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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 14:04 GMT
#3101
Hmm. Maybe it could actually be VA+WOS after all. I don't see why KSC would be this persistent to get them lynched when he admits that yamato is towny. Feels like wasteful effort for scum. And WOS did refuse to lynch Robik + seemed oddly certain that VA was fake.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 14:14 GMT
#3102
Whoops, I missed KSC's post about the yamato scumread being a trap or something. Disregard that part of my case then, phone posting sucks.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 14:19 GMT
#3103
On August 28 2014 23:14 Xatalos wrote:
Whoops, I missed KSC's post about the yamato scumread being a trap or something. Disregard that part of my case then, phone posting sucks.


what?
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 14:19 GMT
#3104
Well, the fact remains that scum KSC would 100% kill GB, but so would probably many others as well so it's not a significant point.

I'll need to rethink about the connections.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 14:20 GMT
#3105
On August 28 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 23:14 Xatalos wrote:
Whoops, I missed KSC's post about the yamato scumread being a trap or something. Disregard that part of my case then, phone posting sucks.


what?


My point 2 where I said that you were trying to push a yamato lynch. But it was a fake read or something apparently.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 14:22 GMT
#3106
On August 28 2014 23:19 Xatalos wrote:
Well, the fact remains that scum KSC would 100% kill GB, but so would probably many others as well so it's not a significant point.

I'll need to rethink about the connections.


I think everyone would kill GB

VA is scum so he can't kill himself
GB or turtle are the Nk targets and turtle... well GB seems to be the leader of the mason group.
I think if anything killing GB is just a mafia way of throwing the attention on me, but like I said mafia didn't really have a choice.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 14:22 GMT
#3107
On August 28 2014 23:20 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2014 23:14 Xatalos wrote:
Whoops, I missed KSC's post about the yamato scumread being a trap or something. Disregard that part of my case then, phone posting sucks.


what?


My point 2 where I said that you were trying to push a yamato lynch. But it was a fake read or something apparently.


yeh I was kind of hoping WoS would jump in and say like "yeh no way can I bus Va here I cant be scum"
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 14:59 GMT
#3108
I'll really feel bad if we mislynch today considering our perfect lynch ratio so far, so I'll think about this some more. It also contributes to re-evaluating stuff that parts of my KSC case were incorrect.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 16:41 GMT
#3109
It's pretty sad rereading how D1 went down. I admit I was too paranoid of rayn, and I shouldn't have trusted Hapa as easily. All of rayn's other scumreads were wrong though (well, yamato isn't still 100% certain) so... I don't feel *that* bad about opposing him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 16:44 GMT
#3110
On August 29 2014 01:41 Xatalos wrote:
It's pretty sad rereading how D1 went down. I admit I was too paranoid of rayn, and I shouldn't have trusted Hapa as easily. All of rayn's other scumreads were wrong though (well, yamato isn't still 100% certain) so... I don't feel *that* bad about opposing him.


I think you have to say Yamato is 100% town at this point.

He voted on Rob and pushed for Hapa lynch.

Also if you put any confusion in the thread then Turtle might ML in the final 3.

Auto from this point as far as I am concerned lynch VA, lynch WoS.

you can lynch me in there aswell if you like but I am town
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 17:58 GMT
#3111
I've gone through filters again (VA+WOS+KSC) and I've come to the conclusion that it's probably VA+WOS after all. For a couple of reasons:

1) My case on KSC was partly incorrect (specifically the point about him pushing yamato today and VA+WOS scumteam not making sense) and the remaining part is pretty circumstantial (like KSC having the best motive to kill GB). There are also several factors pointing to town KSC (high activity throughout the game, not caring about his own appearance, pushing his own stuff even when others disagree with it).

2) WOS actually started soft pushing yamato recently which I didn't notice earlier. It feels a lot like he's setting up a scenario where we lynch VA, then KSC, then he might be able to get yamato lynched and still win.

On August 28 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still highly doubt yamato is scum and wouldn't lynch him ahead of KSC/Dam but I realize there's a higher chance than I thought. Yamato you can't tell me it's not possible for you to have bussed for no reason and then have your game revitalized as scum once everybody thinks you're town. You are completely capable of that kind of play.



On August 28 2014 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
So VA is definitely scum---you don't fakeclaim like that as town and cause shit for no reason.
Should be pretty damn obvious at this point.

Guess it's KSC and VA right now, unless yamato.


On August 28 2014 10:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pretty simple imo, we lynch into those not currently 'confirmed' in some way and win (if Xat is telling the truth, and I'm pretty fucking certain he is)
Means scum are amongst me/KSC/VA and since we can afford a mislynch it's GG already.

Unless yamato scum.


3) It looked like WOS tried to get VA lynched during D2, but actually he was a big factor in saving VA. He spread the idea of Hapa being SK which eventually led to VA being saved. He was also oddly convinced about the claim being fake (when everyone else at least entertained the idea of it being true) and he had a big motive for voting VA: putting some distance between himself and VA - after he awkwardly refused to lynch Robik earlier. Today they voted each other, but VA initially said that he suspected KSC more - but after all, it doesn't really matter how the lynch order goes, as long as WOS ends up alive at LYLO.

4) WOS+KSC scumteam doesn't actually make all that much sense since KSC went hard after WOS during D1.

5) I'd expect the scumteam to be quite a bit demotivated right now to "figure out" anything and wanting to speed up the game to arrive at LYLO. WOS said exactly that... And both WOS+VA have basically lurked more and more as the game progressed, especially today. Typical for scum activity patterns. Neither of them seems to really care about what happens right now. What matters is only that WOS could mislynch yamato at LYLO. Meanwhile KSC has, unlike I originally thought, been pushing a pro-town agenda today: worrying about the LYLO situation and townreading yamato, even going so far as to create a "trap" for WOS to show his plans regarding yamato (although it didn't succeed).

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 18:05 GMT
#3112
Sorry KSC, my earlier case on you was because I was phoneposting and couldn't really read filters all that well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 18:06 GMT
#3113
In fact I'm more confident in WOS being scum than VA, so:

##Unvote
##Vote WaveOfShadow
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 28 2014 18:25 GMT
#3114
Whats the vote count right now/
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 18:29 GMT
#3115
On August 28 2014 22:14 Sylencia wrote:
Counting of votes:

VayneAuthority (3): WaveofShadow, yamato77, KelsierSC, turtlevine
WaveOfShadow (1): Xatalos, VayneAuthority
KelsierSC (3): turtlevine, Xatalos, Damdred

Not voting (0):

Currently VayneAuthority is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Saturday, Aug 30 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).

+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: WaveofShadow voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: Xatalos voted WaveofShadow(post)
VOTE: VayneAuthority voted WaveofShadow (post)
VOTE: yamato77 voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: KelsierSC voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: turtlevine voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: turtlevine voted KelsierSC (post)
VOTE: Xatalos voted KelsierSC (post)
VOTE: Damdred voted KelsierSC (post)



With my vote changed to WOS.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 18:32 GMT
#3116
Come, Damdred, join the wagon of justice
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 28 2014 18:41 GMT
#3117
##Unvote
##Vote WaveOfShadow


Well we kill off those three hit mafia we win
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 18:44 GMT
#3118
Yeah. I just want to make sure we hit scum before I'm NK'd. I'd feel extremely bad if I led a mislynch, got NK'd, and somehow it went downhill from there so that we lost the game (such as turtle being convinced to lynch yamato at LYLO).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 18:47 GMT
#3119
I'm hopeful that the game is now solved and it should be if/when WOS flips red.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
turtlevine
Profile Joined August 2014
74 Posts
August 28 2014 18:52 GMT
#3120
That case on WoS is fine but do we really want to have to listen to KSC's abuse for another 72 hours?
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