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So let's continue where we left off
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you guys give people with reputation way too much leeway to be useless
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On August 07 2014 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
So let's continue where we left off
that being
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On August 07 2014 01:12 Eden1892 wrote:
you guys give people with reputation way too much leeway to be useless
Marv hasn't been useless. He just told us that he might be somewhat useless in the near future.
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That onegu is ACTUALLY doing some misrepresentation
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the thing is, Eden can't possibly believe i'm mafia after my play so far this game, and he can't possibly believe i'm mafia for acting like a stubborn child.
so he's basically just annoyed that i'm not doing what he thinks i should be doing, which is pointless.
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And don't even focus on marv he's said way too many things re:vivax/gobble etc that I've been thinking to be mafia
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meh tbh i got the same vibe at a couple of points. i ignored it because i figured if you were town it would work itself out, and later because i felt your push on Vivax was pretty townie
imma wait for him to finish catching up and see where he stands before i worry about it. but go ahead in the meantime
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On August 07 2014 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
the thing is, Eden can't possibly believe i'm mafia after my play so far this game, and he can't possibly believe i'm mafia for acting like a stubborn child.
so he's basically just annoyed that i'm not doing what he thinks i should be doing, which is pointless.
Pointless but very understandable.
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On August 07 2014 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
That onegu is ACTUALLY doing some misrepresentation
Like what?
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On August 07 2014 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
the thing is, Eden can't possibly believe i'm mafia after my play so far this game, and he can't possibly believe i'm mafia for acting like a stubborn child.
so he's basically just annoyed that i'm not doing what he thinks i should be doing, which is pointless.
i totally fucking can believe the latter, don't think it hasn't crossed my mind. you're right about the former and the former carries a lot more weight with any rational human being
but it has nothing to do with me. how does not having any leads and not trying to find anymore, being content instead to rest on a self-described leap-of-faith sheep read onto one scum when there are three to catch, constitute what you should be doing as a townie? like objectively that does not advance your win con
if you're just pushing my buttons i've got a deal for you so please if that's it just say so now
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On August 05 2014 15:17 Eden1892 wrote:
Post count signal boost
Also please for the love of god stop this.
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lynching mafia advances my wincon, and evidently right now i think sheeping kush is my best chance at lynching mafia
QED
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you're probably going to see like 10 more of those, brace yourself
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On August 07 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
lynching mafia advances my wincon, and evidently right now i think sheeping kush is my best chance at lynching mafia
QED
false dilemma. the choice is not "sheep kush" vs "find more leads." you can do both and a townie should do both if they both advance your wincon
unless finding more leads somehow doesn't advance wincon... that's a tough sell, can you do it?
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i'm so glad eden is here to teach me how to play town
don't know what i'd do without him
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On August 07 2014 01:10 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 01:09 kushm4sta wrote:On August 07 2014 00:54 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 00:51 kushm4sta wrote:On August 07 2014 00:34 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations. maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it... right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping: On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy. that strikes me as a really meaningless distinction. can you explain for me why that's a meaningful enough distinction not only to warrant calling the missing of that distinction a misinterpretation, but a willful one? The reasons people give for their scumreads usually make up a very small percentage of their filters, but they are the most important parts of their filters by far. On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Gobbles has this to say about it: If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. According to Gobbles, Haru is suspicious of Artanis because Artanis is buddying with someone Haru thinks is scum. That is not what Haru meant at all though. Haru meant that Artanis is suspicious because he's buddying someone he should have been skeptical of. That major misrepresentation, one that I doubt town would ever make, is the only specific reason gobbles gives for voting Haru. ok, i see how that's a misinterpretation, but i don't see how it's "a major misrepresentation, one that i doubt town would ever make." think about it, you just had to explain to me how it's a misinterpretation. meaning that i, too, interpreted it the same way gobble did. am i scum?
I don't think you interpreted it the same way Gobble did. Just because the misrepresentation is hard to recognize doesn't make it likely for town to make it.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Eden, when you read that you thought Haru was saying that artanis is scummy for buddying scum?
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On August 07 2014 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
i'm so glad eden is here to teach me how to play town
don't know what i'd do without him
well, you know, those who can't do...
why are you doing this?
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kush ignoring the hilariously pointless argument in-thread.
I love it.
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On August 07 2014 01:25 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 01:10 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 01:09 kushm4sta wrote:On August 07 2014 00:54 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 00:51 kushm4sta wrote:On August 07 2014 00:34 Eden1892 wrote:On August 07 2014 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations. maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it... right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping: On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy. that strikes me as a really meaningless distinction. can you explain for me why that's a meaningful enough distinction not only to warrant calling the missing of that distinction a misinterpretation, but a willful one? The reasons people give for their scumreads usually make up a very small percentage of their filters, but they are the most important parts of their filters by far. On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Gobbles has this to say about it: If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. According to Gobbles, Haru is suspicious of Artanis because Artanis is buddying with someone Haru thinks is scum. That is not what Haru meant at all though. Haru meant that Artanis is suspicious because he's buddying someone he should have been skeptical of. That major misrepresentation, one that I doubt town would ever make, is the only specific reason gobbles gives for voting Haru. ok, i see how that's a misinterpretation, but i don't see how it's "a major misrepresentation, one that i doubt town would ever make." think about it, you just had to explain to me how it's a misinterpretation. meaning that i, too, interpreted it the same way gobble did. am i scum? I don't think you interpreted it the same way Gobble did. Just because the misrepresentation is hard to recognize doesn't make it likely for town to make it. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Eden, when you read that you thought Haru was saying that artanis is scummy for buddying scum?
oh never mind, no i didn't. LOL
i maintain that it's a reasonable mistake for town to make though. i had to think it through a little bit
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