Guilty Mini Mafia - Page 35

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 11:55 GMT

#3058

KSC, you got it all wrong. It's actually good if the confirmed town are scummy / lazy players. That just means they won't be mislynches like they otherwise would. I would have probably lynched GB D1 without the Mason claim. Meanwhile nonconfirmed players can clear themselves with just their actions.

Same with me - I was actually very happy that people suspected me. That just made me safer. As Cop it's not your prime objective to be 100% supertown and get NK'd.

I don't know why you'd be so angry if you're town and agree that town has won the game. I think WOS' attitude is actually way more townish than yours.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 12:01 GMT

#3060

In any case scumteam, I think it's okay just to concede. We'll be lynching KSC -> VA -> WOS or some other order of the same players until we win. Me, Damdred, turtle or yamato will never be lynched. It's over.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 12:06 GMT

#3062

I have faith in the turtle.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 12:09 GMT

#3064

On August 28 2014 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:
if turtle agrees here to only lynch me, VA, WoS or whatever the order is then yeh scum team can probably concede.

Shouldn't it be "we"

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 12:11 GMT

#3065

Turtle has obediently sheeped GB anyway. I don't see why he wouldn't sheep the remaining conftownies as well.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 12:41 GMT

#3070

Even if all the other arguments didn't exist, the fact remains that 1) WOS+VA scumteam doesn't make much sense 2) even if that somehow turned out to be the case, we win regardless. So I feel pretty safe in lynching KSC even with only these reasons.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 12:47 GMT

#3071

I'll go through the filters of VA, WOS and KSC tonight but I don't really expect my vote to change.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 13:40 GMT

#3090

VA making his retarded fakeclaim isn't necessarily scummy since he does that as town. What I don't like is that he's lurking so hard and doesn't seem to really care about what happens today (or any other day for that matter). After he claimed that his play improves after D1... In fact it's only got worse.

Before lynching VA over KSC today I'll need to be convinced that WOS+VA are making some kind of an elaborate double bus play. WOS especially has been pushing VA hard for days and VA voted for WOS immediately after me today. I can't really see it right now. But I'll look into it.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 13:53 GMT

#3096

I will read VA+WOS when I get home and see if it makes any sense as a scumteam. If it does, I may be willing to lynch VA first. I must commend KSC for putting in so much effort today, and scum should be a bit more resigned in this situation, so I'll think about it.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 13:56 GMT

#3098

On August 28 2014 22:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Xat you have to look at WoS voting on VA as he has no other options to be honest.

The lynch is going to be between me,WoS and VA. so even if he got me lynched mafia still loses.

As for d2 the bus wasn't that elaborate. If he refutes the claim it looks better for him when VA is found fake, how does he know VA is fake , because they are mafia together. Everyone else end of d2 was pretty sure VA was real wonder why WoS wasnt convinced? because he knew for sure it was fake.

with the votes, everyone was on Hapa when WoS came back , the WoS staying on VA was irrelevant because whereever he voted didn't matter, him deciding to stick on VA just makes him look towny but really it is irrelevant

Yeah, that does kind of make sense.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 13:59 GMT

#3099

On August 28 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:

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don't commend me

I feel embarassed for throwing a temper tantrum at the whole thread when I actually had a good time playing the game.

If you're town, you need to learn that emotions always play a role in decisions and just figuring out the game from your own perspective isn't enough. You need to look at the game objectively and get the scum lynched, not just find them. Insulting confirmed townies is counterproductive to a townie's goals.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 14:04 GMT

#3101

Hmm. Maybe it could actually be VA+WOS after all. I don't see why KSC would be this persistent to get them lynched when he admits that yamato is towny. Feels like wasteful effort for scum. And WOS did refuse to lynch Robik + seemed oddly certain that VA was fake.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 14:14 GMT

#3102

Whoops, I missed KSC's post about the yamato scumread being a trap or something. Disregard that part of my case then, phone posting sucks.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 14:19 GMT

#3104

Well, the fact remains that scum KSC would 100% kill GB, but so would probably many others as well so it's not a significant point.

I'll need to rethink about the connections.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 14:20 GMT

#3105

On August 28 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:

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what?

My point 2 where I said that you were trying to push a yamato lynch. But it was a fake read or something apparently.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 14:59 GMT

#3108

I'll really feel bad if we mislynch today considering our perfect lynch ratio so far, so I'll think about this some more. It also contributes to re-evaluating stuff that parts of my KSC case were incorrect.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 16:41 GMT

#3109

It's pretty sad rereading how D1 went down. I admit I was too paranoid of rayn, and I shouldn't have trusted Hapa as easily. All of rayn's other scumreads were wrong though (well, yamato isn't still 100% certain) so... I don't feel *that* bad about opposing him.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

August 28 2014 17:58 GMT

#3111

I've gone through filters again (VA+WOS+KSC) and I've come to the conclusion that it's probably VA+WOS after all. For a couple of reasons:

1) My case on KSC was partly incorrect (specifically the point about him pushing yamato today and VA+WOS scumteam not making sense) and the remaining part is pretty circumstantial (like KSC having the best motive to kill GB). There are also several factors pointing to town KSC (high activity throughout the game, not caring about his own appearance, pushing his own stuff even when others disagree with it).

2) WOS actually started soft pushing yamato recently which I didn't notice earlier. It feels a lot like he's setting up a scenario where we lynch VA, then KSC, then he might be able to get yamato lynched and still win.

On August 28 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still highly doubt yamato is scum and wouldn't lynch him ahead of KSC/Dam but I realize there's a higher chance than I thought. Yamato you can't tell me it's not possible for you to have bussed for no reason and then have your game revitalized as scum once everybody thinks you're town. You are completely capable of that kind of play.

On August 28 2014 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
So VA is definitely scum---you don't fakeclaim like that as town and cause shit for no reason.
Should be pretty damn obvious at this point.

Guess it's KSC and VA right now, unless yamato.

On August 28 2014 10:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pretty simple imo, we lynch into those not currently 'confirmed' in some way and win (if Xat is telling the truth, and I'm pretty fucking certain he is)
Means scum are amongst me/KSC/VA and since we can afford a mislynch it's GG already.

Unless yamato scum.

3) It looked like WOS tried to get VA lynched during D2, but actually he was a big factor in saving VA. He spread the idea of Hapa being SK which eventually led to VA being saved. He was also oddly convinced about the claim being fake (when everyone else at least entertained the idea of it being true) and he had a big motive for voting VA: putting some distance between himself and VA - after he awkwardly refused to lynch Robik earlier. Today they voted each other, but VA initially said that he suspected KSC more - but after all, it doesn't really matter how the lynch order goes, as long as WOS ends up alive at LYLO.

4) WOS+KSC scumteam doesn't actually make all that much sense since KSC went hard after WOS during D1.

5) I'd expect the scumteam to be quite a bit demotivated right now to "figure out" anything and wanting to speed up the game to arrive at LYLO. WOS said exactly that... And both WOS+VA have basically lurked more and more as the game progressed, especially today. Typical for scum activity patterns. Neither of them seems to really care about what happens right now. What matters is only that WOS could mislynch yamato at LYLO. Meanwhile KSC has, unlike I originally thought, been pushing a pro-town agenda today: worrying about the LYLO situation and townreading yamato, even going so far as to create a "trap" for WOS to show his plans regarding yamato (although it didn't succeed).

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