EPTOn August 02 2014 05:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
Make sure everyone knows you didn't vote on mafia
Make sure everyone knows you didn't vote on mafia
And you know he's not mafia because... ?
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On August 02 2014 07:26 Tehpoofter wrote: SeeYaLater Seeyatoobschat - Will be your new name if you don't step it up today. I don't even get what it's supposed to mean. You so far has been coasting for lack of a better word. You came out with this stance of not giving any mafia reads and working from a point of trying to find townies. Its a philosophy that I in general find scummy. I'll 100% admit for the most part to be coasting after I reconsidered my early push on Teemu. Your reads posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2014 12:31 Seeyalater wrote: All right off work and have full stomach so here is my current B/M/K list. Bang- Lilwade- After going through his filter earlier today to see his interactions with others, specially our confirmed mafia, Lilwade is currently sitting at the top of my top town his. I was unsure about him yesterday and I think I put him on town leaning mafia early on, and while he did say some really odd things, such as the whole "role/roll" thing with Poofter, his early push on Clockwork makes me put him highly on my town list. Jenny- Jenny has actually dropped a peg for me, still at the top of the hill, but I always mistrust when a lot of people think someone is top town, unless there's a cop who greens them. It just makes me wary. Also the posting style has changed from the beggining of the game, where a lot of her posts were her defensively stating where she was, to almost too confident posts about now, but that could just be, for the lack of better term, "ego" of being called top town by everyone. Again still town sided for me, but I'm very wary that she could just be pocketing tons of others too. Lord Tolkien- While out of the remaining people he might be one of the 2 people who have talked the least, I still get the heavy town vibe I got from him when he first spoke up. He seems to mainly be here to chew gum and kick mafia butt, and he's fresh out of lemonade. Hoping we hear more from him as well! Marry- Poofter- As I've stated before, him being a very veteran player always puts me on edge when it comes to him. I really don't like how he has basically elected himself town mayor for lack of better term. While he does have substanciated reads, he speaks in absolutes, that would make it easy to pocket others. Like Jenny, until a green check comes to him from a trustworthy source, Im going to be on edge with him. Also, while we joked about this in the RC me him and Jenny frequent, the fact that he brought up Texas, which was an old scum read Jenny had on him, was a joke to Jenny, that also made me uncomfortable. Still have him leaning town, of course, but we'll see. Teemu- Boy how the tables have turned. I basically have teemu in a neutral scale now. His posting style changed vastly from day 1 which made me read him as mafia, and how he was pushed on by Meat, have made me regard him in a completely different light. While I'm still not sold he's town, I've returned my mafia purchase on him for now as well. There's something about how people have pushed on teemu, that have made me realize I was basically the one who started the teemu meatwagon that started early in day 1, and makes me suspicious that it was pushed by all mafia team members, since they had found what they thought off as their easiest target. GB- I have absolutely no clue at all how to view this guy. One second he sounds town, one second he sounds mafia. Makes a lot posts that seem to make him seem like he's role hunting, but could it be that its others(including me) reading too much into his posts? Plus I did not like his reaction to Banks' vigi shoot "plan" one bit, almost seemed desperate. He doesn't seem to leave anyone behind in his posts though, usually bringing up everyone, so that's a plus right now I guess. Again still town leading, though to a lesser degree than Teemu. Kill(boy is it lonely) Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off. So that's where I am right now. Let me just tell you right now, if you think I'm mafia, that's fine, I'm unconfirmed so of course in anyone else's shoes I'd be looking at myself too, but knowing that I'm town, lets try to look at everyone else as well, and know for a fact that I'm hoping that, even though I'm not great with words, I will not be an easy lynch because I will fight tooth and nail not to let a mislynch on myself happen. Was okay but you said that Jenny was falling down a peg or two for you can you further explain why? I know it may not seem relevant but I have something to say about this point. At that point, as I stated in said post, it was because I was basically afraid about how everyone was percieving her as top town, and being a paranoid freak like I am, that made me slightly worried she was actually mafia and had the game won by having everyone in her pocket. But again, this was merely a (now proven false) paranoid motion, basically explains my whole, can't trust anyone 100% notion. You then also make this statement today: Makes it sound like "oh wow jenny was the most obvious town of course she died!" which to me doesn't seem the case from your reads as you had lilwayne top. Just because lilwade was my top town, doesn't mean she wasn't regarded as the most obvious town, since everyone else basically did. Not much to that aside from that. You also made the post talking about how the night kill basically totally cleared your top mafia in Meatpudding. Who do you think would make that night kill? I understand its WIFOM but I'd like to know where your head is at currently. What about the night kill basically makes it something MeatPrincess wouldn't do? Again putting words in me moth, I did not say MP is cleared, it means we might have to reevaluate our current plan of lynching him without much though, which others, like GB, have already started to do. That being said, GB has now joined MP in the scum list(though not as high as MP) by his really odd wanting to kill MP without any further thought. Almost like he wants the MP push train to continue, specially now that one of the people who spoke about, Jenny, is now 6 feet under. | ||
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On August 01 2014 22:22 meatpudding wrote: Here's my M/B/K and where I'm starting from d2. To be declared a union under holy matrimony Banks - The most espoused in town. His vote critical to the lynch. The only way he's mafia is if he's trying to solo the game. (Sure I wouldn't rule it out) Make you breakfast Teemu - 666's case on you makes no sense if you're mafia. Post some reads yourself instead of only arguing what others have posted. Tolkien - Just another face in the crowd. I would lean town, but I feel it's too early. You've been bumped up for landing the hammer vote. Just one dance Jenny - I still feel pretty safe around you but not as much on before. I think your analysis is usually good but it was lacking at the end of d1. If you thought DC was scum you didn't try to argue it. GB - I think you should be focusing on who's in your town circle before I put you in mine. You're playing a bit inconsistent and when you are serious it seems too serious and mafia contrived. lilwade - I was a bit cautious on reading you d1. Also you were able to go under the radar for the most part. I think we should get to know each other a little better. Leave you in a ditch cya - If there was logic behind the clockwork push, I didn't see it. You were there before I dropped off, so anyone had the chance to argue but you didn't. You pushed no case for Numbers Guy and then try and switch focus after the flip. Scum I say. Dude I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post. How could it really be hard not to see the push for clockwork? The town consensus after you two dropped off was basically who of either of you to vote for, and who did we found scummy. No one really argued much aside from the fact that neither of you contributed much, if at all to the day, and both of you had some really odd pushing done. | ||
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On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: Random collection of thoughts: I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed. Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea). Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think. Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense. I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following. People who should be a D2 wagon: Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up) People who are suspicious as all hell: GB Me (even tho confirmed town) People who should be reviewed carefully: Banks Jenny lilwade People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever): Teemu Seeya If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Thank you for your continued support in me being a donkey town! I agree that MP should still be a high priority, but hopefully tomorrow(aka second half) people get to be more contributing to town(including me), to see where we should head after. While I have some doubts that MP is actually mafia, there's not much else to go on at the moment in terms of a relatively easy lynch. | ||
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Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: Random collection of thoughts: I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed. Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea). Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think. Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense. I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following. People who should be a D2 wagon: Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up) People who are suspicious as all hell: GB Me (even tho confirmed town) People who should be reviewed carefully: Banks Jenny lilwade People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever): Teemu Seeya If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. | ||
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What do you think about my argument on you? | ||
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##VoVote: Meatpudding Reasoning, same as last day,last night, earlier today. | ||
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On August 03 2014 05:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Alright town Lets.... ![[image loading]](http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u46190/seal1.jpg) The deal today and find the mafia! Lets harp seal? | ||
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On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote: This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... | ||
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On August 03 2014 06:18 meatpudding wrote: Hi guys. Good morning. I'm starting to think seeya might be on track. So for now ##Vote: GlowingBear I'be been wary of GB for a while. I think there is a tone to your posts, that make me feel you are not going o win with the town. Tolkien and lilwade, I would be looking at you 2 as well. Is... is that it? | ||
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On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote: GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. What about the rest of the people alive? If we do lynch and GB and he's not mafia, where do we go from there? | ||
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On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote: MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I was gonna say, my coworker saw me being visually frustrated trying to figure out what he was trying to say. LOL So does that mean you view me and teemu as less scummy than the people who voted for Clock? | ||
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