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On July 07 2014 22:31 Koshi wrote: Ok riddle for Vivax only cuz he is pretty cool and the rest isn't, maybe also prplhz for cool answer. The first to answer will never be voted by me.
I need both answers for these questions, you cannot look up the answer on the interwebz, or jeebus will punish you.
1) You trow 2 coins in the air simultanously, mid air jeebus wispers in your ear that at least 1 coin will be head. After hearing jeebus talk into your ear, how big is the chance that both coins will end up being head.
2) There are 3 boxes with 2 balls each. 1 box has 2 red balls, 1 box has 2 green balls (we call this the Koshi/Vivax box), 1 box has a green ball and a red ball. Now randomly you pull 1 ball out of these 3 boxes and see that it is a green ball in your hand, how big is the chance that you pulled that ball out of the Koshi/Vivax box of awesomeness? 1) 1/4 2) 1/2
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On July 07 2014 23:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:20 prplhz wrote: no wait a second, the awesomebox was the one with two green balls
so it's 1/3 and 2/3 So. How happy are you now that I can't vote you for the rest of the game? jeebus doesn´t exist, so it´s actually 1/4 for the first one
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Koshi, why are you asking people how happy they are/would be?
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On July 07 2014 23:32 IAmRobik wrote: mderg, why were you more interested in solving Koshi's math problem than engaging with people I wasn´t interested in solving it, I even got it wrong on purpose. I´m also way too scared of engaging with people
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On July 07 2014 23:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:30 mderg wrote: Koshi, why are you asking people how happy they are/would be? I was so inspired by Toads case based on proplhz happyness that I am trying this scumhunting tactic out myself, if it is a good way to determine scummyness levels I can better trust in Toads case. Is this you showing the world you are reading the thread? Why do you think I am asking these questions? Seems a bit meh to ask. I had no idea why you were asking these questions, that´s why I asked. It´s a terrible scumhunting tactic btw, I guess you also think so...
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On July 07 2014 23:40 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:37 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:32 IAmRobik wrote: mderg, why were you more interested in solving Koshi's math problem than engaging with people I wasn´t interested in solving it, I even got it wrong on purpose. I´m also way too scared of engaging with people scared of talking to people???? got something to hide????? Nothing to hide, just bad memories about past games that still torture me.
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On July 07 2014 23:42 IAmRobik wrote: If IAmP gets mislynched this game, I'm going to flame each and every one of you in post game. He's the broiest bro of all bros You´ll flame everyone no matter what, so that´s not a very serious threat.
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On July 07 2014 23:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:05 Toadesstern wrote:YES BITCHES. I'm not fucking mafia again. Who is up to be my buddy on my legendary quest to murder all of mafia? So that being said I can somewhat guarantee you that I won't become a whiny emo bitch. But really only somewhat. Let's start with prplhz because he indeed is way to stiff for this game, especially in the very beginning. I agree with ... I think Vivax ... that he did sound unmotivated and down in his early posts. Combine that with posts like On July 07 2014 21:33 prplhz wrote: is has nothing to do with confidence or mentality but with an objective evaluation of the situation right now and he's easily #1 lynch target right now. If that post isn't some kind of super hard sarcasm that I'm not picking up on it's super "wtf is that guy even talking about" in a way that at the same time tries to sound reasonable / smart / whatever you want to call it. ##vote prplhz Why should mafia sound unmotivated and down in their early posts. Why should they post at all if they are unmotivated and down when their objective is to look townie. This post is too confident about too little for my taste and doesn't deliver any explanation why that mindset makes prpl scum. Explain why mafia would sound like that or you're scum Toad. Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker as mafia for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie he's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. I don´t think that would be my mafia mindset. You scumread prplhz for basically no reason at all and explain it with some bullshit about mafia mindset, not convincing.
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On July 07 2014 23:44 IAmRobik wrote: mderg saying he's afraid to engage with people is awkward. He has done plenty of that in previous games; at least he was actively engaging with me.
I'd think based off of previous experience mderg would be more villainous to me, but he's taking a pretty lax approach. Maybe he's just a forgiving guy, or maybe he's mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes Do you actually think that I was serious?
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On July 08 2014 00:10 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:04 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:44 IAmRobik wrote: mderg saying he's afraid to engage with people is awkward. He has done plenty of that in previous games; at least he was actively engaging with me.
I'd think based off of previous experience mderg would be more villainous to me, but he's taking a pretty lax approach. Maybe he's just a forgiving guy, or maybe he's mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes Do you actually think that I was serious? So you're lying again? Do you remember what I do to liars? I won´t respond to this properly since I would have to discuss an ongoing game.
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On July 08 2014 00:12 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:11 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:52 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:38 prplhz wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi don't really have any reads yet, a few tentative town reads is all. k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch. On July 07 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote: iamp, how do we feel about forumite's first post. Kinda resembles Koshi's with a tad more content. But the content smells bullshitty. I lean town nevertheless even though I'm not certain I agree with any of the conclusions at this moment What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. On July 07 2014 23:36 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi The fact you say I am ruining the thread hurts me more than you voting me. I am the entertainment value here. Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. about 75% of the posts have been useless including mine why pick koshi over anyone else. I'm interested into this too. Prpl, what do you think of Toad's stuff so far? I'd have expected you to fight back in some way by now. I'm actively withholding judgement on Toades. My first reaction was to ignore my read on Koshi and chainsaw Toades, but that would have been only based on him voting for prplhz. That´s not necessarily a scum trait, just reading prplhz wrong. On July 07 2014 23:44 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 23:42 IAmRobik wrote: If IAmP gets mislynched this game, I'm going to flame each and every one of you in post game. He's the broiest bro of all bros ive only been mislynched once. it doesn't happen ##vote: iamperfectionBased on the fact it won't happen that we mislynch iamp. Koshi, you have to own up on your vote for iamperfection and post it in the voting thread, it doesn´t count otherwise. pretty sure that was a joke. Your inability to read the thread has been noted. inability to read the thread =/= inability to understand a joke
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On July 08 2014 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:02 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:21 Toadesstern wrote:On July 07 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:05 Toadesstern wrote:YES BITCHES. I'm not fucking mafia again. Who is up to be my buddy on my legendary quest to murder all of mafia? So that being said I can somewhat guarantee you that I won't become a whiny emo bitch. But really only somewhat. Let's start with prplhz because he indeed is way to stiff for this game, especially in the very beginning. I agree with ... I think Vivax ... that he did sound unmotivated and down in his early posts. Combine that with posts like On July 07 2014 21:33 prplhz wrote: is has nothing to do with confidence or mentality but with an objective evaluation of the situation right now and he's easily #1 lynch target right now. If that post isn't some kind of super hard sarcasm that I'm not picking up on it's super "wtf is that guy even talking about" in a way that at the same time tries to sound reasonable / smart / whatever you want to call it. ##vote prplhz Why should mafia sound unmotivated and down in their early posts. Why should they post at all if they are unmotivated and down when their objective is to look townie. This post is too confident about too little for my taste and doesn't deliver any explanation why that mindset makes prpl scum. Explain why mafia would sound like that or you're scum Toad. Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker as mafia for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie he's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. I don´t think that would be my mafia mindset. You scumread prplhz for basically no reason at all and explain it with some bullshit about mafia mindset, not convincing. how is that not your mindset as mafia? There's 2 options. You either go into the game actually helping town as mafia or you go into the game not helping town while trying to look like it. I don't see any other possible mindsets and I don't think the first one is all that frequent. So go ahead, explain your mindset about mafia that differes from "trying to look like a townie without actually helping town" I would not post for the sake of posting as mafia. Every mafia wants to appear to help town without actually helping town but that´s not exactly what you said and would also not need 2 paragraphs to explain
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On July 08 2014 00:12 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:11 mderg wrote:On July 08 2014 00:10 IAmRobik wrote:On July 08 2014 00:04 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:44 IAmRobik wrote: mderg saying he's afraid to engage with people is awkward. He has done plenty of that in previous games; at least he was actively engaging with me.
I'd think based off of previous experience mderg would be more villainous to me, but he's taking a pretty lax approach. Maybe he's just a forgiving guy, or maybe he's mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes Do you actually think that I was serious? So you're lying again? Do you remember what I do to liars? I won´t respond to this properly since I would have to discuss an ongoing game. I outlined in my post this game what I do to liars. No need to discuss previous games. To me it seems more like you said what liars do to you.
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On July 08 2014 00:21 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:14 prplhz wrote: @Forumite Explain your meta read on me that makes you 99% sure. I have a long career of mislynching you after a weak scumread leads me to tunnel and ruin it for town. Since then I interpret weak scumreads on you as strong signs of townieness. that doesn´t make sense
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Do I really have to catch up 40 pages? I won´t get that done today but I´ll post some thoughts while reading.
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After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason.
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On July 08 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:00 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 01:55 IAmRobik wrote: Toad,
Your whole post is trying to say "forumite is too ballsy and for that I'm townreading him" but you're avoiding doing the latter at all costs. Why not just say something if you wanna say it. Why are you holding back nah, the whole point of the post is to explain that I've got two conflicting points about him. 1) the mini-case on him which certainly makes him look like he's not town 2) his reaction to all this, which does makes him look like town in my book I think both points are really good, at the least we've had a bunch of people stating that 1) is good so far, but most people ignore to give the 2nd one some thought, which makes it important enough to be pointed out. It's a post to get more opinions from people though. I'm not trying to get someone lynched with it. I want to hear what people make of it. The problem is that: seems like an illogical conclusion. The logical answer would be something along the lines of: "But his response is so damn ballsy that I kinda think he's town for it" then you can mentioned that you're conflicted and want him to post more I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. That he brings up these conflicting points and wants more thoughts on it seems pretty townie to me.
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On July 08 2014 02:49 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote: Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Is it your goal to get townies modkilled? Did you not read my post where I told people not to call me mafia because if they do I'll pretty much rip them a new one and will end up getting modkilled for it because I have no self control when it relates to getting called mafia when I'm town? Basically people are not allowed to scumread you because you´d get yourself modkilled? That´s not how this game is supposed to be played. You are not the center point of the world. Just throwing this out there because I hate your attitude.
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On July 08 2014 03:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote: Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
holy crap. This is the weakest, most "here's something I got but I'm TOTALLY NOT SURE SO DON'T TAKE IS SERIOUS PLS" post I've ever read Lynch this guy pretty please ##vote Corazon His post sounded a bit like my townplay when I was new to mafia. I can see why people see that as scummy but I don´t think it is. Confidence in your reads isn´t alignmment indicative to me.
Off to watch Brazil - Germany
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On July 08 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:I didn't understand until just now. He's joking because he doesn't have a day-vig ability obviously. Vivax is super duper town though. Yamato, what I've done is that I have 2 clear towns in iamperfection and vivax and I have suspicions on bunnies and the person your protecting for really poor reasons, who is just throwing fire on the flame by calling me mafia, with little to no justification. And you saying that I haven't been productive is also BS. If you're saying that then you must agree that I have not justified my reads and am just saying stuff to say stuff. Is this what you actually believe? if so, feel free to answer the questions I posed to him about what reads I haven't explained. I´m curious why you´re reading iamperfection and vivax as town. Maybe I just missed them but I couldn´t find any good reasons for your reads on them. From where I´m at I can´t see anything particularly townie from them. I would be glad, if you enlightened me, so I can also have strong townreads on them.
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On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: People I like Robik Toad Koshi Kush Iamperfection Batsnacks
People I don't Like Yamato ExO Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today Vivax VE Layabout Robik Forumite Cora
Drunk Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz. I have a hard time seeing anything that might help town in this post. You might as well have not posted anything at all. The list says almost nothing. There´s no reasons at all, so one can´t see your thought process behind the list. To me this looks like you want to appear like you have thoughts on many players without actually having to explain anything.
Saying that people just have to ask to get your proper reads also kinda supports my point. You can make up reasons for liking/ not liking someone relatively quickly, if you already know how you want to read them. This makes you appear to be trying to figure out the game without having to do anything.
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On July 08 2014 06:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 06:16 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 06:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 05:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 05:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:16 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 05:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote: [quote] worst post all time
srsly, why post these things when I'm trying to go to sleep Cause maybe you'll do something productive. Sleep is overrated On July 08 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: [quote]
Oh Ho! Why don't you like me then? Actually i'm curious why you don't like us 3? On July 08 2014 03:30 Damdred wrote: [quote]
It doesn't necessarily make you town and it doesn't make you scum at this point. However your post screams hey guys i'm a townie look i'm being helpful, which is cool it just brings heat down on you and makes you look like you are trying to be seen as town.
Toad seems to be playing semi-aggressive I don't know if that can be said he isn't scum hunting however at the moment anyway. Because of the above post. Idk. Seemed like a super weird thing to quote and enter the thread on. It's off to me. On July 08 2014 05:08 IAmRobik wrote: [quote] Should I be honored to be in 2 lists or are you just making up reads and putting people in random spots.
What don't you like about damdred? What do you like about Kush (who hasn't read his role pm, so you can't actually have a read on him)? What do you like about batsnacks? 1. You should be honored. Not making up reads. They each have a basis, and I'll be glad to expand on any of them. 2. See above. 3. Kush is in his IDGAF mode, and I like it. Atleast for day 1. If he keeps going into his idgaf mode, I'd kill him. 4. So my read on batsnacks is more of I always read him wrong, and I actually think he is scummy this game, so I'm flipping that read. Seriously, I've read him as mafia every game we have played together. I saw something interesting that I wanted to comment on, forgive me for not entering the thread with a hi everyone i got a lot of reading to do lol. I decided to participate with something that was interesting to me someone was giving a few reads and making themselves look like a townie. I don't think this is a good reason for you to dislike me. Okay, I suppose I get that. But what about it made it so much more interesting than the rest of the posts that were posted? I don't find really anything interesting in a post that is asking "OH hey guys let me highlight all the things that I think make me town, so let me ask you, does this certain post make me town?" And your response wasn't the best. So enlighten me. Sure, my post probably wasn't the best at that point and I was trying to enter the thread and trying to be helpful. So on that note I can see how I could be perceived scum or disliked someone who had been silent up until that point enters thread and tells someone that they are trying to hard to be town. Your right it was badly put and probably a bad post, but I do think that the post reads hey guys i'm a townie. Why was his post interesting to me instead of the other myriad of posts? Well he had just responded to someone who had said he was acting scummy and then he demonstrated how his post pointed more towards him being town. Can't help what I think is interesting and what I do not. Sometimes you have to grab onto something to engage with in the thread even if you don't come off the best. And I didn't call him scum or a town just gave my opinon on his post. Okay, thank you for you response. Can I ask you a few more questions? I've never played with you, and these may help my read on you. Have you caught up on all the pages? If so, what do you think of Koshi's posting? Most people say it's trolling and baseless, and could probably put Robik in that category, too. So what do you think of both Robik's and Koshi's posting? If you have caught up with the thread, can you give me 2 people you would not lynch and 2 people you would, then one sentence explaining each. Thanks I have read all of the thread and have tried to keep up to date. Koshis posting annoyed me a little with the riddles and what not, even though I understand that he was trying to stir up some kind of activity (possibly) from his postings the town does not benefit from random posts that clutter up the thread. However I do think his early postings were trolling and his later ones did add some thought to the thread, Robik's postings have been interesting and he has interacted with the people outside of being random, his overall overreaction to being called scum is note worthy and could be a deflection but i'm not sure. If I was forced to name a few people that gave me interest at this moment I would go with Forumite, VE. I wouldn't say lynch them, Forumites read early on is a bit odd and his and VE call to get a majority lynch in the first 24 hrs or so troubles me. The more time we have to talk and to pry information from people the better rather than the less time. Even though day 1 is always odd in my opinion and you don't have much to go on its always good to gauge how people react. I probably wouldn't lynch exo at this point, or toads. Exo has a history of playing aloof and you can never tell much about him day one. And Toads well hes playing pretty out there and drawing some attention to himself, even though its possible hes mafia hes more likely to be checked playing this way and wouldn't work in his favor I don't know about the rest of you guys, but this guy here is now off of my lynch list. Nothing he said in that post made me think he is town. He is right about more time = better. But it is moot to say it atm. We are going towards a long D1. His scumreads are pretty basic and not based on anything scummy. Just 2 people who opposed his opinion (more time = better). If you see what SloOsh typed and then what Damdred typed I would prefer to keep SlOosh in the game. Because it is more interesting to read. Damdred didn't do any work. VE his filter is pretty controversial anyway and he could actually say way more about VE then "he wants to lynch within 24h" but I feel like he is holding back. Holding back is always scummy. So yeah. Not liking Damdred atm. Not disliking maybe. Dnu. Depends on how smart he sounds later on. So I didn't initially like the post he came on. My pov, there were way more posts he could have quoted. Also, it was only this post he basically commented on, and then said nothing until I started questioning him, which is the original reason as to why I fosed him. However his reactions to my questioning seems quite townie. He is calm, and thoughtful, which I believe comes from a more townie mindset than a scummy mind set. I don't necessarily agree with his reads, but I don't see how he is scum for it. I agree with you on your sloosh read though. I don't see what robik is seeing in sloosh's posting, but I'm sure there will be an argument between them soon, and we can get a better read than that. I want to see more from you Dam, tho. You´re funny.
Damdred´s post seemed pretty average to me. Yes, not really scummy but nothing especially townie. Considering that you had him as scummy before this feels strange. Your reason for dropping the suspicion is basically that his reaction was calm and thoughtful.
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I´m on page 31 now. I´m pretty sure koshi is town, when I was scum with him he was scared about posting and nervous as shit. Here he is pretty clear about his reads and seems happy. That´s only based on meta but I´m confident about him being town.
I also think Robik is town. His egocentric posts implying that everyone besides him is bad feels pretty much like him in world cup mini. I haven´t played that many games with him, though, so I can´t be 100% sure.
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On July 09 2014 23:37 Alakaslam wrote: Also
Mderg not much time.
Read recent stuff I´m semi reading recent stuff. But it´s difficult to get what´s going on, if you don´t really know what was going on beforehand.
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On July 08 2014 08:00 slOosh wrote: It's more difficult for scum buddies to see an event and post similar responses simultaneously. It's more likely that they are both town. In anycase, let's get back to talking about Forumite / Toad / Robik. Sloosh is thinking more logical than others here. How is this crossposting alignment indicative at all. Unless it goes on for a long time it´s most likely a coincidence.
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On July 10 2014 00:03 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 00:00 mderg wrote:On July 08 2014 08:00 slOosh wrote: It's more difficult for scum buddies to see an event and post similar responses simultaneously. It's more likely that they are both town. In anycase, let's get back to talking about Forumite / Toad / Robik. Sloosh is thinking more logical than others here. How is this crossposting alignment indicative at all. Unless it goes on for a long time it´s most likely a coincidence. It has gone on all game dude In that case it´s suspicious as fuck
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Robik, I think you should take a short break and calm down a bit. If this continues, you´re gonna get yourself modkilled.
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On July 08 2014 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I think I want to lynch mderg. Meh. This surprised me. Completely out of the blue.
On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. Ok, this is just bad. I´m pretty sure that disagreeing with Toad´s pressure on prplhz is an opinion. Also not showing any signs of life after my first few posts is about as alignment indicative as my username being mderg. I guess quite a few people should know by now that I generally don´t have that much time on Mondays and Tuesdays.
Find me anything that isn´t 100% speculation and we can talk about it.
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On July 08 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote: jow, mderg if you are a blue it is time to start making cases now and be super useful. You wont get nightkilled with all these superb players playing for realsies. I really dislike this post. It´s incrediibly useless to tell me that. Doesn´t change my townread on you, though.
On July 08 2014 18:40 Koshi wrote:Yes. I am. But I am reading filters and making a gigantic post. Will take a lot of time. Maybe I should just post it in parts. Yes. smart. I will. Overview of interesting things in filters. No conclusions. Prplhz: - Defends Forumite from the start and continues to do so. Ex. Stating Forumite might have a good reason for his 99% townread without asking what the townread is. Ex. Arguing with slOosh about the question Forumite asked. - Very outspoken and aggressive. Ex. Entrance, towards Sinani and Exo, SlOosh vote. Iamperfection: - Many superficial posts. Page 3 is a good example. Both his Robik read and Damdred read are lazy. - Asked for 10 vigis. Should have been max 4 for somebody who has been in the thread the entire game. Again shows laziness. Toadesstern: - First case in the game, second case in the game. Both cases had scumhunting thoughtprocess behind them. Constant in search for scum. - After reading 1,5 pages confirmed town till lylo and blueclaims. (because he can’t be alive as town till then unless mass saves or something) Corazon: - This post is very town: Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:33 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote: Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. What the hell Iamp? The 4-5 posts in my filter have 30 times as much content and purpose as his entire filter. If all I did was post meme's, one-liners, and rage posts whenever someone called me scum, would you REALLY count that as activity? Reading Corazon his filter it is clear to me from the start that he is trying to push the game forward. He started with giving his opinion on 4 protagonists (Toad/Koshi/Forumite/Robik) and then trew out a comment on Yamato. Making the above post 2 minutes after reading iamps post indicates to me that Corazon is very aware of Robik his filter and is very confident about his own filter. Something a scummer wouldn’t be so confident about. slOosh: - Made a good case on Forumite and limited his posts around Forumite. However, SlOosh never stated to not have read the thread and was open for any questions about anything. Nowhere he shows a lack of confidence. Vivax: I want to point out the difference in iamp (because I already read his) and Vivax his filter by quoting these 5 posts that Vivax chained: + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2014 00:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:11 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:52 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:38 prplhz wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi don't really have any reads yet, a few tentative town reads is all. k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch. On July 07 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote: iamp, how do we feel about forumite's first post. Kinda resembles Koshi's with a tad more content. But the content smells bullshitty. I lean town nevertheless even though I'm not certain I agree with any of the conclusions at this moment What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. On July 07 2014 23:36 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi The fact you say I am ruining the thread hurts me more than you voting me. I am the entertainment value here. Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. about 75% of the posts have been useless including mine why pick koshi over anyone else. I'm interested into this too. Prpl, what do you think of Toad's stuff so far? I'd have expected you to fight back in some way by now. I 'm actively withholding judgement on Toades. My first reaction was to ignore my read on Koshi and chainsaw Toades, but that would have been only based on him voting for prplhz. That´s not necessarily a scum trait, just reading prplhz wrong.
On July 07 2014 23:44 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 23:42 IAmRobik wrote: If IAmP gets mislynched this game, I'm going to flame each and every one of you in post game. He's the broiest bro of all bros ive only been mislynched once. it doesn't happen ##vote: iamperfectionBased on the fact it won't happen that we mislynch iamp. Koshi, you have to own up on your vote for iamperfection and post it in the voting thread, it doesn´t count otherwise. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:21 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:14 prplhz wrote: @Forumite Explain your meta read on me that makes you 99% sure. I have a long career of mislynching you after a weak scumread leads me to tunnel and ruin it for town. Since then I interpret weak scumreads on you as strong signs of townieness. Idk, shouldn't he be townreading Toad based on what he said? Or where does he draw the line between a weak scumread on prpl and strong one when it comes to Toad? On July 08 2014 01:24 Vivax wrote:The way VE entered the thread kinda gives me the feeling he already wanted to call me scum before he read all that stuff. One point that makes me think of that is that first he called me scummy for reacting poorly to forumite calling me out. When he realized he actually didn't call me out, he called me scummy for reacting to him in the first place. It just doesn't make sense that I should react only to guys talking about me, so it just looks like an adjustment after his previous point was made invalid. His arguments for my reaction being poor were: Show nested quote +And look at how he frames it - he's calling the guy mafia in a way that reeks of trying to identify with the crowd. "You're clearly not in the same frame of mind as me and these other guys who are town" Which is a perfectly fine argument in line with mafia not looking at the game the same way a townie does. All the way not considering that forumite's preference for Koshi over me or anyone else talking about random stuff has no explanation. On July 08 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote: What's the deal with those kush votes? On July 08 2014 01:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 01:27 kushm4sta wrote:And look at how he frames it - he's calling the guy mafia in a way that reeks of trying to identify with the crowd. "You're clearly not in the same frame of mind as me and these other guys who are town" also this thought is usually too in depth for mafia isn't it? The depth of mafia arguments is up to their creativity, and I wouldn't put it past VE to be creative. Besides, he says my intention was to identify with a town crowd, when my intention was to show why forum could be scum. As said, it looks to me like he was just trying to find scum motives behind my play at any cost. On July 08 2014 01:37 Vivax wrote: Can Cav, Robik and VE explain what about kush's post makes him instascum? This chain is what I like to see in filters D1. He hits multiple people at the same time and is clearly looking for scum. Good stuff. I like the thoughts on Toad, Cora and Vivax. Toad definitely looks like he´s scumhunting. I also think Cora is town, his play feels a bit like my earlier town games. Vivax looks to be scumhunting.
I consider all three of them as town for now.
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On July 08 2014 19:08 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Re: Forumite, I didn't like the reasons he said he was suspicious of Koshi - initially it was because of his fluffy riddle posts at the beginning, and he further went on to say that he "hitched onto" Toad's case on Forumite adding his own "complex reasoning" or whatever. So ultimately that's where his vote is.
And his read on prplhz...like, at first he said like "99% sure" and has described him as confirmed town. And the reasoning he gave is pretty bad - but not one I can really argue with because it's based on a personal metric that may or may not be true.
I want to hear others' thoughts on Forumite. I think ultimately I'd rather wait on him, but I might be convinced to lynch him. Me calling prplhz 99% townie was another way of saying that I´m never considering him for a lynch, I explained that later. Now Toades tunnels because he didn´t get the answer he wanted, honesty wasn´t good enough. Koshi made a convoluted reasoning why I posted what I posted which was basically WIFOM. I´d find it if his filter wasn´t so bloated. Then sloosh sheeps to fake activity and BM votes without reading my posts. Alakaslam sheeps Toades but this one I can at least understand, he found someone he thinks is town and votes the same way. Bill Murray, you´ve allready voted for me so post it in the thread. No stealth-votes! My vote stays on Koshi because his case on me is shit. I don´t like Robik either but could be personal because he´s bad mannered. Robiks preemptive OMGUS looks like a good scum move, but I don´t know anything about either Robik, this might be his normal playstyle. I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here. At that point koshi was already very townie, there´s no reason to believe that koshi is town. Maybe scum forumite would be scared of backing down because it might seem inconsistent? Not sure but that doesn´t really look like scumhunting.
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On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit. Would you prefer a no lynch over an iamperfection lynch?
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Some more catching up.
On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post.
On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: . . . I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. . . .
I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious.
On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie.
Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days...
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On July 10 2014 09:11 layabout wrote:wow mderg that's pretty scummy you haven't changed at all since: Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. Wait it's an omgus, that's almost an action What? If you can´t see a change in my play, you either didn´t read my filter. I also find this to be very hypocritical because you gave less opinions than me and did almost nothing before your defense of VE/ pressure on me.
On July 10 2014 10:08 layabout wrote:at page 42 and i can't believe that koshi could head up a wagon kinda don't want to post properly yet but since you insist kush.. Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Layabout I find your shitting on mderg's post overly simplistic and just untrue. Look at his reasoning which I quoted. Do you not find that valid? What is scummy about it? kush the very statement that VE was convinced mderg was scum is untrue. If you look at VE's posts around the time he is clearly willing to move to Exo could get behind a forumite lynch and is open to nearly anyone that isn't very active as a potential lynch. Hell look at his vote post: Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Re: Forumite, I didn't like the reasons he said he was suspicious of Koshi - initially it was because of his fluffy riddle posts at the beginning, and he further went on to say that he "hitched onto" Toad's case on Forumite adding his own "complex reasoning" or whatever. So ultimately that's where his vote is.
And his read on prplhz...like, at first he said like "99% sure" and has described him as confirmed town. And the reasoning he gave is pretty bad - but not one I can really argue with because it's based on a personal metric that may or may not be true.
I want to hear others' thoughts on Forumite. I think ultimately I'd rather wait on him, but I might be convinced to lynch him. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 08 2014 10:48 yamato77 wrote: This thread is depressing.
VE, I read mderg before I went to sleep and didn't feel all that put off by his filter. What posts make you feel like he's just posting to post?
Also, could you read ObiWan for me? Just that he hasn't posted any opinions of anyone or anything that's happened. Like, the only time he has anything even close to relevant to say, it's in response to people calling him out. It's mostly a "feels" thing with mderg, but it's a strong "feels" for me. He "feels" scummy to me. I know you love my "feels". Click the nested bit!!mderg says that that isn't "close to a scumread" however, I would say it's a description of scummy behavior making it pretty much "close to a scumread" mderg is either lying or is inattentive. His actions not only fit but match VE's day1 play in nearly every game i have seen him in. VE's vote typically bounces around all over the place. VE is clearly open to a number of lynches and is actively considering other lynche candidate eg corazon. Mderg's point that VE swapped from a hard read to someone who he didn't think was scummy is also totally misrepresentative. mderg is not only adding a throwaway point but one that is not valid If you still aren't convinced about VE give this a read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=VisceraEyes&page=2mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town, not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so. I will likely get onto this later but nothing looked town about obiwan's entrance into the thread and i am surprised it hasn't been jumped on yet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22528115 Considering how much VE tried to push me he seemed pretty convinced of my scumminess.
VE´s ObiWanShinobi read was only after being asked about it and to me it looked like: "Yeah, he didn´t do much". I don´t see that as a scumread.
I can´t comment on VE´s meta other than I know he´s getting mislynched often.
I don´t understand that last paragraph.
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On July 09 2014 03:11 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 03:04 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 03:01 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 02:59 Forumite wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: IAmRobik So what's your reason for voting robik now? Pressure? What´s your reason for defending him? Fine. I am not defending anyone. Since you're my lynch target, I want to know every single one of your moves to decide if you're the correct lynch for today. But voting for robik with 0 reasom is probably not a good way to avoid a majority lynch. I think I remember you saying that you don´t make reads D1 in another game. Here it seems like you really want forumite to be lynched. What changed?
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Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic.
On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote: you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you
On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me.
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On July 10 2014 18:41 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 03:11 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 03:04 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 03:01 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 02:59 Forumite wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: IAmRobik So what's your reason for voting robik now? Pressure? What´s your reason for defending him? Fine. I am not defending anyone. Since you're my lynch target, I want to know every single one of your moves to decide if you're the correct lynch for today. But voting for robik with 0 reasom is probably not a good way to avoid a majority lynch. I think I remember you saying that you don´t make reads D1 in another game. Here it seems like you really want forumite to be lynched. What changed?
On July 09 2014 12:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 12:47 Corazon wrote:On July 09 2014 12:43 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 12:33 Corazon wrote:On July 09 2014 12:30 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 12:24 Corazon wrote:On July 09 2014 12:20 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 06:53 Forumite wrote:Thanks. Yes, I remember reading that case, it´s quite good, also it´s not about lynching me which is a bonus. ##Vote: iamperfection Also, how do you townread forumite after he looked so happy not being lynched? Would a town go 'yea as long as you dont lynch me any read is fine'? I would like to answer your question with 2 questions: 1. Do you really want to get lynched? (Give me a real answer, I won't judge you for it) 2. Would mafia just simply go out and say they dont want to be lynched plainly? I dont mind getting lynched if I fucked up. But if someone decides to mislynch me with bad reasoning ill flip. Yes and no. Think about it this way. Scum knows its too obvious to blatantly say that they don't want to be lynched, so most of the time it will be townread. TBH that second response seems like a lot of WIFOM to me. A wise man once said "WIFOM makes the world go round" - alexander the great Ok probably I made that quote up. And they didnt know the world was round at that point in time either. Anyway, WIFOM is what scum uses to deflect argument. It is easy to contribute most arguments as WIFOM. You just need to think what town|forumite will do as opposed to scum|forumite. In this case, it makes more sense for scum|forumite to do this. This is because he aggressively townread people early on, aroused suspicions and then quickly tried to put pressure off himself. After a whole day of forumite bbq, he is finally able to take the pressure off him and the first thing he says is 'at least im not lynched so lets sheep this case'. Definitely doesnt feel town. Alright, I disagree with you on this and I guess that makes our reads different. Not much else to say about it Dont worry, my d1 reads are usually rubbish since I need time to read up on responses, voting patterns and eod results before I come up with any solid conclusion. Sometimes when I look back to my d1 reads I disagree with them too Seems like you still think similar to that other game. Forget what I said earlier.
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On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. This just doesn´t make sense. Why would you want to lynch Robik who has a disgustingly long filter? You don´t really want to lynch iamperfect D1 because he has a long filter but you want to lynch Robik who also has a long filter. You would only need to click on Robik´s filter to see that this doesn´t make any sense.
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On July 10 2014 21:12 Koshi wrote:mderg is way too much in this thread to be going forward so slow. I also know for a fact mderg can just powerread and play in the present time. I do not know why he is playing like he is playing. He should say why. Somewhere he says he will need 2 more days to catch up. hahahaha. So silly. So untrue. And I am sure mderg is pretty active this game because: Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 02:38 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit. Would you prefer a no lynch over an iamperfection lynch? He knows how close we are to an iamperfection lynch, he himself has not yet voted, but he seems to be pushing an iamperfection lynch here? I think mderg is smart enough to know that waiting on iamp his last post would be a good call. Especially if mderg is around to help the hammer. We still had 3 hours. mderg posts a lot of things while catching up, but I have the feeling he is pretty up to date. Him scumreading yamato is also pretty meh. yamato was not hiding at all on this iamp lynch. You are right that I could powerread this thread and play in the present. But that would mean that I have basically no idea about anything that happened. Good luck powerreading about 60 pages and remembering anything after that.
How are you supposed to know how long it takes for me to catch up with the thread? You don´t know how fast I read, you don´t know how much time I´m spending on this, you don´t know what else is going on in my life. Stating anything like that is completely ridiculous.
Of course I knew how close you were to an iamperfection lynch, I said that I was kinda reading what´s new, and that I did. But I had no idea why he was getting lynched, so I didn´t really have an opinion on him. My post you quoted was just about prefering an iamperfection lynch over a no lynch since a no lynch sucks. I also didn´t expect anyone to hammer him so early because it makes basically no sense to do that as any alignment.
You also didn´t address kush´s and layabout´s points on me which make far more sense than the bullshit you said.
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On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me:
On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote: you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me.
On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: . . . I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. . . .
I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days...
I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.
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On July 11 2014 00:12 Vivax wrote: So your scumreads are Cora, forum and yamato?
Do you still scumread yamato? You forgot VE.
He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely.
On July 11 2014 00:19 Damdred wrote: Mderg when did your opinion on cora change?
On July 10 2014 19:58 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. This just doesn´t make sense. Why would you want to lynch Robik who has a disgustingly long filter? You don´t really want to lynch iamperfect D1 because he has a long filter but you want to lynch Robik who also has a long filter. You would only need to click on Robik´s filter to see that this doesn´t make any sense.
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On July 11 2014 00:23 prplhz wrote: it's more interesting that the reason he thinks cora is mafia was already there when he thought he was town I don´t think so. If it was, I missed it.
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On July 11 2014 00:27 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 00:23 prplhz wrote: it's more interesting that the reason he thinks cora is mafia was already there when he thought he was town I don´t think so. If it was, I missed it. i obviously checked But I don´t remember seeing his post when I thought he was town.
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On July 11 2014 01:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 00:25 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 00:12 Vivax wrote: So your scumreads are Cora, forum and yamato?
Do you still scumread yamato? You forgot VE. He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely. On July 11 2014 00:19 Damdred wrote: Mderg when did your opinion on cora change? On July 10 2014 19:58 mderg wrote:On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. This just doesn´t make sense. Why would you want to lynch Robik who has a disgustingly long filter? You don´t really want to lynch iamperfect D1 because he has a long filter but you want to lynch Robik who also has a long filter. You would only need to click on Robik´s filter to see that this doesn´t make any sense. so you also saw how atrocious cora is playing now. Do something, vote him. Or else I will take this as a scum motive and move away from my cora wagon to mderg wagon for playing only when you're asked to Yeah, Cora is really scummy but we still have quite some time left. What do you mean by playing only when I´m asked to?
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On July 11 2014 01:40 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 22:52 IAmRobik wrote: Seems like Bill the donkey Murray could be setting up a "why would I say I was gonna lynch him the next day if I night killed him" about me. Bringing it up back for attention btw WIFOM tells me scum killed Robik to make bm suspicious.
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On July 11 2014 02:13 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:06 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 01:40 HaruRH wrote:On July 10 2014 22:52 IAmRobik wrote: Seems like Bill the donkey Murray could be setting up a "why would I say I was gonna lynch him the next day if I night killed him" about me. Bringing it up back for attention btw WIFOM tells me scum killed Robik to make bm suspicious. So they changed their vote after bm said that even tho it was very close to eod?? And how do you have a town read enough on bm to believe in that conspiracy? Not impossible that scum was there. bm is null for me. What makes me believe in that "conspiracy" is that bm may could have changed the kill. It´s 100% WIFOM, though.
On July 11 2014 02:33 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:06 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 01:40 HaruRH wrote:On July 10 2014 22:52 IAmRobik wrote: Seems like Bill the donkey Murray could be setting up a "why would I say I was gonna lynch him the next day if I night killed him" about me. Bringing it up back for attention btw WIFOM tells me scum killed Robik to make bm suspicious. Rules tells me that palmar will only accept night actions 1 hour before the deadline And robik only said that within the hour, which palmar wasn't going to accept it WIFOM with cheeseburger Read the op, it clearly says that mafia nightkills can be changed within the last hour.
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On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote: you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: . . . I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. . . .
I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie.
If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped.
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On July 11 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote: you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum.
The plot thickings
*dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: . . . I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. . . .
I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie. If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped. well I think mderg is kinda scummy yea I can see a vote on him working out maybe we lynch him today? You´re just fucking dumb
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On July 11 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote: The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it.
kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch
my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable
furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda" So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that? But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue. Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now. I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well. I thought VE had a pretty strong scumread on me. So his switch to ObiWan was odd as he made only one post about him before. I didn´t see anything that looked like a scumread in that post, so I thought VE was scummy.
It´s actually pretty unlikely that VE is scum now that ObiWan flipped scum, though.
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I´m too tired to do anything worthwhile tonight, so I´ll go to bed.
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On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote: Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.
Do you:
a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above Explain. Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE. It was about a previous scumread on VE.
On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote: So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point.
I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point.
But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work?
And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as:
Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout
and would like to hear from them in the thread Why do you have layabout in both lists?
Your half defense on me sucks. It keeps your options open and doesn´t commit to any real stance on me. That´s exactly the kind of "defense" I´d expect from scum.
##vote Exo
About my silence: Have you ever heard of a continent called Europe? heard that people sleep there sometimes (usually at night).
I won´t bother defending myself anymore. My time should better be spend on finding scum.
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On July 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: What about we do not kill mderg yet? hmmmm? Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched.
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On July 12 2014 01:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:27 mderg wrote:On July 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: What about we do not kill mderg yet? hmmmm? Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched. Well... The rules state that Palmar needs to say 12h in front of the end of a day. I don't know if we are already 24h or 48h in the day but w.e Could you just make your last post now? We are waiting for it and then we will hammer. Make it count broski. Give me like 2 hours, I still have something else to do.
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anyone who wants to hammer me before I make my lasts read doesn´t have town interests in mind.
I will begin to work on my reads post now, will take some time because of double-checking and shit.
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I won´t be in this thread for some hours. My reads:
Town
Koshi He´s been very active and pushing the thread forward. He´s also pretty clear and straight forward with his thoughts. Feels very different from the game we were scum together.
yamato I thought he was scum before but he´s actually done a lot for town. He was right about Cora and wanted to get ObiWan lynched. Was a central part of discussion and stated clear opinions on pretty much every major topic in the thread.
Toadesstern His D1 was very townie. He was on ObiWan and was clear about his intentions about iamp. In general I don´t think the major pushers of iamp are likely to be scum. It´s more likely to be the ones who just kinda went along with the lynch. I also see where he´s going with bm.
Leaning town
VE Mostly because he was on ObiWan. He also got called out by Robik for lying, I consider this to be more likely to happen to a townie. I didn´t like how he just went along with the iamp lynch. Overall I´d say he´s probably town.
Vivax I don´t really know why but I get a townie feeling about him. That I can´t see anything specific puts some small doubts in my mind, though.
Null but interesting
kushm4sta Going on about not reading his role pm sucks but is in no way alignment indicative. He was stating ObiWan as a possible lynch target which points slightly towards town but he didn´t push on that or any of the lurker lynch targets. He voted iamp without much reasoning (and wanted an early hammer? "Please let that be hammer. ") He was also not very active in the recent past.
Leaning scum
forumite He seemed kinda jumpy and made little sense at some points. He also had an immense activity drop after D1. That´s pretty much it. Slightly leaning scum on him.
Exo I don´t like his policy to not make reads D1 but he always seems to do that. Besides that he did very little to solve the game. I didn´t like his defense of me because he didn´t bring up any reason for why the case on me might not be so great and he even made a (bad) point against me. It´s not that he defended me, it´s that he didn´t defend me while still appearing to defend me. The only point speaking in his favor is the vote on ObiWan which I admittedly missed (I blame koshi for that because he didn´t let me catch up how I wanted to catch up)
Bill Murray His filter almost entirely consists of oneliners. He pretty much didn´t make any reads this game, sounds scummy, right? There´s also Robiks nightkill prediction but I don´t think that´s very strong. Then came his roleblock shenanigans. These make it very likely that he´s some sort of tracker, I think it´s more likely that this role is town aligned but in this setup this doesn´t mean much. Overall scummy.
Scum
HaruRH He was pretty inactive D1 but I´m inclined to believe his reason for that. I didn´t like how he pushed koshi´s lynch list while not really giving any reasoning on the lynch targets himself (except forumite, it´s unlikely that these two are scum together). I also didn´t like how he blindly sheeped Robik´s read when he was dead. That was really. His case on me was also pretty bad, some reasons he brought up are straight up wrong. Now that I´m most likely getting lynched he disappeared for whatever reason. Overall pretty scummy.
layabout The most important point is that he wanted me to be hammered. There´s no reason a townie would want that when I promised to share my reads before that. Worst case scenario would be that I flip scum and my reads mean nothing. So why not wait for my reads? He did exactly nothing D1. He then made some condescending post after iamp flipped then made some throwaway posts and fucked off. The case on me was at least substantiated even though there was no scum agenda in my posts. He wasn´t nearly as scummy as Haru and would normally be in the leaning scum category but wanting the hammer puts him down a lot.
Some thoughts about my general game: I think quite a bit of this lynch is related to how I was catching up, not playing in the present and such. With koshi "forcing" me to stop my catching up. This led to some oversights and inconsistencies in my play. Some unfortunate coincidents and some bad play on my side.
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On July 12 2014 05:05 layabout wrote: dude i havent even read everything yet but i have still manage to post about what is relevant
that was totally not worth the wait we should have just killed him there´s reads on 11 of 20 players left in the game. I think that´s worth it.
On July 12 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote: Question for mderg, why do you have layabout and Haru posted as scum but you voted for someone that you were leaning scum in such a knee jerk fashion? It would probably of been less scummy going for one of them rather than voteing exo like you did if you had such a scum read on them to. I voted Exo because his post looked awful at that moment. I don´t keep lists who is exactly how scummy all the time, so the vote was a decision for that moment. Also layabout wasn´t that scummy at the point I voted, he just got way down in my list because wanting the hammer. I could have changed the vote but that wouldn´t have changed anything. I will 99,9% be lynched anyway.
On July 12 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:town in world cupscum in detention mafiascum in Normal mini numberedtown in Glory seeker mafiaOk so here is some meta. If you look at the scum games you see that mderg starts a lot of sentences with "I think" "I don't think" "I don't like" etc. He doesn't do it in World Cup. He doesn't do it here. Sadly he does it a lot in Glory Seeker mafia as town as well. so meh. Anybody else seeing differences or similarities? Time to get some towncred and be useful guys! I do that all the time as either alignment. Sometimes more sometimes less but that doesn´t depend on my alignment.
On July 12 2014 05:21 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 05:12 layabout wrote: sorry 2 leaning town
if he is saying there are only 5 people he thinks could be town then he isn't keeping up i have about 12 Yeah, but you aren't on the chopping block. If he is town he might wants his reads to be really valuable. So he is not going to take the risk of calling people town whom he is not sure off. In your list of 12. Are these 5 the strongest townreads? nope, not close he doesn't have any of the townreads on people that have less presence or might get overlooked but have still done enough to look town for example sinani or alakaslam, you know the read that you get if you are paying attentionj behind or not. he has instead gone for people who tend to have more presence and attention like toad you and ve, the kind of townies that look more obvious to mafia since they are worried about people listening to them It´s funny how you mention those two. I think thread sentiment on them is town. So it´s unlikely they´d get mislynched.
There´s one vote missing on me, right? If you want I can hammer myself.
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On July 12 2014 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't hammer yourself, but if you want to claim now would be the time to do it. I would have done that already
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On July 12 2014 07:36 layabout wrote: Phone posting mderg if you read them as town and you were town you would have said
plus all this posturing about voting for yourself is typically something mafia said
can we flip him? Fuck all is going to happen and i am tired of waiting I never said that I read them as town. I mentioned them because they didn´t really fit your description about them.
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On July 12 2014 07:48 slOosh wrote: Also he is voting exo for not considering him scum. Doesn't make sense. The vote was cast for appearing to defend me without actually defending me.
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On July 12 2014 07:59 Koshi wrote: Mderg I am supertired. Why are you town?
Give us all the reasons. I´m honestly too tired to do that. The probability of me not being lynched is 0%
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