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Goobledybooble
On August 04 2014 10:48 gobbledydook wrote:
Read haru's filter. It is certainly badly worded. But palmar's advice on mafia: the most boring person is mafia, is legit. Often ppl who say the worst things are town because they aren't actively trying to sound innocuous.
This quote makes me wonder why he didn't come after me early along with everyone else. From everyone else's description of me I certainly should have fit the bill, no?
A bunch of decent posting talking about Artanis and kush, then this:
On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.
##vote: tehpoofter
I guess this is what everyone has a problem with, and I really do see it here. It looks as though he was almost looking for a reason to drop the read on Artanis. What the motivation is for that I'm not sure.
On August 05 2014 13:36 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 13:27 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 13:22 gobbledydook wrote:On August 05 2014 13:19 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.
##vote: tehpoofter Is this all you care to comment on after over a day of absence? AUS Timezone OP, also I have other things to do Is there anything specific you want me to comment on? Wave's case on Haru, Obi, Artansis, the meaning of life. Take your pick. There must have been something posted of interest to you between yesterday and today. 1) Haru: It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru. 2) Obi: Null read atm, he's played similarly to when I saw him in Noir Mini 2, and he was town in that game. He hasn't particularly stood out as towny though so that's why I have a null read. 3) Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him. 4) The meaning of life: 42.
Fairly innocuous comments here and no commitment to much of anything, #3 is a very slight fleshing out of why he unvoted Artanis.
On August 05 2014 18:27 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 05 2014 17:35 kushm4sta wrote:
hf,
just because he is scumreading some of the same people you are scumreading, that doesn't mean he's not or shouldn't be skeptical of you.
There's uncertainty and the possibility of buses that keep that from being a contradiction.
Any ideas about artanis? he is a major lynch candidate right now, and you have been silent about him. Point to me where he is even skeptical of me because i can point to you multiple times that he has called me town. Every post i make that accuses him he doesn't get more suspicious he just passes it off as something wrong instead. It's not normal conspiracy theorist wave. Artanis has done nothing, his posts were very artificial abd he's probably the best lynch. Thrre was that one post that made me skeptical of his alignment but his latest string of posts looks like some mafia that had to post some content to stay alive rather than someone trying to figure things out. I.E. Bringing up thing about jat but not continuing it, the random oh I'm being terrible into afking. When I talked about artanis being useful I was referring to Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 05 2014 00:33 Holyflare wrote:On August 05 2014 00:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I gave my own reasoning for townreading GK unrelated to what was already posted, I'm still scumreading Obi and I've given reasoning for scumreading Haru. I've also done a bunch of meta research.
And you're like 20 percent town. At best. your reason was the exact reason that I already gave by the way That's impossible as he just brought it up. He deflected marv's post by mentioning something about me super townreading wave for no good reason when if he had been paying attention he would've noticed that I mentioned townreading Wave from the get go. I even quoted it again when someone else asked it to me before. Bringing up this example felt awkward to begin with given his post so it makes no sense for him to do so unless he's trying to deflect. and Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 08:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 05 2014 03:32 kushm4sta wrote:On August 05 2014 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That's a pretty bad list kush. how do you know I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two. Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything. On August 05 2014 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
poofter town lean for posting relaxed and carefree like a townie
minor town lean tho he needs to actually do something or else he'll be on the radar by day's end
gobble i'd have to go look up specifics to give a coherent explanation but i remember his posts having a lot of clarity of direction to them. he seemed like he was playing open and like he wasn't holding anything back. just looks townie to me I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia. Which to me seems like legit discussion and good points made. Holyflare, forgive me for being dumb, but I don't quite follow your logic in dismissing Artanis's posts as being mafia filler. Can you please explain in detail? I'm sure I am missing out on some nuance here.
Better explanation. I'm REALLY not seeing scum here so far, and I'm fairly certain the reason for most scumreads on GD have already happened by now.
The rest of his filter is some ok posting, more stuff on Haru (I'm still salty nobody thinks to bring up any of my reasons to vote him but whatever) and then he goes all super rage defensive mode, something I personally find to be more likely from a new town perspective---he's not used to dealing with people aggressively attacking him and being wrong. It can be extremely frustrating to know you're in the right and you can't convince people.
Now kush is apparently the primary proponent of the GD lynch, so I'm looking at him as well. Fuck I kinda wish I had attempted to look into this earlier because I don't think I understand kush's main points. Apparently according to him GD is actively painting Haru in a scummy light a while ago with that post about Haru flinging shit at 7 people.
On August 07 2014 01:09 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 00:54 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 00:51 kushm4sta wrote:On August 07 2014 00:34 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations. maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it... right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping: On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy. that strikes me as a really meaningless distinction. can you explain for me why that's a meaningful enough distinction not only to warrant calling the missing of that distinction a misinterpretation, but a willful one? The reasons people give for their scumreads usually make up a very small percentage of their filters, but they are the most important parts of their filters by far. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Gobbles has this to say about it: Show nested quote +If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. According to Gobbles, Haru is suspicious of Artanis because Artanis is buddying with someone Haru thinks is scum.
That is not what Haru meant at all though. Haru meant that Artanis is suspicious because he's buddying someone he should have been skeptical of.That major misrepresentation, one that I doubt town would ever make, is the only specific reason gobbles gives for voting Haru.
Ok there we go. I've got it.
On August 07 2014 01:30 kushm4sta wrote:
On top of that, there is no scum hunting idea in gobbles filter that sticks out as "wow it would be hard for scum to think of that."
This is real good to. Fucking kush man.
Alright I think I finally have a grasp on this stuff. It looks like kush has a little bit of confirmation bias and some preflip associations going on in his head as he pretty adamantly believes GD to be scum chainsawing Haru to protect Artanis. I dunno he brings up a could of good points about GD but they're pretty inconclusive imo, and marv I'm honestly pretty surprised this is good enough for you to go ahead and sheep him on. To me GD is null at best/worst. I don't see anything majorly towny but I don't see the opposite either.
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On August 07 2014 15:23 goodkarma wrote:
@Wave: Super-long elaborate post for a... null read? U serious?
Night all
Problem?
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phoneposting atm
will be home in !~2h so people had better be around to discuss
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goddamn it marv
can you comment then on what you said recently about kush/gd
in my experience dead players reads are almost universally ignored
do you believe we should actually me following them this time because from what i read of kush im not entirely convinced, and even if i was it seems the onyl person who could keep that going is you
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epsecially after d1 and playing other games with you i realize the lynch is entirely up to your whims so often
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who is the most likely scum member on kush's proposed scumteam
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thread needs to be less euro plz
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what should i be looking at specifically
looks like a coinflip to me
leaving now, on computer soon
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On August 08 2014 01:06 Eden1892 wrote:
To me Poofter's filter would be a coin flip, except that the fact that it would be a coin flip at this point means that it's not a coin flip
I would expect a townie to have done more to distinguish himself by now
This is a valid point I guess. AFK to me = coinflip but whatever there is a little more to it. I could swear I remember playing in a game with Poofter as scum and his play wasn't this horrible.
Fuck there was something I wanted to talk about before I left and now i can't remember what it was
Anyway I'm around now.
Lot of people throwing around Haru's name like 'I wanna lynch him/he's scum but...'
It's worrisome. I think I said I'd sheep HF on Poofter a little while ago. Looking back at that I found this
On August 05 2014 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey HF, now that you've unvoted Poofter do you no longer believe he is the lynch for today? Your mind was changed pretty quick. Are you going to inform the rest of the people on poofter's ass now about his newfound non-scumminess?
and then this
On August 05 2014 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
WoS keep in mind that rayn thinks HF is like the best mafia player ever. That says a lot about what HF's mafia play looks like.
and then these
On August 05 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:
When i read through the thread i thought to myself "why are so many ppl sheeping me onto poofter so easily instead of just figuring shit out" then i was like hey they're probably mafia. Gd was one of those ppl.
On August 05 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:
Wave was another
Which was another blatant lie of yours since I immediately caught your ninja unvote at that time and wanted to know what was up. Wouldn't call that sheeping easily.
HF you're right in your overly pushy 'rawr I'm super angry pay attention to me' way that there are better targets than you but there are problems. Eden says he won't lynch you till LYLO but the problem is much like me, marv and a few others, you are damn near impossible to lynch. You're not today's lynch that's for sure but if I had to choose one person kush was right about, I really think it's you.
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On August 08 2014 01:58 Holyflare wrote:
Wave i just don't care and it's scummy you are talking about it
I told you if you think I'm scum then vote me but stop discussing me because I'm NOT scum so it's redundant in finding actual mafia and i want this day to be productive
First of all, I'll discuss whatever I fucking want to.
There's more than one scum HF, and this day has been plenty productive so far, but all you do is bitch about how unproductive everything is all the time, and piss and moan when people don't take what you shove down their throats.
Now, go ahead and piss and moan about Poofter to me if you're 100% he's not a coinflip and we should be voting him today because as of right now I think I'd still prefer Haru over him.
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On August 08 2014 02:01 Holyflare wrote:
Just because you caught my unvote doesn't make it a lie. You said you'd sheep me before i unvoted and gd did a scummy sheep and gk sheeped straight away too. It waas pretty unreal and so i unvoted. I didn't even make a real case and all of that happened. Hence i backed off (also when poofter said something about how i should town read him) poofter goes afk as mafia and i left it to muster a bit and here we are
I said I'd sheep you if things continued as is and Haru didn't pan out. It was conditional and those conditions were never met. If you found what GD/GK did so scummy as well, why did you not bother to follow up?
And where the fuck IS GK?
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On August 08 2014 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
How has this day been productive in the slightest?? I'm the only one that has even proposed any lynch whatsoever.
Enough with this horseshit, you've been doing it all game. People are still discussing things and considering what to do when they're around.
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On August 08 2014 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
No they aren't rofl stop being shit you aren't reading whatsoever. To sum this day up:
Haru enters in all caps how awesome he is because ppl scum read him
I make a case
Eden decides he'll sheep me
Gd decides he'll sheep me
Marv decides he'll afk all day and read filters later
Onegu scum reads marv and afks till later
You return and talk more about me and call poofter a coin flip
Where is the productivity wave plz? Stop calling it horse shit and terrible. Just like you can talk about what you want so can i. Nothing has happened today apart from me making a case.
Yeah if you look at it from a completely self-centred POV nothing has happened because you ignore any of the discussion around you and you're not considering the few contributions people have made when here as anything at all.
For example the fact that Onegu comes in here, catches up and posts, and then makes a case on marv is stupid/ballsy but productive because it should allow people to get a decent read on him.
Who here has actually attempted to read Onegu, in this game aside from me btw?
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On August 08 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
You can't just call poofter a coin flip because if you actually read his filter you'd realise how unproductive it is. I'm going back to my heuristic and i don't care what you do in your town games or what onegu thinks about calling something 100% being scummy. I'm town get fucked. People that do catch ups and focus on asinine shit and make irrelevant posts while doing it are mafia. Until that's proven wrong it's 100%. His list reads contain no info, all i know id that he's scum reading marv because what? Fear? Failed to expand list reads. Returns from afk not caught up again and then asks for generic town reads instead.
No involvement in the game. No care what happens, no follow us with anything. Reads not changing or evolving.
You calling any of this a coin flip is terrible
No it's not HF.
It's what afk people DO most of the time when they don't have time/can't be assed to contribute properly; they contribute like shit.
How many games have you played on TL exactly that this is somehow news to you?
Can you show me examples of your 100% heuristic?
Like seriously I'll vote Poofter but it doesn't seem much better than slightly above glorified lurker to me at this point.
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On August 08 2014 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
How about instead of arguing about how productive this game has been we talk about who wen want to lynch.
You've been around today and I don't know who you want to lynch. Is it also Poofter?
Do you agree with HF that Poofter is not a coinflip at all?
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On August 08 2014 02:19 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is not productive. Calling marv mafia for not being night killed was bad because it means he hasn't been reading. It was obvious kush was a nk because he was pushing stuff and nobody else was and i can't see how you can read it as productive when there are much scummier ppl than that. He also voted marv for that lame reason over me despite wanting to write a whole case on me.
So is Onegu scum then? At the very least I feel he is putting genuine effort into the catchup/reads in his own Onegu-y way and like I said whether or not he is wrong (or dumb) the productivity at least in this instance in his posting itself.
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On August 08 2014 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 02:21 Holyflare wrote:On August 08 2014 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:On August 08 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
You can't just call poofter a coin flip because if you actually read his filter you'd realise how unproductive it is. I'm going back to my heuristic and i don't care what you do in your town games or what onegu thinks about calling something 100% being scummy. I'm town get fucked. People that do catch ups and focus on asinine shit and make irrelevant posts while doing it are mafia. Until that's proven wrong it's 100%. His list reads contain no info, all i know id that he's scum reading marv because what? Fear? Failed to expand list reads. Returns from afk not caught up again and then asks for generic town reads instead.
No involvement in the game. No care what happens, no follow us with anything. Reads not changing or evolving.
You calling any of this a coin flip is terrible My opinion on the catch up thing: It is not scummy in itself. It depends how it is done. If someone makes a big deal of it (every comment a new post for example) and only comments on by now irrelevant stuff then that is fucking scummy and reminds me of Darthpunk. Poofter kinda did that. That is what I'm saying Seemed more like you were condemning catchups in general but ok.
This pretty much but fine, clarification.
Why does the afk thing not apply to Poofter exactly?
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On August 08 2014 02:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 08 2014 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
How about instead of arguing about how productive this game has been we talk about who wen want to lynch. You've been around today and I don't know who you want to lynch. Is it also Poofter? Do you agree with HF that Poofter is not a coinflip at all? Poofter is only a coinflip if you are saying that lurky people are generally coinflips and I disagree with that.
In my experience it is (or maybe I'm just think of the lurky lynches I have headed, admittedly). People like gumshoe and Onegu for example. Yes Poofter is different from those but I've been burned on this shit quite a lot and ultimately I'm more satisfied with Haru, who is also admittedly moving into lurk territory.
Ugh maybe now I'm beginning to see why people have been complaining so much so far this game now that I can actually get some of my proper activity in
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On August 08 2014 02:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 08 2014 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:On August 08 2014 02:21 Holyflare wrote:On August 08 2014 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:On August 08 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
You can't just call poofter a coin flip because if you actually read his filter you'd realise how unproductive it is. I'm going back to my heuristic and i don't care what you do in your town games or what onegu thinks about calling something 100% being scummy. I'm town get fucked. People that do catch ups and focus on asinine shit and make irrelevant posts while doing it are mafia. Until that's proven wrong it's 100%. His list reads contain no info, all i know id that he's scum reading marv because what? Fear? Failed to expand list reads. Returns from afk not caught up again and then asks for generic town reads instead.
No involvement in the game. No care what happens, no follow us with anything. Reads not changing or evolving.
You calling any of this a coin flip is terrible My opinion on the catch up thing: It is not scummy in itself. It depends how it is done. If someone makes a big deal of it (every comment a new post for example) and only comments on by now irrelevant stuff then that is fucking scummy and reminds me of Darthpunk. Poofter kinda did that. That is what I'm saying Seemed more like you were condemning catchups in general but ok. This pretty much but fine, clarification. Why does the afk thing not apply to Poofter exactly? Hm? If by afk thing you mean that lurkers are coinflips then I think it doesn't apply that often at all. Poofter did next to nothing to make this game move forward even when he was here.
No I was referring to this
On August 08 2014 02:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 08 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
You can't just call poofter a coin flip because if you actually read his filter you'd realise how unproductive it is. I'm going back to my heuristic and i don't care what you do in your town games or what onegu thinks about calling something 100% being scummy. I'm town get fucked. People that do catch ups and focus on asinine shit and make irrelevant posts while doing it are mafia. Until that's proven wrong it's 100%. His list reads contain no info, all i know id that he's scum reading marv because what? Fear? Failed to expand list reads. Returns from afk not caught up again and then asks for generic town reads instead.
No involvement in the game. No care what happens, no follow us with anything. Reads not changing or evolving.
You calling any of this a coin flip is terrible No it's not HF. It's what afk people DO most of the time when they don't have time/can't be assed to contribute properly; they contribute like shit. How many games have you played on TL exactly that this is somehow news to you? Can you show me examples of your 100% heuristic? Like seriously I'll vote Poofter but it doesn't seem much better than slightly above glorified lurker to me at this point. This doesn't apply to poofter and he had plenty of time day 1 to not look shit. The day he normally looks best on.
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