reasons I can't agree with. So scummy. I was fine with how the day was going, which I had exclaimed at multiple points in time. I wanted to get as much information as possible (partially by virtue of votes on you). When I felt like town was stagnating I decided to analyze said information. I'm never directly interested in the first wagon, it generally never hits. You really need to re-evaluate me if you're town. Start off by taking my case seriously. | ||
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