Guilty Mini Mafia

On August 22 2014 03:53 Hapahauli wrote:


What... am I fun to lynch or something? >>

On August 22 2014 05:14 Damdred wrote:


I predict you won't trust me and will try to lynch me

On August 22 2014 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos is it a 4am or 3am start?
TL can't get my timezones correct.
What timezone i should use to avoid DST shit?

I mean, if i use any GMT+3 it will give me current time 02:blabal.
If i use GMT+2 it will give me 00:blabla

fuck this shit.

On August 22 2014 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Lol i love how xat always says I'm scummy

On August 22 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

People playing that game are awful.
Not in this game. Not in this game.

On August 22 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I saw it is it okay if i take a better look at it on Sunday?
Or hurry?

On August 22 2014 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure Xatalos is mafia.

On July 24 2014 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
unvote
vote: Xatalos
ezgame

On August 22 2014 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it i am gonna be awake until role PM because i can(not).

On August 22 2014 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh it WAS Wave. Wave explain the question you asked. Why?

Glowingbear explain why you answered the question when you do not even think KSC is necessarily mafia?

On August 22 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you somehow know i did not fell asleep a half an hour before the game start? How do you know this?
You can't call my reads forced when you do not know what my reads are even based on.

On August 22 2014 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes Kelsier is almost definitely town.
when Hapa posts i am expecting him to tell everyone why i am voting for Wave.
I gotta get back to work now. brb in ~5h.

On August 22 2014 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Two things:

First. If i am town and awake i do post. If i am mafia and awake i do post. If i am town and asleep i can't post. If i am mafia and asleep i can't post. I have never in my life intentionally lurked as mafia (i do that as town though for reasons) except for in Noir when Mocsta fakeclaimed medic as town to get the real medic lynched and i was having in scum QT with Pandain.
You should know that.

Second. I have a tendency to not explain my reads fully because i want to encourage other people to think and find the reasons by themsleves. Because it helps me getting a better read on them and that's how i play - and have always played.
You should know that.

So yes, your first post had absolutely no thought behind it, even though you SHOULD know these things and pay more attention to what i say and try to figure out why i say the stuff i do. You didn't, and that makes me think you are mafia.

On August 22 2014 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:

Why? Wave was being all casual and shit but he said very little game relevant things. And there are things like this:

Why even ask this? Wave is perfectly able to use the database I am pretty sure.

On August 22 2014 20:27 IAmRobik wrote:

He got right down to business. He didn't make a retarded intro post that he would make as mafia. He didn't even bother putting a smile in it. He also did the rayn town thing where he said a read and then asked someone specific to explain it for him. When rayn is mafia, I feel like he forces reads onto people, meaning that he wants people to see what he is seeing so he yells at people about why someone is scum whereas when he's town he lets people make conclusions and then reads them based off of whether their conclusion is logical. I guess we'll see where the thing with hapa goes.

I've been notoriously bad at reading rayn these past 2 games though, so my word on his aligned shouldn't hold the weight it used too. Lately I've been a bit more reticent about giving out strong reads because I haven't been at the top of my game, but sometimes I just can't help myself. It's in my blood

On August 22 2014 20:18 justanothertownie wrote:

I have trouble buying that you really believe what you are saying here.

On August 22 2014 20:23 KelsierSC wrote:
I like Just as town, seems to share the same reads as me and I think he has pointed out flaws with Xatalos's post which I agreed with.
Yamato seems town so far, I like the way he is posting it seems genuine and relaxed, he shared the read as me on WoS but wasn't totally leaping on a bw.
Rayn feels town to me, his interaction with yamato felt town and his aggression with regards to Xatalos was town.

I don't like Xatalos so far.
Firstly his initial ranking system feels weird to me and doesn't line up with my reads. Like he said Wos was responding casual/towny and being natural..if that is what you call spamming gifs and shit posts then ok I dont read that as town at all.

Secondly his read on dama being mafia and then voting, I mean dama isn't my top town but he has still played in a town oritentated way. I think there are more important people to look at.

I also don't like his read on rayn, like he gets -1 point because he didn't post whilst he was asleep like how does this system work where WoS gets 4 points but rayn is on -1 for not being awake.


Xatalos I want to ask you, what do you think of the line of questioning that WoS went with. Specifically his asking everyone to give a scum, and asking GB to give a yamato read

On August 22 2014 20:57 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah? To me it looked like you called him scum for that.
Wave was scum in the championship game that finished recently if you want to take a look. The scum qt is also worth a skim in that regard.

On August 22 2014 21:29 IAmRobik wrote:
It was most certainly forced. You have this weird unfounded hardon for GB as town 2 seconds into the game and it's completely unfounded and unwarranted. I don't even care about the WOs read as much as the GB one. Pretty sure your saying the GB thing because you know he's town and the only way you know that is if you're mafia

On August 22 2014 21:30 GlowingBear wrote:
A summary if what's being happening, of course.

Xatalos, why are you repeating what people are saying?

On August 22 2014 21:38 justanothertownie wrote:

You repeated that it was useless. You also kinda repeated rayn when you said there has to be scum in the people who hadn't posted.

On August 22 2014 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:

Like when you already give high points to your mafia partner before writing things about players?

On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.

I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.

Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?

I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.

You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read

On August 22 2014 22:02 justanothertownie wrote:

This is so bad...

On August 22 2014 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

Which is absolutely fucking retarded, by the way. If Xat and I were both scum I can say with absolute certainty there is NO WAY IN HELL I would let him call me top town based on essentially nothing. Hell I don't think Xat would even be so bad as to try that on his own either. Scum NEVER give each other massive townreads like that. It's completely unheard of.

Kinda curious as to why you'd think Xat and I are both scum GB. Is it because we are the only people even slightly under the gun right now and you need to feel useful?

On August 22 2014 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if there is nothing scummy why are you concerned about him?

On August 22 2014 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...it's pre-flip association and /slapwrists NO BAD TERRIBLE
but still
It don't fit.

Xat, why are people calling you scummy right now?

On August 22 2014 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, I think we caught you trying to fabricate a read out of nothing.

On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia?

On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more.

On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore.
I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.

Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly.

If that does not happen then my read might change.

On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:


If this is the post you responded to me on ok,

I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game.

re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter.

And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though.

On August 22 2014 23:49 Damdred wrote:


Actually Xat everything I posted about besides the awkward re-entry was early in the thread and I had to re-read the filter to get to that point.

On August 22 2014 23:47 GlowingBear wrote:


I want to punch you in the fucking face for saying something like that. I said this was a busy day for me. I even bolded it so you wouldn't skip that motherfucking post.

On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So far were doing good.
We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town.
Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.

I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly.
Is there anyone who thinks they are town?

On August 23 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote:


He knows the game is going on, post a shitty poem then perma lurks. I need him posting right now.

Robik, if you think I'm faking emotions, you should watch Mexican soap operas so you can understand the difference.

On August 23 2014 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT: Xatalos looks like he is trying to figure out the game. He can bus as mafia, he most likely would if he was mafia. He is also way more "certain" about stuff as scum. I am not strongly townreading him and in case he is scum he will either fuck up at the EOD1 or bus. Both are good.

Xatalos: The difference between JAT town and scumplay is like a day and night. Don't care to elaborate more on this at least yet. I do not understand why would you scumread him? Him not making a big case and voting at this point of the game does not make him mafia. In fact i think it makes him more likely to be town.

On August 23 2014 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:

If what I do is discrediting - why did you back down from all the reads I critisized you for? Also I DID call you scum several times already.

On August 23 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I thought i was scum because i was not being helpful? Or rather.. that could be a scumtell for me.
Am i still not helpful? You agree with me on most of the stuff and i have explained everything except for why i originally scumread Wave.

What's this Xatalos?

On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But i have explained every singe thing i have said in this game.. As it READS IN MY FUCKING POST!

On August 23 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I didn't even fucking play in that game because i was in Helsinki and therefore afk all the time...

On August 23 2014 01:20 Damdred wrote:


Jat in his scum game was honestly useless, he only showed up to post things that somewhat made sense and he disappeared for long points of time and nobody called him on it he was just allowed to exist. Instead of doing that here, he is much more actively involved in the goings on of the day and is pressuring people to get their reads and not accepting at face value what they are saying but he seems to be digging to get a better understanding. I would strong town read JAT currently because of these reasons



Could you show me these one liners where he is subtly discrediting people?

On August 22 2014 20:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Great contribution bro.

Explain to me why you think damdred is town.

On August 22 2014 20:07 justanothertownie wrote:
Wave is town for sharing who he thinks he is able to read? Really?

On August 22 2014 20:18 justanothertownie wrote:

I have trouble buying that you really believe what you are saying here.

On August 23 2014 01:01 WaveofShadow wrote:

Because I don't have anything concrete. I have explained exactly what I have on people thus far. My scumreads are simply those I have found scummiest so far, I am not sold on any of them. fucking hell

On August 23 2014 02:53 KelsierSC wrote:


you think scum don't claim town?

On August 23 2014 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Which fits to you in this game.

On August 23 2014 03:28 justanothertownie wrote:

Are you still talking to me?

On August 23 2014 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:

But that is sort of true regardless of alignment.

On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:


If this is the post you responded to me on ok,

I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game.

re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter.

And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though.

On August 23 2014 01:55 Damdred wrote:


He doesn't have a scum read on me look at these posts and tell me where the read is.



This isn't really a read on me at all, this is just hey could be scum so i might as well ask

He mentioned me again when he asked me a question and not mention much of me past then until this post



Which I take it is towards me. At the time the thread was talking about downplaying myself. This is weird post another slight slow push



As far as I can tell, he says for the reasons earlier, but there have been no reasons that i've seen him post. Xat posted a gut feeling but backed off others have said i'm to apologetic but no real reasons.



Just slowly trying to get people to think hey this guy could really be scum



He says hes going to reread me again....thats fine he hasn't really analysed anything i've posted but its an effort



Little to no analysis just said I repeated stuff in the thread, which isn't necessarily true I was trying to get an updated view and was starting a discourse with xata. However the post just feels like hes trying to show i'm bad but he wont' commit to it hes waiting on someone else to jump on.


WHY WHY AM I ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE!

Wave has never shown why i'm mafia, he has never analyzed my posts beyond the simple this is bad and rehashed. Gave a limited selection of my posts and just keeps saying this guy could be scum and never commits to it. This guy is just trying to get more people to think i'm scum. There is no read on me in his posts, hes trying to get someone else to commit to it before he does therefore I am pretty sure wave is mafia going for a mislynch.

On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Buckle up boys.

##Vote Raynpelikoneet

His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn.

As for the unfocused, this is the best example:



This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that

• His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
  
• He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
  
• He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...

tl;dr
Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all.

On August 23 2014 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh actually I do want to talk about Xatalos for a bit. I pretty strongly feel he's town.

Xatalos makes super-awkward posts (like the "list-post") a lot as town, because he posts in a "stream of consciousness." What comes out isn't always coherent, and I feel a lot of the suspicion on him nitpicks these posts as opposed to understanding that he's posting the first thing that comes to his mind.

On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:

1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too)

On August 23 2014 05:12 KelsierSC wrote:


Ok here is my major problem Xatalos

Firstly you didn't really scum read rayn at all you said he was null and a lot of it was waffle about him being awake. In fact then you go on to give him a little town plug.




But then Hapa gives his read that rayn is mafia. Which you immediately jump on saying how it is "possible". Considering this is the first thing Hapa said and he has lurked all game you are ready to just flip on it. I really don't like that at all.

As far as the read Hapa gave, I disagree I think rayn is town. I am still undecided on Hapa

On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:

Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns.

On August 23 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote:

It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir.

Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game?

On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.

I'm going to give my reasons here.

1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.

2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.

3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy

4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.

5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.

So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.

##Vote Xatalos

On August 23 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for me Xatalos?

On August 23 2014 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:

Ridiculous, holy shit.

On August 23 2014 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:

No, I can't. I am not sure what side to take here yet..

On August 23 2014 07:04 KelsierSC wrote:


why was none of this in the notes you published, i think all the things you accused him of happened before you possted your notes

On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false

On August 23 2014 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
then lynch me and die on N2 Xatalos.
I am telling who is mafia. I do not care if i get lynched.
Make a fucking case and push it you fucktard.

On August 23 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:

How the hell is yamato obvtown?!

On August 23 2014 07:18 Damdred wrote:
....xata did you do what i think you did?

On August 23 2014 07:17 justanothertownie wrote:

He shows joy because Hapa defends him against rayn. He will do that regardless of alignment and apart from enforcing the push on rayn he did jackshit. I think you never saw him actually playing town.

On August 23 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:

So? Did he do anything at all in this game? No, not really.

On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.

On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.

Lol, good shit.

I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne

On August 23 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote:
xat/kels/damdred/gb all likely town

robik being robik

turtlevine is apparently confirmed to gb, so he's town

lolol ez game ez lyfe

On August 23 2014 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Nvm it felt fot a second you were soft claiming something anyway....yea tge thread atmosphere has went to crap

On August 23 2014 07:30 KelsierSC wrote:
I think Dam is town for D1 and there are better lynches.

So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that.

But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch.

On August 23 2014 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:

No reasoning given whatsoever. Robik read is not a read and townread the basically confirmed towns is not that impressive either.

On August 23 2014 07:33 KelsierSC wrote:


No not at all. He has a valid point about Dam kind of disappearing. This is why the read is accurate.

But Dam has done other towny things in this game and he is not the D1 lynch for me.

On August 23 2014 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:


Actually I think I agree with this.

##Unvote

I'm going to step back and re-evaluate. I'll need to compare how Rayn's defense stacks up to some other games, but I'm not pleased by how Yamato buddied me and fucked off.

On August 23 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Its strange to me hapa unleashed the case on rayn

1. when rayn wasn't here
2. right after he made a shoddy case on me and is taking heat

it feels like great timing to post that case right then especially knowing the way rayn is when done like that

On August 23 2014 08:25 Hapahauli wrote:


To be fair, I've done some pretty fucking stupid things as mafia. I wouldn't put it past myself to metagame myself into tunneling Rayn as mafia, but sadly I am not mafia this game =/

On August 23 2014 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just vote for me or Hapa (who is scum).
Sheep me or him. Because we are the best players in this game as yamato decided to fuck off.
If we both read each other as scum one of us is scum. And it's Hapa. Because he is too bad to be town. TOO FUCKING BAD TO BE TOWN!

On August 23 2014 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
if you are town Xatalos why are you so fucking dumb? Honest question...

On August 23 2014 08:45 Hapahauli wrote:


What post? The one about me doing stupid stuff as mafia in other games? I'd rather this discussion not go too far off the rails now.

On August 23 2014 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:


You're no fun =/

---

Anyway, Yamato

His lackluster day one has been touched on already.

However, how he responded to my case on Rayn brings some suspicious things to light. Firstly, this:


This is very out-of-character for town Yamato. He's not a player with confidence problems. On the contrary, he's usually very self-confident in his reads and opinionated (although not very active). Any lack of posting he has in his games isn't due to lack of confidence, but generally for lack of effort.

Also, when Rayn re-enters the thread, he posts this...


...and then is gone. Just gone. The guy who you're convinced is mafia is under pressure and returned to the thread. You have been excited for the last half-hour over this. And when he returns... one question and out.

On August 23 2014 09:22 KelsierSC wrote:


Why are you lying about this

I have stated many times that Rayn is town.

On August 23 2014 09:28 GlowingBear wrote:


Dropping Rayn because he is spamming is like the worst shift of opinions someone who knows Rayn could have

On August 23 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:


can you explain in this game the effort he did apart from sheep Happ's read and post random shit

On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.

On August 23 2014 09:32 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: Hapahauli

You've brought good arguments regarding Rayn being mafia, but not centr for him being mafia. You easily dropped that bit case for things Rayn does regardless alignment. I think you're scum.

On August 23 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm on a phone, so I can't link but I can give you the directions to titanic IV. You were at that game. Rayn exploded on koshi

On August 23 2014 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
## mafia, i was mafia with him so I remember that one clearly. he went crazy with spam but he was mafia.

I dont think hes mafia here at any rate, thats not how you read him. He's being unreasonable but was making sense before so looks more like town rayn.

scum rayn makes zer0 sense and then goes nuts to make the thread even more unreadable

On August 23 2014 09:49 Hapahauli wrote:


If I'm reading this correctly...
1) I brought good arguments against Rayn
2) I dropped that case too early regardless of my alignment
3) I am mafia

This does not logically follow, nor does it make you look good.

On November 04 2013 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am so fucking pissed off right now.
people call me scum. i get that.
reasons? there is notnere?+
hi kush? "rayn is scum" <- "i have a townread on him, he is so town"

Who, besides marv has a scumread on me? noone.
and marv is..., rofl.
marv, if you lynch me this game, i will make sure i devote all my games into lynching you from D1 onwards. And i actually do play all the games so... <3

step off your tunnel and think about this game. if you are non-town in this game i will make everything in my power to ACTUALLY ALWAYS LYNCH YOU EVERYTIME EVER!

On November 04 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity. if you are town you will vote for Promethelax based purely on that post.
this game is so shit and hilarious i am going to make only one post any more. rofl townie guys, seriously rofl if you can't see the obvious.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Promethelax

On August 23 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i know my posts appear as bad or scummy sometimes because i do not explain myself. That is NOT scummy. All the good players do know that because they look behind the actual words - they look at the meaning of the words. Why people say the stuff they do. I ALWAYS have an agenda for the stuff i say whether or not i explain it.

Hapa is one of the few players who is REALLY good in reading into this. He just cannot do that as mafia because idk why, he just can't. Probably because he hates being mafia. In this game he is clearly showing he is not thinking about the game and those things - even though i have, in THIS GAME, said this is EXACTLY how i play. Even if it was not clear to him before this game THIS GAME SHOULD PROVE i am telling the truth.

He is not figuring out stuff how he would as town. I do not know how to explain it better as i am bad at explaining shit.
I however promised to play my best game this game and as my alignment is town you should kill Hapa with fire because he is mafia. I will tell who the rest of the mafia team is on N1. Now we lynch Hapahauli.

On August 23 2014 01:21 turtlevine wrote:


based on this guy's attempts to pow-wow
and ideas I can't share right now
if he's scum I'd be shocked
to him I will talked
and we'll be upon this game's prow.



I don't believe this heuristic
is town rayn always a dick?
The answer is "no"
so it just goes to show
don't listen to IAmRobik



WOS is correct on this front
your typical town player's a c***,
but with effort so clean,
KSC's surely green,
so if you think he's scum go get bent.

Though I must add onto this point
this post does not to WoS annoint
he's wasted some posts
on flames spam and boasts
not what I'd expect from a vet.



Although I can see what you say
lynching KSC's the wrong play
the only good point here's 2,
and although that one's true,
his aggression and town passes are not astray

The basic mistake of a townie at first
is to put in way too much efforts
and if his ideas are crap
that's not the right strat
scum idea isn't so stupid it hurts




Is this some kind of new crumb
or am I just being dumb?
i know not the memes
of tl mafia it seems
and I wouldn't want to miss out on the fun.



Though it compromises my identity to say,
I'll share: I'm from the US of A
I'd rather stay cloaked
in the mystery evoked
by my smurf and my nice turns of phrase


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=11#210

Looking at Xat's odd numbered list list,
I'm starting to feel kind of pissed,
it's classic list post,
unhelpful at most,
made without a clear focused scum jist.

he starts with a question at dam,
and then there's an apology to him,
that vote post is bad,
though it makes my heart glad,
I think I've finally found scum.



So far I'm up to page twelve
it seems I'm moderately whelmed
I'll continue these thoughts
after I've finished a walk,
and deeper into thread I will delve!

##vote xatalos

On August 23 2014 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Nvm it felt fot a second you were soft claiming something anyway....yea tge thread atmosphere has went to crap

On August 23 2014 10:25 KelsierSC wrote:


I just don't agree with this statement at all. He only pushed rayn after Happa. Before that he had given one read on WoS. it was a pretty good read but not massively insightful and then he shut up for ages living on his town read.

He said that rayn "went after him" for a pretty reasonable question. Also notice Yam didn't have a problem with the question at the time. Just let it slide.

So he gave 2 reads, one which was an early game simple read and the other that was a sheep of a bad read like. I just don't see why you read him so hard town.

On August 23 2014 11:04 Onegu wrote:
Crap didnt realize this started already. Ill spend the day catching up. 50 pages huh... Is the smurf Marv? Alright give me a bit and ill catch up.

On August 23 2014 20:24 Onegu wrote:
We have masons? How did I get VT with scum, SK and masons and other PRs... I never roll PRs.

On August 23 2014 20:52 Onegu wrote:



He has to believe what he is writeing, if you ever get the feeling he is off on something he is prolly mafia. I have correctly read him in every game I've played with him. He pushes things and goes on random tangents as both alignments, he can be right and wrong but you have to look for belief in his passion. Its there if you see it.

On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:


It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy

On August 23 2014 21:23 GlowingBear wrote:


Please, explain.

On August 23 2014 21:01 Onegu wrote:
Yeah rayn Im reading you scum this game buddy, here is why. Normally you will be like scum rayn doesnt do this, scum rayn never does that. This game you are posting specific reasons to read you. I saw it on page 51 that I just pointed out and page 2 of your filter.

On August 23 2014 21:03 Onegu wrote:



Thats the thing town Rayn believes everything he writes you can follow it, hes pasionate about it you can feel it from his posts all of them.

On August 23 2014 21:44 justanothertownie wrote:


You are talking an awful lot about this and I don't really see why a townie would do that. The things with the masons for example didn't even occur to me.
You are very active and all but almost every post you make I completely disagree with.