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On August 07 2014 06:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 05:08 Eden1892 wrote:
I've been sitting on it because I figured I could've found better. But I can't find something more convincing than my gut. Good enough though. Like my idol said:
"I know I got to be right now
Cause I can't get much wronger
Man I been waitin all night now
That's how long I've been on ya" If this is true everything you've said all nigjt has been a complete lie. Your 8 step bs, your argument with obi, your statements. All bs.
I don't think you understand what the word "lie" means, which isn't a shock considering that you've misrepresented other people's statements throughout the game too
I've had these reservations, I just ignored them because I felt like they didn't add up. I fucking talked about this already lmao
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?page=96#1908
Your desperation is showing
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On August 07 2014 06:25 kushm4sta wrote:
ok HF how did vivax lie?
i'm divorcing poofter and marrying you instead
$20 says Vivax didn't lie since he flipped town gg
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Whatcha gonna do about it, scumread me? You know I'm town and you know you're not getting me lynched. I don't give a fuck if you buy it.
This whole game has been full of bad play dude, mine most of all. I've been calling the Vivax lynch dumb since the moment I realized it happened and if I'd been around at EOD I would have tried to fight it. What kind of argument is this, anyway? "People listened to me therefore it's good?" Nah people listening to it makes it convincing
Marv sheeped you cause he was mad at Vivax for being a dick and felt something you said had merit and then a bunch of people sheeped Marv cause he's Marv. S h r u g.
Yep, I changed my mind about the wagon, too bad so sad. What'd you want me to do, keep sticking with an angle that wasn't giving me any answers? I'm sure that would help town
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K
it didn't gg
I hate armchair quarterbacks but it really needs to be said, the Vivax lynch was bad. I'm actually kinda amazed that Holyflare actually tried to defend himself with "If my arguments were so bad why'd they convince people to follow me?" when anyone who's been around mafia for a while knows that your arguments don't have to be good to be convincing. If they did scum would never win
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On August 07 2014 06:36 Holyflare wrote:
What terrible stuff are you spouting? I'm saying you're scum reading the person making arguments rather than the people who are sheeping those arguments. If they were weak the people sheeping them should be MORE scummy to you than me because they are sheeping bad arguments. Also i brought all the people to consider vivax maybe you shpuld reread. Yes marv switched and everyone else did but before then they were all agreeing with me.
Nope, and you know better than this, too. The thread has been suffering from a lack of coherent direction this whole game. We were shitting ourselves the last 24 hours trying to find a majority lynch target. Especially when not getting a majority = no lynch, I'm not shocked, at all, that townies would sheep a mediocre or even bad case to get somewhere. Haru was the lead wagon for the final few hours of the game, but then people started getting spooked about it, no surprise at all that townies freak out and move.
No reason to find the sheep any more or less suspicious than the shepherd. And it's you that I've had an issue with. Vivax didn't lie. The force of your arguments is wildly disproportionate to the soundness of your reads imo. It's not just that you're pushing something you nominally believe, it's that you're pushing it further and more stringently than I would expect a townie to do.
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Anyway the stuff I'm spouting about you not being able to scumread or lynch me is pretty simple, you said "I don't buy it" in regard to my change of heart. What the hell are you gonna do about it? I still want an answer to this.
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Marv, you want to take a leap of faith? Trust in kush
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I flat out have no fucking clue what lie you're talking about, HF. I'm reading Vivax's filter for the source material and nothing you're talking about wrt Vivax +1-1 sounds like anything he actually said.
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On August 07 2014 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
Read vivax filter all he does when he mentions me is mention the - 1+1 thing.
Lynch All Liars
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Less cheeky response: I ctrl-f "-1" on his filter and he didn't focus on you using the +1-1 thing "excessively" to a very significant extent. He said he disagreed with that particular argument a few times, and made a litany of other posts unrelated to it. He talked about you without making reference to it. I do not get what you're getting at
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Holyflare is at best grossly misremembering or misreading Vivax's filter and at worst outright bullshitting about Vivax's filter at this point. And it's exactly what I'm talking about with his arguments. He takes an example Vivax cites a few times as an example of an argument he didn't like, spins it into "Vivax did nothing but talk about this" and then assigns the worst possible motive to it to get him lynched. It's no wonder Vivax got mad and martyred.
Marv, reread Vivax's filter, try very very hard not to get mad at Vivax being mean at the end, and tell me honestly that Holyflare is being honest or correct in summarizing Vivax's posting. He's not.
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Well HF is scum which means the scum team probably locked in a kill on you 23 hrs ago. At the very least give kush the seal of approval you gave earlier, if you trusted his skills so much with gobble why not now? Not like his skills disappeared in the last few hours
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Yeah to be fair to HF "you're just defending yourself now" is BS
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On August 07 2014 07:12 Holyflare wrote:
Who uses exaggerations? Mafia does.
Lmao you realize you exaggerated the shit out of your point on Vivax to get him lynched right?
Fuck I'm gonna give you a chance to revisit that when you're on a computer. I refuse to believe you actually slipped and assume you just worded that badly because you're on your phone and typing on a phone blows.
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** your point = the point about +1-1 or whatever
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On August 07 2014 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah to be fair to HF "you're just defending yourself now" is BS No, it's not. It is just a fact.
No I mean
Aite I might have misread you but what I mean is it looked like you were getting on his case for just defending himself like it's shady
If I'm misreading, my bad
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You keep calling the Vivax -1+1 thing a lie when it very obviously isn't to any charitable interpretation of what he said (and a charitable interpretation is merited, since he flipped town), that's exaggeration. You turn around and say "who exaggerates? mafia".
Do you understand what I'm saying here? I really do want to revisit the point you're trying to make here when you're at a computer and can spell it out more, because the way you put it flat-out incriminates yourself and so I'm forced to assume you don't mean what you were trying to say the way you said it.
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On August 07 2014 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
This whole +1-1 thing needs to stop. This garbage argument exists since ancient times when philosophers had nothing better to do than ramble all day. I don't think there will ever be anything useful that comes out of this.
Thank you, Great Arbiter Of Discussion
Please endow me with your Most Holy Wisdom and transcribe upon the arteries of my still-beating heart the names of Thy Three Scummiest Enemies
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On August 07 2014 07:24 gobbledydook wrote:
I just want to ask you all a question. What are you going to do after you mislynch me? Does it help you at all?
uh.
wtf lol
preeeetty sure i've been trying to rally around killing holyflare instead of you
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