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On August 04 2014 10:34 gobbledydook wrote:
I don't know. No reads so far.
On August 04 2014 10:48 gobbledydook wrote:
Read haru's filter. It is certainly badly worded. But palmar's advice on mafia: the most boring person is mafia, is legit. Often ppl who say the worst things are town because they aren't actively trying to sound innocuous.
Later:
A case on HaruRH:
Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.
On August 05 2014 23:08 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant.
^ SCUM right here boys. Come get him.
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That's fine by me too I will spam this case on Gobble until the moment I get put into a grave, just so nobody forgets it.
If you manage to lynch me that is.
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You seem blind on the Gobble eye marv, at least outside of the qt.
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On August 06 2014 01:14 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax, scumteam is artanis/gobble/hf in case you didn't realize that yet
Maybe but we can't lynch them all three so help me out with convincing people why gobble is scum.
I already started by displaying how he claims different reads than his earlier ones when it comes to pushing haru.
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On August 06 2014 01:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 01:16 Vivax wrote:On August 06 2014 01:14 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax, scumteam is artanis/gobble/hf in case you didn't realize that yet Maybe but we can't lynch them all three so help me out with convincing people why gobble is scum. I already started by displaying how he claims different reads than his earlier ones when it comes to pushing haru. except all you had to do was read a bit further down his page 1 filter to see where he's sceptical of haru and that's clearly what he's talking about....
I don't care he is scum and all his arguments about Haru are made up, so is his case which just reads like the story it is.
The progression of his scumread on Haru just doesn't look right etc. etc., I stick to my guns even though you are partially right here, partially cause later he said:
went through haru's filter, not impressed.
First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum?
And at least the part about Wave already has been there when he said that he didn't find Haru particularly scummy. Yet on the later review he does, he actually calls it awkward.
He's just finding reasons to scumread Haru and that's evident.
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On August 06 2014 02:39 kushm4sta wrote:
yaa im changing my mind about gd
What's giving you the townie feels?
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On August 06 2014 03:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
meh fuck it
##VOTE: gobbledydook
i'm buying vivax's comment that the case on haru looked scum-driven, and tbh i don't understand how it is that at one point last night everyone itt was like "this dude looks scummy" but he never got a vote A legitimate thing to go after him, but I don't think gd is a really good vote. I feel like he's just being clumsy and people are kind of picking him apart. I've seen his scumgame first hand, but I don't really feel like this is it. Honestly, I think most of it stems from how he dealt with the Artanis wagon. Last game he was mafia, he went out and piled onto lynches for the worst reasons (going after me for randomly voting, then pushing Robik really hard because BH RNG'd him, etc) so I don't really see him letting Artanis off the hook when people are still strongly considering him today's lynch.
I prefer to focus on his opinion on Haru. That case of him simply gives me the hyperbole feeling, plus some instances where it looks like he scumreads him for stuff he didn't care about earlier.
And yes, he let off of Artanis rather quickly. Artanis came into the thread at some point, posted very mixed stuff that made him look like he was interested into scumhunting, and then peaced out with a gif. Seemed like a very minimalistic approach and if I were suspicious of Artanis before I wouldn't go full out "meh he has contributed now it's fine" without trying to look harder at the context or what he had wrote.
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Anyway Obi, you think we should let go of him to go after marv or what is your current objective?
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Not sure if you're town or scum based off this but going after 1 guy cause he self metaes himself as town isn't a sufficient reason to scumread somebody. I can see people of both alignments doing that and I might have resorted to it in the past when I was town as well though I cba to go back and prove it cause I don't want to take the meta ride right now. Same as marv self meta reads himself as not scum based on his past 2 games. I won't use that as a reason to scumread him but if you do it for Haru why don't you do it for your previous scumread marv???
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On August 06 2014 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 03:26 Vivax wrote:
Not sure if you're town or scum based off this but going after 1 guy cause he self metaes himself as town isn't a sufficient reason to scumread somebody. I can see people of both alignments doing that and I might have resorted to it in the past when I was town as well though I cba to go back and prove it cause I don't want to take the meta ride right now. Same as marv self meta reads himself as not scum based on his past 2 games. I won't use that as a reason to scumread him but if you do it for Haru why don't you do it for your previous scumread marv??? Marv has made good posts and asked good questions, and Haru hasn't. It's that simple.
Do you think all scum make shitty posts and all town makes good posts?
You still have a long way to go.
You have to look at how people react to situations and if Gobble first soft defends haru and later scumreads him for a mix of reasons that already applied later when the wagon already has momentum you see that it's not a very townie reaction.
His post just feels like the sort of post CR made on Xata in titanic.
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Ninja vote from TehPoofter.
Can I call you TehPoo?
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The guy has been "pressuring" people for a good portion of the game, but he's never really called people scum (until super-recently in a sheepish way). I find this really odd. The Vivax that liked to tunnel me in times past had no trouble doing so.
It's also worth mentioning that he hasn't really touched up on his old reads all that much. Especially me, which is significant given how much time he dedicated to pressuring me before.
In Marv I trust. Sheep sheep.
Bulk of GK's case.
Discuss.
- I don't call people scum whenever I suspect them so I'm scum.
- I don't tunnel although I tunneled earlier so I'm scum.
- I find Gobble to be the best option right now as opposed to WoS and GK so I'm scum
- Marv fandom so I'm scum.
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I think most of the reasons that have been used to scumread Haru have been very weak, starting from you nitpicking the -1 + 1 to GK echoing that, and then gobble adding his own mustard on top. Generally I am assuming that his wagon is today's scum wagon of choice, though it might become me cause marv has to prove his point by dickwaggling and not lynching scum, and scum can't miss that chance.
Next people on my wagon: Artanis and Gobble.
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Yeah marv might actually be town just for the 8 pages of filter.
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On August 06 2014 04:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I can't get behind Gobble as scum. I know I'm town and I see no reason why he'd abandon my wagon when there's still plenty of steam for it. The change in attitude when it was unnecessary makes no sense for him from a scum perspective.
There wasn't a reason for marv to push any townie over Xata in titanic and yet he did exactly that.
Faulty faulty reasoning.
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Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.
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On August 06 2014 04:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere. I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.
So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched?
It completely skips over any post analysis.
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On August 06 2014 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 04:42 Vivax wrote:On August 06 2014 04:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere. I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster. So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched? It completely skips over any post analysis. I'm saying that given the amount of content he's provided and the amount of time he's spent in the thread I don't consider him a good lynch candidate even solely based off that, yes. On top of that, I think his initial read on me was warranted. He's one of the people I'm least interested in lynching today.
I would argue he's one of the guys who posted the least, if not THE guy who posted the least, so I don't see why now you use a post volume argument.
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:A case on HaruRH:Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
aite here's where i am
not killing ever: Eden1892
not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook
don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH
indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
actively want to kill today:
the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out
there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently.
Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed.
Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this).
Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all.
Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking.
Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
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Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is.I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.
This case is a scumcase.I'm not moving off this read ever. Seen enough of this shit to recognize it at the next glance.
Starting with the narrative with how he first found him scummy but then HF dissuaded him, then posts about Haru finding Artanis scummy for buddying I think WoS.
His argument here is that Haru is contradicting himself cause scum aren't supposed to associate, when his argument could as well have been that Artanis had no reason to be so carefree towards a guy most of the others were suspecting. One-sided interpretation of Haru's actions.
And then, the "gem". Haru posts a summary of his opinions on the possible scum. It's not exhaustive, it's not perfect, but it's there and it's a sort of commitment.
With the second last paragraph, that's formulated as if it's supposed to be the nail in the coffin before the stylish red name, he shows how little he actually cares whether haru is scum or not. The intent here is clear and it's fullout shitflinging. He takes all the stuff Haru has said about his scumreads and uses it against him trying to be witty.
This guy is scum, for this case, and if you're town with some experience you should be able to realize it.
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