[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia - Page 6

On August 29 2014 21:17 Barakos wrote:
Jenny/ Superbia area you here? If so, what are your thoughts on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=27#523

On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote:


I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while.
I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.

I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me.
I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.

The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.

If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there.
However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.

Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.

TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.

On August 30 2014 00:19 JennyHell wrote:


Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.

Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed.
Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.

On August 30 2014 06:50 Barakos wrote:
This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts?
And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?

On August 30 2014 07:12 Barakos wrote:

Yes. Reason is given here.

Read it and feel free to ask questions about it.

On August 30 2014 07:33 lilwade wrote:
I missed part of my superbia post.
that last sentence was "the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:
I am with abuse at this point in time... rereading your filter, there are several moments, where I stumbled over some things, that I didn't like.

Your D1:
First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"...
You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads".
The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread.
Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense.
Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier:

I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again?

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this:

This doesn't add up for me.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Your N1:
You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this.
After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa.
You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read.
And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Then we come into D2.
You start it off with this:


I don't like this post at all... for several reasons.
The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier.
I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart.
So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him.
What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it.
So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out.
What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me.

On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote:Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time.
Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town.

So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you.