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On July 07 2014 22:31 Koshi wrote:
Ok riddle for Vivax only cuz he is pretty cool and the rest isn't, maybe also prplhz for cool answer. The first to answer will never be voted by me.
I need both answers for these questions, you cannot look up the answer on the interwebz, or jeebus will punish you.
1) You trow 2 coins in the air simultanously, mid air jeebus wispers in your ear that at least 1 coin will be head. After hearing jeebus talk into your ear, how big is the chance that both coins will end up being head.
2) There are 3 boxes with 2 balls each. 1 box has 2 red balls, 1 box has 2 green balls (we call this the Koshi/Vivax box), 1 box has a green ball and a red ball. Now randomly you pull 1 ball out of these 3 boxes and see that it is a green ball in your hand, how big is the chance that you pulled that ball out of the Koshi/Vivax box of awesomeness?
1) 1/4
2) 1/2
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On July 07 2014 23:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:20 prplhz wrote:
no wait a second, the awesomebox was the one with two green balls
so it's 1/3 and 2/3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/59KTQ.gif) So. How happy are you now that I can't vote you for the rest of the game?
jeebus doesn´t exist, so it´s actually 1/4 for the first one 
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Koshi, why are you asking people how happy they are/would be?
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On July 07 2014 23:32 IAmRobik wrote:
mderg, why were you more interested in solving Koshi's math problem than engaging with people
I wasn´t interested in solving it, I even got it wrong on purpose. I´m also way too scared of engaging with people 
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On July 07 2014 23:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:30 mderg wrote:
Koshi, why are you asking people how happy they are/would be? I was so inspired by Toads case based on proplhz happyness that I am trying this scumhunting tactic out myself, if it is a good way to determine scummyness levels I can better trust in Toads case. Is this you showing the world you are reading the thread? Why do you think I am asking these questions? Seems a bit meh to ask.
I had no idea why you were asking these questions, that´s why I asked. It´s a terrible scumhunting tactic btw, I guess you also think so...
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On July 07 2014 23:40 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:37 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:32 IAmRobik wrote:
mderg, why were you more interested in solving Koshi's math problem than engaging with people I wasn´t interested in solving it, I even got it wrong on purpose. I´m also way too scared of engaging with people  scared of talking to people???? got something to hide?????
Nothing to hide, just bad memories about past games that still torture me.
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On July 07 2014 23:42 IAmRobik wrote:
If IAmP gets mislynched this game, I'm going to flame each and every one of you in post game. He's the broiest bro of all bros
You´ll flame everyone no matter what, so that´s not a very serious threat.
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On July 07 2014 23:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:05 Toadesstern wrote:YES BITCHES. I'm not fucking mafia again. Who is up to be my buddy on my legendary quest to murder all of mafia? So that being said I can somewhat guarantee you that I won't become a whiny emo bitch. But really only somewhat. Let's start with prplhz because he indeed is way to stiff for this game, especially in the very beginning. I agree with ... I think Vivax ... that he did sound unmotivated and down in his early posts. Combine that with posts like On July 07 2014 21:33 prplhz wrote:
is has nothing to do with confidence or mentality but with an objective evaluation of the situation right now and he's easily #1 lynch target right now. If that post isn't some kind of super hard sarcasm that I'm not picking up on it's super "wtf is that guy even talking about" in a way that at the same time tries to sound reasonable / smart / whatever you want to call it. ##vote prplhz Why should mafia sound unmotivated and down in their early posts. Why should they post at all if they are unmotivated and down when their objective is to look townie. This post is too confident about too little for my taste and doesn't deliver any explanation why that mindset makes prpl scum. Explain why mafia would sound like that or you're scum Toad. Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker as mafia for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie he's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case.
I don´t think that would be my mafia mindset.
You scumread prplhz for basically no reason at all and explain it with some bullshit about mafia mindset, not convincing.
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On July 07 2014 23:44 IAmRobik wrote:
mderg saying he's afraid to engage with people is awkward. He has done plenty of that in previous games; at least he was actively engaging with me.
I'd think based off of previous experience mderg would be more villainous to me, but he's taking a pretty lax approach. Maybe he's just a forgiving guy, or maybe he's mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes
Do you actually think that I was serious?
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On July 08 2014 00:10 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:04 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:44 IAmRobik wrote:
mderg saying he's afraid to engage with people is awkward. He has done plenty of that in previous games; at least he was actively engaging with me.
I'd think based off of previous experience mderg would be more villainous to me, but he's taking a pretty lax approach. Maybe he's just a forgiving guy, or maybe he's mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes Do you actually think that I was serious? So you're lying again? Do you remember what I do to liars?
I won´t respond to this properly since I would have to discuss an ongoing game.
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On July 08 2014 00:12 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:11 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:52 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:38 prplhz wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi don't really have any reads yet, a few tentative town reads is all. k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch. On July 07 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote:
iamp, how do we feel about forumite's first post. Kinda resembles Koshi's with a tad more content. But the content smells bullshitty. I lean town nevertheless even though I'm not certain I agree with any of the conclusions at this moment What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. On July 07 2014 23:36 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi The fact you say I am ruining the thread hurts me more than you voting me. I am the entertainment value here. Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. about 75% of the posts have been useless including mine why pick koshi over anyone else. I'm interested into this too. Prpl, what do you think of Toad's stuff so far? I'd have expected you to fight back in some way by now. I'm actively withholding judgement on Toades. My first reaction was to ignore my read on Koshi and chainsaw Toades, but that would have been only based on him voting for prplhz. That´s not necessarily a scum trait, just reading prplhz wrong. On July 07 2014 23:44 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 23:42 IAmRobik wrote:
If IAmP gets mislynched this game, I'm going to flame each and every one of you in post game. He's the broiest bro of all bros ive only been mislynched once. it doesn't happen ##vote: iamperfectionBased on the fact it won't happen that we mislynch iamp. Koshi, you have to own up on your vote for iamperfection and post it in the voting thread, it doesn´t count otherwise. pretty sure that was a joke. Your inability to read the thread has been noted.
inability to read the thread =/= inability to understand a joke
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On July 08 2014 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:02 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:21 Toadesstern wrote:On July 07 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote:On July 07 2014 23:05 Toadesstern wrote:YES BITCHES. I'm not fucking mafia again. Who is up to be my buddy on my legendary quest to murder all of mafia? So that being said I can somewhat guarantee you that I won't become a whiny emo bitch. But really only somewhat. Let's start with prplhz because he indeed is way to stiff for this game, especially in the very beginning. I agree with ... I think Vivax ... that he did sound unmotivated and down in his early posts. Combine that with posts like On July 07 2014 21:33 prplhz wrote:
is has nothing to do with confidence or mentality but with an objective evaluation of the situation right now and he's easily #1 lynch target right now. If that post isn't some kind of super hard sarcasm that I'm not picking up on it's super "wtf is that guy even talking about" in a way that at the same time tries to sound reasonable / smart / whatever you want to call it. ##vote prplhz Why should mafia sound unmotivated and down in their early posts. Why should they post at all if they are unmotivated and down when their objective is to look townie. This post is too confident about too little for my taste and doesn't deliver any explanation why that mindset makes prpl scum. Explain why mafia would sound like that or you're scum Toad. Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker as mafia for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie he's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. I don´t think that would be my mafia mindset. You scumread prplhz for basically no reason at all and explain it with some bullshit about mafia mindset, not convincing. how is that not your mindset as mafia? There's 2 options. You either go into the game actually helping town as mafia or you go into the game not helping town while trying to look like it. I don't see any other possible mindsets and I don't think the first one is all that frequent. So go ahead, explain your mindset about mafia that differes from "trying to look like a townie without actually helping town"
I would not post for the sake of posting as mafia.
Every mafia wants to appear to help town without actually helping town but that´s not exactly what you said and would also not need 2 paragraphs to explain
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On July 08 2014 00:12 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:11 mderg wrote:On July 08 2014 00:10 IAmRobik wrote:On July 08 2014 00:04 mderg wrote:On July 07 2014 23:44 IAmRobik wrote:
mderg saying he's afraid to engage with people is awkward. He has done plenty of that in previous games; at least he was actively engaging with me.
I'd think based off of previous experience mderg would be more villainous to me, but he's taking a pretty lax approach. Maybe he's just a forgiving guy, or maybe he's mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes Do you actually think that I was serious? So you're lying again? Do you remember what I do to liars? I won´t respond to this properly since I would have to discuss an ongoing game. I outlined in my post this game what I do to liars. No need to discuss previous games.
To me it seems more like you said what liars do to you.
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On July 08 2014 00:21 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:14 prplhz wrote:
@Forumite Explain your meta read on me that makes you 99% sure. I have a long career of mislynching you after a weak scumread leads me to tunnel and ruin it for town. Since then I interpret weak scumreads on you as strong signs of townieness.
that doesn´t make sense
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Do I really have to catch up 40 pages?
I won´t get that done today but I´ll post some thoughts while reading.
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After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason.
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On July 08 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:00 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 01:55 IAmRobik wrote:
Toad,
Your whole post is trying to say "forumite is too ballsy and for that I'm townreading him" but you're avoiding doing the latter at all costs. Why not just say something if you wanna say it. Why are you holding back nah, the whole point of the post is to explain that I've got two conflicting points about him. 1) the mini-case on him which certainly makes him look like he's not town 2) his reaction to all this, which does makes him look like town in my book I think both points are really good, at the least we've had a bunch of people stating that 1) is good so far, but most people ignore to give the 2nd one some thought, which makes it important enough to be pointed out. It's a post to get more opinions from people though. I'm not trying to get someone lynched with it. I want to hear what people make of it. The problem is that: seems like an illogical conclusion. The logical answer would be something along the lines of: "But his response is so damn ballsy that I kinda think he's town for it" then you can mentioned that you're conflicted and want him to post more
I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. That he brings up these conflicting points and wants more thoughts on it seems pretty townie to me.
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On July 08 2014 02:49 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Is it your goal to get townies modkilled? Did you not read my post where I told people not to call me mafia because if they do I'll pretty much rip them a new one and will end up getting modkilled for it because I have no self control when it relates to getting called mafia when I'm town?
Basically people are not allowed to scumread you because you´d get yourself modkilled? That´s not how this game is supposed to be played. You are not the center point of the world.
Just throwing this out there because I hate your attitude.
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On July 08 2014 03:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
holy crap. This is the weakest, most "here's something I got but I'm TOTALLY NOT SURE SO DON'T TAKE IS SERIOUS PLS" post I've ever read Lynch this guy pretty please ##vote Corazon
His post sounded a bit like my townplay when I was new to mafia. I can see why people see that as scummy but I don´t think it is. Confidence in your reads isn´t alignmment indicative to me.
Off to watch Brazil - Germany
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