and yes it definitely does who tF is honestly "too lazy to switch their vote" rofl
seriously tho whos like "oh well thread is goin the direction i like so idgaf" -> person is lynched "ok we're doing it my way now u all suk and i am god"
wrt bunnies the only thing i really dont like is the "knows too much" heuristic yall already mentioned, but weighing everything else... she's just been so earnest with her thought process otherwise imo
i would lynch poofter but not bunnies and im not sure what that means for her slot
On July 14 2014 02:33 Eden1892 wrote: hm ok yah my scummy read-ish on m&m doesn't hold up anymore, a lot of it was ~~Unflipped Associations~~~ which can obviously be disregarded now that Slamroot is town. i guess if marv is alive tomorrow that changes??? but not really because now that we said it marv won't be shot?!?! unless the doctor will save marv while the cop checks marv and the jailer jails me because im confirmed town
lets go fam
i would lynch out of: - wraystlimania - robikexo
in particular i really dont like how robik wasn't trying to get his target lynched at all and it feels like he's been half-assing this game big-time. there's just a HUGE discrepancy between this:
On July 13 2014 05:36 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 13 2014 03:40 Eden1892 wrote: Robik where are you
Why is your vote not on Cabernet
I was taking a nap and I'm studying. I haven't moved my vote yet, but I don't think it really matters at this moment. voting is a pain in the ass, and as long as the thread is going in the direction I want, I don't feel like I really have to push any agenda. My vote will end up on sqrt/slam by the end unless things change drastically, but I still think poof/bunnies look sketch.
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On July 13 2014 11:20 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 13 2014 11:08 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 13 2014 11:03 IAmRobik wrote: From now on we lynch who I want to lynch -- not that I didn't want to lynch slam/sqrt, but Poofter/Bunnies is like 230941103248% mafia.
Cop should check them tonight, since they will 100% not die --> If Rayn jumps at this comment, I'm going to laugh my ass off at him.
That's a bizarre comment. Why does the flip mean we have to do what you want to do?
Cause I'm god and no one can be trusted but me (and ExO)
it's like "oh well the thread is going where i want so i dont care to try" -> lynch target flips town -> "ok we're doing what i want now fuck all yall u suck without my righteous guidance"
High Priest Eden Caretaker of the Garden rejects this false god and so should you
i feel like we're echo chambering about bunnies still, a lot of stuff she says sounds weird but when i reread it and assume she's town it's not that bad
she seems to be violating the "townies dont post without a direction" heuristic really badly tho so i can understand her as a lynch, i just dont like it. i want robik instead bc he's being a pussy and when robik is a pussy hes scum
Actually, this is pretty much what marv does as town (if i recall our conversation correctly). If he likes where the thread is going, he just sits back and lets shit happen, like when I bashed Plammmar's mafia face in in Heavyweight Champ. I like to change my play up a tiny bit here and there based off of my mood. My mood this game is to not try so damn hard, but to let my partner lead. He'll have a much better d2 than d1 in terms of analysis and posting. I think that he has a good grasp of games after d1.
I just kept up my usual town spam d1. I didn't really say anything important besides: 1) bunnies is scum cause I caught her 2) slam is scum cause he gave up and is super shady 3) rayn is town cause I read him as town within the first few posts of the game
I may have said some other stuff, but I really don't remember what they were anymore.
Oh, I said something about CR more likely town than scum based off of his entrance.
idgaf what you claim marv does as town, nor do i gaf what you claim you do as town, i gaf whether your words and actions match up and they don't at all
if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit
On July 14 2014 02:59 Eden1892 wrote: if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit
you're gonna have to explain to me why, in any way, this is a mafia trait and not a townie one.
Because I'll tell you for free - it's more likely to come from a townie.
that's not really the point of my argument, i'm trying to tease out what he's saying
the problem is that robik didn't do a damn thing to influence the thread's direction the first day, and he outright gave the direction the green light on multiple occasions. then as soon as it goes wrong he acts like he has all the answers and we should just follow him because we're all stupid rubes who mislynched a townie. he's fucking gloating about us mislynching slamroot because he wasn't involved with it
please explain in what universe a townie gloats about the fact that town mislynched town because that townie didn't feel like influencing the thread away from the lynch
1) who cares if the bullshit -> mafia chain isn't always easy? you're not just gonna refuse to explore everything that's bullshit because the bullshit -> mafia chain doesn't always work, are you? 2) who cares if it's not outside town!robik's MO? mafia by definition aren't going to work outside of their town MO because if they do they get caught
1) i'm asking it, not saying you said it. are you? because your current reason for not looking into it further is "bullshit -> mafia is rarely that easy" which is a terrible reason not to look into something further. obviously it's not easy. the whole point of our job as town is to figure out when "bullshit -> mafia" is true and when it's false
2) yes, it does make sense. think about what you're saying. "you can't conclude that x is mafia for doing something bullshit b/c they could do something bullshit as town!" guess what, everyone can do anything as town or mafia.
not to mention that i'm not arguing "it's bullshit therefore mafia" in the first place, i called bs on your meta-defense of robik. the actual argument is "robik is whining and crying about the direction the town took after slamroot flipped town when he explicitly signed off on that direction and pointedly refused to influence it before the flip." which is a pretty good argument for robik being scum and certainly not "bullshit therefore mafia"
i really don't like this post from marv at all. i feel like my argument is being oversimplified and fallaciously reduced to absurdity, and that marv should know better
On July 14 2014 02:59 Eden1892 wrote: if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit
you're gonna have to explain to me why, in any way, this is a mafia trait and not a townie one.
Because I'll tell you for free - it's more likely to come from a townie.
that's not really the point of my argument, i'm trying to tease out what he's saying
the problem is that robik didn't do a damn thing to influence the thread's direction the first day, and he outright gave the direction the green light on multiple occasions. then as soon as it goes wrong he acts like he has all the answers and we should just follow him because we're all stupid rubes who mislynched a townie. he's fucking gloating about us mislynching slamroot because he wasn't involved with it
please explain in what universe a townie gloats about the fact that town mislynched town because that townie didn't feel like influencing the thread away from the lynch
I didn't gloat. I said that he wasn't my top target, but that I thought he was scummy so I was cool with it. Learn to read and stop misinterpreting what I'm saying.
ok so if he was scummy and, from what you said earlier, your #2 target, why are you whining about him getting lynched and demanding we go in a different direction?
There's a reason I'm playing the game this way, and it's not because I am mafia. So stop calling me mafia. Stop saying that what I'm doing is something that mafia does (while it may be true, it's not in this case, so fuck that noise), and you can go back to scumhunting. Having said that, I trust my reads -- especially the minute ones -- better than i trust ZOMGTHISCASEISSOGOOD ones, so I want you, and everyone else in the game, to know that we're lynching who I say we're lynching tomorrow...KAPISH?
this is really setting off my "fuck you" alarms, you're not even halfway addressing my concerns and if you expect me to roll over and do what you want after that, you can sit on a cactus throne scumlord
yeah this isn't gonna work bud. you're not going to convince me not to push hard for every lynch i want. if you want your lynch you're either gonna have to convince me your lynch is good or outwork me in convincing everyone else that your lynch > my lynch. but asking, whining, begging or yelling at me to fall in line isn't gonna get you anywhere.
right now i think robik is scum because you look like you're gloating about the fact that the town mislynched somebody and you didn't push it. he looks that way because he's trying to use that as a cudgel to beat down the people who were leading the lynch yesterday so he can control the lynch. that's not what townies do. they don't just try to get control of the lynch on principle, they do it as a means to the end of lynching scum. can anyone tell me who robik wants to lynch right now? (obviously not you robik i assume you know) because all i've gotten from him since the lynch is "MY TURN MY TURN MY TURN TEACHER MAKE MEEEE THE LEADER TO GO TO LUNCH TODAAAAY"
why aren't you pushing that lynch then? that's what I don't understand, I see one mention of poofter/bunnies since the flip and it's not a case, it's a read that isn't really followed up on. you talked plenty about them pre-flip when you weren't trying to control the lynch, now you're trying to control the lynch and i'm not seeing the case anymore and it's just strange. like i've done more to try to get you lynched since the flip and i don't even think you're mafia! if someone who's just trying to piss you off and make you play for real is putting out more effort to get their "target" killed than you are, that's a problem, dude. step up!
give me a concise case on theD please, I'm just not seeing bunnies as scum from what i saw yesterday but i'm open to changing my mind on it
@palmar go ahead and do so but you're going to see that i was just trying to rustle robik's jimmies so he got off his various high horses and played for real, no hang-back-and-make-his-partner-do-all-the-work shit, no crying to me for control of the lynch, no pretense just good blue-collar murican hard work
I wasn't, goof ball, I was acting like it because I'm tired of you deferring to your partner and I don't get your read and I know the best buttons to push to get you to play is to get in your face and make you mad. Do me a solid and give me your reasoning on why theD is scum so I can maybe come around on your target and help you kill them or at the very least not have to act like a dick to get some information out of you. K?
On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote: The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia.
I have a theory about this but I'm saving it until nighttime because I want Slamroot dead and it's far more compelling if Slamroot does flip scum
Did you ever expand on this theory after teh flip? I read shit really fast so I could catch up cause bunnies is getting mad at me she apparently thinks were going to get misslynched.
I didn't, and I guess now's as good a time as any.
My theory was that M&M was the mafia team out of that group. (I don't think Palmar is mafia so I don't think his team is mafia.) The rough case for it (amended with more recent comments):
marv's post advocating for lynching GlowingBear yesterday was strange to me:
The post is almost entirely recap. Except for part of the elaboration on GlowingBear's reads not making sense, all of those arguments had already been said. They weren't really all that convincing to me the first time, so just repeating them didn't feel like it was advancing any discussion. And frankly (although I know this isn't a unanimous opinion), I just don't buy that slot being scum. The argument is sensible but I'm just not feeling it. Consequently I find it suspect that marv was just repeating it because to me, it sounds like an argument that scum would make -- something that is neither wrong nor right: a case that is understandable but ultimately incorrect, sufficient to look engaged and invested in the outcome while ensuring the outcome isn't a scum lynch.
The post was oddly ambiguous about Slamroot. To be honest I still don't see how anybody could have plausibly townread Slamroot at all. I don't understand how there could be any ambiguity about Slamroot's guilt before the flip.
The target and timing of the post felt opportunistic to me. marv came in while GlowingBear's slot was under fire, and posted a case that was largely built off of others' detective work. Then marv disappears for the rest of the day. I get that marv was busy irl so it's not the disappearance that bothers me, but in marv's shoes I would be factoring this into account and trying to push harder to get GlowingBear lynched while I was around to do it, and I would be pestering my partner to follow up and get GlowingBear lynched in my absence. I didn't feel like marv tried very hard to get that lynch, and while we obviously don't have access to the QuickTopic to see if marv bothered mderg to get GlowingBear lynched, we do have mderg's actions in the thread, which clearly don't push the case further at all.
mderg's switch from GlowingBear's slot to Slamroot was inconsistent with his read on GlowingBear. He posts a case similar to marv's on that slot when he rejoins the thread, centering in large part about how GlowingBear's and Haru's reads are shady -- specifically highlighting GlowingBear's scumread on Slamroot -- and he specifically says that "the points on GlowingBear remain 100%" at the tail end of his conversation with Haru about the case. His next check-in he starts talking about how weird Slamroot is being, then he agrees with GlowingBear's scumread on Slamroot! If his top scumread is saying Slamroot is scummy, and his case on that slot is that the slot's Slamroot read doesn't make sense, why is he immediately agreeing with it? Nothing changed about Slamroot's behavior between those two points in time to justify a reconsideration. Furthermore what he says about sqrt, particularly re: Palmar, is literally the same argument GlowingBear, his top scum read for giving reads that don't make sense, said about sqrt as well! What changed??? To top it off it takes a long time for mderg to make the actual switch over to Slamroot, almost like he's trying to convince himself it's okay to hop on the bandwagon of somebody he knows will flip town.
marv keeps saying really bizarre shit that doesn't make any sense from a townie perspective to me. I've harped on this example already, and I can go dig up more as needed. It's just these little things that kinda derail or try to derail a line of thought, they aren't damning on their own by any means but in combination and in tandem with the other points it's enough to make me want to lynch M&M.
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