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mderg
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Fist scum caught, too easy. ##vote sinani206 | ||
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On June 27 2014 07:10 kushm4sta wrote: is there some reasoning to this, however dumb it may be? twitch chat | ||
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On June 27 2014 07:13 kushm4sta wrote: i still dont understand personal hate against anything twitch chat related. Also no one who wants to be taken seriously should ever say the k-word  | ||
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On June 27 2014 07:35 IAmRobik wrote: 1) Palmar town 2) Sinani prolly maf 3) Everyone claim your country immediately! This may seem insignificant now, but will prove very vital later in the game (i'll explain this part when it arises). I'm Greece It´s always interesting to see how some people have reads like these about 2 pages into the game with pretty much no content. On June 27 2014 13:49 ObviousOne wrote: That is quite remarkable. Maybe you have thoughts about sinani, or Palmar, or maybe you want to address one of the two people I listed? it´s not that remarkable at this stage of the game. Why would you think so? I like how you´re trying to get this game going in a more serious direction. | ||
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On June 27 2014 17:07 ObviousOne wrote: My original reaction was similar, but his entire first page of filter is useless because he didn't (or claims to have have not yet) read his role PM. The only post I could really try to get a read off of him for is This is to Robik in response to Robik's town read on Palmar. Palmar would be neutral except for how he bowed out of the thread for the day, which made me lean far to the green, so I agree with Robik and this post makes me think that Kush also sees Palmar as town (he didn't disagree with the premise that Palmar is town, only about Robik's fallibility in assuming it.) What's the deal then with the adversarial tone? I'd say neutral read on Kush from me pending the answer to this question. Is there a history between them, did Kush lose a game because of Robik or something? Does Kush know Palmar is town, and Robik is town, and is just "yeah yeah"ing before going quiet? Kush are you mafia? What about Palmar´s play makes people think he is town? I don´t see how his bowing out of the thread is indicative of him being town. I think that kush had about nothing game relevant in his filter. It´s not alignment indicative for now. His post you quoted suggests that he has some kind of history with Robik (I don´t know about this, though) so his alignment is just a question mark for me. | ||
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On June 27 2014 17:28 ObviousOne wrote: Palmar's anger at derp. Nice genuine post. Easy early town read. I´m not sure, if that actually makes him town. | ||
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So Robik is probably town. Like no sane scum would do that. | ||
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On June 28 2014 03:44 IAmRobik wrote: calling it now for post-game sake mafia = mdreg, haruh, sinani definitely wrong | ||
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about 1,5/3 Not sure about haru | ||
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On June 28 2014 17:27 Palmar wrote: I think mderg has a slight chance of being town, but he's good as scum so I wouldn't put too much into it. His observation about Robik was decent. I wouldn´t say I´m good as scum, I´m just not scared of being suspicious. On June 28 2014 17:30 Vivax wrote: Palmar, are you telling me you made an awful case on purpose? Can't say it's not believable, but if that's your legit town strat rethink it fast cause it can lead to mislynches when there is a sufficient amount of bad townies following it. Mass > class for newbies. And yes, I agree that Koshi is scummy. I have yet to see the strong desire to win in his play, the inquisitiveness etc. I might be willing to unvote you if you provide more insight into what your plan was with that case and if you generally comment on more stuff. The Robik "slip" and more importantly how some people reacted to it. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Huge summary of own thoughts but the whole Robik situation is so wifomy that I think I'll give it low weight. Such plays are terrible plays that mostly just cause confusion but I'll try to reach some conclusions from it nontheless. Spoilered so you can read it if you are really bored and value my 2c. I think kush and sinani are town, cause their reactions were similar to mine and cause kush is giving me some town feelz with more recent posts. I don't see anything wrong with sinani backpedaling from his vote cause I would have done the same. Exo should be a lynch candidate for today. In no way I see that unlurking in that situation with lack of followup as townie. With Cava I'm finding it hard to believe that his first vote of that situation wasn't serious. I don't see the assertiveness and tryharding I would expect from town Koshi, but I'm reluctant to put it on either side of lazy or scummy and it's a quite subjective thing. Oh and Robik. If scum knows you're town they also know that there was something wrong in that post of yours, which means they would be less prone to fall for it, which doesn't mean they wouldn't take advantage of it if they had the chance (see exo). + Show Spoiler + THe thing with Robik's shitty play there is that if he's town, scum knows they don't have to do anything until a sufficient amount of townies decides to lynch him, on the other hand it's also a safe place for a vote for scummers who weren't active to begin with. If he's scum, they will shit their pants unless it was planned, leading to some overreaction following backpedaling when they realize it's not actually as bad as it looks. As summary of the situation, I would say kush's and sinani's reactions were the most similar to mine. I wasn't sure if it was serious until I read the part where Robik wonders if he should keep trying. In retrospect yes, it was unlikely it was a real slip since he also openly said he was fishing for roles in the same post, but I fell for it too (mostly cause of what Robik wrote afterwards) and only later embraced the fact it was probably on purpose when the waters calmed down. I see Rainbow's reaction as ok given his high activity during the time and the fact he was scrutinizing Robik when that happened. What I don't see as analogous to mine are Exo's and Cava's reactions. Exo didn't post anything of substance up until that point and it puzzles me how Koshi reads that as town when the first time a guy contributes is when there is a seemingly easy vote popping up, Koshi puzzles me in general and I don't get the townzie feelzies I should: Koshi didn't chime into that situation at all at a time when he was seemingly in the thread and that is not a good sign. When he chimed in he was completely unimpressed. The only time when I would be so unimpressed of such a play from Robik is when I knew it wasn't something to be taken seriously in the first place, is when I know Robik is town, for example. Koshi is a tryhard town player and he doesn't like open questions, he lacks the same seriousness in this game, he more silently than loudly endorsed Palmar's bad case on me and when that alarms Palmar as well, should he indeed be town, then it should alarm you too. As for Cava, I see him dropping the vote with a "omfg Robik" remark, then being silent until he comes back saying that Koshi is town. What follows is a kind of forced casual and tas a jokey interaction with Robik where Robik is dead serious and Cava dodges it by claiming his vote was "to bother him", which tbh didn't look much like that when he wrote "omfg Robik". Could see this coming from scum who sees the opportunity but then seeing everyone else letting off decides to follow the trend instead of pushing somebody for that of whom they know the alignment anyway. Vivax seems pretty town after this, he shows the critical thought process I would expect from a townie. The point that scum would not fall for the slip that easily makes a lot of sense (I feel bad for not realizing that). I agree about Exo. He hasn´t contributed anything at all but unlurked to vote Robik when it seemed like his lynch was getting traction, just to disappear again. At the very least that play is not helping town. He should definitely be pressured. Maybe he will actually give some insights once he gets voted. Thinking about this Rainbow and sinani are not as scummy anymore. They both didn´t really disappear after the Robik votes as I first thought they did. It also should have been obvious to them that he did not actually slip, if they were mafia. ##unvote ##vote Exo | ||
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On June 28 2014 19:17 Vivax wrote: Mderg I'm curious though why you didn't talk about Koshi or Cava yet. Sure, Exo shines by inactivity on top of his reaction but even then it would be just 1 of 3 scum if we're right. Don't you have a read on those two already? I have a hard time reading koshi. His reaction to Palmar´s case on you is strange but I don´t get the scummy vibes from him. I also don´t think his non reaction to Robik´s supposed scumslip is scummy. So I don´t really know what to think of him. Cav is a bit suspicious for 2 things, wanting to lynch between you and Palmar and not explaining his Robik vote/not unvoting immediately. Both are kinda suspicious but I could imagine him doing that as town, so I don´t think he should be lynched day 1. | ||
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On June 28 2014 19:31 Vivax wrote: So now that you changed your mind about sinani which two people would you lynch aside from Exo if you had the choice. I´ve always hated this question Probably Cav but I wouldn´t want him lynched today. Maybe haru because his play seems different from the only? game I´ve played with him. In Detention mafia his posts seemed more analytical. It would be more of a shot in the dark, though. I also don´t like Robik that much anymore since he made this trap which is actually more likely to make townies look bad than scum. | ||
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On June 28 2014 19:38 Vivax wrote: Oh and your opinion on TehPoofter would be nice too, almost forgot to ask about the guy. Sorry if I'm annoying you with the questions but it's kind of hard to find hard opinions on most players in your filter so it would be nice if you could communicate such a thing to the whole thread if you have it, thanks. I don´t see anything wrong with his play. The only thing I don´t like is his read on you and having a different read on someone isn´t really alignment indicative. | ||
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On June 28 2014 20:06 Vivax wrote: And why is Cav suspicious for his scumread on me and Palmar but Poofter isn't? I have a really hard time following if you really find that a valid argument for somebody being scum or not cause you seem to use it both ways. I think Cav and Poofter were different in that. Cav wanted to lynch between you and Palmar presumably because of the case Palmar made on you. I don´t think he actually gave the reason for that, though. I don´t like that. Poofter on the other hand was pretty clear about his read on you. On June 28 2014 20:23 Vivax wrote: You're focusing a bit too much on keeping your opinions about these guys in balance between scummy and not by finding arguments you don't seem very convinced of yourself. Could display you're not very confident about which tells you use, but could also display you have a hard time deciding how to communicate your read of people that might or might not be your buddies. Let's take TeHPoofter, both Kush and Rain both kinda shat on what he was saying about me. Your opinion mirrors what happened there but at the same time doesn't lean out of the window too much. With Cava it's pretty much the same except that Kush and Rain both read him as scum. When I ask you about two people you would lynch outside of Exo Cav is in there but Poofter isn't. Kush and Rain both push Cav but not Poofter. I have this feeling you're adjusting your play to Kush and Rain cause they both push Cava. You call him scummy (for an additional reason to what they said: His read on me) too but leave a caveat. Poofter you also seem to dislike for his read on me but you feel comfortable not calling him scummy. Kush and Rain didn't call him scum either. I don´t dislike poofter, I just think his read on you is wrong. | ||
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On June 28 2014 20:48 Koshi wrote: Fuck no... It's soccer tonight...... amagad But we should all know the result already. | ||
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On June 28 2014 22:18 Vivax wrote: It's also time for some action cause I found a scum: ##shoot: mderg Watch him flip red and shit bricks you didn´t find scum. And your reasoning is shit. | ||
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