EPT[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia - Page 5
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JennyHell
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JennyHell
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JennyHell
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Your roleplaying is hilarious and I don't mind you doing it, but there are certain things you need to understand. You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day. You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones. If they outlive the rest of us this game is over and we have lost. It's basically a communicative puzzle. Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched. So if you intend on keeping on with the roleplaying, don't forget to actually analyze the game in ways that even us non-roleplayers can understand. That way we can read you where you are coming from and get a better knowledge of wether or not you are one of the wicked ones. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed. To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy. Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included. I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened. That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways. We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out. We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc. Do some leg work people, I know I will. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
The fair maidens of the town are wondering what thy name is. Would you be so kind as to indulge us? | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game? | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 28 2014 10:00 Amiko wrote: Day 1 - Final Vote Count Breshke (2): Abuse (0): Superbia (1): Meatpudding, gobbledydook (4): Abuse, MihZaaa, Barakos, Superbia, MihZaaa (2): Not voting (1): Daydreamarine This is how it ended, as we all could see. Gobble had 3 votes for him, then Superbia votes for him and he completely loses it. He starts flinging poo, basically. My initial thought was, if he flips mafia after this lynch then Superbia is likely to be his mafia teammate, bussing him hard and therefore he's angry. My secondary thought was that he's probably frustrated and annoyed with being read wrong and taking it to a personal level. While it is totally not ok to act like he did there, I wanted to make sure he at least tried in his last few dying breaths. I saw something there that made me feel he is town, and when I went through his posts earlier tonight I felt so dumb for not seeing his previous town tells. I will point them out in another post, this one is about the voting. So, I began defending him. People were voting on him even though they said he felt town. I pointed you out because you all felt that it was ok to drop the scumhunting, to drop everything this game is about just because someone went douche-mode. Gobble changed his vote to Breshke, maybe because I was defending him so he was reading me town and therefore understood the flaws I saw in Breshke. That's just speculation though. I manage to talk sense into some of you, so lilwade swaps back to MihZaa where he previously was and Breshke joins on. I mean, I didn't expect him to go anywhere else because he can't really go for himself. Why he decided to swap off I hope come from a town perspective but to be honest I feel it's a very neutral perspective. Either way he was not in any danger of being the lynch, here's why: The change came ~20 minutes before the end of the day and for him to be the new lynch it would have required a super adamant hard-headed Superbia to move off Gobble and onto Breshke, to make a 3-3 and then for either lilwade to flip onto Breshke or Daydreamarine to perform a miracle that is called voting. The rest hadn't shown enough presence to even be a threat of changing their votes. I think it's safe to say that end of day 1 was chaotic, and confusing. We didn't have 2 wagons like I explicitly tried to get going and then it turned in to a mess because someone overreacted. However, his overreaction made me see him as town and I'm just sad I didn't manage to save him. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
1. His intro. On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote: I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm. God save the princesses. He's trying to take a role bullet. Which is a good thing to do as VT. He went on to say that abuse is scum for how he doesn't have a scum read when it's been 24 hours in to day 1 and follows it up with a vote. The next post explains that he things Meatpudding is abuse's partner and is attempting to make him look better. And the logic sort of made sense at that moment. On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote: meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy ... This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. EBWOP fixed quotes I agree with him that at that point it seemed a bit odd and still does. Saying he's suspicious and hoping he can bring more insight and in the same post be all like "oh, found something!" Another thing I'd like to comment about.. Why wouldn't you want to be direct? There's no need to beat around the bush and conceal things. Just be up front. Here's how I feel and this is why. And here's my followup Q for you. Nice and simple, so everyone can get it. Gobble then did something towny. He listened to what you guys had said and went back on his reads. He wasn't worried it would make him look scummy he wasn't acting strange. He was genuinely changing his mind on the two and unvoted. Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that. ##Unvote A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town. It's not scummy to change reads. It shows you are reconsidering the game and you're trying to solve this and figure out who the wicked ones truly are. He reminded people that voting is mandatory. Something any alignment could easily do, so that's a neutral thing to do. But then he comes out with this: I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them. Which to me just hit home. That's exactly how most mafia players are in video mafia as well. They try really hard to get in to a town circle. Once they are actually there, they just sit back and enjoy the ride while town tears itself apart. That said though, it's not an excuse for his behaviour which was completely unacceptable. Then BAM! On August 28 2014 07:06 gobbledydook wrote: A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible. He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards: I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better. Again hitting the analogy right on the head. How did we not see this as a town read? Even if we don't necessarily agree that lilwade is scum scum, I think we all have some worries about him. Where do they stem from? Maybe this that gobble pointed out to us. Following on to his response to my comment that he's starting to seem desperate which made me think he was more scummy and was probably going to start grasping at straws in a few moments. On August 28 2014 07:34 gobbledydook wrote: You'd be desperate too if you were about to be mislynched. Everyone has a different reaction when put on the noose. Desperation, or the lack of it, is simply not alignment indicative. Can't count how many times the 'desperate person' flipped town and then I was like welp dun goofed. He's again 100% correct. An emotional response is of neutral alignment. You can't read someone from it unless you know the person/have played with them before and therefore have a feel for how they usually respond. Then came his BM that I will not recap, because I think we've all read it 4-5 times already. All in all, he said towny things even if we didn't agree on his reads. And I feel stooooooooopid for not seeing those to begin with. Everything just gets more clear when you know he's confirmed. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
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JennyHell
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1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up. 2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why. 3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Breshke, I went hard at him and he was my final vote. He's also not contributed much in my opinion. lilwade, his activity is super low. I saw something in one of his posts that gave him a pass for the day and was going to keep my eyes on him for day 2. He should not be off the scum radar. Barakos, I know most of us are reading him as town but remember, noone is confirmed! Daydreamarine, I asked him a question during the night and tried to do it in a roleplay fashion. Make sure he answers it and hopefully that will help you with him. Remember this post: On August 29 2014 06:20 JennyHell wrote: Moving on, what I'd like for us to do is this: 1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up. 2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why. 3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1. Strong stances people. It's better to change your mind as more info comes to you. This is day 2 coming up and we've already had 1 mislynch. We can't afford many more. To end this post, no matter who dies, ask yourself who had anything to gain from this nightkill. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
My suggestions for possible wagons coming in to day 2 is: Breshke & MihZaa. They were on my scumlist day 1 and they still haven't done anything to make me change my mind on them. Of course, if I were to live (which would be hella dumb mafiaplay) then I will reconsider everyone. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Here are my final reads for this night. Hopefully I can live on tomorrow but I don't see that happening. Town: Barakos (he's not confirmed) Leaning town: Superbia (Stop being hardheaded and a donkey! It's ok to change reads.) Leaning town: abuse (Gurl, pick your game up and be here when you're needed.) Leaning town: Daydreamarine (There was something in his RP that caught my eye. Hopefully he'll answer my Q!) Leaning mafia: lilwade (You need to pick it up and prove yourself.) Leaning mafia: meatpudding (Some of your logic I've recently started questioning) Mafia: MihZaaa (You've slipped under my radar for far too long and you contradict yourself in what you say.) Mafia: Breshke (You still make me feel like you've done nothing this game.) | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
The rolehunting seems real. I think it had something to do with that cop soft claim that was mentioned during day1. That even he said wasn't at all a soft. I guess they just didn't want to take the risk. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
We have some proper work to do and it's going to be way easier for town if we are active. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Wagons help us get proper information about voting! The way day1 ended was not good for town. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
I have no clue what question I must have missed that you were talking about, would you mind directing me to it? Why do you think you were roleblocked? Do you think they think you softed a role? How come lilwade is so high on your list? I gave him a pass for Day1, but I don't feel the same anymore. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
He comes out in his first post by saying "Let it go, let it goooo!" I instantly think about the song and realizes that there are some words in it that would fit a tracker amazingly, so I say "How am I supposed to follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?" to see if he reacts to it. He responded rather cheerfully and then at a later stage I felt that he softed tracker in one of his posts. Now that abuse has come out as being roleblocked it means that tracker is a less likely role, unless abuse is testing us all to see if he can out roles. Roles should not out, by the way. But that also meant that I'm back to the point where I feel like lilwade just haven't done enough. Therefore, no longer cutting him the slack that I did day1. | ||
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