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On July 18 2014 15:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote:
snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim? I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...) ugh ugh so ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
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On July 18 2014 15:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 15:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 18 2014 15:30 Blazinghand wrote:On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote:
snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim? I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...) ugh ugh so ugh yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.- why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll.
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On July 18 2014 15:36 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 15:33 gobbledydook wrote:On July 18 2014 15:32 kushm4sta wrote:On July 18 2014 15:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 18 2014 15:30 Blazinghand wrote:On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote:
snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim? I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...) ugh ugh so ugh yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.- why is mm trolling but robik not trolling? Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll. Why didn't robik claim blue when he was 1 vote away from being hammered for hours on end?
Do you then think robik fakeclaimed to get back at you for RNGing him?
Thinking this over again I feel robik played weird. Why, after barely not dying, dive into this fakeclaim shit again? Either robik is a blue with balls of steel (but then why spam) or he just sucks.
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On July 18 2014 15:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 15:09 gobbledydook wrote:
cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislync-h the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
##unvote
##vote Blazinghand I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter.
If I don't elaborate my logic then you say I am being vague and scumread me. I still think on the balance robik is actually blue. You don't like my read that's fine. But who do you think is the real blue? All you've done is snipe from the sidelines without giving reads.
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You have one game of me as mafia and none as town. I'm sure that's a very good representation of my meta. /s
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On July 18 2014 16:17 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 14:37 gobbledydook wrote:On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote:If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak. Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate. And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them  . That is just weak. First your third one on the bandwagon theory is just wifom. Even if it were commonly accepted that those who jump in the middle were more scummy would scum not then game that? And as far as I can tell there is no evidence to suggest the alignment of players on a bandwagon based on time of jump and nor have you advanced your own theory. Second you dismiss me and obi's arguments as weak but did not even bother to explain. It seems to me your arguments are the weakest of all. And your defence that you were trying to get conversation going? There was already conversation going and your baseless accusations do not help. You look like someone who is trying to say something without saying anything.##unvote
##vote snickers This is something I see scum doing a lot. They make a big post defending themselves, then use their defense to justify a vote on someone. A defense of yourself isn't a reason why someone else is scum. Then at the end is the one justification of why snickers might be scum. It's an unspecific phrase that means nothing.
The whole post is a refutation of his post showing why it is weak and you say I slip in a note at the end with the lynch. You need glasses.
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On July 18 2014 16:23 kushm4sta wrote:
so gg, because snickers's read is wrong he's scum?
No, it's not only that it's wrong. Being wrong is fine, I'm probably wrong on some of my reads too, this being a 'guessing game of epic proportions'. But it's that he was offering one line posts (no effort), then trying to justify his no effort with a weak argument that therefore I refuted and used as evidence to vote him. Do note that this was in the first half of the first page of his filter. Since then he has contributed more, possibly because of the votes pressuring him.
And then he does the weird fake claim shit, I mean wtf? I don't even know what to think of that.
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On July 18 2014 16:29 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 15:57 gobbledydook wrote:On July 18 2014 15:48 kushm4sta wrote:On July 18 2014 15:09 gobbledydook wrote:
cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislync-h the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
##unvote
##vote Blazinghand I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter. If I don't elaborate my logic then you say I am being vague and scumread me. I still think on the balance robik is actually blue. You don't like my read that's fine. But who do you think is the real blue? All you've done is snipe from the sidelines without giving reads. Here he starts to OMGUS me. He did the same thing when fuba suspected him in detention mafia.
It's true that you have sniped from the sidelines without giving reads on any of the 4 (fake)claims. You avoid my question. There's no pleasing you, good night.
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Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
f robik is mafia and his partner is one of the four that voted, this post is the best post in the game. Obi why are you doing scummy stuff.
I retract some of my last statement but Obi unvoted in such a scummy way.
Answering kush. Best as in people people read flipped scum filters and get fooled by them. Aka everyone lets lynch everyone who did not vote robik.
such oneliner much content
the shit in the middle before the post I quoted was buried in a mile of robik spam, tldr, seems to be some accusation of kushmasta that I missed. Sorry.
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On July 18 2014 16:42 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 16:39 gobbledydook wrote:Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious. f robik is mafia and his partner is one of the four that voted, this post is the best post in the game. Obi why are you doing scummy stuff. I retract some of my last statement but Obi unvoted in such a scummy way. Answering kush. Best as in people people read flipped scum filters and get fooled by them. Aka everyone lets lynch everyone who did not vote robik. such oneliner much content the shit in the middle before the post I quoted was buried in a mile of robik spam, tldr, seems to be some accusation of kushmasta that I missed. Sorry. So in most of that post and it seems like you are trying to prove me wrong. I am thinking to myself, oh maybe he meant i was posting some one liners. Then you admit that you were wrong. Then apologize. I am puzzled.
1) When I made the post accusing you I had only noticed your one liners and they didn't sit well with me.
2) When I made the post I just skipped through the robik spam and missed your bigger posts.
3) Sorry for accusing you based on a premise that is false due to my mistake.
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On July 18 2014 16:45 Snickers wrote:Idk not reading the whole thread, shows disinterest.  and you voted me but did not read solely my filter .
Sorry new to TL mafia (as you can see I have 1 game here and I got modkilled day 2), I don't use the filter as much as I should, I go with impressions a lot.
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On July 18 2014 16:56 kushm4sta wrote:
Gg you accused snickers of no effort after he had that long conversation with me and obi.
I said I didn't see that inside the wall of robik spam
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On July 18 2014 17:10 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 17:01 gobbledydook wrote:On July 18 2014 16:56 kushm4sta wrote:
Gg you accused snickers of no effort after he had that long conversation with me and obi. I said I didn't see that inside the wall of robik spam That was way after the robik spam.
Now that I check his filter again it was on page 13 right at the end of the robik spam, but anyway I didn't read it before and now I did, I retract that accusation
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Rip in pieces kush
BH flipped vet which is a case that I had dismissed as unlikely as I didn't think a non-blue would have any reason to counterclaim a blue. We now know MM1 was lying about his claim, and I still can't think of a reason a VT would do that. At least I could accept a case for scum trying to muddy the waters. So ##vote Mysterymeat1
In other news:
I looked through obi's filter. I really like his posts and I think he's pretty town. First, he posts a lot and not just repeating himself, which scum would be less likely to do because more post -> more slip. Second, he has weighed in on many different candidates and called attention to the bad logic and wording of other players (including me). He has been instrumental in promoting discussion of issues that would otherwise have been ignored. Certainly is not something scum is likely to do.
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On July 20 2014 09:40 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 01:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Whatever. Lynching BH was fucking terrible. I really don't care at this point. I'm about to hammer MM1 cause BH wanted me to even though I don't think MM1 is scum
I'd rather just be done with this disgrace of a game. I feel like every game that I've played lately has been the biggest fucking garbage shitshow.
In fact, here I go. Here's to proving that MM1 is town!
##vote: MysteryMeat1
itisnightnoposting
I'm gonna laugh so hard at myself if he's scum, but I really really don't believe that he is.
If MM1 is town, make sure that you lynch snickers tomorrow. If you don't lynch snickers I'll be super duper fucking mad Now, we need to all consider Robik here. If a town did this, wouldnt he be mod killed? Ok lets assume it is not but I still think if he was town he would get modkilled here. The first bold is so scummy. Like read that and make sense of it. Second bold is also scummy. Robik is a good player. Now what did he do that was super townie. He suggested that mm was trying to take bh's bullet. This is something that would not take a lot of brains to say but makes you look super townie. So others could have posted this. Overall, I waited and talked to bh for a while before voting him. I voted bh when I did cause I had to go to work and I had a strong feeling town would fuck up. Well whoever are the two town I am talking to YOU FUCKED UP SO BADLY DAY TWO. TIME IS SO FUCKING USEFUL IN THIS GAME. That is another reason robik should be killed. He hammered so fucking early. It is such a good play by scum. (at least we dont have power roles anymore that would make the two town players in here so terrible). Robik has been setting me up to look like complete shit with the obi kill and kush kill. And also he killed obi since only me and him did not vote. Ok last two sentences might be a bit off but I am in a rush.
Which part exactly would get him modkilled?
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First I don't think snickers and damdred are both mafia and making a show out of it. If they were both mafia, they wouldn't attack each other and give town a chance to lynch them. So at most 1 of them can be mafia.
What damdred did:
he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns.
Here's my take on what damdred's thinking:
damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch.
Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking.
Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics.
The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low.
I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first.
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You don't have any way to tell if he was indeed busy. Even scummier of course if you assume he lied about that but I would say he's scummy either way.
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##vote snickers
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The Gobbledydook awards for Mafia Excellence
Town MVP: kushm4sta
He was right on track, he had the gobbledydook/sylencia scumteam since day 1. Obviously I got rid of him.
Mafia MVP: Everyone
To be honest it's hard not to win as mafia when 4 towns claim blue first night. The mess meant town never got to discuss anything before lylo, and the bad blood that followed ensured the mafia win.
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EPT
