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Vivax
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July 31 2014 23:55 GMT
#30
/in
Vivax
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August 01 2014 15:34 GMT
#44
Only thing surprising me so far is that the title holder didn't in.

Should ask Palmar to write a marvellosity bot.
Vivax
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August 03 2014 20:28 GMT
#132
Artanis isn't even in this game -.-
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 03 2014 20:29 GMT
#133
But he should have permission from iamp to post gifs or paint pics after each deadline.
Vivax
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August 03 2014 21:10 GMT
#135
On August 04 2014 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Artanis isn't even in this game -.-


He's in slot 11...


That's Artanis, not Artanis[XP]

I win.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 03 2014 23:08 GMT
#150
We policy lynching the belt winner?
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 03 2014 23:12 GMT
#155
/towncircle

We making this exclusive since we are the first posters and everybody else has to prove himself first or something like that?
Vivax
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August 03 2014 23:13 GMT
#157
correct-o
Vivax
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August 03 2014 23:20 GMT
#165
Yes yes that all sounds very feasible and democratic.

We're entrenched and wait for scum to run in front of our MGs
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 03 2014 23:31 GMT
#173
When you post that selfie of yourself vomiting you will be allowed to enter our exclusive club.
Vivax
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August 03 2014 23:39 GMT
#188
I give my voice in favour of Haru, he may enter the circle and voted for the target.

Veto on HF for being a biased dick.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 03 2014 23:43 GMT
#193
On August 04 2014 08:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 08:39 Vivax wrote:
I give my voice in favour of Haru, he may enter the circle and voted for the target.

Veto on HF for being a biased dick.


^ how can you have a guy like this in a town circle and a guy that fishes for roles


im forming my own town thing


What roles should he be fishing for.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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August 03 2014 23:45 GMT
#199
But me + you are a majority already.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 03 2014 23:57 GMT
#219
I don't understand why Eden doesn't want Haru in against his own intial rules after voting for his entrance.
Wave is welcome, anyway.

Offical member list:

Myself
Artanis
Eden
(Haru?)
(Wave?)

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Paranoid about rolefishing in vanilla game, BM guy, currently standing in front of an MG nest with dreams of separatism: Holyflare
Vivax
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August 03 2014 23:59 GMT
#225
On August 04 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
vivax confirmed terrible at reading sarcasm


You think this is a game?
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:10 GMT
#248
But HF, can you really tell so easily he's scum just for the way he complains about his alignment.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:17 GMT
#252
Only Wave truly knows if you're a genius or a madman, I prefer long term information over this simplistic stuff.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:20 GMT
#254
On August 04 2014 09:17 Eden1892 wrote:
I don't have a meta read as I believe meta reads to be a violation of the Third Amendment to the United States Constitution

However I 2nd Holyflare's read on Wave because I think Wave's intro and posts up until the last one about the movie seemed rehearsed. Like go back and read my and HF's posts and then read Wave's, there's a clear tonal difference in them, conversational at-ease posting vs stiff posts that don't engage a lot by comparison

Idk it's hard to explain but I really think the difference in tone with my posts vis-a-vis Wave's is significant


I prefer this explanation, that you feel the post was artificial and didn't really ask for interaction except for the last bit about HF.

Withdrawing my vote for Wave's entrance until further examination.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:21 GMT
#256
On August 04 2014 09:19 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Only Wave truly knows if you're a genius or a madman, I prefer long term information over this simplistic stuff.

~ I Am Definitely A Madman ~

But what are you defining as simplistic stuff vs long-term information?


Simplistic: You said it once as scum and never as town. I was talking to HF.
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 04 2014 00:22 GMT
#257
I know it isn't exactly long-term but it's a start.
What I refer to as long term is the individual engagement in solving the game over time, probably one of the easiest tells, at least for bad scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 00:28 GMT
#260
On August 04 2014 09:25 goodkarma wrote:
I agree about Wave. Why post any justification about voting Marv at all? It was obviously a joke.


You don't try to join our awesome circle?
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 04 2014 00:31 GMT
#262
Goodkarma sees town circle and doesn't want to be part of it D:

Goodkarma scum?
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:34 GMT
#264
On August 04 2014 09:33 goodkarma wrote:
lol towncircles this early are pointless


we are the borg you will be assimilated resistance is futile
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 04 2014 00:39 GMT
#267
Goodkarma do you feel Haru's resistance to your attempts to coerce him into scumreading WoS, or finding him scummy for not doing so is alignment indicative?
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:41 GMT
#268
attempts to find him scummy for not doing so might be more appropriate. At least that's how I read your questions to him.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:51 GMT
#275
I'd stick to "I'll wait to form more reads" with what haru said instead of riding on the weird math he has attempted, which was probably just some way to bring the point across that he wants to wait to decide on his read.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 00:52 GMT
#277
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:55 GMT
#280
On August 04 2014 09:53 Holyflare wrote:
why are you trying to shut down discussion vivax wtf?


Wouldn't say I'm shutting it down since it makes you react to me as well. We can discuss all you want.

I'm just giving you my own opinion about Haru's posts and the accusations you make.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 00:58 GMT
#284
I do get scum feels from GK for some reason but I'm not really confident about it.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 01:01 GMT
#287
I think it's the tryhard way he entered the thread and then started berating Haru about that post. Something is off with that.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 01:01 GMT
#289
On August 04 2014 10:01 gobbledydook wrote:
GG checking in.


Hi scum.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 01:14 GMT
#291
Meeeeeh he might just be really suspicious about what haru wrote idk but the gut doesn't like it.

The loaded style: "Why are you not scumreading WoS" kinda gave me the feel of a scummy accusation, and that he entered the thread with a very dry "agree about WoS" too.

Then brushing off that he might have found Haru suspicious for that when I asked him. He just wanted to understand his point of view? HF on the other hand found it outright mafiaish, and I actually thought GK found Haru scummy too from the style of the questions but apparently he didn't really see something alignment indicative like HF did.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 01:22 GMT
#293
Goodkarma do you feel I'm throwing bad accusations?

It's like, I enter the game and it's a nice fluffy place full of friendly people who want to kill marv, if you ignore HF at least and then the saloon doors open and in comes this grim guy: "Agree about WoS" and sits down in a dark corner.

This is more or less the feeling I got from you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 01:32 GMT
#295
On August 04 2014 10:29 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 09:33 goodkarma wrote:
lol towncircles this early are pointless


Exactly what I think. Let's stop circlejerking.

I don't find anything particularly interesting in any of this discussion yet. It's 80% /towncirclejerk and 20% discussion on waveofshadow's meta, which isn't convincing at all. I also don't see how waveofshadow's <3333-throwing is indicative of any alignment. I feel it's more a stylistic choice, and the fact that it feels rehearsed is due to the fact that no normal person would say 'i love you' to every stranger on the internets.


And in your opinion no scum posted so far?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 01:40 GMT
#299
On August 04 2014 10:35 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 10:22 Vivax wrote:
Goodkarma do you feel I'm throwing bad accusations?

It's like, I enter the game and it's a nice fluffy place full of friendly people who want to kill marv, if you ignore HF at least and then the saloon doors open and in comes this grim guy: "Agree about WoS" and sits down in a dark corner.

This is more or less the feeling I got from you.


The thing is I haven't been sitting in a dark corner. I've been in here actively posting. That should speak volumes of my towniness. Good luck seeing me be this active in a scumgame.

I also don't joke around or trollpost all that much. I like to get into the thick of things, and make every post count for something.

I read Haru as scummy. I already mentioned he made an out of place effort to be null on WoS. And that's scummy. Not null.


What do you think of the way he came around to agreeing on his argument not being necessarily correct since he argued that you would be happy to roll town after a 3 month break.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 02:34 GMT
#312
On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.


wat

this doesnt make sense
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 02:44 GMT
#316
On August 04 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 11:34 Vivax wrote:
On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.


wat

this doesnt make sense


Why not?


cause you dont enjoy playing scum and we know that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 15:20 GMT
#537
@ JAT:

I would say that you should have by now realized that me "defending" Haru wasn't intended as defending Haru but simply saying that I didn't agree with the arguments HF was using, which was that huge focus on the -1 +1 part. I preferred to focus on Haru saying he was null on WoS, so maybe he didn't really think that math through properly but just wanted to express in a weird way he was null on WoS.

So far three interpretations of that post of mine have been posted: I shut down discussion, I defend, and I simply express my point of view.

What it ultimately means is up to the intention of the observer in my regards, does he only try to find a bad interpretation, or does he consider the post from both perspective?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 15:20 GMT
#539
On August 05 2014 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think Marv is still buttmad that he's getting policy'd.
This means the policy must continue.


You remember who proposed it?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 15:26 GMT
#547
On August 05 2014 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote:
@ JAT:

I would say that you should have by now realized that me "defending" Haru wasn't intended as defending Haru but simply saying that I didn't agree with the arguments HF was using, which was that huge focus on the -1 +1 part. I preferred to focus on Haru saying he was null on WoS, so maybe he didn't really think that math through properly but just wanted to express in a weird way he was null on WoS.

But you definitely did defend him by doing so, didn't you? And I don't neccessarily like this explanation better because I think what HF was doing there was pretty pro town.


No, I didn't defend him, I proposed a view of his play that wasn't focused on the -1 + 1 thingy. It's not the first time he uses stuff like that as a way to bring his point across and so far it never made sense to others. It simply isn't something I would use in my attempt to read him.

I defended him for myself maybe, if he believe what HF's says or what I say is ultimately up to them.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 15:44 GMT
#555
It seems there is a strong difference in Goodkarma's play regarding his two scumreads. I feel he ended up focusing much more on Haru than on WoS, and that after criticizing Haru for nullreading WoS for that.

Like, the one thing GoodKarma had to expect in his opinion was that Haru would scumread WoS with a -1.
I think that if they wanted to nullread somebody as opposed to scumreading him, then scum would prefer ścumreading the townie and null reading the other scum.

If that's what GK might think, too, then he must just feel as strongly scummy about Wave than he does for Haru, cause just then nullreading WoS might show a scum motive.
However all we are left with Goodkarma vs Wave is:

Your scumread and dunno read have been pretty active in thread. Kinda curious you haven't had anything to say to them.


WoS wrote this before GK posted that:
Scum: Haru---his defense of me is awkward and he immediately backtracks on it when given an out. Rubs me in completely the wrong direction


So they both scumread the same guy, Wave says what he found scummy about Haru, but GoodKarma still asks him that.
Besides, I don't really like the reason WoS is using there for scumreading Haru, so I'm surprised Goodkarma wouldn't also try to get more interactions with WoS aside from that sort of loaded post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 16:02 GMT
#562
On August 05 2014 00:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds to me like you're making an unflipped association between GK and WoS which seems to be the foundation to your case.


I wouldn't really call it a case yet, I prefer to call it observations the mentioned people have to react to.

I realize that it could come from a town perspective to prefer one guy over the other, maybe cause he got tired and stopped playing when he could talk to wave, or that he got tunneled in the process of talking to Haru, but that kind of doesn't apply in my logic where hf and gk in my opinion excessively rode on the -1 + 1, since I experienced Haru using those numbers that make sense to nobody else to describe his reads as town previously.

It seems to me like it was nitpicking, and something that could be picked up by anyone if he so wanted, and doesn't prove a thing to me regarding Haru except that his reasoning there has holes, but not necessarily scummy holes.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 16:20 GMT
#565
On August 05 2014 01:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
but that kind of doesn't apply in my logic where hf and gk in my opinion excessively rode on the -1 + 1


I made 1 post on the -1+1 and that wasn't even a reason to scum read him? my other post that you shut down was to do with him addressing a meta read with generalisations that did not apply to the actual meta read I made. The rest of my scum read is entirely to do with his contentless filter. Why are you making it sound like we're ott attacking him?


You automatically expect him to accept your argument and if he gives you his own interpretation, which he later thinks about again, he's supposed to be scummy for it.

Since your interpretation of Wave's entrance was in my opinion way too simple, like kush agreed with, then Haru doesn't really owe you an answer for why he wants to nullread Wave cause he doesn't believe your argument for *reasons*.

Plus, good luck showing that his filter has no content. It's a statement anyone can make but nobody can prove, good luck posting the nothingness you see.
__

I'm actually more interested into rolling out the WoS issue again.
He called you a straight out liar, although probably town, and says he could find such a thing in 80 % of his games.

You confidently said he wouldn't be able to.

What I miss here is a reaction to his post, trying to further push the issue. Are you really satisfied with you still being unsure about Wave when he gets mad at you and simply puts his word against yours? Did you lie or is he lying? Did he do it as town earlier or didn't he?
Vivax
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August 04 2014 16:35 GMT
#573
Here, you plebs:

I find Wave still scummy, discuss.

Emotional longish answer to HF that leads to nowhere between the two, and then a list of reads that reads like "here's my stuff, ok? Bye". It looks cooked and doesn't really say a thing, doesn't look for answers. That's my issue with that post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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August 04 2014 16:36 GMT
#574
On August 05 2014 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
It feels like some ancient philosophers are battling it out right now.


Thanks to you I ended up having chewed food on the floor.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 04 2014 17:02 GMT
#580
On August 05 2014 01:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 01:35 Vivax wrote:
Here, you plebs:

I find Wave still scummy, discuss.

Emotional longish answer to HF that leads to nowhere between the two, and then a list of reads that reads like "here's my stuff, ok? Bye". It looks cooked and doesn't really say a thing, doesn't look for answers. That's my issue with that post.

how familiar are you with Wave's play in general? Do you think this is out of the ordinary for him?


I don't know if he does that more often as either alignment, I just know that it seems hasty and that he seems content to sit on a conclusion and a not-conclusion without further inquiries, devoting most of his post to a call out to HF that doesn't really find resonance. It's almost as if he had made that last part in a hurry.

Then Eden asks him out more precisely about it, and Wave explains why Haru's post is scared scum, the backtrack and blahblah, and I don't know why I just don't like those posts of his after the big one.

Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.


If I look at Haru's post, I don't feel like he's being scared at all, he's simply conversing with HF and rethinking part of his argumentation loudly.

It's simply a complete one-sided representation of Haru's play here:

nullreads wave -> It's a defense for towncred
states that wave wouldn't be happy about rolling scum -> backtracking
backtracking -> scared scum
tries to get on everyone's good side

Not happy about this stuff at all.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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August 04 2014 19:34 GMT
#617
Hf what did wave do to give you such a strong preference of Haru over him.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 20:54 GMT
#652
On August 05 2014 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah a lot of weir pd shit surrounding. Haru
It really doesn't mseem that complicated to me, and I think people we're saying my posts about him were bad? Maybe Eden?
Gotta look back and refute dat shit when I get the chance


I did. I said that you only tried to put things from a scummy perspective that doesn't really seem to consider if he is indeed scum, cause there are also townie explanations for the behaviour.
Vivax
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August 04 2014 21:45 GMT
#679
WoS no progress on your haru reread?

Do me a favour and compare this statement with his filter:

On August 05 2014 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
i literally don't understand how anyone can look at haru's 3 PAGE FILTER and say that he has contributed anything but generic mafia responses of setup talk and asking people for their scum reads over and over again
Vivax
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August 04 2014 23:17 GMT
#728
On August 05 2014 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well I'll look over that along with vivaxs stuff soon
Probably a little over an hour
Don't go to sleep hun


Dude stop posting promises please, it looks terrible. A man townie just does stuff without telling us beforehand he's gonna do something, cause it's not some tiring work, it's his desire to solve the game that drives him.

I don't post this at every occasion but it's a recurring thing in your filter imho.
Vivax
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21959 Posts
August 04 2014 23:49 GMT
#743
Who is artanis
Vivax
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August 05 2014 00:01 GMT
#749
Artanis why can't you always be active like this and only when summoned
Vivax
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August 05 2014 00:49 GMT
#768
On August 05 2014 09:35 goodkarma wrote:
A couple people in my absence mentioned it was odd to them I wasn't present. Well, I'm back. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm not available to play this game with you every moment of the day.

I don't like lynching Haru anymore. And given Obi has recently posted semi-respectable non-troll posts, I'd like to give him a chance.

WoS/Poofter still look like good lynches. Both have promised posts soon. Feel free to ask me anything, but I'm waiting on these too to deliver said promised posts.


Yeah gimme a rundown of what changed your mind and how you feel about HF being so stubborn on Haru.
I found his post I quoted to be quite the stretch since I was able to find a couple of reads in Haru's filter. I admit not much but it still didn't warrant HF saying that the guy hasn't been doing anything.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 01:19 GMT
#771
Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment.

As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact.

Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 01:25 GMT
#773
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 01:46 GMT
#776
On August 05 2014 10:32 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment.

As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact.

Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example?


I actually can't recall a game where you haven't thought I'm scum. You must really really hate my playstyle...

I've told you exactly how I've read Haru. How a person comes off towny is a semi-subjective thing. Generally when a person curses and screams at their tunneler in the way Haru did it's a town response. It's not a foolproof read by any means, but reads of this ilk have historically served me well. If you're a skeptic, just go with my latter reason (he easily could have just made a scumread up). It's totally valid here. Haru isn't a good lynch today.

And saying you don't know who you want to lynch when the thread's already ~40 pages, and the day's half gone is pretty weak. If you were forced to choose now, who would it be? This question really isn't that hard.


I would be lying if I said I had no scumreads. I'm simply not confident into them yet. Still in the process of deciding on you and WoS, and that's evident, so don't call my play "weak" just cause I don't go guns blazing on you guys, which is something you should actually value if you are town, since I give myself space for reconsideration.

Implying I'm doing something scummy with what I'm doing in your regards isn't something I would expect from a townie in your position to be honest. You see this guy talking to his persons of interest, but not dead set on lynching them, and the first thing coming to your mind is that the play is "weak"?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 01:50 GMT
#777
Btw what's the super scummy stuff you talk about in regard to Haru, when I look at your filter I see you in conversation with him and when I asked you, you said you found it a bit odd what he was doing.

Not really a post where you showcase A to B how what he was doing was super scummy so if you really feel that way it might be a good time to display what it is.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 14:41 GMT
#1153
Marv wtf are you doing
Vivax
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August 05 2014 14:42 GMT
#1155
Like, you put it out there that I could be scum for some unknown reason, then some guy says something about him being indifferent about me and you go all like "yes, yes precisely", then kush says why he thinks I'm town and you go "he does that shit all the time at mafia".
Vivax
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August 05 2014 14:44 GMT
#1159
I'm just going to say this: I'm going to do my thing in the next hours, but if you think I'm scum then you've either become bad at this game or scum.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 14:59 GMT
#1171
On August 05 2014 23:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:53 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone mentioned that WoS' entry looks forced/forged. I agree that it looks like he thought about it before posting but it feels like normal WoS to me, though I haven't played a scumgame with him it wouldn't surprise me if it came from town.


Firstly, for someone who used meta reads on others early on, why do you leave a blank for scumreading wos? It is almost like you decided to not research into wos when earlier on, you mentioned that you did a ton of meta research.

I didn't do it for WoS because I was just pouring out reads at the time. I felt producing content quickly was more important than doing deep research, and I was hoping to spark a response with someone that was more knowledgable about wos' meta as he's played a lot of games in the past.


Kinda convoluted answer. You're saying "I had to do something and am not competent at reading WoS so I hoped somebody else who's better at reading WoS would talk about WoS if I posted about other people."

Aha, anything else?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:00 GMT
#1172
Marv is dumb and probably only chose me cause I still have the policy vote on him, ignore whatever stupid shit he says.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:02 GMT
#1177
On August 06 2014 00:00 Vivax wrote:
Marv is dumb and probably only chose me cause I still have the policy vote on him, ignore whatever stupid shit he says.


Besides, he didn't really say anything, he only put it out there that I could be scum and then started reinforcing people's opinions without adding much of his own.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:08 GMT
#1190
Sorry marv I'm always an asshole after I wake up from a nap.

Anyway I didn't find that TehPoofter case too bad to be honest, it was like the first time I saw myself agreeing with HF in this game, maybe ever.
Catchup post and 3 hours later he posts some random stuff about marv? He couldn't do more cause he had to do stuff? meeeeeeh
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:14 GMT
#1195
Don't like the Haru wagon for some reason. I feel that's where scum is more likely to be right at this moment. Kush probably town, Holyflare never sure, Haru doesn't give me scum feels.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:20 GMT
#1199
Gobble's case on Haru looks like a scumcase.
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August 05 2014 15:21 GMT
#1201
On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.

Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.


Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.


##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis


Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.

A while later, he posts this gem.

Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
aite here's where i am

not killing ever: Eden1892
not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook
don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH
indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
actively want to kill today:

the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out

there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one


Ill do it for you

Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently.

Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed.

Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this).

Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all.

Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking.

Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch.


Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
...

Scumville

Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.

Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.

Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.

Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.




Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is.

I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.



^ This one
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:31 GMT
#1212
It's actually I thought I had too, Gobble was very eager to let off of Artanis. Usually you don't just think "he has no content", you think "he has no content and that makes him scummy", which doesn't immediately lead you let off your target once he posts it.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:34 GMT
#1214
It must have been extraordinary content, which I don't think it was. I remember some post succession of like 4-5 posts, middle-sized, don't remember what he said in them but it was serious, after me and Eden asked for unlurk, not saying that he unlurked cause of us though.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:37 GMT
#1218
Haru u repeatin my posts, bad boy?
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August 05 2014 15:39 GMT
#1222
On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
  • Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  • List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  • Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  • In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)


It's funny though he explains the reason for why he should be scumreading Gobble there by himself.

I think your case is bullshit for a big part. Scum is more likely to invent bullshit instead of sheeping.
But you are not scum, let me correct you:
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:47 GMT
#1229
That surge in activity by Artanis does look kinda forced. It's like he came into the thread trying to poke in all directions to look like he's doing something, and even then he did it wrong somewhere and said he's terrible at the game.

I think I'm with Haru on this one. Marv strangely stubborn on him.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:47 GMT
#1230
Marv Artanis and Gobble?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:48 GMT
#1231
Yeah why do you want to give Artanis an extra day, tell us more.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:53 GMT
#1235
On August 04 2014 10:48 gobbledydook wrote:
Read haru's filter. It is certainly badly worded. But palmar's advice on mafia: the most boring person is mafia, is legit. Often ppl who say the worst things are town because they aren't actively trying to sound innocuous.



On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.


Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:53 GMT
#1237
The last post sounds simply like an intro to a fucking story, especially when you compare it with the earlier opinion.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:54 GMT
#1238
And it's the intro to his scumcase
Vivax
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August 05 2014 15:59 GMT
#1239
Marv please lynch me so all my shit gains the credibility required to fuck up you and your scum friends.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:01 GMT
#1242
I've also seen you play mafia in your better days.

Now you have one choice: You can try to cooperate with me and show to the thread why Gobble is scum or you can try doing your twisted thing and throw your evul comments at me while trying to lynch Haruboy and giving Artanis a free pass for no reason.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:02 GMT
#1243
That's two choices I write faster than I think lately.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:05 GMT
#1244
On August 04 2014 10:34 gobbledydook wrote:
I don't know. No reads so far.


On August 04 2014 10:48 gobbledydook wrote:
Read haru's filter. It is certainly badly worded. But palmar's advice on mafia: the most boring person is mafia, is legit. Often ppl who say the worst things are town because they aren't actively trying to sound innocuous.


Later:

A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.


On August 05 2014 23:08 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
  • Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  • List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  • Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  • In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)


Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant.


^ SCUM right here boys. Come get him.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:07 GMT
#1246
That's fine by me too I will spam this case on Gobble until the moment I get put into a grave, just so nobody forgets it.

If you manage to lynch me that is.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:08 GMT
#1248
You seem blind on the Gobble eye marv, at least outside of the qt.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:16 GMT
#1252
On August 06 2014 01:14 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax, scumteam is artanis/gobble/hf in case you didn't realize that yet


Maybe but we can't lynch them all three so help me out with convincing people why gobble is scum.

I already started by displaying how he claims different reads than his earlier ones when it comes to pushing haru.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:35 GMT
#1258
On August 06 2014 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 01:16 Vivax wrote:
On August 06 2014 01:14 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax, scumteam is artanis/gobble/hf in case you didn't realize that yet


Maybe but we can't lynch them all three so help me out with convincing people why gobble is scum.

I already started by displaying how he claims different reads than his earlier ones when it comes to pushing haru.

except all you had to do was read a bit further down his page 1 filter to see where he's sceptical of haru and that's clearly what he's talking about....


I don't care he is scum and all his arguments about Haru are made up, so is his case which just reads like the story it is.
The progression of his scumread on Haru just doesn't look right etc. etc., I stick to my guns even though you are partially right here, partially cause later he said:


went through haru's filter, not impressed.

First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum?


And at least the part about Wave already has been there when he said that he didn't find Haru particularly scummy. Yet on the later review he does, he actually calls it awkward.
He's just finding reasons to scumread Haru and that's evident.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 16:43 GMT
#1260
inventing*

Hail Grammar
Vivax
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August 05 2014 17:43 GMT
#1275
On August 06 2014 02:39 kushm4sta wrote:
yaa im changing my mind about gd


What's giving you the townie feels?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 18:11 GMT
#1282
On August 06 2014 03:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
meh fuck it

##VOTE: gobbledydook

i'm buying vivax's comment that the case on haru looked scum-driven, and tbh i don't understand how it is that at one point last night everyone itt was like "this dude looks scummy" but he never got a vote


A legitimate thing to go after him, but I don't think gd is a really good vote. I feel like he's just being clumsy and people are kind of picking him apart. I've seen his scumgame first hand, but I don't really feel like this is it.

Honestly, I think most of it stems from how he dealt with the Artanis wagon. Last game he was mafia, he went out and piled onto lynches for the worst reasons (going after me for randomly voting, then pushing Robik really hard because BH RNG'd him, etc) so I don't really see him letting Artanis off the hook when people are still strongly considering him today's lynch.


I prefer to focus on his opinion on Haru. That case of him simply gives me the hyperbole feeling, plus some instances where it looks like he scumreads him for stuff he didn't care about earlier.

And yes, he let off of Artanis rather quickly. Artanis came into the thread at some point, posted very mixed stuff that made him look like he was interested into scumhunting, and then peaced out with a gif. Seemed like a very minimalistic approach and if I were suspicious of Artanis before I wouldn't go full out "meh he has contributed now it's fine" without trying to look harder at the context or what he had wrote.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 18:14 GMT
#1283
Anyway Obi, you think we should let go of him to go after marv or what is your current objective?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 18:26 GMT
#1290
Not sure if you're town or scum based off this but going after 1 guy cause he self metaes himself as town isn't a sufficient reason to scumread somebody. I can see people of both alignments doing that and I might have resorted to it in the past when I was town as well though I cba to go back and prove it cause I don't want to take the meta ride right now. Same as marv self meta reads himself as not scum based on his past 2 games. I won't use that as a reason to scumread him but if you do it for Haru why don't you do it for your previous scumread marv???
Vivax
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August 05 2014 18:32 GMT
#1295
On August 06 2014 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 03:26 Vivax wrote:
Not sure if you're town or scum based off this but going after 1 guy cause he self metaes himself as town isn't a sufficient reason to scumread somebody. I can see people of both alignments doing that and I might have resorted to it in the past when I was town as well though I cba to go back and prove it cause I don't want to take the meta ride right now. Same as marv self meta reads himself as not scum based on his past 2 games. I won't use that as a reason to scumread him but if you do it for Haru why don't you do it for your previous scumread marv???


Marv has made good posts and asked good questions, and Haru hasn't.

It's that simple.


Do you think all scum make shitty posts and all town makes good posts?
You still have a long way to go.

You have to look at how people react to situations and if Gobble first soft defends haru and later scumreads him for a mix of reasons that already applied later when the wagon already has momentum you see that it's not a very townie reaction.

His post just feels like the sort of post CR made on Xata in titanic.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 18:37 GMT
#1298
Ninja vote from TehPoofter.

Can I call you TehPoo?
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:08 GMT
#1310
The guy has been "pressuring" people for a good portion of the game, but he's never really called people scum (until super-recently in a sheepish way). I find this really odd. The Vivax that liked to tunnel me in times past had no trouble doing so.

It's also worth mentioning that he hasn't really touched up on his old reads all that much. Especially me, which is significant given how much time he dedicated to pressuring me before.

In Marv I trust. Sheep sheep.


Bulk of GK's case.
Discuss.

- I don't call people scum whenever I suspect them so I'm scum.
- I don't tunnel although I tunneled earlier so I'm scum.
- I find Gobble to be the best option right now as opposed to WoS and GK so I'm scum
- Marv fandom so I'm scum.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:22 GMT
#1314
I think most of the reasons that have been used to scumread Haru have been very weak, starting from you nitpicking the -1 + 1 to GK echoing that, and then gobble adding his own mustard on top. Generally I am assuming that his wagon is today's scum wagon of choice, though it might become me cause marv has to prove his point by dickwaggling and not lynching scum, and scum can't miss that chance.

Next people on my wagon: Artanis and Gobble.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:23 GMT
#1315
Yeah marv might actually be town just for the 8 pages of filter.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:32 GMT
#1321
On August 06 2014 04:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I can't get behind Gobble as scum. I know I'm town and I see no reason why he'd abandon my wagon when there's still plenty of steam for it. The change in attitude when it was unnecessary makes no sense for him from a scum perspective.


There wasn't a reason for marv to push any townie over Xata in titanic and yet he did exactly that.
Faulty faulty reasoning.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:35 GMT
#1324
Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:42 GMT
#1326
On August 06 2014 04:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.

I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.


So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched?

It completely skips over any post analysis.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 19:50 GMT
#1335
On August 06 2014 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 04:42 Vivax wrote:
On August 06 2014 04:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.

I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.


So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched?

It completely skips over any post analysis.

I'm saying that given the amount of content he's provided and the amount of time he's spent in the thread I don't consider him a good lynch candidate even solely based off that, yes. On top of that, I think his initial read on me was warranted. He's one of the people I'm least interested in lynching today.


I would argue he's one of the guys who posted the least, if not THE guy who posted the least, so I don't see why now you use a post volume argument.
Vivax
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August 05 2014 20:18 GMT
#1361
On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.

Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.


Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.


##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis


Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.

A while later, he posts this gem.

Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote:
On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
aite here's where i am

not killing ever: Eden1892
not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook
don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH
indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
actively want to kill today:

the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out

there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one


Ill do it for you

Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently.

Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed.

Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this).

Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all.

Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking.

Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch.


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On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
...

Scumville

Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.

Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.

Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.

Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.




Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is.

I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.



This case is a scumcase.I'm not moving off this read ever. Seen enough of this shit to recognize it at the next glance.

Starting with the narrative with how he first found him scummy but then HF dissuaded him, then posts about Haru finding Artanis scummy for buddying I think WoS.

His argument here is that Haru is contradicting himself cause scum aren't supposed to associate, when his argument could as well have been that Artanis had no reason to be so carefree towards a guy most of the others were suspecting. One-sided interpretation of Haru's actions.

And then, the "gem". Haru posts a summary of his opinions on the possible scum. It's not exhaustive, it's not perfect, but it's there and it's a sort of commitment.

With the second last paragraph, that's formulated as if it's supposed to be the nail in the coffin before the stylish red name, he shows how little he actually cares whether haru is scum or not. The intent here is clear and it's fullout shitflinging. He takes all the stuff Haru has said about his scumreads and uses it against him trying to be witty.

This guy is scum, for this case, and if you're town with some experience you should be able to realize it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 20:20 GMT
#1365
I don't even give a fuck about any other wagons that's how I sure I am. Do what the hell you want, but this guy is scum and should be lynched and if you don't I'll just preach the same thing during the next day if I'm still alive.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 20:26 GMT
#1375
On August 06 2014 05:20 kushm4sta wrote:
yup im with you vivax. and even though that smoking gun may not have been a lie, it is still confirme bullshit.


Btw Kush I feel like you're the strongest active town player on TL at the moment, except for some minor bloopers I can't speak of you can really see stuff I'm unaware of. RESPECT.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 20:40 GMT
#1391
Eden just sheep me on Gobble.

Kush is confirmed town and me, I don't know why it has become so hard for people to townread me probably it's cause of Holyflare's constant shitflinging regardless of his alignment or cause it's not the mix of people I used to play with.

Anyway we're 100 % genuine town as is the case on Gobble.
No 100 % genuine town on Haru or on me so starting a policy wagon on Obi might not be wrong per se, but it's the wrong time when you have a case that equals a scumclaim from gobble.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 20:45 GMT
#1396
On August 06 2014 05:37 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 06 2014 04:22 Vivax wrote:
I think most of the reasons that have been used to scumread Haru have been very weak, starting from you nitpicking the -1 + 1 to GK echoing that, and then gobble adding his own mustard on top. Generally I am assuming that his wagon is today's scum wagon of choice, though it might become me cause marv has to prove his point by dickwaggling and not lynching scum, and scum can't miss that chance.

Next people on my wagon: Artanis and Gobble.

How were the reasons weak?

I literally got Haru to recant about half his case on gobbledy because he was bullshitting.


He wasn't bullshitting at all, the transition from Artanis scum to Artanis town cause of a few cranked out posts felt unnatural to me as well.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 20:48 GMT
#1405
On August 06 2014 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 06 2014 05:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 06 2014 05:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 06 2014 04:22 Vivax wrote:
I think most of the reasons that have been used to scumread Haru have been very weak, starting from you nitpicking the -1 + 1 to GK echoing that, and then gobble adding his own mustard on top. Generally I am assuming that his wagon is today's scum wagon of choice, though it might become me cause marv has to prove his point by dickwaggling and not lynching scum, and scum can't miss that chance.

Next people on my wagon: Artanis and Gobble.

How were the reasons weak?

I literally got Haru to recant about half his case on gobbledy because he was bullshitting.


He wasn't bullshitting at all, the transition from Artanis scum to Artanis town cause of a few cranked out posts felt unnatural to me as well.

he literally recanted part of his case because it was wrong. go see him do it in his filter


He agreed with you that Artanis produced content and hence he had a seemingly legitimate reason to let off of him, but he still said that the process didn't feel natural, with which I agree.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 20:49 GMT
#1407
On August 06 2014 05:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 05:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 06 2014 05:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 06 2014 04:22 Vivax wrote:
I think most of the reasons that have been used to scumread Haru have been very weak, starting from you nitpicking the -1 + 1 to GK echoing that, and then gobble adding his own mustard on top. Generally I am assuming that his wagon is today's scum wagon of choice, though it might become me cause marv has to prove his point by dickwaggling and not lynching scum, and scum can't miss that chance.

Next people on my wagon: Artanis and Gobble.

How were the reasons weak?

I literally got Haru to recant about half his case on gobbledy because he was bullshitting.


He wasn't bullshitting at all, the transition from Artanis scum to Artanis town cause of a few cranked out posts felt unnatural to me as well.

Are you kidding? He wasn't bullshitting when he called gobble scum for having the same reads he had?


Last time I checked I saw this:

On August 06 2014 00:20 HaruRH wrote:
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On August 06 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 06 2014 00:15 HaruRH wrote:
Amyway I got 10 minutes to answer any questions before I head off for bed. Ama.

Did you ever give an answer as to why gobble is scum for having the same scumreads you have? This is such a glaring contradiction.


Yes I did.

I mentioned it was a coincidence for us to have the same scumreads.

The method of getting these scumread was what I am critical about. The period of 'mehness' in between was also what I noticed the mostm

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:24 GMT
#1490
Where's WoS.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:24 GMT
#1491
He's seriously not trying to take any influence on the lynch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:39 GMT
#1501
Kush explained that part of Gobble's post better than I ever could.
Generalized buzzwords and that theatralic attitude.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:40 GMT
#1502
If you got a problem with me, Obipussy, lynch me and stop parrotting HF.

No matter what happens I'm not moving my vote ever.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:41 GMT
#1505
By the way my general policy with HF is to ignore everything he says unless I feel confident he's scum, and even then I don't talk to him but only push him.

Just in case you were wondering.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:43 GMT
#1512
On August 06 2014 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 06 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote:
By the way my general policy with HF is to ignore everything he says unless I feel confident he's scum, and even then I don't talk to him but only push him.

Just in case you were wondering.

This policy must be new. I remember you throwing ungodly amounts of words at him earlier.


Yea that's the lesson I've drawn from earlier.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:45 GMT
#1518
Marv you can still listen to Kush who has proven he has gained the ability to form godly reads.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:47 GMT
#1524
Artanis you know you will get lynched at some point if gobbly flips red?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:49 GMT
#1534
Yeah marv vote me.
Show your sick scumhunting skills to the game and let them see how my stuff came from confirmed town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:51 GMT
#1540
So basically you will have to look at people eyeing with the Gobble lynch but either being on the fence or finding some bullshit reason not to join it.

Or Artanis's shitty townread of him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:51 GMT
#1541
On August 06 2014 07:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Yeah marv vote me.
Show your sick scumhunting skills to the game and let them see how my stuff came from confirmed town.

This is so dumb.


No it's not, it proves how bad marv really is.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 05 2014 22:53 GMT
#1549
On August 06 2014 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 07:51 Vivax wrote:
On August 06 2014 07:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 06 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Yeah marv vote me.
Show your sick scumhunting skills to the game and let them see how my stuff came from confirmed town.

This is so dumb.


No it's not, it proves how bad marv really is.

you know i'm not bad, why are you even saying this?


I thought you were bad when you considered me as scum, and I thought you were bad when you didn't acknowledge the Gobble case, and I thought you were bad when you didn't try to lynch scum but people pissing you off.

You might not be bad always, but you will look like you were.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
August 13 2014 11:44 GMT
#4186
On August 13 2014 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
So Vivax called me bad and terrible multiple times for wanting to lynch mafia on day 1. Brilliant.

Grats scumteam, especially jat, you played great.


You wanted to lynch me for just thinking out loud that you could be scum, then said you could literally lynch me, then I told you to vote for me and called you bad.

Don't tell me you weren't fully omgus-driven that day (on another note it's interesting that you reacted very leniently when pushed for lynch in another game where you were mafia).
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