EPT[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia - Page 6
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote: What I noticed is that if two people should have died in Night 1 (assuming a Mafia roleblocker can also kill someone) that means Jenny should have died in Night 1, but she did not thus she is confirmed town (I highly doubt she is lying about being jailed, her outing seemed too genuine and sophisticated) and we have one more townie whose information should be trusted This isn't possible, since mafia can only kill one per night. "The mafia-killpower is allways 1" doesn't mean, that all mafia can shoot 1 person per night, but mafia kills 1 person. So Jenny is by no means confirmed. All we know is, that our Jailer thought, Jenny was the best bet to block and protect. Since meatpudding was shot night 1, this means Jenny was not targeted by mafia night 1. So Jenny is by no means confirmed town. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
This would be a claim, that everybody can make. It doesn't have to be true or false, but it's a tactic. What you are not allowed to do is give out the exact wording of your role-pm. Also the option, to ask amiko for a fake-roleclaim is for mafia-players only, i guess, since they are not given the name of disney-princesses but the names of disney-villains. So they need a valid princess-name, in case they want to fakeclaim. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
And also note: Claiming you are Role XYZ is perfectly legal. You don't get disqualified for doing this. See the claim-rules on page 1, points 5,10 and 11. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Are you all right, Jenny? Agree with you on no-voting tomorrow. Also roles-outing shouldn't be done, sooner than lylo. Tomorrow will be either talking and no-voting or thanking god for a deathless night and trying to get our first scum. So completely on board with what you said. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
What a messy night. rest in peace, abuse and Breshke hope you are, where you belong now, lilwade. There is still no use in roleclaiming now, what good would it do? Gives mafia easier targets. ##Vote: No Lynch Superbia: My reluctance to push on lilwade came from the fact, that he wasn't present. I actually say in my quote, that his credit is used up after this night. And look, what I did the first thing in the morning... I followed on my word. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
bit high on painkillers and wont post anymore today. see you tomorrow | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Can't be really mad at him.  | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Totally agree with you on this. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
I had you as top scum out of the last 4 remaining. If your last post wouldn't look that damn honest, this would be an easy call. -.- | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
But since we all got into that silent agreement, that it would only benefit, if they get more information before their final shot, that didn't happen... But well. Let's see, what Jenny claims, once she joins us... The way it is set up at the moment, it could also be you being the one, who has to make the final call. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
I am Quasimodo, the Tragic Hero and you, JennyHell, are a fraud. ## vote JennyHell And your defense is also nothing but some breadcrumbs you threw out the whole game, to lure us into your gingerbread house! On September 04 2014 11:20 JennyHell wrote: Night 1 I tried superhard to be hit by that bullet, but that didn't happen. And I was thinking to myself, who'd not want me in final 3, probably Barakos. Daydream and Barakos had been buddying up to eachother so if I was out of the picture it would have been easy for him to misslynch Superbia. But I bet you didn't count on me being the BP, did ya?! Hah! It's not like you were the only one, being town. Superbia and me were with you the whole night, trying to push the game further. We all were not sure, who would hit the that night and if we would live till the next morning... well... you of course knew, who would be the target and I knew, I would live, the only one gessing was superbia but still you did nothing extraordinary during the night. What really made you look town at the end of N1 was your attempt to get everybody from gobbledydook to breshke in D1. A very good way, to get townpoints, you even fooled me there, but in the end, you tried to make people switch from townie A to townie B, since you just didn't care, which of them died, but you sure looked good at that moment. And where was I buddying up with marine? The only thing I did all game was call him out for his out-of-this-world reads and flawed logic and correct him, when he missunderstood rules. On September 04 2014 11:20 JennyHell wrote: I've even hinted earlier in the thread that I'm not a princess. In hindsight, such a shit tier read, but if we look past the fact that I read Barakos completely wrong, I asked him to be my bride. Why would I as a girl ask a guy to be my BRIDE?! Because I am a GUY in the game. I am Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero. Because we are all princesses maybe? Why would you ask a princess to be your groom? Doesn't make sense and is just you trying to find things, that affirm your counterclaim and now you come up with a roleplay-line. If you haven't read it yet... I agreed on your second proposal by saying "be my princess and I'll be yours". Just note, that I didn't say anything about being "your prince", because I was under the impression, that we agreed on being a same-sex couple... Of course I could now make something up and say that I didn't write "I'll be your prince.", because I was just the ugly hunchback to confirm my own claim, but that wouldn't be honest and I won't resort to roleplay-lines to do that. On September 04 2014 11:20 JennyHell wrote: Other than that I've been super towny all game, even multiple times told everyone to not feel like anyone is confirmed even though it's made you guys feel iffy about me. Also, why I wanted no claims yesterday was because if a save happens or if I get hit then it's so much easier to find out who the last mafia is. Of course you were super-towny all game... that's what you had to try, because lilwade didn't do anything to help you, so you had to pull the weight of the two of you. The way you tried to achieve this is by becoming top town and pretending like you had some positive reads on him but were not quite sure yet, to make everybody look away from wade, since you did the same... I am quite a bit embarrassed to say, that it worked with me for such a long time. But your way of being super-towny was nothing more than telling people to stay alert and of course now it makes you look good, because now you can point everywhere in the thread and tell everybody "look, i told you not to trust me, ain't i super town?" I must admit, I didn't do such a thing, because I was fully aware of the possibility of everybody being potentially mafia except the dead and didn't need to remind myself of this all the time. The only thing I did, was try to prevent unjustified accusations, that were over the top and call people out for posts they missed and defend people from marines flawed logic. I guess, it's up to superbia now, to tell, what was really genuine and what was part of a bigger scheme, made up by mafia to look as well-intentioned as possible. On September 04 2014 11:22 JennyHell wrote: Because he knew he had shot me and I didn't die. Nice to out yourself with your extra information there, Barakos! There is no extra information in there? Nobody dieing and the jailer being modkilled for inactivity is a clear sign of mafia hitting me (or the modkilled jailer, but who would go for that?). Everybody can do this math... The only thing I do, is remind superbia of the possibility of you counterclaiming my role instead of Vanilla Town, which you did in the end. On September 04 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: If I was mafia, would I really CC someone who's been townread the entire game? Or would I go for an easy win by trying to act towny and get you out instead, seeing as he's had you as scummy almost the entire game? Why would I intentionally make it extra difficult for myself? I edited out the crap you had in that post; stop trying to make me angry, please. You realize, the same questions apply for me too? Superbia at this point claimed he was VT by saying, he wasn't the bulletproof. Now why would I make superbia make the choice between you and me and not you make the choice between him and me? I mean... up until this point we were married, right? So it doesn't make any sense for me, to try and go against you in head-to-head. My guess, why you decided to go up vs me: You read superbias last post and you read my statement, where I say, that his post looks damn honest and that I have serious concerns about his position as top scum, so you didn't want me to make the final call but him, because you could use the fact, that he had you as top scum, to mindgame him into lynching me. Of course, superbias list of people, he thinks are mafia, is also something, that you could bring up as reason, why I decided to go vs you and not vs him... In the end superbia will have to decide, who is actually genuine. oh... and we are so getting divorced! | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
You are basically saying "I am not sure, who of you two is trustworthy, so could you please both tell me, how you feel about your play." You are basically asking scum to lie about their whole game, which is bound to confuse you... You know, how the game went and you know, how the answers are gonna be (more or less)... I will tell you, that I did, what I did to keep the thread constructive, to eliminate unfounded suspicions and basically to win the game for town. Jenny is gonna tell you, that she did, what she did, because she wanted everybody to stay alert, to focus everybody on the mafia-hunt and to never give anybody a free pass. It is your job now, to determine, whose motives you question and whose you don't. The two of us talking about the game again will give you a 2nd and 3rd opinion on everything, which will only derail you from finding your answer, since it takes away from the time you got, to reevaluate everything and come to a correct solution. So the questions to us should not be "why are you town". Your question at us should be something like "jenny, why did you cut lilwade so much slack, when at day one you already found out, that he wasn't softclaiming tracker, cause he didn't follow up on your question?" and "barakos, why did you push lilwade only after the misslynch and not before?"... it should be about things, that are unclear to you. This kind of question I will gladly answer and this will help you determine, who did things because he was town and who did things because he was pretending to be town. The question you asked above is too general, so I will give you a short answer to not derail you further: What I did was all in order to keep the thread as clean as possible, to not give mafia a place to hide. I was never afraid to speak my mind and to defend somebody of false or illogical accusations, I tried to prevent people from jumping at conclusions and only took a definite stance on somebody, when I was sure enough of myself. | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
When EoD2 came, there was some kind of relaxed athmosphere in the thread. Everybody was in a bit more joke-y mood and that kind of got to me. It had not much to do with ingame content, since Jenny wasn't present for most part of D2, due to her being sick. Really more a "spur of the moment"-thing. Plus: at that time she sill was my top-town | ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Barakos
Germany358 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia#4 Don't try to confuse superbia... all names are possible and nothing can be read into them. | ||
| ||
