TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition

On September 08 2014 23:06 GlowingBear wrote:


Took a quick glance into the future and saw you playing this game as town

On September 11 2014 15:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Any chance we'll ever have another PM game on TL?

On September 13 2014 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you have read games/guides and have an idea how the game works you can jump into normal games straight away as Hapa said. My first game i played was a themed ~25 player game and it was way more fun than the newbie games which i found out really slow and boring.

On September 14 2014 02:27 Koshi wrote:
When does this start? I could send around 150PMs if you really want to fill it up.

On September 09 2014 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi needs to start campaigning.

On September 15 2014 07:36 Palmar wrote:
I don't even know what team I'm on

On September 15 2014 08:58 HaruRH wrote:


Wait VE... you listed 3 scenarios when there is only 2 faction?

"Be my other wingman style scumhunting partner of destiny" implies ???
"Are you going to be scum and hang by the neck" implies scum
"Or are you going to be town and just be a giant pain in my ass to deal with" implies town

So what are you?

On September 15 2014 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:


Are you Sherlock Holmes?

On September 15 2014 09:44 HaruRH wrote:


OR ARE YOU GOING INTO THE LIGANDS STUFF

[Li(OH(H2O)3)] and shit

Please don't

On September 15 2014 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
can we talk about rocks instead of chemicals? I am a dwarf, not a scientist.

On September 15 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:

Regardless of my suspicions I accept the definition of rock star.

On September 16 2014 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
But I have a very good record of only killing VE when he is mafia, so... meh.

On September 15 2014 15:48 Chairman Ray wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching Fecalfeast, totally getting the mafia vibes from him.

Holyflare's Wandering civilian claim is interesting. There is no mafia tracker in this game, so there's no point faking the claim as town role. Which means he's either Wandering civilian, or mafia role. Wouldn't be a bad cop check, hoping that we do have a cop and mafia doesn't have a framer.

On September 16 2014 00:48 Koshi wrote:
Robik gained +1 scumpoint for making useless aggressive posts while also being sorry for not reading the thread when he could be reading the thread.

Robik is currently on 2 scumpoints.

On September 16 2014 01:06 IAmRobik wrote:
I just read Koshi's long post analyzing some paranoid gun owner role. I don't know what that role does or anything, but I'm not sure how I feel about Koshi just talking about people claiming nonstop, and I don't know why he's saying he knows that MM and some other dude are town. I think I read the other dude explaining why he claimed, but I don't know what he claimed, so whatever. I guess that maens that MM calimed too? Meh

On September 16 2014 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote:

YES ROBIK YES!!

THANK YOU! EVIDENCE YOU'RE READING!

I assume the MM thing is about MM being banned, and the Superbia thing being about the fact that he /outted the game yet is still in the game, applying some Host WIFOM that BH wouldn't make THAT dude scum.

On September 16 2014 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like rayn's read is all "HE SHOULD KNOW I'M TOWN AARRGGHH" and while I employ that sort of read occasionally, I don't really like it coming from rayn. Outside of that there's just this policy lynch thing and I think that leans town.

On September 16 2014 03:49 Hopeless1der wrote:

jat you wanna expand on this? or where you stand on your catchup?

On September 16 2014 03:51 marvellosity wrote:

when did I kill VE when he was town?

On September 16 2014 01:25 IAmRobik wrote:

Your analysis of the situation is wrong. I haven't read it, but based off of the description, I think he's just saying shit to say it and I don't think he's the type of person who wouldn't want to p-lynch someone. I think he said it thinking it would sound townie, but it's scummy coming from him.

##unvote
##vote: plammmmmmmmmmmar

Like, if me unvoting cava doesn't prove that I'm town, then nothing I will ever do will be good enough

On September 16 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

ehh.. he gave some random scum/town points to random people.
I disagree with almost all of them.... They were bad, based on bad reasons.

On September 16 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Koshi not happy.

On September 16 2014 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Also robik aggro is very orderesque but wait and see

On September 16 2014 02:34 IAmRobik wrote:

ummm. cause i want to scream it from the highest mountains that i think that rayn is town and i'm in love with him stronger than any love i've ever been in

please marry me. it's legal where i live now!

On September 16 2014 03:57 marvellosity wrote:

you think incorrectly.

And if town lynched him, I wasn't a part of it.

On September 16 2014 04:16 IAmRobik wrote:

http://imgur.com/xvTInMm

lol

On September 16 2014 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:

I just meant that I don't like his reasoning - it's what I consider to be bad reasoning coming from rayn.

On September 16 2014 04:17 justanothertownie wrote:

Problem? Guilty is still missing there btw. ^_^

On September 16 2014 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:

I wasn't saying he was scum for it - I was saying that I don't think the things he said make Palmar mafia make Palmar mafia. That's all I was saying.

On September 16 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:

You were town in guilty, weren't you?

And comparing my scum game to guilty is silly. I literally couldn't play that game cause I was so busy and tired. Terrible decision to "play" that game. I'm playing nothing like how I played that game. It's kinda sorta maybe similar to order, but 1) i'm town here, so that's a disparity between the two games, and 2) i had mocsta in that game to help. I couldn't even imagine keeping up that sexiness by myself.

On September 16 2014 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm not constantly claiming town in this game. I've said it a bunch, but i've actually contributed this game. All i did that game was say i'm town and did NOTHING else.

On September 16 2014 04:24 IAmRobik wrote:
IF I'M MAFIA, DO I REALLY CARE ENOUGH ABOUT GOING TO VERIFY THAT YOU'VE BEEN TOWN IN EVERY SINGLE GAME EVER UNTIL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP 3? Why the fuck would I give 2 shits?

Also, when I said heavyweight champ in his town games, I meant #2.

On September 16 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:

Cause I wouldn't care enough? It doesn't do anything. It really doesn't. But as scum, I don't think I'd give 2 shits

On September 16 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote:

I don't remember Order well. That game was really hard for me to play because I was in California for a nice chunk of it. I don't really remember giving early town reads to you and rayn in guilty. If I did, then I did, but I don't remember. Like, I'm just sitting here playing the game as it's happening and giving town reads and scum reads as I get them. I think it's better for me to give my reads than to sit and not do anything. I think you'd agree with that sentiment.

If you're town, which I think you probably are, I implore you to look past this preconceived bias that you currently have on me being scum, and try to figure out other scum. You're barking up the wrong tree with me

On September 16 2014 04:30 IAmRobik wrote:
I've just being really fucking honest. That doesn't make me scum

On September 16 2014 04:33 IAmRobik wrote:

But I didn't want to read it. I still don't want to read it. If someone makes me read a specific situation, I'll read it, but I have 0 desire to filterdive people unless something irks me about them (like palmar/ve) and I don't wanna read the entire thread from start to finish right now either.

On September 16 2014 04:32 IAmRobik wrote:

Recap of my reads:

Koshi town
Rayn town
me town
you probably town, but i've never seen your scum game
one mafia out of ve/plammmmar based off of interactions and whatnot. they're not both scum. Very small% chance they're both town.
Kush is probably town from that one post whereh e calls everyone on pg 21 town. That's such a weird post for mafia to me
Fecal matter might be scum for the way he approached the me/cava situation. If that's the case, then cava probably town

I know a lot of these are associative reads, but it's what I've seen this game.

On September 16 2014 04:38 IAmRobik wrote:

So like, if I'm around at the start of the game, I'll read the game all the way through. I get really complacent when I join later. Plus, it was kinda obvious that I was gonna vote for cava to start the game. That's all i did, and then came back this morning when I got to work and there were 25 pages. Meh. I'll most likely catch up at some point. Especialyl after flips. Those things are mega important.

On September 16 2014 04:36 marvellosity wrote:

mmhmm

On September 16 2014 04:41 IAmRobik wrote:

I could be wrong on fecal. It's just the impression I got from his few posts. The rockstar post bothered me.
You don't have to agree on kush. Again, it's the impression I got from that post. I could be wrong on him. He does generally post more as town. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt based off of that post alone though. At least for now.
VE/Palmar are really really connected. They can NEVER be mafia together.
----palmar:
his p-lynch contradiction is awkward.
his post count is un-town palmar like
i think he was just trying to sound townie in his few posts. Thinking what a townie would say
-----VE:
he voted me based off of someone else voting me, after defending me
he told me he wasn't voting me for not participating and that's what he was doing
he started saying that palmar might be town in a really awkward spot. it seemed like he was skirting responsibiltiy

That's where I'm at on those people.

On September 16 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT do you seriously think Robert is mafia?

On September 16 2014 04:50 IAmRobik wrote:

I said that there's a small % chance they're both town. I think it's likely there's exactly 1 mafia between the two

On September 16 2014 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is right that's not how mafia defends mafia.
Why did you post random townreads -- or rather defences -- on some random people noone is even voting for?

On September 16 2014 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you are right.
question was to jat.

On September 16 2014 04:56 IAmRobik wrote:


So, if plammmar is mafia, VE is town because he wouldn't try to defend plammmar the way he's pseudo defending him while voting him.

If VE is mafia, then Plammmar is town because VE wouldn't say the wishy washy bullshit "well maybe plammmar is town" thing while voting him.

Like they cannot be scum together.


Next: I explained why plammmar is scum
Next: I explained VE why could be scum

VEs day is TERRIBLE, but it's not good from any perspective. I think VE's scumminess rises if plammmar is town. But if Plammar is scum, I'm willing to overlook anything that VE has done thus far.

On September 16 2014 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because it does not help anyone find mafia.

On September 16 2014 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
VE blates town.

On September 16 2014 05:03 IAmRobik wrote:

marv's play 100% uninspiring

On September 16 2014 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not talking about giving reads. I am talking about defending people for no apparent reason and not calling the interactions scummy from any side. I am especially talking about the conversation that went like this:

rayn: I think Koshi could be scum because XYZ.
marv: nah it doesn't make Koshi mafia
rayn: explain please
marv: no, unless you wanna lynch him
rayn: okay, i really don't
JAT: i can see where rayn is coming from but it does not make Koshi mafia

Like what teh fuck is the point of summing up the conversation that i just had with marv? What does it matter if JAT agrees with whatever side of the conversation if he does not even think it makes any of me, Koshi or marv mafia? Note that it does not really make any of us town either based on what he said.

The whole comment is completely worthless and there is absolutely zero reason to post it in the first place.

On September 16 2014 05:03 marvellosity wrote:

i'm saying it because he's blates town

On September 16 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The difference is you gave a TOWNREAD on Koshi.
JAT didn't. He didn't say "do not do this Koshi is town".
"that doesn't make him scum" != "he is town"

On September 16 2014 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

since when do you not read the thread properly?

On September 16 2014 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because you are commenting directly on something you should not be commenting on in the first place in case you have not read the conversation properly. Which you apparently haven't. Because the conversation regarding Koshi ends right where i say i do not want to lynch him.

On September 16 2014 05:17 marvellosity wrote:
yeah jat never gets a townread off me in any game ever in the universe ever.

On September 16 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

We should probably lynch him every game until he gets out of his paranoia and actually is capable of calling us town.
Would help reading him.

On September 16 2014 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
#vote Palmar

Basically just claimed mafia in thread, good enough for me.

On September 16 2014 05:23 marvellosity wrote:

because i dunno how to catch you

On September 16 2014 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

How about you read this game?

On September 16 2014 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wait how can you like me calling Koshi mafia for reasons that in your opinion do not make him mafia?

On September 16 2014 05:34 Hopeless1der wrote:

Wow. That was such a productive tangent. Thank you for that.

On September 16 2014 05:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


as town he "tries" or at least puts forth some effort

as mafia he gg's out and dota's

Note this is all from my own experience with him

On September 16 2014 05:46 IAmRobik wrote:
He won't fight it in either alignment JAT

On September 16 2014 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I haven't read anyone else because i am lynching Palmar as he is mafia.
I am more interested in reading marv/JAT/Koshi than any of those in the list today.

On September 16 2014 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

more fun.

On September 16 2014 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

When i stopped having infinite amount of time to use to the game.

On August 23 2014 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos: The difference between JAT town and scumplay is like a day and night.

On September 16 2014 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. I just do not think you have said anything of your usual smart stuff in this game.

On September 16 2014 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh god wtf does that make you?!?!

On September 16 2014 06:50 rightinthefeels wrote:

i might have to die but im not mafia

On September 16 2014 06:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Who's smurf is rightinthefeels?

On September 16 2014 07:01 marvellosity wrote:

thrown

toblerown

On September 16 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Oh you saw it that way. Then it makes sense.
But well yes, he is quite obviously town.

tbh my problem of reading you is that i cannot get a good read on you because you are paranoid about me in every single game you are town. It is impossible for me to read someone who is like that (like i usually read people) because when you say you are not sure if i am town or not i can't tell if you are faking it. Like you can basically have whatever read on me you like and i can't tell anything about it.

Therefore i have to read you based on your reads & stuff you say on other people and so far i don't like it. I don't like your read on Robert (which is afaik the only scumread i recall you having). I don't like your read on Koshi and i don't like you acting cocky towards marv (yes -- that's exactly what you did in your scumgame, correct me if i am wrong but i do not recall you doing that in your past towngames). I also don't like the fact you -- instead of doing the usual questioning thingy you do at the start of the game -- you started the game (after the trolling pahse that was boring) with giving some random defences (that weren't really reads at all) on some people who were not even under any pressure.

I don't see you wanting to really take part into any discussion someone else brings up.

Those things bother me. Usually you talk alot, especially with me, about things i bring up. Now you for some reason don't.

On September 16 2014 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. Why do you read Koshi town? And what's your read on batsnacks adn marv?

On September 16 2014 07:17 Koshi wrote:
+1 scumpoint to JAT. Now I have to sleep.

On September 16 2014 07:21 marvellosity wrote:
a quick cum & go?

On September 16 2014 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not really i ahve almost figured out every mafia.

On September 16 2014 23:39 IAmRobik wrote:
This is actually really true. I was thinking he'd pick up the posting, but fuck it.



1) he literally said the same exact thing in order about vigi should shoot him (as scum)
2) he was afk as fuck in basically every scum game ever and has been really really visible in every town game ever

##unvote
##vote rightinthefeels

On September 16 2014 19:10 Palmar wrote:
As a side note, making an appearance here is JAT, who randomly asked that question and made no attempt to follow up on it or explain why he was asking it and what it would help him understand. In fact, I skimmed (very quickly...) his filter and he actually looks like he's casually commenting on a lot of things, and all his posts look really short and lacking in explanations.

Idk, maybe JAT is scum this game?

On September 16 2014 23:47 IAmRobik wrote:

Mafia:
Storm: 3 days - 6 pages
Order: 2 days - 6 pages
Yuma: 1 day - 4 pages
Dr Who: 3 days - 8 pages
Default Suspicions: 4 days - 7 pages

Town:
Heavyweight 3: 1 day - 11 pages
World Cup: 3 days - 15 pages
Restart: 2 days - 10 pages


Yeah, you have some town games with a tad less participation as well. So maybe it's not a guarantee that you're scum, but you've never had a super visible scum game, thus this game is more indicative of your mafia play than your town play

On September 17 2014 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
we should kill Poofter in case kush is somehow legit busy.

Those are the 2 i'd kill today though.

On September 17 2014 00:04 marvellosity wrote:

because kush was smurfing which suggests a reason to smurf at least.

poofter is all like "I'm reading this shit" and then not.

On September 17 2014 00:07 marvellosity wrote:

yes I remember. it's a shit comparison.

On September 17 2014 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
did he have 4 posts with 6h to EOD?

On September 17 2014 00:10 marvellosity wrote:

why don't you check.

On September 17 2014 00:12 marvellosity wrote:
I do know such things, I want you to do the work anyway.

On September 17 2014 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
well then.

as i said, the comparison was awful.

On September 17 2014 00:15 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote rightinthefeels

cuz the points don't lie.

On September 17 2014 00:16 Koshi wrote:

This JAT is so angry. Third time you are so mean. And I only glanced over your filter.

On September 17 2014 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
jat is always snippy.

it's part of his enduring charm.

On September 17 2014 00:17 Koshi wrote:

Dafuq for a retarded question is this?

On September 17 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
Koshi hates me confirmed, ok just woke up catching up but just from first glance. Palmar is more of a coin flip now, probably just a mislynch atm or feels like one to me.

I think I'd rather kill kush today over poof probably. I'm not sure if I've seen him so inactive as town before I have seen poof this inactive as town.

On September 17 2014 00:25 Damdred wrote:
Have should be haven't phone autocorrect got me, but he's been close like in Arnie got a gun but not at this level. Also he's super capable of being active scum look at mission mafia

On September 17 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
Koshi hates me confirmed, ok just woke up catching up but just from first glance. Palmar is more of a coin flip now, probably just a mislynch atm or feels like one to me.

I think I'd rather kill kush today over poof probably. I'm not sure if I've seen him so inactive as town before I have seen poof this inactive as town.

On September 17 2014 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
A Fire Upon the Deep Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 - had like 1.5 page d1 filter. But no one tried that game
TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 Third Party Assassin Survived Day 1 - he was 3p (meh) but had 0 posts
Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets Town Vanilla Survived Night 2 - he got carried so hard by bunnies and just came in at the last seconds to prevent a lynch on himself as town.

Do I win a prize for getting it right and damdred getting it wrong?

On September 17 2014 00:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am a little sheep in a sea of other sheep

Let's lynch poof, feels like the best choice currently with marv and koshi on him already.

##unvote
##Vote: tehpoofter

On September 17 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok? My post changes a little bit not much I'd still rather lynch kush...sine you know he's a high volume poster normally. So what I haven't seen poof this inactive before it was one part of a sentence that got aitocorrected

if you want to vote me do so

On September 17 2014 00:40 ShiaoPi wrote:
btw I measure activity not necessarily on pages in the filter so whatever keep coming

@jat: him claimfishing had solid reasons behind it, why should I question it?

On September 17 2014 00:43 Damdred wrote:


ok so you disagree with my conclusion? Poof would be nothing but lynching someone who isn't playing atm.

Also you never even tries to find out exactly what I meant or thought process, all you did was paint it scummy and alluded to lynching me. Your whole filter is pointless with vague notions and questions and not many conclusions while shitting on almost everyone you talk to. I'd lynch you before poof probably

On September 17 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
I think I'd rather kill kush today over poof probably. I'm not sure if I've seen him so inactive as town before I have seen poof this inactive as town.

On September 17 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
I think I'd rather kill kush today over poof probably. I'm not sure if I've seen him so inactive as town before I haven't seen poof this inactive as town.

On September 17 2014 00:49 Damdred wrote:
Rayn talk to me bud. Is even the stuff palmar did today enough to still call him mafia?

@jat now why don't you be useful and try to push something this thread

On September 17 2014 00:51 yamato77 wrote:

Because it's not amazing, and no one trusts you.

On September 17 2014 00:53 Damdred wrote:


You are being useless this whole thread asking questions little to no follow up. AND when I said something you do not understand you just say lol scum and vote? You are being lazy at best. And you aren't really pushing I had to make you vote me, and you aren't even trying to make a case so gl

On September 17 2014 00:55 Damdred wrote:
Oooook hat if that makes you feel better good job you made a great case without trying to understand what I was trying to say good indeed.

On September 17 2014 01:01 rightinthefeels wrote:
@jat
i don't see how damdred's autocorrect thing is necessarily scummy.
Are you saying he is lying about it autocorrecting? I'm confused with what you are saying happened.

On September 17 2014 01:04 Palmar wrote:

I don't care what you've done in other games. It's in no way relevant to what you do this game. Also, I never read any of your posts.

Did he actually answer? Because I'm not sure he did, at least not in a way that you should have understood... I think.

On September 17 2014 01:07 rightinthefeels wrote:


I don't think you've addressed JAT's point here. How does this make sense for reasoning if you haven't seen poof inactive as town?

On September 17 2014 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
The thing with Damdred is, I feel like the couple of times he's been caught as mafia it's been because of TMI (hard defending a townie on nebulous reasons, bussing a partner too convincingly)

I don't get that feeling here.

Do you?

On September 17 2014 01:09 marvellosity wrote:
he has answered it now.

On September 17 2014 01:11 Palmar wrote:

Maybe, I guess I haven't seen you two operate as different alignments.

My feeling on rayn is that he gets less personal when he's mafia. More generally angry and bitching instead of bitching at someone in particular.

On September 17 2014 01:11 marvellosity wrote:

why would you care if your scumsuspect isn't displaying his usual scumtell?

are you for realsies?

On September 17 2014 01:13 rightinthefeels wrote:


has he?
I don't have a problem with his opinions. He said there was an autocorrect typo, but the sentence he is claiming to have meant to write makes no sense. And the sentence with the typo makes sense.
So that makes his autocorrect claim look like a lie. Not sure why he would lie about that but his current evasiveness and lack of clarity scare me.

On September 17 2014 01:15 marvellosity wrote:

no you don't need flips, you just need evidence of misplaced decisiveness.

On September 17 2014 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
town damdred ballsed up, just like mafia damdred might balls up.

On September 17 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:

he didn't think through what he wrote, he wrote something wrong, whatever. his subsequent explanations at least make sense even if the information is wrong. and if you think damdred is mafia it makes it quite likely he was protecting poof, so we can just kill poof

On September 17 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote:
add yamato to townbros, he posted so I clicked his filter and it looks sexy as hell.

On September 17 2014 01:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

wat

On September 17 2014 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
it's not a heuristic. it's an observation about how kush presents his reads.

On September 17 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
good -fucking-bye, see you all when you have lynched Palmar the mafia.
other mafia are:
Haru - because he didn't question me about the read i gave on someone he was voting on
kush - because doesn't read
One of marv and JAT the other one is just being an idiot. If you are both this dumb and ignorant then my bad.. and yours.
The Suberbia smurf dude because he promised to play and does not play or someone i do not know.

On September 17 2014 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote:

Seems like the bolded applies to more than the people you've listed here. Take it easy rayn.

On September 17 2014 01:41 IAmRobik wrote:
For the record: I'm totally ok with people ignoring me and not remembering me and not talking about me and not lynching me all game.




Random note: People call me scum basically every game, and then I react the same way every game and then people bitch about my reaction every game. Am I the bad one or are you guys bad for doing the same thing over and over again to make the game miserable for yourselves

On September 17 2014 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote:



Seriously?

On September 17 2014 03:18 HaruRH wrote:

ah i didnt read that.
you can still stack a rb and a cop check on me tonight just so i can prove we are real masons.

On September 17 2014 03:38 IAmRobik wrote:
I dunno, but people doing that are dumb

On September 17 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:


Negative we are not masoned together, I just do not think their is a lot of scummy things in batsnacks filter. And i do not know if hes blue I just gave a meta analysis on games i've played with him. I just do not think hes scum at the moment.

I do not know your alignment koshi but you have rode me pretty hard about filter, and keep giving me scum points.

Koshi when is the best time for a mislynch if you think you will have one or more?

On September 17 2014 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote:

but i thought damdred as so scum?

On September 17 2014 03:43 Koshi wrote:

Because I can't get 13 people to vote him. It's basic fucking math.

On September 17 2014 03:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Tryy. Convince meh. Ill look through his filter as I get time.

On September 17 2014 03:54 Damdred wrote:
JAT, question do you legit not like me in general or just not like me this game?

On September 17 2014 03:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why not batsnacks? UUUGGHHHHHHHH

On September 17 2014 03:57 Damdred wrote:


Koshi said you didn't like me and it bothered me for a second or two made me a sad panda.

Ok on a real talk note you shouldn't lynch me today or tommorow but should probably vig me night 2 or tell the vig to do so. I'm not the guy you want to take towards end game because scum won't kill me and cops shouldn't check me either

On September 17 2014 04:00 Damdred wrote:


At this point I don't think anything I do would convince you that i am town. I do need the cops not to check me tonight though tis a waste of a check and it will come back red, you have drawn enough attention to me that its really possible i'll get checked.

On September 17 2014 04:05 Koshi wrote:

+1 townpoint.

self-aware miller claims in his first post imo. Or crumbs it hard in his first post.

On September 17 2014 04:07 IAmRobik wrote:

I hope the last part was a joke.

On September 17 2014 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
We have a cop miller and a watcher/tracker miller claimed. Everyone stop for a minute.

On September 17 2014 04:09 IAmRobik wrote:



Why claim it as scum... hmmm....


Are you serious? Every mafia will just claim miller and not get lynched ever and not be cop checked and if they do "welp, I am miller so lawl"

How do you not think there's a benefit to claiming miller as scum?

On September 17 2014 04:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't think it matters either way. Neither scum nor miller would want to be checked, thus making this point null.

On September 17 2014 04:12 IAmRobik wrote:

Yeah, but mafia is never gonna night kill him if he's real, and he's never gonna get nk'd if he's mafia, so like....free 6 day pass? I'll take that all day

On September 17 2014 04:12 IAmRobik wrote:

Why is he confirmed town for claiming miller but i'm not confirmed town for claiming VT?

On September 17 2014 04:15 IAmRobik wrote:

He wasn't scummy until he claimed lol
He basically gets a 5 day pass for the claim

On September 17 2014 04:16 IAmRobik wrote:

Why would i be upset about the claim? I WAS TOWNREADING HIM BEFORE THE CLAIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On September 17 2014 04:18 Koshi wrote:

That would be only JAT. For being a natural asshole you are really bad at pointing fingers when you can.

On September 17 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:

The raging is about the dumbdumb happening in the thread and people not using their brains and making statements that are incorrect

On September 17 2014 04:24 marvellosity wrote:

unless you can see a flip, then you best be taking those back, bitch.

On September 17 2014 04:28 marvellosity wrote:
People will need to consolidate even if they don't massively like the targets

choose 1-2 and consolidate.

On September 17 2014 04:42 Lord Tolkien wrote:
These d1 claims. Ppl pls my body isnt ready

Dred...eh. wasnt feeling it before the claim (just looks like a mistake as opposed to some slip).

On September 17 2014 04:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Kush hasn't been playing. Kush is a plynch at this point and nothing more. I can get behind lynching kush if I find a reason not to lynch Damdred, but I don't think this claim is the reason.

I thought we went over the possibility of a counterclaim. Did I miss something?

On September 17 2014 04:48 batsnacks wrote:


Why yell at me to change my vote? Why didn't you yell at him? He is -also- solo voting. He even did it before me.

On September 17 2014 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

fuck you you are not even trying to interact with me which makes you probably mafia.

On September 17 2014 04:55 Lord Tolkien wrote:

You understand -chan is a diminuitive honorific expressing cuteness and used for young girls or children.

The honorific you're looking for is -sama or -san.

Just to confirm thats the kush smurf?

On September 17 2014 04:57 batsnacks wrote:
Chill out jat you're harshing my buzz.

On September 17 2014 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no. and you either vote for palmar or you are mafia.
marv is scum.

On September 17 2014 05:07 marvellosity wrote:

that's because he is terrible

On September 17 2014 05:13 Palmar wrote:
JAT is looking slightly less scum tbh

On September 17 2014 05:14 marvellosity wrote:
what is it with newbies with potential coming into normal games like they've just had a lobotomy?

On September 17 2014 05:19 Koshi wrote:
So marv are you going to tell us why Kush is scum?

On September 17 2014 05:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
yep. good news, batsnacks can count. gj batsnacks you reached a majority.

On September 17 2014 05:45 Hopeless1der wrote:

wait so palmar can learn to put self preservation above personal beliefs? Not sure I buy this...

On September 17 2014 05:47 Palmar wrote:

Who says I don't?

On September 17 2014 05:48 Hopeless1der wrote:

basically what marv is arguing with palmar about. In palmar's world view, millers ALWAYS 100% get the lynch.

On September 17 2014 05:50 Hopeless1der wrote:

and THIS game...Palmar just doesnt care to lynch the miller claim? ergo people are up in arms about it.

On October 18 2013 20:47 Palmar wrote:
Reposting for format.



No, I would never say anything dumb like that.

Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored.

A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists.

We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town.

As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop.

This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21).

So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play?

##Vote Mocsta