EPTI said I was only going to play newbie games until I couldn't, but this music thing hooked me.
Oh the urge to play. I can't resist it.
Alright, /in for now and I choose Villa-Lobos -> Valse Choro
A huge proud to my country.
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I said I was only going to play newbie games until I couldn't, but this music thing hooked me. Oh the urge to play. I can't resist it. Alright, /in for now and I choose Villa-Lobos -> Valse Choro A huge proud to my country. | ||
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On July 17 2014 10:44 HaruRH wrote: I play bass irl and if I dont get bassist I will be sad I play the acoustic guitar so whatever  | ||
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On July 17 2014 21:03 Teemursu wrote: Top town, I feel like I'm mindmelting with you right now. Teemu, game hasn't already started and I am already randomly voting you. Randomly. You're adorable. You ooze townie perspective. | ||
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On July 17 2014 21:24 Teemursu wrote: lololo My read is completely genuine. Why would I lie? Why? Completely genuine, I know! The famous RBG (Random Bullshit Generator) Hey, marv! In? | ||
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On July 17 2014 22:08 HaruRH wrote: reminded me of the time I blew into A hole and it smelt bad You guys can't possibly B serious. Can't you C this is wrong? EDIT: okokok let me try again: I once entered the army and I thought I was going to B major. Turns out I was only a soldier. Am I doing this right? | ||
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On July 17 2014 22:20 HaruRH wrote: Your joke is bach and you should feel bach Before I be chopin up your lame jokes also, don't make liszt posts fyi. LOLOLOLOLOL Liszt posts!!!! Hu3hu3 | ||
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I wanted to play this but I'm signing in the newest newbie mafia :/ can't play 2 games at the same time. | ||
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On July 22 2014 06:57 Koshi wrote: Yeah newbies sometimes take months to fill up. Depends on how many newbies there are. Yeah, that was a mistake... :/ I hope I can in again. I only outed because I can keep track of two games at the same time | ||
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Check how twitterverse game was completely dumbed down because CR didn't read the pm. People got him lynched and he was mafia. Now the game is spoiled because of that. It's like playing dota but picking no heroes. Of course people will lynch someone who does that. But it is not playing. They're just excluding someone who's spoiling the game. They are wasting a lynch they could have use on an actual read | ||
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On July 22 2014 18:38 Vivax wrote: In 6 hours. I'm just talking as much as possible pre-game to make my filter unreadable. You can run but you can hide. I'm glowing because I bathed on virgin's blood, and yours is next EDIT: I though Teemu wrote that, not Vivax. I guess I need more sleep | ||
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On July 22 2014 20:35 Teemursu wrote: Yes, during my free time I like to answer my own questions. :D It's why I'm great (bad) at mafia. I'm not sure if I should be scared or aroused? Both. You should be scared of how aroused you will get | ||
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I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T. Therefore: ##Vote: Teemursu Die. | ||
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On July 23 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote: I like how people are voting but not voting at all. Who are you, Chopin Liszt? EDIT BY POST: Never mind, just realised that the "vote on THIS thread" wasn't actually a link. | ||
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On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote: HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet This post is beautifully scum. "Why don't you make a list?". Takes it too literal and does makes a list when people are still introducing them, and just 2 kind of answers (except for damdred): "I don't know, this guy is good player so I'd rather not lynch" and "never played with this guy lol" Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him". He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic. While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory. Big post, no contribution, passivity, contradictory. Scum for me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. | ||
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On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote: hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. | ||
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On July 23 2014 10:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I have a town lean on Damdred I guess. You can start reading what people are talking about Xatalos and pick a side XD | ||
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On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote: Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Exactly, CR! @Shinobi I don't, but I think it's a better way to start a discussion than to plynch a guy because he smurfing/hydraing | ||
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Just wanted to say here that Teemu, at least until page 25, is playing EXACTLY like his scum play on my first game. Looks like contributing but ask repeated questions about a specific player to draw attention on him (that game, meatpudding; this game, damdred) and maybe persuade someone to build a case on him to jump on the wagon, and mislynch him. Teemu. You ooze mafia perspective. Funny how mafia managed to change focus in Xatalos to something else. I'm keeping my vote on him, he has done nothing that would confirm town to me. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me. GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum? I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you. I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote: Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far. I've just went through your filter. You were saying that when Vivax is scum he mostly lurks. You hesitate on voting him but after people start saying you're too passive you vote for him. Ben Vivax start posting a little bit more and BOOM you Unvote him. Then you jump on Navi wagon, not reeeeally expressing a strong read. It was funny because when I saw you vote on Vivax I thought "it means nothing, he may be voting just to show 'scum hunt'. He could just Unvote and change focus to an existing wagon.". Less than one page you do this. And the funny thing is: as an example of scum hunting, you bring your vote on Vivax instead of your vote on Navi, which confirms what I thought of you. I am pretty certain I am sustaining my vote on you with this other evidence you provided me. If nothing really big happens, I won't change my vote and I invite townies to read my posts against you to see if they agree with me and jump on the wagon. It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hey guys. I'm just going to start calling all of you mafia randomly. That way, when you actually respond to the non-accusations, I will actually have reasons for doing so because you'll be responding to them. #logic Thread is 40 pages long. If you have not even a slight scumread you're not reading the topic / you don't want to draw attention | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I have three: kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi. Read my filter plx. Ok. Gonna dive you and Vivax when I get to the computer | ||
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CR's case on Xatalos is full of fluff. Who was the guy that just said "oh what a good case!"? Remember reading it somewhere but don't remember who. Haru that's not a scum slip and you know that <3 Teemu, your posts were ok when skimming through your filter. I'm just cautious with you because they were also okay when you were mafia. If Xatalos isn't mafia I'd totally focus koshi and CR | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote: So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote: The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts. I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+. Going to look damdred's filter. Tbh I haven't seem anything really wrong with him. I remember observing a game where he was town and got mislynched by acting like that. But I'll check what you're saying. What about Rayn? He is voting you and went to full lurking. Do you think he is a better lynch? I'm reaching my university and 3G here doesn't work well | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:53 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Xatalos Till he Roleclaims. You want him to role claim but he can't because he doesn't have a power role and if he claims he will be counter claimed, being lynched. I'm pretty sure you thought this and that you are fishing for a blue. Clarifying: having town!xatalos fake claiming you will probably get a legit counter claim to be shot at night, and you also get a mislynch. Kill koshi. Now! ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote: hahahaha. What are you saying? How will he ever be counterclaimed? I can't be more clear. A fake claim will probably receive a hard push from a blue. Easy night kill for mafia. You're pratically forcing someone to counter claim. Fuck this 3G. | ||
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OF COURSE Xatalos is not a power role. He would've claim earlier. Still, koshi is VOTING ON HIM until he CLAIMS. WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE VOTE IS THIS ??? MOVE YOU VOTE TO KOSHI NOW!!! | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:12 Teemursu wrote: I'm usually terrible at reading softs, but if this isn't fucking softing then I don't know what is. GB, how can you be SO sure that Xata is just VT? I'm not, I feel he is vt because koshi felt like blue fishing. Doesn't make sense to consider Xatalos scum while reading koshi as scummiest | ||
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Koshi was OBVIOUSLY fishing for blue!!! Guys, use your brains! Xatalos clearly wasn't blue, he would've claimed earlier. It is ok to believe he was soft claiming but it is NOT okay to pressure vote him so he claims! Do you really can't see the implications here? To avoid getting lynched, Xatalos could've probably fake claimed under the pressure votes. A blue would see this and hard push against Xatalos, maybe even cc. Mafia gets a mislynch and get to know who is the real blue. MY GOD THIS IS NOT WIFOM THIS IS SIMPLE LOGIC!!!! | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:37 Chopin Liszt wrote: no townie fakeclaims to save themself from the lynch. your logic is shit and broken we are not lynching koshi. use your vote properly. LOL NOIR MAFIA 2 Every game people say my logic is shit. They are mafia or they simply don't want to understand what I say. Then they decide to vote where in voting. And then, people flip red. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:51 Chopin Liszt wrote: I'll explain the point though because I am a nice guy. BlazingHand could claim any blue role because he was blue and knew he could not be (correctly) counterclaimed. if Xata is VT, any role he claims can be counterclaimed because he does not have the role. That's exactly why I say koshi was pushing Xatalos for. So he could get a fake claim out of pressure. This is not math, you can't be sure no vt will fake claim to get himself saved. Koshi Teemu Chopin Also, Haru, you're on my scum radar. Come on, posting WOW NAVI GOT LYNCHED INSTEAD WTF a minute after night post is not okay. Battery is running flat. I'll be back in a couple of hours | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:56 Xatalos wrote: By the way, GB is pretty much town for his ridiculous ideas close to the deadline. LOL gg replace me. I have no more patience to this. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:59 Chopin Liszt wrote: Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. What Xatalos said isn't even remotely out of line. Seriously everyone. I can't stand having people calling "ridiculous ideas" what is actually decent logic. You may believe that a vt would never fake claim, that's fine. But saying that it does not have decent reasoning, I give up. People rather say "oh this is not his meta" like you guys are inside Friends sitcom "HAHAHAHA THIS IS NOT LIKE JOEY LOLOLOLOLOL" | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:01 Xatalos wrote: GB, what about kush then? Did he also try to make me fakeclaim a blue role? It could be. He was also suspicious. Also, there is at least one mafia on navi wagon, so we'd rather take a look at that too. See if someone voted Navillus and when he got a lot of votes, switched on Vivax. This would look suspicious too. Battery dying and I don't really want to look at this game for now. Gonna read more later. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:05 Chopin Liszt wrote: You need to not play mafia if you are considering replacing out because someone said your idea is ridiculous. Man up. I'm not going to ask to be replaced. I was pissed off and said that without thinking. Lol "man up". I won't start an argument here, but nice try. This game is messed up but it can be undone. Now, see you later | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear why did you soft-called me scum for lurking somewhere around p45 or smth. People have to sleep and have fucking jobs. I stayed up until 2:30am JUST for this game and went to work @ 7:00am. I kinda wanna kill you with fire JSUT for that comment because it's so retarded. <3 you're adorable! I can't even remember what was happening on page 45. I probably thought that if you were lurking I could get you out of lurking. No need to get angry because of that | ||
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I got pissed off but now my head is cool. Useless to analyse vote during night time. It will just give ideas to mafia about who to kill. I've already untunneled you, so, why don't you smile? | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:39 Teemursu wrote: Bearrrrrr plzzzzzzz postttttt moreeeeee You want to know if I think you're scum. I only thought you were scum for completely discrediting my logic against Koshi. I thought you were trying to change the focus I've dropped on Koshi. Like a scum partner would do. But it seems NOBODY agrees with me. I don't believe I have divine intelligence, so, I can be wrong somewhere. So I decided to not tunnel him. Therefore, if I decided to not tunnel him, it means that you were trying to defend a possible town, so you are somwhere around null to me. Can you start making hard pushes or hard cases on people? Like, diving and bringing thoughts? I hate when you start asking ton of questions to everybody and engage useless arguments I'm in a bad mood today. | ||
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It just came to my mind that the easiest thing for mafia to do is to claim Prepared Passanger. There are two and they don't know each other. So, they won't counterclaim. Easy thing. I may maintain my position of reading him as scum again. I don't like the bad manner that keep going on the thread, I'd rather lynch every single one of them because I want to play a game where I have to analyse actual play. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:52 Chopin Liszt wrote: How is gb martyring? Why can't you love me? | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: haha are chopin and koshi mafia? GB can you get ly logic in my post? I actually don't but I'm flattered. So whatever <3 | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:56 Teemursu wrote: It's cool, I was kind of in a bad mood as well. I'm kind of tired and calming down now, like I've been hit by a tranquilizer dart. I'll be more useful tomorrow, unless I'm going to be just sleeping at work since I can't get any sleep now. Thing is, when you came out with your thing on Koshi, it came so out of nowhere and I've said this before a lot of times, for someone to accept that logic, you'd have to literally KNOW that Xata was just VT in that spot and VT's should literally almost never fake claim (like I get role swaps and such but outside of those) to save their own asses. If you can't see that as a true statement, Idk what else to say really. Teemu, I do get the critics to what I've brought. I just thought that it was a fair conclusion that Xatalos wasn't blue. Suggesting him to claim was okay. Voting him so he would get lynched unless he claimed? Not ok, sorry. Never seen this before. "CLAIM OR DIE". It felt blue fishing. But again, I do understand the critics. I just felt it was a better guess atm. | ||
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On July 25 2014 09:05 Teemursu wrote: Right, I kinda get it. Thing is, we kinda needed him to claim if he actually is a PR. I guess it can look like a bit scummy to vote on someone who is possibly PR, but not claiming would've been beyond bad (it's literally what he was suggesting in some of his posts). It wasn`t necessary for him to claim, you have to draw your own conclusions about him. If you think he might be a power role, just don`t vote for him at all. Voting him because he NEEDS to claim is overwhelming. BUT, think this way: it was clear, for me, that he wasn't a power role. I thought it was clear for everyone. Why pressuring him to the point he could fake claim? If he fake claimed, a blue could counter-claim. And there you'd reach this scenario: a fake claim would be crucial to make Xatalos look scum. He would be mislynched and mafia would get a blue nightkill. But I'm done with this, I'll use it only as a complementary argument. | ||
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I got angry for the first time but quickly got back to my mind. It just feel that mafia is trying to divert attention by throwing useless arguments to disturb us. I really believe this is a play. Gotta read n1. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:47 Teemursu wrote: So there is guaranteed mafia between Haru, Chopin and Koshi. I like how you completely ignored Xatalos claim. I like how there could be no mafia at all in that list. I'd like to kill you | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:16 Teemursu wrote: GB, Haru, confirmed town, said I'm 100% town. Thoughts? Means nothing, sorry <3 | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:19 Teemursu wrote: Does it mean something that I'm the town cellist? Idgaf if this is a bad claim, but I want to confirm myself. I haven't used my power yet because I've been lazy. I have the exact same power as Rayn. Mafia, feel free to CC me, I will know that you're mafia and we can lynch both of us. I don't even know how my power is useful, so me not making use of it is kind of already bad anyway. If I take a bullet for a cop or w/e, it's even better. Not using your power because you were lazy is an awful excuse. I would believe it if your activity was low, but it's pretty high. You're not lazy to post a lot but lazy to use your useful power? More than that, if we know cellists have the same power, you using that on me would make you 100% sure you're the cellist to a townie, it would be better if you used your power to contact me privately. It's better for a Prepared Passenger or a possible veteran to take the bullet for the cop. You brought NOTHING here. You're just fishing for blue. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:26 Teemursu wrote: Look, if I'm mafia, the real cellist cc's me and we get one guaranteed mafia, thus, it's a retarded play as mafia. I can use my power on you no problemo unless there is someone else who can come up with a way for me to actually make use of it. I don't believe your claim, but I'll wait for your contact by night. If it doesn't happen you are confirmed mafia. Don't you even think of contacting anybody else. I want people to remember Teemu's promise. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:32 Teemursu wrote: I thought I was bad with game mechanics. What is my motivation as scum to claim this role? Why wouldn't the real cellist then CC me and GUARANTEED get one mafia between two people? It's like a free different check from a parity cop. What I'm trying to say is that I have another WIFOM scenario in my mind. I'll believe you for now, I just want you to confirm using your power on me, that's all. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: GB, your FoS on me is weird, I would like you to find someone and make a case on them like your life depends on it. Make it really adorable too. <3 I've been really lazy and I was avoiding making big cases because people ignore the. *sob* but I'll do that 8 hours from now (it's the time when I get home to my precious computer) What does FoS mean? | ||
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On July 26 2014 02:12 Xatalos wrote: Damdred (I realize it's you but eh, just putting it out there): - Wishy-washy suspicions on me to see if it would catch any support, then voting me later on when I had already gathered votes - Going along with the flow of the thread by then voting Navillus - All in all: pretty unimpactful and inactive in the game - a position that scum often assume Tbh I guess you could still be town, but since there are so many other likely townies, the probability of you being scum goes up. ObiWan: - It was a struggle to get enough votes on him whereas I / Navillus easily gathered enough votes - Didn't really care about the result of the lynch and voted apparently without reasoning - Nothing really comes to mind when I try to think of something he's done and that's never a good sign batsnacks: - His votes have been just scummy sheeping without real input - Tried to distance himself from the approaching Navillus lynch weakly and without any actual effort/reasoning - Apparently forgot that he was supposed to be unhappy with lynching Navillus right away and said that there was no reason to be unhappy about it..? VA: dunno about him really, I just included him there since I can't exactly think of him as townish either and Koshi I think mentioned that he plays a bit similarly as scum Interesting. Could you dive damdred? Do you think he is the best lynch option now? | ||
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On July 26 2014 03:22 Vivax wrote: You think someone of them is scum a la scum fakeclaiming? Also you should vote Obi, that kawaii panda says it. Yes. Palmar probably died because mafia thought he was blue. Turns out he was prepared passenger. 1 remaining, 2 alive people lying. One is probably mafia IMO. That's what I want to discuss. | ||
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On July 26 2014 04:25 Koshi wrote: To your initial question. It would be somewhat strange for scum to claim a role that is easily counterclaimed no? Marv also already said he wasn't a prepared passenger. So at this point I am the only prepared passenger claiming. Do you think marv is scum for claiming prepared passenger during the resolution period? Counter claiming Prepared Passenger isn't easy because it is not an unique role. Example: if I claim I'm prepared passenger, the second one can believe it because he doesn't actually know who is the second prepared passenger. Therefore, no counter claims. The reality changes when palmar is dead and he is the unclaimed prepared passenger. I'm pretty sure mafia shot him believing he was blue. I thought he was blue. But then he was a prepared passenger (unprepared for n1 lol), and it's really a good information to scum hunt IMO. I don't believe mafia was expecting to hit a roled vt. | ||
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Analysing rayn's filter and discussing if mafia would've fake claimed roled vt and if so, who's the mafia guy, you or Xaralos. I think that will lead us to mafia. | ||
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On July 26 2014 04:45 Koshi wrote: GlowingBear That's all fun and all. But do you think marv is scum. He claimed prepared passenger. After Palmar got shot he unclaimed it. I'm not sure because his claim was weird but I've got a town feel from his earlier posts. I don't have enough analysis to draw a line here. My guess still is on Xatalos here. | ||
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I'm sorry, then. I though I've read he was prepared passenger. It leaves it only to you. >] Unclaim it or I'm going to vote you | ||
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On July 26 2014 04:53 Teemursu wrote: Wait what, are you hard claiming prepared passenger? Nope, I'm pressuring him just like he pressured Xatalos day1. Funny how it felt weird now but not then. | ||
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On July 26 2014 04:54 Koshi wrote: No. I am the second prepared passenger. Anything else you want to discuss on this subject? Yes. If you are the second one, what so you think of marv's moves? | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:02 Koshi wrote: I voted him at the start of the day for it. I think it is strange he did it thinking nobody would ever cc and then scum would be panicking during N2. What about their previous posts? What about what you think of Xatalos? | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:16 Damdred wrote: GB who are your top three choices for scum today? Gotta read more to say that with less doubt but if I had to choose right now it would be Chopin, Vivax and Xatalos | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:22 Koshi wrote: GB. Why exactly are you asking me these questions? Answer me and I'll answer you. If I tell you now my purpose will not be fulfilled | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:24 Koshi wrote: You just said this about marv: Well, where is the contradiction? I said I'm not sure about it and you cleared my confusion about more people claiming prepared passenger. Now damdred asks 3 top scum and I said that it was hard to choose but if I had to pick 3 now, without further analysis, I'd pick those three. | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote: I don't know if you covered this GB, but ifyou were so sure about koshi fishing for blues and being scum why did you suddenly jump on the navillus wagon? I was voting koshi, but I was the only one if I remember correctly. It would be better to spend my vote wisely trying to lynch a possible wagon than wasting my vote on koshi. I thought, that time, Vivax was more townie than Navillus, so I decided to move my vote to Navillus. It was a mess because deadline was anticipated. I had to think fast without an official vote count. You can understand the mess it was back then. | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:35 Koshi wrote: marv, looks like town marv but I disliked the Navillus lynch. If we were looking at a scumteam of rayn/marv/x I think that with people like Obiwan, batsnacks & Damdred being town marv easily could be scum. scum only needs 2 misslynches and they win basically. It would mean 6 townies shot and game over. The kill on ray, changes things around obviously but that was not thanks to marv at all. So yeah. I am a bit wary of marv. Holyflare easily could be mafia with how he acted in here last night. That was atrocious. ------------ Xatalos I have talked so much about already... marv is hard core protecting him anyway. So I would always lynch marv before Xatalos now. The biggest issue I have with Xatalos is that he never seems to think further than the first step/idea. Fair enough. I think that a good way to find connections between scums is to ask someone you find suspicious about someone who could be a possible partner. Answers are just strange, mostly like "he looks scum but I don't know, he feels townie". I'll put you in my town circle now. | ||
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On July 26 2014 05:46 Koshi wrote: So you asked me these questions because you thought I was scum with marv? I thought it could be a possibility, I don't know exactly why. I think I just wanted to make sure you're townie. | ||
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On July 26 2014 07:36 Chopin Liszt wrote: no wait this is terribly easily solvable. batsnacks claimed his rolename, right? VA needs to claim his. That's exactly what I'm waiting for lol | ||
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EBWOP: you're not considering that it wasn't only a claim. Both claimed shooting rayn. Too much of a coincidence. | ||
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On July 26 2014 07:39 Chopin Liszt wrote: it's totally irrelevant there are 5 named blues if they both claim different named blues and noone else counterclaims them, then the coincidence is true. It's that simple. Now we have to wait for him... phew ¬¬ | ||
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On July 26 2014 07:40 Chopin Liszt wrote: I'm only sad it took me so long to come to this conclusion. I am getting old. Actually, you're dead. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 24 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: i can give you a hint. palmar is town, so is VA. damdred and batsnacks look like mafia. On July 24 2014 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: i gotta look into the other ppl who said VA is scum. that read was so fkn terrible. literally the terriblest thing in this game. Two posts from rayn that made me think of VA being scum. Looks like he was trying to defend him. There are more posts where rayn defends VA. Putting VA's name next to palmar... Palmar flips green and there you go, "rayn said it!!!" I want to see Vayne's claim. But I'm voting him for now. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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VA, how did you know batsnacks was vigi? Well, it's easier to rescind a claim than to choose a role, right? My vote is stuck on VA. | ||
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On July 26 2014 08:18 Xatalos wrote: So either VA is town or scum, but batsnacks is town for sure. That's good information at least. This kind of post makes me want to lynch you SO hard. SO HARD. | ||
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On July 26 2014 08:24 Xatalos wrote: What, I'm being transparent by spamming my thoughts. Go ahead... "So either VA is town or scum" NO SHIT! He is either Protoss, Zerg or Terran on Starcraft also. Sorry, I don't want to be rude. No, I'm not Canadian for saying sorry after being rude. | ||
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On July 26 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote: Dunno why you would have so much trouble with that specific post. Whatever. Mark it down as scummy or forget it, it's all the same to me. The problem is that it is all fluff. I hate posts like these. But okay, don't get mad  | ||
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On July 26 2014 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote: I agree. I think its in xatalos and CR maybe. i havent read glowingbear at all yet dunno what he looks like I'm handsome | ||
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On July 26 2014 10:01 Xatalos wrote: GB, I can assure you that I am either town or scum. Oh, gee, now I get it, this game is easier now! I can assure you that I won't lynch you in case I decide to lynch someone else | ||
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##Vote: Xatalos As a newbie, and as this is my third game and I'm playing with vets, I was trying not to tunnel and to think more about other people's argument. I realised that it was exactly what I did when I read Templar as scum in my first game but decided not to vote him (and he was scum). I'll stick to my initial read. ##Unvote ##Vote: Xatalos Believe me or not, it's not because of those couple posts. I'm bring a full case on you soon. | ||
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On July 27 2014 00:17 Koshi wrote: If you vote Xatalos before marv you don't respect marv. If you think marv is scum don't you think Xatalos is scum with him? | ||
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On July 27 2014 00:27 Koshi wrote: Either VA or Xatalos. I think chances are higher it is VA tbh. But both VA and Xatalos had strange interactions with marv. But a Xatalos lynch is not optimal I think. But feel free to post your case. Maybe it is Xatalos and not VA. I am not really sure. Gonna skim through the filters of both. This time I won't be lazy and I'll really skim. Then I'll decide if I sheep you today and make my case by nighttime or keep pushing Xatalos. | ||
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On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote: The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan. Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax. Why do you read damdred as town? | ||
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Koshi, reading through his filter, he seems to be contributing, but essentially for town reads, not scum hunt. Also, two things: his push on Navillus and his hard defense on Xatalos. Votes were well spread, he could've vote Vivax or keeping his vote on Obi, who he still thinks is scum. He already answered that it was easier to convince people to vote for Navillus because he thought the other ones were mislynches. It is suspicious but not necessarily mafia. His hard defense for Xatalos is weird because the only one game I've played with marv, he was completely aggressive on fluff. He wasn't on Xatalos. This is, for me, the most suspicious part. BUT if this is the part where he is being scum defending his partner, it means Datalos is also mafia. I've had a scumread before on Xatalos so this only "confirms" my theory. Therefore, I think Xatalos is a better lynch now than Chopin, because ShoppingList is at least contributing with town reads. We can think about him day3. I'm heading to Xatalos filter now. | ||
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On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote: It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between. Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh. He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? | ||
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On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote: Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda.Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. | ||
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On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote: Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough? | ||
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On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote: Nha. afk 18 hours. marv/VA You are tunnelling. Really, you are. Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM. Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch. | ||
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On July 27 2014 04:35 Chopin Liszt wrote: Killing us would be terrible but I'm not going to even bother arguing because every post i make i get insulted by someone who is actually town somehow. I Haven t seen anybody insulting you, shopping list. | ||
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On July 27 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote: This post has convinced me of a few things ##unvote ##Vote Chopin Liszt What things? | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:46 Vivax wrote: Since there's not much else I currently feel like talking about, here's the mistake I happen to do as scum: I am capable of looking town just by my posts, but at some point I'll get the feeling my options run out, or/and I become lazy and uninvolved in general business. This happens at some point after D1, most of the time. Afking for a prolonged time ends up as a death sentence, now that the forum knows the way I play town. It's pretty clear that I started this game with posts that are openly abrasive, disinterested or exeptionally trolly. I just want to try out new stuff rather than going straight to business and arguing the way I do now that I have more to work with. Hi rayn! Heading for the biggest filter I hope. Just lol'ed reading this in his filter. | ||
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On July 27 2014 11:56 Koshi wrote: GlowingBear said some unsettlings things earlier as well. Marv/GB also is possible. Someone should tell me why he is town again. I forgot. You really believe I am scum with marv? You really believe that? I am hard pushing Xatalos since the beginning of the game and he was defending him. How I am related to ShoppingList in any way? Koshi, come on. | ||
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On July 27 2014 14:51 batsnacks wrote: GlowingBear now that the votes have been posted I'm noticing you have your vote on Xatalos who I also scum read. I will make you a deal. We can vote Xatalos tomorrow together if you vote vayne today. Tell me why there is no chance of Vayne being a cop and we may have a deal. | ||
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I'll vote VA so if I can't get here before lynch, my vote won't be wasted. Just have in mind that, if VA is scum, Xatalos may be town. If VA is town, please, push Xatalos, there will be a 6th argument against him: he voted a townie. I don't think this is a good lynch but it seems that, again, is the better option. Whatever. ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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##Vote: Vivax How do you read Xatalos, Vivax? We need a vote count | ||
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On July 27 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote: I read him as very active, and very chill when accused of doing something scummy. I checked his town games cause I feel he has a very laid back approach this game, and felt it was similar in those. Not comfortable lynching him today, that is certain. Ok. So, why should I believe that you and him are not the mafia pair? Tell me how this idea is not possible. | ||
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On July 27 2014 22:51 Damdred wrote: What put you on vivax all a sudden? He trolled obi but i still see hI'm as town Not all of sudden, you can check my filter and see he was sometimes on my circle of suspicion. Damdred, why did you vote Navillus day1? | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:02 Vivax wrote: Maybe GB is chainsaw defending CR. Nope. Vayne has tons of votes and people are shitting bricks to this game. It's one hour to the deadline and we are only 4 souls online in a game where there is, I don't know, 12 alive? So it's useless for me to just defend CR when he has no danger of being lynched. | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:11 Vivax wrote: Then it's just as useless for you to vote for me without a reason. I'd much rather have you comment on the comparison I've made between CR and Vayne. I didn't find CR's post that bad. If you want to pick on CR you have to see his earlier posts, like the case he made on Xatalos. That case was all fluff, really. I think numerology would be a better reason to lynch Xatalos than that post of his. But CR's argument against Vayne isn't bad. It's just a little WIFOM but it looked, to me, that it came from a townie. I have my doubts regarding Vayne. I thought he could be a possible cop for knowing that batsnacks is a vigi. But that's all. It's a stupid move as mafia too, so he could be townie trying to take a bullet. What I'm trying to say is that I want to gather more information during these 2 hours before giving my certain vote. This game is too hard for me. So, why is it impossible for you and Xatalos to be the remaining mafia? | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:14 Damdred wrote: I think i answered that with vi questions night one but ill answer again i didn't know who to vote at that point and i had to vote i was torn between xat vi up until that point. I didn't think vivax was scum and i felt kush was town so i folloqed him with the sudden deadline shift. I'm going to read cr filter really fast and see the case Funny that I looked your filter and you made the same question to me knowing that it was out of pressure too. | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:22 Damdred wrote: Take xat out of your question if not him who is the other partner to you VA or ShoppingList. Mostly VA. | ||
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On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough? These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers) On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote raynpelikoneet Sigh LOL only joking right lololol why not? Now to his list post: + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote: HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough? Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote: Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much. I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline. Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already. ##Unvote ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:16 Xatalos wrote: rayn actually *did* vote for me and left his vote on me for the rest of the day without apparently any real reason...... Maybe hoping that the wagon on me would get enough votes and that his vote could aid in getting me lynched or something. I would never defend my scummate at least D1. Haven't you seen my scumgames? In one game I bussed literally every one of my teammates. In the previous scumgame I semi-bussed or distanced from all of my teammates. That's right... Rayn kept the vote on you... I couldn't find the final vote count but now I remember. I am tunnelling. Whatever. I'd rather kill CR or Vayne now. I'd rather lynch Vayne because of what I've brought from Rayn. ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:31 Koshi wrote: GlowingBear WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH Xatalos? Dude, I didn't see that Rayn kept his vote on Xatalos. Why he would do that if he was scum? Besides, don't you think CR's case on Xatalos was suspicious? | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:38 Koshi wrote: ... 1 wifomy thingie and you change your entire mind. knowing how you said that my case on both VA and marv was wifom and should be ignored. You don't play very consistent. I know I'm playing like shit this game. I'm making a big of a mess here. Completely confused .Just tell me who you want to lynch, I'd rather sheep you | ||
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##Vote: VayneAuthority Because I like koshi | ||
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I mean, why are we not lynching Shopping list? They are afk right before the EoD. Don't you think they are just letting town killing themselves? | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: They were afk long before that. They are STILL afk, that's what I meant. Vayne had five votes. Why aren't they active now? | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:48 Xatalos wrote: I mean... It's like Vivax(?) said. VA hasn't really done anything to make himself appear townie. CR has been conveniently going with the flow and neatly pushing cases that already had momentum to begin with. Which of these is how scum plays? Second one for sure. AAAGH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO | ||
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So, confirmed townies: me, koshi, VA, Vivax, batsnacks, Teemu, Xatalos, obi. Lol gg | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:14 batsnacks wrote: I'm probably voting Chopin tomorrow. If anyone who voted CR thinks I shouldn't vote Chopin tomorrow they should say so. Mafia will probably concede at this point. We still have our cop. | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:18 Xatalos wrote: Xatalos (4) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH raynpelikoneet lolz ? | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:42 Xatalos wrote: And yeah, we would have probably been screwed without the perfect Vigi shot (GF + universal townread). So the biggest town MVP was certainly batsnacks. After that I think we would have most likely won anyway. Completely true. Xatalos I was so into lunching you because you looked so passive. That "he is town or he is scum" was like the worst to me lol. I have to admit I have messed up a bit after n1 | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:49 HaruRH wrote: I'm sad you got the bassist. But I guess being a doctor isn't that bad. LMAO when I read the role pm I was thinking "lol Haru must be mad" | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:53 Xatalos wrote: It's just that when I don't have good scumreads, I won't make them up as town :/ I get that now, but although you didn't have good scumreads, you were pretty active, so it looked suspicious to me. I was thinking on CR because the case he made on you was horrible. But then again, I messed up after n1. I still think I had good logic when I decided to push koshi LOL | ||
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On July 28 2014 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: Ah, I see. That's why we mislynched you recently. LOLOLOLOLOL apply cold water to the burned area haru | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: never seen kushmasta this town. Damdred makes a terrible post on Xatalos (because the post lacks any conclusion and/or follow up). Cava calls the post good (apparently because he has a townread on damdred he "guesses"). Haru says Xatalos is buddying and apparently that's scummy? Well it's not. Then Cava says he doesn't want to pick a side regarding Xatalos. But in fact he kinda has (see townread on damdred). CR has the best approach to Xatalos situation. It makes sense although i don't know if it makres Xatalos mafia but regardless it makes sense. All other shit on Xatalos is crap and idk why anyone thinks it's any good.. Navillus post badbad. ##vote: Navillus Teemursu why are you leaning scum on Xatalos? Palmar town. Shopping List is right. Teemursu gave a strange weak defence on Xatalos after calling him probably scum. Koshi what the fuck are you doing - except for the Vivax stuff? --- Cava could also be mafia, and damdred, and Haru. ugh.. that's too stupid. but Koshi for reals what the fuck? ))))))) | ||
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We need to nominate it. | ||
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On July 28 2014 03:03 Holyflare wrote: The only reason i didn't continue playing was the utterly insulting nature of people when i came back from being ill instead of talking through the game. It was appalling. Downside for the people who tried to be respectful the entire game and tried to figure it out even when between the crossfire of bad manners | ||
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On July 28 2014 03:44 Xatalos wrote: Scum would have destroyed town without the Vigi shot though, I think. They would. Scum got little luck this game. Chopin shot prepared passenger Koshi. Batsnacks asked Jesus to kill Rayn for no particular reason it seems. Mafia got our doc, though. Maybe it was really town favoured... | ||
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