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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 02 2014 22:58 GMT
#1641
The reason i changed my vote to wade was because of reading apathies, case on on wade. Bunnies town meta is to push people and draw reads from her pushes. She neither pushed people for reads or really gave reads. I know bunnies, and i knew the fact that she was super busy with school and work. So i was willing to give her a pass. However if you take a look at the game that we played in together, you find out that she was on a roadtrip with bad internet reception. She probably had similar amount of time to play but her play was completely different. I realized that at work, but i can't use my cell during work so it was too late to make a case on her. She also tried to appeal to me using emotion, which is not her typically style. She also dismisses my final post as bad. Instead of trying to prove to me she's town.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 02 2014 23:00 GMT
#1642
I would also like to add the fact that bunnies making a post calling me scum, for switching my vote and not being confident. Which makes absolutely no sense. If bunnies is town, she should be happy that i believed her towness and switched my vote. I also switched my vote to someone she was voting for and scumreading at the time.

It's also in bunnies video mafia style to make a list and include her mafia partner not as a top scum read but as a side scum read.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 02 2014 23:05 GMT
#1643
you there HF?
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Not really holyflare
Profile Joined August 2014
Japan56 Posts
September 02 2014 23:08 GMT
#1644
On September 03 2014 00:08 Amiko wrote:
There's a fair chance we lose today so if all three of the people in the Cell up for lynch can be active that'd be a nice change of pace for the game. I'd like at least one day where everyone is playing ._.


@NRHF:
I get a town read on you for the most part, but here's some things I'd like to ask-

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2014 10:36 Not really holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 10:30 Amiko wrote:
Oh sidethought I wanted to ask
@Anyone else who said Cell C was an easy cell to read - this was at least NotReallyHolyflare and I think also Apathy
Why do you feel this is the case?
I have never been scum on forum mafia, so I don't see why it would be easy to read me as town/scum. Even if marv is easy to read, do you feel that confident about reading Oats? Give some basis on this


Yes. Oats is like 99.9999% scum now because I think you're town.

Because I trust that you may be 99.9999% town, ill sheep you for catching a mistake that bh shouldn't have done.

Bat posted. Not scum.
Ritoky MIGHT be scum because his town was analytical. This is bullshit ritoky.

Anyway, scratch that. Ritoky is scum.

##Vote: ritoky

For this post, there's a couple weird things I'd like you to explain.

1) You indicate that you will sheep me, but then vote for ritoky. wassup with that.

2) You scumread oats on the grounds that you read me as town. This implies that you also townread marv. I don't really see you townreading marv from any of your other posts, though - most suggest that you are counting on WaveofShadow or Holyflare to read Marv. So, did you townread marv at that time? When and why?


1)I decided to trust my instinct for once over sheeping.

2) i thought that it would be better to townread marv early on, since most people will point out of marv is scum quite early.

Not really holyflare
Profile Joined August 2014
Japan56 Posts
September 02 2014 23:12 GMT
#1645
On September 03 2014 04:55 Amiko wrote:
Maybe he revealed who he was in your qt? ^^

I don't feel like knowing who he is has strongly affected my sense of him this game, though, and it's not like anyone has pushed on him or asked me for my read of him. Afaik he has no scum games on TL anyway.

As with too many things, I can't really call it scummy that no one is inquisitive because clearly neither town nor mafia cares.


Aha amiko wrong smurf

I am the more cruel one .-. The more cruel lover.
Not really holyflare
Profile Joined August 2014
Japan56 Posts
September 02 2014 23:13 GMT
#1646
On September 03 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
no i dont know but he revealed clues in the thread and you know who he is and so did toad but your mum hasn't done any of that


So who am i, hf
My cell will pass soon anyway, no harm revealing who this communist fake hf is
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 02 2014 23:29 GMT
#1647
@Meat
On September 03 2014 07:55 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
are you actually a dumbass HF? If all people from the cell vote for bunnies, or course one mafia is voting on their partner. The fact is bunnies was probably mafia, as no one voted for apathy. Either we just got rolled or bunnies was mafia. Same thing with ritoky. You also did the same thing iirc, you voted on your partner and then used some dumb excuse to switch your vote to a town


His point is that your statement assumes that bunnies is mafia;
If Apathy was mafia, then mafia did not vote for their partner.

Compare your phrasing - "Im just wary that we know at least one mafia is voting on their partner."
to my phrasing "...obviously at least one mafia is voting or trying to vote for bunnies. This doesn't give any indication that it's voting town or mafia..."

Idc though if we aren't going to have any activity then hopefully game will end today.

@NRHF:
Oh yeah then I was mistaken. I thought you were imaginary, but you are not (you are minus notflare). For some reason I thought he was a lover but come to think of it I guess he is not. That makes sense, though, I hadn't played with him for a while but he tended to do more frequent and shorter reads.
I am pretty sure I have it now, though the scum play I saw from you is hard feels difficult to apply to another game, lol. I'll take a look though >:3
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 02 2014 23:29 GMT
#1648
@NRHF I didn't realize you were so devoted to the glorious leader, lol.
Not really holyflare
Profile Joined August 2014
Japan56 Posts
September 02 2014 23:31 GMT
#1649
On September 03 2014 08:29 Amiko wrote:
@Meat
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 07:55 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
are you actually a dumbass HF? If all people from the cell vote for bunnies, or course one mafia is voting on their partner. The fact is bunnies was probably mafia, as no one voted for apathy. Either we just got rolled or bunnies was mafia. Same thing with ritoky. You also did the same thing iirc, you voted on your partner and then used some dumb excuse to switch your vote to a town


His point is that your statement assumes that bunnies is mafia;
If Apathy was mafia, then mafia did not vote for their partner.

Compare your phrasing - "Im just wary that we know at least one mafia is voting on their partner."
to my phrasing "...obviously at least one mafia is voting or trying to vote for bunnies. This doesn't give any indication that it's voting town or mafia..."

Idc though if we aren't going to have any activity then hopefully game will end today.

@NRHF:
Oh yeah then I was mistaken. I thought you were imaginary, but you are not (you are minus notflare). For some reason I thought he was a lover but come to think of it I guess he is not. That makes sense, though, I hadn't played with him for a while but he tended to do more frequent and shorter reads.
I am pretty sure I have it now, though the scum play I saw from you is hard feels difficult to apply to another game, lol. I'll take a look though >:3


you thought i was shiny didn't ya
I admit both of us play quite similarly lol
Not really holyflare
Profile Joined August 2014
Japan56 Posts
September 02 2014 23:32 GMT
#1650
On September 03 2014 08:29 Amiko wrote:
@NRHF I didn't realize you were so devoted to the glorious leader, lol.


You get to have tons of fun as a smurf lul
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 02 2014 23:39 GMT
#1651
im still lynching HF tomorrow
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 02 2014 23:47 GMT
#1652
@WaveofShadow / Holyflare:
Marv was killed as town N2 in Heavyweight III.
Did you feel he was easy to read as town in that game?

@NRHF:
I do want Holyflare, and maybe WoS/marv to know who you are to read you so please reveal yourself by then or I'll just do it. I still think you are pretty town so it's not a huge deal but eh you should do it if only to see if it gives you any helpful responses.
Also lemme know what you think of Cell B :3
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 02 2014 23:54 GMT
#1653
On September 03 2014 08:39 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im still lynching HF tomorrow

Sounds exciting and hilarious, but we have to actually get there. I'm so fucking nervous about this YM lynch because everybody is on it and it feels like a coinflip in either direction.

On September 03 2014 07:55 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
are you actually a dumbass HF? If all people from the cell vote for bunnies, or course one mafia is voting on their partner. The fact is bunnies was probably mafia, as no one voted for apathy. Either we just got rolled or bunnies was mafia. Same thing with ritoky. You also did the same thing iirc, you voted on your partner and then used some dumb excuse to switch your vote to a town

lol HF you just got fucking told
The only issue I have with HF scum right now is if he is, for him to have been fairly conclusively caught by MM1 and everyone else waffling all over the place is unlikely (no offense). HF is one of if not THE best scum on TL right now, and he's not Hapa to get caught by shitlogic/shitcases. His play is still wrong but I have no clue why.

As for you, MM1, how come the bolded logic doesn't apply to me or to the bunch of other people who started out voting bunnies/BH and then switched to the alternatives? Looks more like you've already decided HF is scum and are applying tidbits you find posthumously.

On September 03 2014 08:00 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I would also like to add the fact that bunnies making a post calling me scum, for switching my vote and not being confident. Which makes absolutely no sense. If bunnies is town, she should be happy that i believed her towness and switched my vote. I also switched my vote to someone she was voting for and scumreading at the time.

It's also in bunnies video mafia style to make a list and include her mafia partner not as a top scum read but as a side scum read.

I also have a problem with this; despite how well you presume to know bunnies, the bolded is not necessarily enough. If people would always be simply happy to be sheeped by everyone else you would lose way more often than you'd win.


Ugh I almost hope we lose today because I'm fucking shit at LYLO. Amiko I'm counting on you if we get there.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 02 2014 23:55 GMT
#1654
On September 03 2014 08:39 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im still lynching HF tomorrow

[image loading]


Hey meat, if your mom wasn't being lynched today who would you lynch and why?
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 03 2014 00:01 GMT
#1655
@WoS:
I've only been in 3-player LYLO once and won, but I picked wrong in Dr. Who (I don't actually remember if we knew it was LYLO though) and probably would have picked wrong in Detention if I'd stayed alive.

Really, all town (myself included I guess) are really screwing up. For town to win it means we have to lynch right in all three remaining cells. So honestly, everyone alive should be looking at all the remaining cells now since we'll never have this many town players available to look at the game. I.e. it's almost as important that people talk about Cell B & C now as it is to talk about the current cells.

Since Holyflare & WoS are supposed to be good at reading marv and at least one is town, do you have any comments on him?

My view of Oats is that it feels like most of his memorable posts are tunnelling me, but in retrospect I guess he posted some on marv as well. I'll try to write something about it.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 03 2014 00:05 GMT
#1656
@WOS
it could very well be me tunneling on HF and ignoring you. But if you read the game from my pov, as being confirmed town. Every interaction between us has been HF calling me scum. There was one point in the thread where i wrote something you said it didn't make sense. HF conviently intervenes saying that it would only make sense if i was mafia. Right afterwards you just said woops, i thought you were referring to batsnacks.

That whole interaction between the three of us convinces me that HF is mafia.

@Amiko, it would probably be NRHF, cause i don't think damdred is mafia. I'd hate to lose before we lynched HF, but i'd rather just lynch someone whose posted 10 times with no content and two shitty votes on town... So i'm probably voting for my your mom
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 03 2014 00:07 GMT
#1657
On September 03 2014 08:47 Amiko wrote:
@WaveofShadow / Holyflare:
Marv was killed as town N2 in Heavyweight III.
Did you feel he was easy to read as town in that game?

@NRHF:
I do want Holyflare, and maybe WoS/marv to know who you are to read you so please reveal yourself by then or I'll just do it. I still think you are pretty town so it's not a huge deal but eh you should do it if only to see if it gives you any helpful responses.
Also lemme know what you think of Cell B :3

I don't know if I'm a good example here. The way I read JAT in Guilty I basically screamed his towniness to the high heavens (as scum) because it seemed really obvious to me after playing scum with him, but it was pointed out to me by a couple people that it may not have been quite so obvious to everyone else as towny as JAT DID look---scumsight is 20/20.

Same problem with Heavyweight. I was scum in that game so I can't say for certain without it being biased. I'd like to say he was widely considered town by everyone (hence the ridiculous sheeping D1/D2 where the entire town followed marv into two mislynches). We killed him because for all my bluster about not being afraid of marv that I love to spout when scum, he really DOES solve the game eventually if given the time to, and his silence gave us a perfect opportunity that game for him not to follow up with any good reads after his bad ones. If marv is town again this time around, he can't be killed until the end of the game and I'm not sure what scum make of that since he would likely have been right about BH and initially right about bunnies (and hopefully right about YM)?

His voting patterns actually could mean he's town this game considering the way he stuck to BH and he's not known to bus for no reason (see Shadow...he had a very good reason), but then again in the unlikely case if ritoky was scum then it doesn't mean much. Biggest problem I have with marv is he IS usually pretty obvious when town, and he just isn't this time. HF and I pointed some of it out (maybe this means they aren't scum together.....?) but marv just hasn't been very marv-y this game. Isn't taking charge, isn't causing mass hysteria at lynch time is generally forgettable, and marv usually isn't.

Just like with Holyflare I can't be certain if it really IS a factor of the game type that just somehow sucks the life out of some people, if they're scum, or some other reason. But I can say with certainty both HF and marv are 'off' this game, and it's a problem.


As far as NRHF goes, I wouldn't mind knowing who he is just for curiosity's sake, and I disagree with the fact that he's been pretty towny thus far. Entirely up to him though.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 03 2014 00:08 GMT
#1658
On September 03 2014 09:01 Amiko wrote:
@WoS:
I've only been in 3-player LYLO once and won, but I picked wrong in Dr. Who (I don't actually remember if we knew it was LYLO though) and probably would have picked wrong in Detention if I'd stayed alive.

Really, all town (myself included I guess) are really screwing up. For town to win it means we have to lynch right in all three remaining cells. So honestly, everyone alive should be looking at all the remaining cells now since we'll never have this many town players available to look at the game. I.e. it's almost as important that people talk about Cell B & C now as it is to talk about the current cells.

Since Holyflare & WoS are supposed to be good at reading marv and at least one is town, do you have any comments on him?

My view of Oats is that it feels like most of his memorable posts are tunnelling me, but in retrospect I guess he posted some on marv as well. I'll try to write something about it.

I can't read Oats.
Like ever ever.
The only time I ever got him lynched as scum is when he got himself lynched by killing me in Catastrophe lol
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 03 2014 00:16 GMT
#1659
work time be back in several hours
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 03 2014 00:23 GMT
#1660
@Oats:
Since you are sheeping marv on the off chance we get to day 5 I'll be asking you to vote on marv and letting me hammer. So let's talk till you realize the error of your ways.

- Did that question about me being happy early game have any significance?

- What do you think of the conversations between you and marv while blazinghand was up for lynch?
I didn't see an answer from marv to your question as to whether whether Blazinghand gave up as scum, but not too much else to say.

- As I see it, you thought I was suspicious on D2 based on thinking that although I had decided to vote Blazinghand, I hadn't voted. I don't understand this because (1) I think it's fairly obvious I was asking questions regarding the other players before you ever raised that point and (2) I don't real see why voting early or late seems suspicious, anyway. I guess a mafia player in Cell 4/5 could vote at the last minute to get a mislynch (and then just hope to get two more before that Cell ever comes up), but I don't see anyone as having done that so otherwise it seems null to me.

- If you think voting early or late is a scumtell, why is that any more valid than BH's slip pre-game and during-game? It seems to me the other 'slip' would be more reliable.

- If you think voting late is a scumtell, why aren't you reading any other players who voted late as scummy?



(Don't you wish Cell C was 3rd now? :D)
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