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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 00:58 GMT
#943
Need help to understand filters.
What is the "chupazi rule"?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 01:14 GMT
#950
On July 12 2014 10:05 OnceKing wrote:
there is no "chupazi rule"
there is a "kenpachi rule" which is explained here however that's not relevant to current discussion
chupazi is just slamspeak


Thanks. I'm not willing to try to bring that up again. I saw someone saying "chupazi rule" and I couldn't understand his post anymore.
Reaching page 25.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 05:29 GMT
#1003
Ok, I've read enough.
I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful:

Half-ass summary:
+ Show Spoiler +

A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.


So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.

Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes:

sqrt's friendly quotes:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature.

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On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.

This may come to prove important.
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On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:
On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english.

why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo

The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum.

the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night

Eden is town.
Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people.
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On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, rayn is first on my list.
Town.
Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post.
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On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:

I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.

Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.

Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town.

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On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Haru is definitely strange.
He is not acting like in previous games.
I don't like him.

His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like.
This:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer


The reasons:

1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value.

2. This post

On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm

Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...

Meh

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh".


1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday.

2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language?
I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic.

3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page.
More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"?

Is a good post. Decent logic here.

Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.

Haru, a question for you.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:
On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.

Fun question
What merits casting more than suspicion then
And who is your suspicion cast upon

So I go to sleep
and I wake up
and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls

--

Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative?

I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads.

it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda


I was waiting for you to say that robik

Top town

Why were you waiting for robik to say this?
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On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.
Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot.
Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it.
But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff.

Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting?
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read.
[image loading]



I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners.
He made a push on Palmar, though:

sqrt's vote on Palmar's:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend)
He hasn't /confirmed yet.
First post:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Hi I am Pálmar

And then does nothing for a significant amount of time.
Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much.

Stratiform, I don't have a clue.
But this is my best read so far. They're mafia.
##Vote: Team Magic Computer
[image loading]


Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads.

If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all.

But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one:

Hi Post from Alakaslam:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Well

Hi



Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
This is why it is perfect victory

[image loading]



So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now.

Slam gotta do better to change my vote.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 05:35 GMT
#1006
tl;dr: I have a scumread on The Wine Team and I have suspicions on ExO, Robik and Eden that I'll cover tomorrow while filter diving.

- WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 06:19 GMT
#1022
On July 12 2014 14:41 TheSlenderMan wrote:
GlowingBear please filter my posts and comment on the case against you. I don't have many posts yet so the relevant posts are easy to find.


Alright.

--Your first case: + Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2014 11:02 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Still nowhere near caught up but I want to

##vote: Unvote

##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer

Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!)


When did I turn into a hand? lol
Kenpachi-argument wasn't a plan devised together as Hydras. I've used the QT to get his opinion about this policy. It was the same as mine. I decided to post about it because I think it was turning into a main point when it should be a secondary argument, and accessory argument. Saying it could be scum driven is not necessarily saying it was certainly scum driven. It was my way of saying that "watch out, you are getting something as certain while it is not, so keep it as a secondary argument and let's focus on a primary one".
Haru can't speak on my behalf. We are a team but we don't share the same account nor the same ideas. I have suspicions on Robik. He said he likes Robik. We have different views while inside the same team, and I don't get why it is not natural.

Ok, now on your bigger case:

--Your second case: [spoiler]
On July 12 2014 13:45 TheSlenderMan wrote:
(1)Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject.

(2)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together.

(3)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.)

(4)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else.

(5)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf...

(6)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question?

Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539.

Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?


Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.

I don't see this as consistent.


(1) Answered above
(2) It indicates we did talk and got the same opinion that it would be harmful to town to extend discussion regarding kenpachi policy at the time
(3) As I said, in his posts he is never implying that the usage of kenpachi rule should be analyzed as possible scum maneuver. What he said is that it could be scum driven. And it could. But it's not a safe ground to walk on. So, why wasting breath on that policy?
(4) Hmm, I guess you're getting the wrong interpretation of what he meant? I'll quote his post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 21:43 Palmar wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer


3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.


Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side.

-M&M


I don't get what you mean

If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it.

You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


That's completely incorrect and I'd actually shoot you guys right now if a) I had a gun, and b) you guys were the same person.

Because this idea that you have to talk about it, is super inconsistent with glowingbear's opinion that:

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.


So why is he wasting his breath?




So I guess here is where the problem lies

I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin.

My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it.


He never said he should talk about the topic and nothing else. This is you putting words in his mouth, dude. He said that, if I had not said anything about the poor usage of kenpachi rule, he would say. That's all.
(5) In the context, he doesn't like what Palmar said. So that's why he considered OMGUSing. But he didn't want to OMGUS because it was early. Moreover, Haru played with Palmar before and probably has a good view of his meta, so why OMGUSing if he could have a hunch?
(6) It's a team game. Again, I have a suspicion on Robik. Haru likes him. We are two heads in the same team, we think differently. However, sometimes, we have the same opinion, as for the kenpachi policy. He thought that, as a team mate who knows my alignment, he should defend be against attackers because (i) he knew my opinion on that, which was the same as his and (ii) when I'm attacked, he is also attacked because we are a team.

I tried to answer it properly, but I am really tired. 3am here.
Also, as even Haru said, we are a team but we are not the same person. He could answer you better because you've brought much more Haru's posts than mine.

TBH, I don't really understand why you find these posts scummy lol
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 06:23 GMT
#1025
On July 12 2014 14:46 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then


I said I have suspicions while skimming through the pages that made me feel I should filter dive you tomorrow and that's all.

I'm sorry guys, too exhausted, 3:30am, gonna sleep because I can't even understand what are you writing anymore.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 06:26 GMT
#1027
On July 12 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:
also heads up:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 15:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 12 2014 14:41 TheSlenderMan wrote:
GlowingBear please filter my posts and comment on the case against you. I don't have many posts yet so the relevant posts are easy to find.

[spoiler]Alright.

--Your first case: + Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2014 11:02 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Still nowhere near caught up but I want to

##vote: Unvote

##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer

Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!)


When did I turn into a hand? lol
Kenpachi-argument wasn't a plan devised together as Hydras. I've used the QT to get his opinion about this policy. It was the same as mine. I decided to post about it because I think it was turning into a main point when it should be a secondary argument, and accessory argument. Saying it could be scum driven is not necessarily saying it was certainly scum driven. It was my way of saying that "watch out, you are getting something as certain while it is not, so keep it as a secondary argument and let's focus on a primary one".
Haru can't speak on my behalf. We are a team but we don't share the same account nor the same ideas. I have suspicions on Robik. He said he likes Robik. We have different views while inside the same team, and I don't get why it is not natural.

Ok, now on your bigger case:

--Your second case: + Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 13:45 TheSlenderMan wrote:
(1)Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject.

(2)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together.

(3)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.)

(4)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else.

(5)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf...

(6)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question?

Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539.

Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?


Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.

I don't see this as consistent.


(1) Answered above
(2) It indicates we did talk and got the same opinion that it would be harmful to town to extend discussion regarding kenpachi policy at the time
(3) As I said, in his posts he is never implying that the usage of kenpachi rule should be analyzed as possible scum maneuver. What he said is that it could be scum driven. And it could. But it's not a safe ground to walk on. So, why wasting breath on that policy?
(4) Hmm, I guess you're getting the wrong interpretation of what he meant? I'll quote his post:
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On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote:
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On July 11 2014 21:43 Palmar wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

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3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.


Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side.

-M&M


I don't get what you mean

If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it.

You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


That's completely incorrect and I'd actually shoot you guys right now if a) I had a gun, and b) you guys were the same person.

Because this idea that you have to talk about it, is super inconsistent with glowingbear's opinion that:

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.


So why is he wasting his breath?




So I guess here is where the problem lies

I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin.

My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it.


He never said he should talk about the topic and nothing else. This is you putting words in his mouth, dude. He said that, if I had not said anything about the poor usage of kenpachi rule, he would say. That's all.
(5) In the context, he doesn't like what Palmar said. So that's why he considered OMGUSing. But he didn't want to OMGUS because it was early. Moreover, Haru played with Palmar before and probably has a good view of his meta, so why OMGUSing if he could have a hunch?
(6) It's a team game. Again, I have a suspicion on Robik. Haru likes him. We are two heads in the same team, we think differently. However, sometimes, we have the same opinion, as for the kenpachi policy. He thought that, as a team mate who knows my alignment, he should defend be against attackers because (i) he knew my opinion on that, which was the same as his and (ii) when I'm attacked, he is also attacked because we are a team.

I tried to answer it properly, but I am really tired. 3am here.
Also, as even Haru said, we are a team but we are not the same person. He could answer you better because you've brought much more Haru's posts than mine.

TBH, I don't really understand why you find these posts scummy lol

i'm not reading this shit or anything of similar length. if i go back on this and read it later consider it a merciful blessing by the grace of god but do not expect me to comment on anything this long because i won't


I was answering Slenderman here. I don't think my case on sqrt is big. I've put all quotes on spoiler and you just have to read it if you think you should read proofs...
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 06:29 GMT
#1028
On July 12 2014 15:26 Eden1892 wrote:
that's fine but when you get back i expect an explanation as to how you got the impression that i've been playing nice with people


But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.

My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.

Ok, now I'm gone.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 17:07 GMT
#1146
Marv, you completely disregarded the fact that I said that those three names were suspicions. You completely disregarded that I tried, although failed, to summarise the posts until now, so it could help poof and any other player who is having a hard time trying to catch up. You completely disregarded the case I've brought against sqrt, which I should say, is the strongest case against them, which was reasoned by presenting my preferred (not only) method to catch scum and blocks of quotations that proved my point of view.

I said I had suspicions on three people that I would cover today. I said that I had a scumread on a person and covered it.
You preferred to focus on the people I have suspicions yet to be confirmed, and to ignore the case I've brought.

So, let me ask: what do you think of the case I've brought on sqrt?
Maybe now people won't simply disregard my efforts.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 17:15 GMT
#1153
On July 13 2014 02:09 mderg wrote:
I´ve never seen slam this angry, not sure what to make of this. I actually liked how he started this game, his reaction to the kenpachi rule looked townie to me and he looked carefree. The lack of good content didn´t look too good, though. Overall slam himself is not particularly scummy to me.

sqrt however I don´t like. The lack of good reasoning/explanation of reads is concerning. He did take some clear stances like on Palmar and Eden earlier (both were unconvincing, though). I really didn´t like the sudden switch on Eden then. Overall that´s pointing towards scum but I´m not entirely convinced.


I don't care if slam is pissed off, this is also a newbie game, if he thinks it's obvious he should explain why it is. If he gets angry for such little things he should try practicing muai thay or enter a anger management group. He's doing NOTHING to get his view clarified and to look like towny. He's just creating ruckus and a mess with posts. Being objective here: is that a town attitude or scum attitude?
If you say "a pissed town attitude" then I'll remind that this is a newbie game and if he gets pissed with that, he should play "only vets" games.

Koshi, I'll do that soon enough
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 18:28 GMT
#1196
On July 13 2014 03:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I've given my reads.
Not wasting time elaborating on them.
Choose to take them into consideration or not.
Plus, reads, are just thoughts. One's thoughts are just thoughts. When I do flip town, you don't want to take my reads into consideration b/c they're just thoughts.
Have you considered that I don't want town to win anymore? After they mislynch me D1? First time getting D1ed for me. Ever, including a significant number of irl games.
But instead of not giving reads at all, I'm giving mine, just not explaining them.
Make do with them.



Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.

This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 18:36 GMT
#1199
On July 13 2014 03:29 HaruRH wrote:
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On July 13 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 13 2014 03:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I've given my reads.
Not wasting time elaborating on them.
Choose to take them into consideration or not.
Plus, reads, are just thoughts. One's thoughts are just thoughts. When I do flip town, you don't want to take my reads into consideration b/c they're just thoughts.
Have you considered that I don't want town to win anymore? After they mislynch me D1? First time getting D1ed for me. Ever, including a significant number of irl games.
But instead of not giving reads at all, I'm giving mine, just not explaining them.
Make do with them.



Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.

This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.


you silly bear

not helping town win = helping scum win


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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 20:29 GMT
#1223
-> About my suspicions on ExO:
As I said before, my preferred method of chasing scum is looking after passivity/overly friendly behavior, although not the only one (this is the last time I'm saying this, you all know it by now). So, what raised suspicions on ExO was this particular post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:
Some thoughts:

Team D-

I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies).

Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads.

What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players.

Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too .

So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town.

Team Whine
Slam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them.

Team VendettaStrada
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.

Team needs a lawyer
I always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant.

Team Magic Carpet
Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread.
*scum read*

Team GoodCornBadCorn
Completely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons

Team Crotch Rocket
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though

Team Fraud walRus
Sinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read

Team M squared
mderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town


So that leaves me with

Town
M squared
Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name)
Rocket Crotch


Null
D-
Whine*
Goodcornbadcorn*
Fraud walRus

Scum
Lawyer
Magic Carpet

*Mostly afk

[/i][/i]
So, basically, a huge post with tons of null reads and three town reads. This is, to me, being over friendly. Moreover, if you check his scum guesses, he thinks me and haru might be scums because we are not posting things with value. However, he is hesitating on us. Then, he thinks Palmar is scum for saying that we are scum for not posting anything of value. So, he is attacking Palmar for using the same logic as him.
So, not a good post. This is what made him feel suspicious for me.

*********

--> About my suspicions on Robik
Alright, I felt Robik was suspicious because he said he wasn't going to post and then started to spam things, or that is what I felt. Something like these posts:
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On July 11 2014 12:29 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:22 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:07 OnceKing wrote:
so do you have an actual reason for not playing the game robik i must have missed it


read the thread. not gonna answer this again cause i'm a lil whiney bitch


On July 11 2014 12:21 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Rob if you were mafia, what kind of post would you have made?

Didn't think about that and didn't have to worry about it because when I opened my role pm I found out that I was town.


On July 11 2014 16:32 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause I am god-tier at reading Rayn. And on that note I'm going to bed


On July 11 2014 23:51 IAmRobik wrote:
Man, if I was town jr and marv was my town sr, I would be so content right now. I literally would have 0 posts in the thread


On July 11 2014 23:55 IAmRobik wrote:
I mean, my comment had nothing to do with the game or my reads. It was a random thought that came to my head.



On July 12 2014 03:45 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 12 2014 03:41 OnceKing wrote:
it was a hearthstone discussion
and no
but i dont think i joked around that much in my newbie as town either sooooooooooooo poor meta reads ftw?

just looked into the first game. I was in it. I was town. You were medic. You didn't save me n1.

Policy lynch:
##vote: oncekingworstmedicnaeuoceana


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=611&topic_id=461355

On July 12 2014 01:40 IAmRobik wrote:
Man this post is so fucking scummy, but this guy is town. Don't lynch him!

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On July 12 2014 01:38 ExO_ wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
Can we lynch Robik for being a liar?

Where did I lie?

right at the start when you promised to barely post this game. (I don´t really want to lynch you for that, I´m just salty because of world cup mafia)


Listen here I tried to save you in world cup remember!

I was wrong on just about everything else, but I did try to save you with good logic!



On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:
TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH

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On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:
Some thoughts:

Team D-

I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies).

Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads.

What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players.

Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too .

So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town.

Team Whine
Slam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them.

Team VendettaStrada
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.

Team needs a lawyer
I always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant.

Team Magic Carpet
Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread.
*scum read*

Team GoodCornBadCorn
Completely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons

Team Crotch Rocket
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though

Team Fraud walRus
Sinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read

Team M squared
mderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town


So that leaves me with

Town
M squared
Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name)
Rocket Crotch


Null
D-
Whine*
Goodcornbadcorn*
Fraud walRus

Scum
Lawyer
Magic Carpet

*Mostly afk


[/i][/i]
These are quotes with Robik's sarcasm (which is really funny imo). But the thing is, looking out of context, it just seems that he wants to spam the thread. While re-reading his filters and trying to put those quotes on context, it looked like he was actually answering people. But... I don't know. Poor answers tbh. He insists to let ExO post more too much, also. And... why quoting his partner just to say "look ppl, this guy is town!". I just think that his spamming is not good, it looks suspicious to me because it just makes the thread difficult to read. Finally, I haven't seem a hard push coming from that team. That's what raised suspicions on him.
But people who played with Robik before can say better if I'm being too hard on his playfulness.

**********

--> About my suspicions on Eden
Same as Robik. Funny but unhelpful in some posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 11:35 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
We are town. I will barely be posting for the rest of the game as we have absolutely nothing to hide and thus I will allow ExO to give his reads as they will be 100% genuine and not convoluted because he is town and everything that he posts will 100% be his honest opinion. I was thinking on the ride home how I would word this post if we got VT and it sounded way better and less convoluted, but it is what it is.

ExO, the floor is yours!

confirmed power role

i will sheep you to victory robik lead me

Gets on Banks case for PR hunting...goes on to PR hunt

LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

i'm allowed to do that because i'm confirmed town


On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter

because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now


On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter

because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now


No, I want to move passed this.

I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with.

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On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:01 IAmRobik wrote:
OK and Eden have to stop harping on this "whatever" rule bullshit. It's really not progressing the thread anywhere and it's annoying to read over and over again

go back to not posting


On July 11 2014 12:04 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter

because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now


No, I want to move passed this.

I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with.

[image loading]


That's some good seasoning.
We use it in the South on just about everything.

it is, i use it all the time

very high salt content though, much like your post

On July 11 2014 12:43 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear

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On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I like this post. Townie points.

Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game?

Do you need to call a lawyer?


The"Double"D


wow ok count 'em up there's #2 we goin to da top town

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On July 11 2014 14:07 Eden1892 wrote:
Boy it sure is boring being a Louisiana VOLTRON Mason with bunnies and OnceKing...


On July 12 2014 06:57 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 12 2014 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait y u lynch sqrt?

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Ok, I'll stop here because I've made my point.
But that's not the only suspicious part. I find weird his strong push on poof based on a policy, while I think poof was being sarcastic regarding Eden's claim. But even if he thought poof was scum, I think he should reason it better. His explanation was late:
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On July 11 2014 11:56 Eden1892 wrote:
y'all are dumb as hell smh

no one is using the Kenpachi Rule

this is actually the Ihcapnek Rule, where someone is scum because they believe a VT claim too quickly, not because they cast doubt on the VT claim

this is much better than the Kenpachi Rule and you should all follow the Ihcapnek Rule and vote TheD

Ok, so, if he thinks this policy is good, he should push hard on it, no?
He didn't:
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On July 11 2014 14:59 Eden1892 wrote:
Sweet.

I didn't actually "get the feeling" blahblah at all, actually I was starting to back off my scumread of slot TheD and bunnies' recent posts have solidified that move.

We're not lynching bunnies today

##UNVOTE Team TheD
##VOTE Team FakeClaim


Why? Robik is on Team FakeClaim, and Robik claimed town. Therefore he is fake claiming and therefore he is scum. Checkmate


Then, suddenly, Robik is town:
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On July 12 2014 06:38 Eden1892 wrote:
ok i'm on page 40

everybody shut the fuck up about robik he's town this is a waste

bunnies is not toxic to the thread, her questions might not always be going places and her spat with robik or whoever tf back in the 30s was silly but it doesn't matter because she is also town

we're lynching sqrt today, god bless america

someone read the post i highlighted in response to exo's reads and tell me how it isn't scum-motivated


His scumreads flips too quickly, look what followed up:
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On July 12 2014 14:34 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 12 2014 14:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die

trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now

right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread):
- WeDemandALawyer
- Magic Computer
- GoodCopBadCop
- M&M

of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches

I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important


On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote:
ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster

1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)

preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot

tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order


That concludes what I found suspicious on Robik, ExO and Eden.

I would like to see marv's opinion on this post. Waiting for it.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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July 12 2014 21:11 GMT
#1249
On July 13 2014 06:06 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 13 2014 06:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hey look. Banks is back!

Lol


Halftime over be back in 45


Gonna be a second massacre. I'm hating it right now
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 13 2014 02:42 GMT
#1409
Ridiculous. I hope I never play with slam anymore.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 13 2014 06:04 GMT
#1410
3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please?

marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 13 2014 06:25 GMT
#1412
On July 13 2014 15:06 HaruRH wrote:
Recover your energy for d2 glowingbear, I need your skills

Slam got banned. Idk how though.


Can't. Imnsonia got me today.

Why won't you chat with me?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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July 13 2014 06:41 GMT
#1414
On July 13 2014 15:34 OnceKing wrote:
i'm available for an hour or so if anyone wants to ask me questions

Ok. What are your thoughts on the votecount that led to the mislynch?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 13 2014 17:30 GMT
#1447
On July 13 2014 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
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On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote:
3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please?

marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts

honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you.

Take it or leave it my friend ^^


"Glowingbear threw random names"
*a huge post justifying my suspicions*
"Lol tl;dr too boring to read."

Gg. At least koshi had the decency to reply to my post

Koshi, about Robik, I said that his posts, at least out of context, sounded like he was simply throwing random jokes and that when looking inside a context I wasn't sure if they were some random jokes or had some kind of meaning, but I still thought they were simple spam.
When I say spam I am referring to a lot of posts with little information. I think that they make the thread bigger and useless. I think this is harmful to town. That is why I like to skim through the thread and post big posts, because it makes easier to people analyse what I say. I'm still improving on the formatting so I makes easier. I'm doing my best to be clear to town, clear to any analyses, but still there are people saying that I look scummy for that. I can't really understand why.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 14 2014 02:01 GMT
#1552
On July 14 2014 10:04 TheSlenderMan wrote:
@Haru/GlowingBear – so you're both saying that you had agreed to talk about the Kenpachi-argument in-thread but didn't have any concrete plan to, for instance, catch Scum by doing it. What exactly was the reason you wanted to bring up the Kenpachi-argument, then?
@Haru@ExO – Why did you not like the Slamroot-Lynch yesterday?
@Koshi I'd STILL like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads?
@Everyone – is Haru's claim that Robik has intentionally 'broken' his meta correct IYO (so that he always can 'confirm' himself as Town) or was VisceraEyes correct when he told me (in an earlier Round) that Robik plays weird tricks like this regardless of his affiliation?
@Everyone – no comments on this?
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In retrospect ExO's filter is somewhat weird, though: #605 is him finding suspicious stuff about EVERYONE which seems like "shitflinging" (to quote someone earlier in this Thread). One of the null-reads he ends up with is the Team he has been most vocal about analyzing earlier on, aka bunnies/poofter. Hmmmm actually, #1091 is also weird -- namely because I realize that ExO never commented on sqrt (after sqrt started posting, that is) and he's only considering the Lynch in light of Slam's antics... IMO, sqrt's contradictions were definitely the more damning point of the case, so I find it interesting that ExO would only give the Slam-spam as reasoning for considering the Lynch. Especially since he says that he has caught up with the Thread. Annnnd #1091 DOES reek a lil like distancing-oneself-from-a-Mislynch-to-appear-better. All-in-all, ExO seems to end up surprisingly often sitting on the fence about the topics he discusses.


(The above should also answer you, Robik. You two are a slot so ofc I want to hear about your meta when ExO's pinging me.)


I must say that I am starting to find strange your misinterpretations of my answers. When did we brought up the Kenpachi-argument? I've just made an intervention asking people to change topics because discussing that was unhelpful to town at that moment. Actually you are the only one ATM still referring to that. Why?

I don't know what to do, tbh. I put a lot of effort on my cases and what I get mostly is "tl;dr" or "lol big post filter diving probably mafia trying to look townie". That's the way I first learned to play. Filter dive people, find what you look suspicious, bring these suspicions up so other townies can analyse too. Bring proof with it (quotations). I don't understand how constantly spamming is a good play. But I'm just getting ignored.

I'm ok with people not agreeing with my argumentation. But simply stating that a mafia could do that without even trying to understand my reasons... Frustrating...
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