EPTTL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2
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On July 07 2014 21:30 Vivax wrote: Hai guys. Prplhz why do you have such a loser mentality. Iamp gets some townie points. AMAGAD VIVAX ALSO IN THIS GAME. YESSSS I am TOTES TOWN AGAIN. So. Friends? Better friends like last time pls. PS: I don't want to be friends with the hosts. So no question asked to them. They evul. Or wait no. They aren't. I am town. So we cool hosts. We cool. YaY Koshi!!! | ||
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First point of talking: We do not plynch. So scummers are allowed to lurk and lurk and lurk. We will however start considering plynching when the hosts are like all bothered and agnry and force us to take actions. Then I say we will only discuss plynching. Yes. Smart. Second point of talking: Town people should talk alot. Just to talk. Tell us about your day. Anything really. Even if you have nothing to say, you just say something funny. A joke. Something like that. So we don't want to plynch you because you are a pretty cool guy. Third point of talking: Discuss often how cool and awesome Koshi is at all times. You can never go wrong telling this thread how awesome Koshi is. Yes. These are good talking points. | ||
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On July 07 2014 22:06 Vivax wrote: Here's a little riddle for you: A kid is involved in an accident, his father is currently at work and out of the city. He is brought into the city hospital for emergency surgery. On the operation table, the chief surgeon takes off the mask and says: "I cannot operate this patient, this is my son". How is it possible? Is this 1994? Women totes emancipated and stuff, we men don't have any prejudices against women anymore. Also. Obviously it was his mother because all women are overly emotional, if it would have been his fathered he would have just "manned up", cuz we are men. You see? #TrueStory. | ||
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pls gooby. pls. | ||
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I need both answers for these questions, you cannot look up the answer on the interwebz, or jeebus will punish you. 1) You trow 2 coins in the air simultanously, mid air jeebus wispers in your ear that at least 1 coin will be head. After hearing jeebus talk into your ear, how big is the chance that both coins will end up being head. 2) There are 3 boxes with 2 balls each. 1 box has 2 red balls, 1 box has 2 green balls (we call this the Koshi/Vivax box), 1 box has a green ball and a red ball. Now randomly you pull 1 ball out of these 3 boxes and see that it is a green ball in your hand, how big is the chance that you pulled that ball out of the Koshi/Vivax box of awesomeness? | ||
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Also, iamp, pls, Trying to read Koshi early game. So boring. So silly. So meh. | ||
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On July 07 2014 22:40 iamperfection wrote: is there a reason you dont want to be correctly read? I'm not like the rest of the jib jubs i rely on meta much less so i don't particularly care about your early game "meta". I don't have early game meta. But. I am Koshi. You know? Like, these posts. Why are they scummy? The questions you ask are more like you trying to figure out others than you trying to figure out my alignment tbh. Unless you are seeing how I react to you twice asking if I am scum. Because I gave the answer in my first post. The answer is bored. Your powers are needed elsewhere. I will do talky talky and you do hunty hunty. | ||
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On July 07 2014 22:52 iamperfection wrote: I have to explain to you why that post of yours was scummy?!?! It was long so therefore has the appearance that it wants to contribute some way but it in no way helps us hunt scum. Like no shit town should post and scum shouldn't be allowed to lurk everyone already knows that. If everyone already knows something there is no reason to post unless you are just posting for appearances which is a scummy mindset. pls. As if town Koshi his contribution will ever be limited to that post. Also. I like that post as a first post. Also. talkie point 1 said we were not going to plynch. So we can't plynch Robik. Unless time is dire. It's really good strategy. | ||
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On July 07 2014 22:38 Vivax wrote: 1) 1/2 2) 1/2 btw. You are wrong. I will let thread know when somebody found both right answers. It's FFA now. First one with both right answers gets the prize of never to be voten by me. Koshi. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:20 prplhz wrote: no wait a second, the awesomebox was the one with two green balls so it's 1/3 and 2/3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/59KTQ.gif) So. How happy are you now that I can't vote you for the rest of the game? | ||
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How happy would you be with the lynch? | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:30 mderg wrote: Koshi, why are you asking people how happy they are/would be? I was so inspired by Toads case based on proplhz happyness that I am trying this scumhunting tactic out myself, if it is a good way to determine scummyness levels I can better trust in Toads case. Is this you showing the world you are reading the thread? Why do you think I am asking these questions? Seems a bit meh to ask. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town. prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads. I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting. Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die. ##Vote: Koshi The fact you say I am ruining the thread hurts me more than you voting me. I am the entertainment value here. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:43 iamperfection wrote: ive only been mislynched once. it doesn't happen ##vote: iamperfection Based on the fact it won't happen that we mislynch iamp. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:47 iamperfection wrote: have to have played in 25 games to qualify. yay Koshi qualifies. | ||
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1) thread should continue like it is doing. Maybe with other propagonist as soon as people can read the current actives well enough. 2) Fast = bad. Scum gets so bored in IML they do crazy stuff or get depressed. Because they don't like townies talking and becomming bros. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: what page did this game start on 12 | ||
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I am just saying that this game isn't a party till you are here. | ||
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##unvote ##vote: Forumite | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh Forumite never called out Vivax. So why is he reacting to Forumite calling out Koshi? :/ Something weird is already going on. True friendship between bros. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Koshi, why did you feel the need to vote for iamp in the voting thread? It was a legit vote so it belonged in the vote thread. Even if it was of a humoristic nature. If I knew there was a vote thread before I would have also voted there. Dnu. It felt right. | ||
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Guis, it might speak in Forumite favor that he is currently tunneling me with a weak scumread. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol. However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote: exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:48 VisceraEyes wrote: So should I be mafia-reading Forumite? I actually liked Toad's point earlier. The whole "I don't care about townreads, but here's this one almost certain townread that I'm going to base all of my reads on" thing really bugs me. But is that mafia-flavored? You should townread Toad. For many reasons already. Then you should put serious ??? next to Forumite based on him scumreading Toad for doing what he does as town. The thing with the not caring about townreads is pretty meh. | ||
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inb4 Toad is really pissed because he won a scum award when there were still dinosaurs walking on earth. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote: Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. | ||
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I understood you perfectly fine. I am working with % here. Now could you comment on the thing I asked you to comment on. Pls. | ||
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No. I think that the point that Cora raised about your filter being pretty useless is true. Maybe in your world your filter is not useless because you are doing things, just like I find that my filter is the most awesome thing ever always, but it's not like you are doing crazy Robiktheamazingmagus things atm. It's more looking like you trying to get a big filter. And your stuff with Kush is boring and dumb. | ||
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Also remember how I a dick towards you in some game because you were a dick and I like to keep people honest? This game has other rules so let's be like really really friendly because we can. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:02 IAmRobik wrote: It is so blatantly obvious that I'm monitoring my own posts to make sure that I don't go off on someone. As for people seeing me as town, well it is obvious, so people saying otherwise are 1) not genuine 2) bad at this game You say all that but things like: "I am voting Kush because of the mafia meta case I posted on him" are sitting wrong with me. Because we both played in another game recently in which Kush flipped town and he did the exact same thing. You were being an ass to him about it back then I think? I don't even remember. But I think you were. And when I say "an ass" I mean scumreading him. And while you were doing that Kush actually voted for tehpoofter who flipped scum. Now somebody here even said that he wouldn't do it when he is blue. Now guess what? In that other game. hmm hmm. Only talking about flips here. So. In this game Kush is doing the same thing tbh. Maybe a bit less spectacular. So yeah. Maybe he is totes scum and pretending to be the same. But Kush is an atypical player. So maybe he is just honest. So. Who knows? Fact is. You are not considering all these things you see. I don't like it. That's why I am not totally impressed with Robiktheamazingmagus. But not scumreading you. Just hoping you are more amazing than pushing this silly plynch. And now that I have seen that you can push silly things I need to really make it known to you that you can push silly things. You lost the "benefit of the doubt". I encourage you to retake it. I am totes a smart player sheeper. You should be offended I am not sheeping you anymore. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:15 IAmRobik wrote: I'm giving my reads, but at the end of the day, I plan on sheeping iamperfection anyway. I think that I've shown the difference between town!kush not reading pm and mafia!kush not reading pm. I didn't go ham on kush last game for not reading pm. I went hard on him for not claiming what I wanted him to claim. Once he did that and I saw how he was palying the rest of the game I actually had him as town and didn't pressure him. Obviously in Order I didn't pressure him for it cause we were both mafia. But Plammar tried to claim the same thing in Heavyweight after reading his role PM and I hammered the shit out of him and he was mafia. So meh.l We can co-exist. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote: Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. Well. I was thinking the same but was trying to get him to solve the game so I don't have to bother too much. | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:57 Vivax wrote: ##Shoot Corazon | ||
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On July 08 2014 04:24 Corazon wrote: He has a happy trigger finger? My heart actually stopped b/c I thought he actually shot me, but Palmar didn't post that I was dead so I felt a little better. But why you? | ||
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I say this because I want him to continue what he is doing. | ||
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But he says you know. On July 08 2014 01:59 Vivax wrote: You know I'm jk Or maybe that's for Robik? Meh. Strange stuff. | ||
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Carry on. | ||
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Every page I keep getting information that form my reads and make PoE more easy. As long as that keeps going on we need to keep going on. lynching = bad Not that we are close. | ||
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On July 08 2014 06:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: I don't know about the rest of you guys, but this guy here is now off of my lynch list. Nothing he said in that post made me think he is town. He is right about more time = better. But it is moot to say it atm. We are going towards a long D1. His scumreads are pretty basic and not based on anything scummy. Just 2 people who opposed his opinion (more time = better). If you see what SloOsh typed and then what Damdred typed I would prefer to keep SlOosh in the game. Because it is more interesting to read. Damdred didn't do any work. VE his filter is pretty controversial anyway and he could actually say way more about VE then "he wants to lynch within 24h" but I feel like he is holding back. Holding back is always scummy. So yeah. Not liking Damdred atm. Not disliking maybe. Dnu. Depends on how smart he sounds later on. | ||
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On July 08 2014 06:16 Alakaslam wrote: Orly? If I start being raynic as well will you townread me? pls. You cannot be rayn. | ||
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On July 08 2014 06:15 IAmRobik wrote: Actually I can explain it. This is Sloosh's first post. Instead of coming in and reading everything, he chose to pick on Forumite who some people have suspicion on and build a long case on him after basically afk'ing. This is precisely what I called gumshoe out on in GSL and it's the easiest thing to do as mafia to make it look like you're actually scum hunting. He provides no other reads and doesn't add anything but a long accusation on someone who is already under pressure. SLOOSH IS SCUM SCUM SCUM Is the case good? | ||
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On July 08 2014 06:27 Damdred wrote: Not sure why it has to be a decision between sloosh or myself or why that is even relevant. Maybe you liked what sloosh wrote more that's your prerogative. People who try to hurry up votes tend to look like scum I was asked my thoughts and i volunteered some things that I thought and answered the questions posed to me. If you notice the question being asked wasn't go into great detail it was just give me a sentence or so. Which is what I did, if you have any concerns to float my way do so and i'll answer those as well. Yes. You are a pretty friendly and nice guy. | ||
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Strong people (aka vets or people I know) are all looking like they want to help town. The less volume posters are cool guys. My scumread wants to proof himself. The downsize is we got 4 0 posters but they will come through. ##Believe. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:11 Forumite wrote: I'm actively withholding judgement on Toades. My first reaction was to ignore my read on Koshi and chainsaw Toades, but that would have been only based on him voting for prplhz. That´s not necessarily a scum trait, just reading prplhz wrong. Koshi, you have to own up on your vote for iamperfection and post it in the voting thread, it doesn´t count otherwise. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:09 Damdred wrote: lol i take it i'm the scum read that wants to proove himself lol gg Not really. | ||
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Hi Sinani! pls gief reads. As you can see this game is going to practically solve itself and we can use you being your best. | ||
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Because Robik isn't here. I think it is that it is either: 1) iamp posts and you don't post, when iamp is gone you start posting. 2) when you are both in the thread you ignore each others post. Both indicate that you are scumbuddies. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:51 sinani206 wrote: must read to read. Seriously though, this thread is hella long for not even 11 hours in. I'm going to try to read pretty closely. If you guys think there's anything important I should focus on while I read, that'd be nice. Nha, just read everything and if you can do it in a decent timeframe make one of these list posts: Townies town that towned in town: Town: Leaning town: Leaning scum: Scum: Scummiest scummer that scummed: Then give reasoning on your scummiest scummers. Don't give any more reasoning than you feel is really necessary. I allow you to do it on feels. Just read the thread like you always do. And fill in 25 names. Null is only allowed for people who have no yet posted. Making connections is not allowed. People will be pretty mad because useless listpost but I would love you to do this. | ||
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Apparently it is something completely different. The things I just named would be RobiktheamazingMagus worthy. But it again something boring. Well. It means Robik says Damdred is town. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:56 sinani206 wrote: no lists of town only people who i think are scummy The problem I have with this is that I wont be able to read my name under "towniest town that towned in town". You should at least put in 10 names tbh. I ask this because you are a low volume poster just entering the thread. If you do this people will get mad and you will have an easier time posting stuff. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote: It suggests that we are both town. Only one person has been clever enough to f5 the thread and post the basically the exact same thing to gain townie points as scum. pls I do it as scum. most of the time because I am afraid to post what I am going to post and quickly refresh to see how others react and then post it because I was totes right about posting that because town would post it. #TrueStory | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:11 sinani206 wrote: wow games with robik in them are impossible to read lies. There is nothing that Robik does that makes it harder to read a game. Just don't try to understand why he is scumreading/townreading people. Just skim his posts and make a mental note of who is scumreading/townreading. That's all you have to do around Robik. Focus on the words in people their posts that are not Robik. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:14 Alakaslam wrote: bullshit, I have my vote and can sheep good cases. Talk to me about lampshading. You always refuse to do so in previous games  | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:17 Alakaslam wrote: I love lampshading! I have to have something to do it with though Aren't you a detector of lampshading? I remember you saying somebody was lampshading once and it actually made sense. You also redirected me to a wiki page or something. It was actually quite interesting. Anyhoezels. Off to bed. gn. | ||
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Overview of interesting things in filters. No conclusions. Prplhz: - Defends Forumite from the start and continues to do so. Ex. Stating Forumite might have a good reason for his 99% townread without asking what the townread is. Ex. Arguing with slOosh about the question Forumite asked. - Very outspoken and aggressive. Ex. Entrance, towards Sinani and Exo, SlOosh vote. Iamperfection: - Many superficial posts. Page 3 is a good example. Both his Robik read and Damdred read are lazy. - Asked for 10 vigis. Should have been max 4 for somebody who has been in the thread the entire game. Again shows laziness. Toadesstern: - First case in the game, second case in the game. Both cases had scumhunting thoughtprocess behind them. Constant in search for scum. - After reading 1,5 pages confirmed town till lylo and blueclaims. (because he can’t be alive as town till then unless mass saves or something) Corazon: - This post is very town: On July 08 2014 03:33 Corazon wrote: What the hell Iamp? The 4-5 posts in my filter have 30 times as much content and purpose as his entire filter. If all I did was post meme's, one-liners, and rage posts whenever someone called me scum, would you REALLY count that as activity? Reading Corazon his filter it is clear to me from the start that he is trying to push the game forward. He started with giving his opinion on 4 protagonists (Toad/Koshi/Forumite/Robik) and then trew out a comment on Yamato. Making the above post 2 minutes after reading iamps post indicates to me that Corazon is very aware of Robik his filter and is very confident about his own filter. Something a scummer wouldn’t be so confident about. slOosh: - Made a good case on Forumite and limited his posts around Forumite. However, SlOosh never stated to not have read the thread and was open for any questions about anything. Nowhere he shows a lack of confidence. Vivax: I want to point out the difference in iamp (because I already read his) and Vivax his filter by quoting these 5 posts that Vivax chained: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2014 00:51 Vivax wrote: Idk, shouldn't he be townreading Toad based on what he said? Or where does he draw the line between a weak scumread on prpl and strong one when it comes to Toad? On July 08 2014 01:24 Vivax wrote: The way VE entered the thread kinda gives me the feeling he already wanted to call me scum before he read all that stuff. One point that makes me think of that is that first he called me scummy for reacting poorly to forumite calling me out. When he realized he actually didn't call me out, he called me scummy for reacting to him in the first place. It just doesn't make sense that I should react only to guys talking about me, so it just looks like an adjustment after his previous point was made invalid. His arguments for my reaction being poor were: Which is a perfectly fine argument in line with mafia not looking at the game the same way a townie does. All the way not considering that forumite's preference for Koshi over me or anyone else talking about random stuff has no explanation. On July 08 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote: What's the deal with those kush votes? On July 08 2014 01:36 Vivax wrote: The depth of mafia arguments is up to their creativity, and I wouldn't put it past VE to be creative. Besides, he says my intention was to identify with a town crowd, when my intention was to show why forum could be scum. As said, it looks to me like he was just trying to find scum motives behind my play at any cost. On July 08 2014 01:37 Vivax wrote: Can Cav, Robik and VE explain what about kush's post makes him instascum? This chain is what I like to see in filters D1. He hits multiple people at the same time and is clearly looking for scum. Good stuff. | ||
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I am calling out what I see. It is pretty obvious when I think somebody is town anyway which means do not lynch D1/D2, not further unless I explicitely state it. Basically I want to on top of this game and share my findings because my ideas are too valuable to keep secret in a word file. | ||
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On July 08 2014 18:46 prplhz wrote: i didn't defend forumite early on, i just said that iamp and robik shouldn't jump to conclusion when there could be a good meta read that he just didn't inform the thread of. not providing a reason for your reads isn't scummy, it's not having a reason for them that's scummy. can you go more into detail with what you like about slOosh' case on forumite? I like the "Stop. Think" part of the case because it makes the case very sheepable and very understandable. On July 08 2014 06:01 slOosh wrote: Heyo. I am not liking the Forumite. Ok are you ready for this? He meta reads prplhz, then asks prplhz for his reads. Stop. Think. Why do you ask people for reads? You do it because either you want to get a better read on them, or you think they are town and you value their reads. At 99% town, he isn't doing it for the first reason, so it must be the second. But at this point the game just started, and most of the posts were "hahaha jokez" posts, so clearly nothing meaningful to be gleaned off here. Conclusion: Forumite has a scummy mindset of "asking people for reads looks like activity" but when he does it it looks totally out of place. Why did ask Forumite prplhz his reads? This is a very good question. SlOosh also believes in this sentence showing a scummy mindset in Forumite. You are trowing away SloOsh his argument that this one sentence makes Forumite scum but have you ever seen a scummer make a case showing off such dept in thought? Remember that this is SloOsh his first post, so one (Robik) could argue that SlOosh is being scum tryharding. You think so as well? SloOsh reading that one sentence and making an understandable/sheepable case around that one sentence makes me respect SlOosh his scumhunting abilities. Or his scum playing abilities. Why would I want to lynch somebody who shows me that he can make a case around somebody making 1 bad sentence? Out of fear he plays atypical godly scum? I will pass on that. | ||
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I also find the "99% sure prplhz is town" into " prplhz please give me your reads" looking awkward. I didn't see that at until SlOosh pointed it out. I like that SlOosh pointed it out. I like SlOosh. simple. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:14 Forumite wrote: I ask prplhz for reads because I want to know what he thinks, why did you think I asked? Why did you want to know what he thinks? Do you respect his early reads so much that you want to sheep him? Why not ask iamp what he was thinking? | ||
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@Forumite. Why did you ask prplhz for his reads when you were reading him as scum. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:29 prplhz wrote: Disagree with what? Both SlOosh and Forumite. Obviously he is allowed to ask you questions etc etc etc. That's not what this is about. Maybe you are right and this forumite business is nothing. Maybe you are right and SlOosh is scum. But I disagree with you. If you want us to be bffs and you want me off this Forumite thing find me something else. Something we both can agree on. SlOosh being opportunistic scum is not that thing. Otherwise we will have to live with each other in disagreement. Which I don't have a problem with. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:41 Forumite wrote: I´m not voting for prplhz but that doesn´t mean I don´t care what he thinks. No, prplhz isn´t a mafia god who can find scum from their first posts (unlike SloOsh, zomg!), who cares? Any insight is valuable. iamperfection? Why should I ask him over prplhz? Seriously, why? I don´t understand why you would ask me something like that. Because I have to believe you asked prplhz his reads so his answer would help you solve the game. People post stuff for shit and giggles obviously, but you asked prplhz his reads while scumreading him. It's odd. iamp? It doesn't have to be iamp. I used iamp as example because I remember him being active and very neutral towards you. I would ask my bestest bet on a good and helpful answer that question. A veteran. Not a guy I scumread. It's odd to me. Obviously you play different than me. So don't think I find you solely scummy for this question. New question: You said you are pretty good at finding valuable posts and analysing them. However, your reads this game have been rather lackluster. Are you too annoyed by me scumreading you to play the game optimally? | ||
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Forumite is under pressure and he is dealing with it really bad. Maybe this thing with the reads and with the 99% is all bullshit and untrue. Then his play under pressure is still iffy. Look at his recent posts. He is utterly convinced that I am scum and he can't make a thoughtful post about anything else. Look at his other read Toad, is this what why I have to unvote Forumite for: On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever. This is why he is currently scumreading Robik for: This doesn´t make you town, this just makes it easy for you APPEAR town. I know how frustrating it is to mess up as town, act scummy and then get mislynched. When you say that you hate being called scum then it reads to me like you want to tap into that to make it look like you are town. And as some have allready stated, you do this even when you are scum, so why should this make us think you are town? You talk about this a lot, basically threatening with OMGUS for anyone doubting you. Are these the kinda reads I want to see from a townie under pressure? This is the guy that is voting me for ruining the thread so he can't find the valuable post. He is voting Robik because of his playstyle. It's kinda really just that. And he sticks to his guns about it. "Preemptive omgus is scummy" Then let me quote his scumread progression on me: On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die. ##Vote: Koshi On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote: Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote: Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi. Toades, did you have any questions for me? On July 08 2014 04:50 Forumite wrote: On his earlier posts, I have changed my mind. I understand that the early game can be dull and those posts at least gets things going. I still lean heavily towards scum on Koshi, he drew those riddle posts for a few too many pages and has since done a few things that I feel are off when pushing me. On the above quote: He says he changed his opinion on my early game, saying it might be to get things going, but then backtracks on that statement immediately saying that I talked about my riddles too long. While I only posted 1 riddle. Or 2 in 1 post w.e. But please open my filter. How many posts did I make around my riddle? I think max. 6 and it completely stopped after prplhz found the right answer and I went hardcore serious. So what he says is wrong. Is wrong scummy in this case? I find it very uncomfortable tbh. Because his read on me looks like a scared scum who is afraid to fall without a scumread. Now his reasoning to read me scum is basically omgus. He says I am "off" yet no reasons are given. I don't think I am scumreading him in a scummy manner. I am always very open with my flow of thought. On July 08 2014 19:08 Forumite wrote: My vote stays on Koshi because his case on me is shit. I don´t like Robik either but could be personal because he´s bad mannered. Robiks preemptive OMGUS looks like a good scum move, but I don´t know anything about either Robik, this might be his normal playstyle. I don't know if Forumite thinks he is a shining beacon of townyness. He isn't and shouldn't base his reads on almost solely OMGUS. The SlOosh case is incoming and we will see what that brings. But it smells like it is going to be an easier OMGUS target than me. -------------------------------------- Been working on this too long and on / off due to work. Just going to press enter now. | ||
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On July 08 2014 20:23 sinani206 wrote: Guys did anyone else just realize how scummy koshi is Please tell us all about it. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:02 Vivax wrote: I can think of one reason why he'd post so half-assed, but it's a reason I cannot talk about, and if that's the reason then his behaviour should change at some point. Hence I'd like to hear what he has to say to your post before I give my judgment. I was going to make the same post. But I don't see why that behaviour should change. Well. Without help. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:05 Vivax wrote: I got the feeling iamp doesn't like you Koshi. Yeah, cuz he thinks I should read him town. Also he dislikes my awesome big posts but for some reason all these vets don't like them. Like marv also never likes them. Dunno. Silly people. | ||
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Well. I don't think you should be townread. But in Catastrophe Mafia you were even less talky and less interesting so who knows really. For some reason I am thinking I should somewhat ignore you for D1 but like I said I don't really know why. | ||
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See. It all fits. You could easily be scum. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:19 Vivax wrote: If iamp was scum I'd have caught him already. When you have this picture in your head of some threatening big guy posting authoritarian one-liners about stuff that deserves attention you can be sure he's town. Is he doing this though? I don't agree at all he is doing this. Once he did it making thread stop scumreading Robik. Where else is he steering town (or thread) in the right direction? Give me like 2 examples. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:28 iamperfection wrote: and i dont get why you would post this koshi if you didn't think i was being a leader. Look at you being smart. Keep going! | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:42 iamperfection wrote: There is nothing to go on with. It just shows what you say is trash and shouldn't be listened to. I would guess your just a misguided townie as you have been too active and drawing a lot of attention. I meant keep going on with the smartness. I am not misguided at all btw. Closest guy figuring out the scumteam is without doubt me. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:52 Forumite wrote: Who´s in the scumteam? I think it is smarter to keep it to myself for now. As in: I don't really want to go there yet. | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:07 Vivax wrote: Toad can you link me to the invitational game you were talking about earlier. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439137-shadow-mini-mafia | ||
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Robik can you give me the names of people you think are scum currently? | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:16 Alakaslam wrote: Faugh why so mad? | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:18 Alakaslam wrote: I have to work and this is all that happens I have like 2 minutes Well you posted things. I have to reread it to put it in the big picture but seems like you are doing stuff. I think everybody should start voting on who they think is the scummiest and we will go from there to a majority. Seems you already voted so that's cool. | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:31 Forumite wrote: I´d lynch a lurker today. pls vote | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: I'm reading pg 43 right now. Trying to catch up. I think I have more town than scum. Not sure who I think is scum. I don't remember anymore. I think I don't like VE. I'm pretty sure I don't like VE. VE is gonna come here and yell and me blah blah blah, but I really don't like VE I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. I don't like Cora because he is scum reading me for having a useless filter. I am pretty sure I justify most if not all of my reads and if he really cared what they were, why wouldn't he ask me for them (if he couldn't find them in my posts). Bunnies is another one that bothers me. Her post where she says that she's be worried about me if I call her top town was really lazy and disproved the night before in video mafia, so her reverting back to that type of read was really really "easy" and doesn't seem genuine to me. Poofter is yet another suspect of mine. He expressed an eagerness to play this game and yet his focus is far from it. This is a weak read obviously, but I would keep my eye on him. Oh right, I forgot about sloosh. That case was weird as a first post. Too down to business and not aloof enough. I guess the same could be said for damdred. Meh. Turns out I actually have quite a few scum reads. I like iamp and vivax obviously. I think I like prplhz I think I like toad Those are my reads thus far. Yeah this sums up your play nicely. | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:35 IAmRobik wrote: I haven't really "reevalutated" much I guess. I kinda went from what I remembered of what happened, especially as it related to me. Am I missing something? I don't think so. Maybe. But I remember those things. | ||
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You are so silly This Forumite read is totes legit. Also your paranoia things are ridiculous. 1) Scum is not solely sitting back and laughing. If they ae sitting back they are fearing what is happening. 2) Scum is not in their QT making plans to mass sheep you. Scum always do different things. | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:45 Vivax wrote: I'm starting to like the idea of simply lynching into inactives. vote pls | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:16 Forumite wrote: Just drop it. I was pressured yesterday, today I´m just disappointed that you are unable to read my posts. I´ve allready explained the mess yesterday, now make a coherent case (for real this time) and get a wagon going or do something usefull with your time. hahahahahahaha | ||
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pls gooby pls You are telling the one person who made the most cases (Toad) to use his time more useful when you haven't done jack shit this game. An hommage: prplz town because I read him as scum Koshi totes ruining thread with his 5 posts about riddles guys. I am totes upset. also many omgus. Robik scum with the omgus threatening. SlOosh sheeps to fake activity. Toad I keep blabbering about. I don't really know what I am saying. Or do I? Nobody knows. layabout pure lurker. Exo lurker that was getting thread sentiment. What did I miss? | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:40 Forumite wrote: Really? Of course I´m ignoring Koshi's metagame, I´ve never played against him before. Bolded for when you flip scum. Not that I wouldn't be confirmed town but you know. Funzies. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:44 HaruRH wrote: People with 1 post are rarely the real scum and they might get modkilled anyway Why would you lynch people who can be modkilled later? There are no modkills this game. You sure are on fire. | ||
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Do you say that? Sounds like TMI Does town play against people. It's not like he is reading me as 100% scum anymore. I have never said I played against somebody when I am town. Really odd. I don't recall people saying it like that. ever. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:49 HaruRH wrote: Hmm, probably he thinks everyone are enemies? Probably 3rd party? Why probably and not maybe... | ||
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On July 09 2014 01:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: Imo: 1) Toads cases in the beginning pages, 2) The argument between you, prp, and forumite. 3) What's going on now with the wagon and spread out votes all over the place. Obiwan Can you talk about these 3 points. Remember how I said that you should buddy me in your next game and talk to me. Talk to me. | ||
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On July 09 2014 02:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK my body needs sleep. I got to page 27..ouch. Before the entrance of so many people. scumreads so far: prplzhz iamperfection batsnacks ObiWanShinobi 27ninjabunnies ritocky? Still haven't seen alakaslam/sloosh/billmurry/mderg/sinani/layabout/alakaslam/tehpoofter/hiropro. The daily mafia people are hard for me to read because they don't seem to care for analysis. Most of their posts are inside jokes, which I don't appreciate. I feel strongly that the boldified are scum. Iamp looks like he is bussing obiwan just from this last page I read. Tomorrow when I get time I will continue reading starting at page 27. I apologize for not being up to date, but really it is all of your faults for talking so much. iamperfection Thank you Kush. You are very smart. | ||
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On July 09 2014 02:34 sinani206 wrote: still on the page where this post is but why does he care about not disappointing hosts instead of not helping town A possible reason is that he got modkilled recently. How is that case on me going? | ||
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On July 09 2014 02:50 sinani206 wrote: oh that. i decided it was shitty and you're too hard to read day one What was it based upon? You were quite happy that you found something. What was it? | ||
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Let's all talk about iamperfection for a while. This is the awesome case foolishness made against iamp in catastrophe mafia. (go to iamperfection no so perfect section). I already brought this up before but iamp is playing the same style he was playing in the Catastrophe game. This time he isn't utterly useless but he is pretty close. Maybe I can post 2-3 posts iamp made that are somewhat pushing the thread forward but that's really it. Robik townreads iamp for being firm early game, calling out my bullshit post, which was obviously just a conversation starter. Quite obviously so. Vivax townreads iamp because iamp is a bossy guy calling people doing dumb things out on their dumb things. I agree iamp has called out some people out doing silly things. But really? Is that why we are giving the most experienced player in this thread a townread for? Are we really so easily pleased? Come on lads. Look at this: "iamperfection is one of the best examples of that this game," reports Foolishness. "His attempt to get people onto Balla24/Blazinghand is the most convenient case in the world. If you're mafia in a game, wouldn't you just love it if some idiot is proposing random lynch? You get to call him an idiot AND look town for doing so!" ↑ So yeah, iamp calls out dumb behavior. Good for him! But what does he do with it? What reasoning does he give when saying Kush should stop his stupid crusade? What reasoning did he give for making Robik unlynchable till D6? I am not impressed. You shouldn't be either. Going on: ↓ Despite all that, iamperfection has yet to post a real read on a player or situation. The filter demonstrates that he doesn't have any true scumreads other than the easy picking Blazinghand and only has a few haphazard town reads. Secondly, iamperfection is making demands of the town without doing so himself. Is iamp posting reads this game? Do you see the overflowing quality this veteran player brings us? I don't. The guy makes the excuse to do nothing till ObiwanShinobi enters the thread, when ObiwanShinobi enters the thread iamp doesn't do anything but asks that ObiwanShinobi pleases him. He doesn't ask any specific questions. Why is Obiwan so special for iamp? Why can't iamp do nothing for multiple hours while waiting on Obiwan? Read the entire Foolishness case. Then see how much of it applies to this game. It is scary much. Do you also remember that I asked 27ninjabunnies what the 3 biggest discussion points where this game? Now look at how much iamperfection participated in these 3 topics. Close to fucking nothing. ##unvote ##vote iamperfection This lynch is glorious. | ||
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12 people are still not voting. I am not saying consolidate. I am saying: vote YOUR BIGGEST scumread Stop hiding. You are allowing to let scum hide with you. | ||
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Put a fucking vote down. iamperfection If you are around while I sleep. Be a town leader and make people vote. We have 24h left. 12 people are not voting. I don't want a rushed vote in the end and people voting to "consolidate". | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: depends on what you give me in return. Anything you want but anal. Could you give reads on these people? Try to say smart things. You don't need to do but any1 would help. HaruRH, ritoky, Bill Murray, HiroPro, layabout, kushm4sta, Alakaslam, batsnacks | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ritoky, hiro, layabout, and slam are all null. some people have pointed out that ritoky is forced, and i agree, but i do think that its really early to be forming some kind of read on him at this stage because people call him weird for the exact same reason every game. Why is slam null? His post are pretty good tbh. There are gems in there. could you try to say anything more about layabout? | ||
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It is really bad to lynch a lurker here because the names on top are not bothered to figure out these lurkers. There are probably more names to be added to this list but it is a good start. I still need to reread iamp and see if he bothers to read small filters in other games. He seems to not bother at all here. Toad can not be lynched. He is without doubt one of the most valuable players here. Same for SlOosh. Both these players are doing really smart scumhunting. SlOosh focusses on small things but he says very smart things about them. Saying these 2 are scum is just paranoia that good players are scum. I think I can name 6 more people that should not be lynched. I am not sure. I think I can. You are playing really well btw Slam. I hope you do it for the Glory of Town. Again. I will never lynch you (early game) if you continue like that. You know you are playing like Chezinu atm? Lots of riddles and in between good stuff. Chezinu finds scum between the ones who say he is unreadable. Might be a tactic that works for you as well in the future. | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp: Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly. I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched. On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp. I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. This is many bullshit btw Cora. Robik filter is the longest. You are scumreading and voting him because the utter shit that is his filter. Robik has been trying to communicate with you at least 3 times now that his filter isn't utter shit and that he gives reasoning for all his reads. You are ignoring these attempts to talk with Robik. I don't really understand why you are not interested in talking to Robik to understand him, but you are advocating to let iamp survive because "biggest filter and will be useful in future". There is no reason to believe iamp will ever be useful in the future. Iamp said that we needed 10 vigis!!! After iamp said we needed 10 (!!!) vigis his contribution was being afk till Obiwan came to the thread and then asked Obiwan to please him. Obiwan did not please him at all but iamp went away again. This means that iamp still needed 10 (!!!) vigis to solve this game and he was not trying to lessen this number. Was it maybe impossible to make Obiwan talk and read him? Nope. Because in his big read post Iamp was able to read Obiwan as leaning town because this really cool guy Koshi asked Obiwan a question and Obiwan answered towny. Why can't iamp be a cool guy? Somewhere later than this post you also quoted a post of iamp saying that Robik is town and shouldn't be lynched until Day 6. You quoted this post because it was one of iamps valuable contributions, however, this contribution is literally the opposite of what you think of Robiks play. Why are you not alarmed that iamp thought at a time Robik is the most active and valuable player while you think the opposite? But the biggest issue I have with in that post is you starting with : "but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly." into defending Iamp into saying iamp is actually not a bad lynch. I don't like that Cora. I don't like it. | ||
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Page 1 is understable and readable. At least 5 good posts. pushing game forward. Page 2 is still pretty good in pushing game forward. Nothing wrong with it. I understand now why you like iamp. Question: The things that made iamp town for you early game, do you feel like it is the same level of play comming out of iamp right now? The big post with reads he gave. Do you have the feeling "Iamp totes my bro, we are on the same level" I will hold your future integrity and my future respect to the correctness of your answer on this question. Please be very detailed and take it serious. I want you to evaluate iamps big post. page 3 You are going hard against Kush. I am not against it rereading it now. page 4 You are going against ninjabunnies and batsnacks. I didn't understand the ninjbunnies thing back then. batsnacks pressure is not harmful. Not bad stuff. page 5 still pushing game forward tbh, there are post that clearly are doing that. still forming reads. SlOosh enters in robiks scumworld. Vivax and iamp still top towns. Robik has talked to many people in these 5 pages. page 6 is about VE and the LoL not playing thing. At the end is a nice summation of your play so far. Seems legit. Some things are different in that summation post, like the prplhz read. Also shows Robik has a clear view on the game and the players that are playing in it. page 7 - 8 is him jumping again on everything that moves. Cora bunnies are the victims. But look at all the names he quotes and interact with. Robiks play is quite simple btw. He jumps on things that happen in the thread. Always in the present. His play is super consistent. I wonder if he gets so much flak because town in general does more dumb shit than scum. So Robik jumps on town more and they get mad. I don't know. Maybe. I don't see how Robik is scum. Tell me how he is inconsistent? Cora talk to me about this post. Where am I wrong about Robik, you are sure he is doing all this with a scum motive. What is it? Why is he a chicken without head? Don't you think there are pretty valuable post in there? I see posts that push the game forward. I don't see any TMI coming from Robik. I don't see Robik defending scummates. I don't see Robik in a team is what I am saying. | ||
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Iamp puts both Cora and Damdred as scum and they both couldn't care less. Damdred is even voting the lynch that Iamp has been pushing in the thread. Damdred has been called twice town by iamp. Once when I said Damdred is a pretty nice guy Iamp added that he was also town. Second time when Robik was talking about the Crossover posting. But in his big read post Iamp calls Damdred scum and Damdred couldn't fucking care less. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PS: Cora also loves the iamp dick. | ||
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On July 08 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote: I have read all of the thread and have tried to keep up to date. Koshis posting annoyed me a little with the riddles and what not, even though I understand that he was trying to stir up some kind of activity (possibly) from his postings the town does not benefit from random posts that clutter up the thread. However I do think his early postings were trolling and his later ones did add some thought to the thread, Robik's postings have been interesting and he has interacted with the people outside of being random, his overall overreaction to being called scum is note worthy and could be a deflection but i'm not sure. If I was forced to name a few people that gave me interest at this moment I would go with Forumite, VE. I wouldn't say lynch them, Forumites read early on is a bit odd and his and VE call to get a majority lynch in the first 24 hrs or so troubles me. The more time we have to talk and to pry information from people the better rather than the less time. Even though day 1 is always odd in my opinion and you don't have much to go on its always good to gauge how people react. I probably wouldn't lynch exo at this point, or toads. Exo has a history of playing aloof and you can never tell much about him day one. And Toads well hes playing pretty out there and drawing some attention to himself, even though its possible hes mafia hes more likely to be checked playing this way and wouldn't work in his favor On July 09 2014 01:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: Imo: Toads cases in the beginning pages, The argument between you, prp, and Forumite. What's going on now with the wagon and spread out votes all over the place. Each of them have contributed to my read on Forumite. I think he is scummy, but he wouldn't be my lynch for today. On July 09 2014 01:39 27ninjabunnies wrote: So, I'm awake now. Ten pages, really? Where were yall when I was actually awake and not asleep. (I'm gonna type things as I read along) @VE- Babycakes? Hahaha. I need a better term of endearment than that hun. So the Koshi/Prp/Forumite conversations is super interesting. Here's what I got out of it. Koshi making cased and reads- Prp getting defensive with his whole "Omgerd, how does this make me mafia?" And Forumite with his "Omgerd, Sloosh is bad bad bad." And Koshi being like, yeah idgaf what you think. tldr; Koshi is town. I like his reasoning for sloosh being town too. Tbh, it was where my mind was at. I don't see how sloosh making a case on the already scummy Forumite is bad? Do you? The more evidence that can be used to see if a player is scum or town, the better. Forumite's defense of koshi pushing on him seemed quite a bit OMGUS and not an actual case on why he is scum. I see no basis behind it. He basically is like "Koshi is trolling. Koshi made terrible case on me. He is scum" Meh, those really aren't scum traits. I won't say Forumite is mafia, cause I'm not sure, but he is definitely on my watch list. Everything else that happened afterwards, I really don't care about. So, my lynches for today. I'd actually lynch Obiwan and Ritoky. I have a better case on Ritoky. He comes into the thread with this: Which to me seems super forced, and a lame joke from previous games. (Those who played in those games understand) Then he has a back and forth with me, and basically just peaces out. Nothing productive at all, except maybe this post with toad/yamato But even then, I don't see anything in the way of scumhunting. So ##Vote: Ritoky Also, I still have like 3 page to read, but wanted to get this out there. On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today Vivax VE Layabout Robik Forumite Cora On July 08 2014 14:09 Corazon wrote: How hell-bent are you guys on lynching Forumite? To be honest I can't see myself voting for him. Many of his actions and statements so far (such as his meta-read on Prp and his statement that he can't read Toad objectively once Toad started attacking him) are statements/decisions that I myself would probably do as town. Thinking about it, that could explain why he's been under so much pressure... Has he really been the scummiest player in the thread so far? On July 08 2014 15:11 Corazon wrote: Because I simply don't see the argument for lynching Forumite. I think it is a terrible lynch and I hope that it stops getting momentum. My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik. He's done nothing to prove that he is town; he's simply trying to feign activity and feign scumhunting. Hell, his argument for voting for you was that you were not on LoL. If you want more info on why I think he's scum, just look through my filter. He's a much better lynch than Forumite. On July 09 2014 06:55 iamperfection wrote: Forumite For someone that has gotten a lot of shit he hasn't seemed to have backed down at all. I like that he asked bill murray to vote for him that seems super townie to me like he dosnt give a shit about being voted. Plus his jumping around with votes is very attention grabbing move that scum do not like to do. My gut says he is town You know what is also really funny. Iamp has never said "Forumite" in his posts. His reads post is the only time. He has 23 times Forumite in his filter, but it are all quotes in other people their posts except that 1 time. Our fucking town leader has said 1 time Forumite. 1 time 1 So I think we can agree that iamp/27nb/Cora/Damdred are not looking like sure town right? Maybe like 1 is scum? Maybe 2? Who knows? So either this Forumite is the sickest powerrole scum has. They instant lose if he dies. Or this Forumite is town and they don't want to be near his lynch. 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The next days the lynches and powerroles need to be within: Forumite/iamp/27nb/Cora/Damdred/Sinani Look at Sinani, I didn't know he was a genious: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2014 08:11 sinani206 wrote: wow games with robik in them are impossible to read On July 08 2014 08:11 sinani206 wrote: but he seems town so far On July 08 2014 13:31 sinani206 wrote: bunnies so scummy gnight friends On July 08 2014 14:17 sinani206 wrote: can someone explain the forumite wagon please lol null leaning green for me maybe idk On July 08 2014 20:23 sinani206 wrote: Guys did anyone else just realize how scummy koshi is On July 09 2014 02:50 sinani206 wrote: oh that. i decided it was shitty and you're too hard to read day one On July 09 2014 03:03 sinani206 wrote: some of your posts especially right before i posted that seemed like they could have been thought of by mafia but then there's always confirmation bias and omgus and shit and then i reread your earlygame and changed my mind no point in going into specifics now On July 09 2014 03:10 sinani206 wrote: oh nvm well might as well talk about that list oh wow thats actually not a bad list for this early prpl: town lean i can see that mindset from a green for sure iamperf: new posting style=all one liners? bats: idk how you can have a read on him already lol cav: i really want to say green lean but i have no basis so null 27nb: like i said before, scummy ritoky: scummy (lean i guess so far) On July 09 2014 03:10 sinani206 wrote: oh i forgot to say that iamperf is pretty scummy too | ||
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I am not sure that Robik buddied iamp after iamp suspected him. I really doubt that happened. Did iamp ever suspect Robik? Don't think so. | ||
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On July 09 2014 06:55 iamperfection wrote: Corazon- Seems to do more complaining than scum hunting. Seems to ask more questions than reach conclusions. Still dont like his first post and when he cried to me it seemed like he knew my alignment. Is about: On July 08 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote: Do I even have a position? No one (besides Koshi) has commented on any of my reads so far. I'd love to have a position but you're not helping me out here There's Toad but he doesn't have an actual reason to vote for me so I don't really count him. And Cora is fine with all this? Doesn't want to lynch iamp because iamp is going to be useful? Who is this Cora you talk about Kush. Doesn't really sound like the Cora I know. ____________________ Totally unrelated I think Cora has the best filter out if the 6 I mentioned by far. Trying to read lurkers, first post about most active people. Stuffz like that. Still. Ignoring iamp. Strange stuff. | ||
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You have not yet voted this game. I am very surprised by that. You voted Kushm4fia but that didn't count and you seem to not care. You actually have a lot of scumreads so it is strange. Very different than your last towngame? We should check meta maybe later. I am not too worried about you atm. But a Cora lynch is not happening today. I don't feel it in the air. And we are almost out of oxygen. So please put down a vote between iamp/forumite/Damndred. Please. We need to see votes on the board. | ||
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I need you votes now! I have put the most time in this game. The most words. The most scumhunting. I am now your D1 vote leader. The lynchlist is iamp/Forumite/Damdred/27nb/Cora New names can be added with an awesome case for 5 more hours. We do not discuss lurker lynches. This post will be spammed a lot. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:25 iamperfection wrote: and why are you listening to me if you think im scum? Pls be more upset about your toptown read adding your top scumread. pls. pls. Show me how outrageous you are. If I were you I would now read Koshi as scum and Cora town. You are not fucking town iamp. You are not even thinking fucking straight. You are now putting suspicion on the guy who has been posting stuff you seem to not disagree with, you don't seem to need to defend yourself against, you don't seem to add extra thought to. Why are you ignoring to post anything about Forumite? And anyway: If you are town the things I just posted are still pretty legit. People not interacting with you. Stuff like that. You just don't care at all. But yeah, pls start questioning your top townread who just put a lot of work into this thread. Very fucking useful. Good. Superb. Can't believe it. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:30 iamperfection wrote: Koshi? LOOK AT THIS GUY THINKING I AM SCUM. LIKE. LOOK AT WHAT IAMP IS THINKING: THIS IS WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN HIS HEAD IN CASE HE IS TOWN: Koshi? amagad? Did I just break this game right open and is Koshi choking? I had these awesome reads but Koshi listening to me shatters my world? Koshi is the scum I have been looking for!! | ||
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You and I can't be friends this game. I can't take you seriously after this. I listen to you in case you are town and I am wrong tunneling you. But after this. I just can't see you as town anymore. Sorry for the future tunnel. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:40 iamperfection wrote: lol your retarded I dont trust anybody completely this game. People not interacting with me that's the dumbest point ever made. I talk to people who are here when im here if they dont make reads on me or talk about me i have no control over that. Just like I don't fucking scumread anybody 100%. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:41 iamperfection wrote: it was just a question koshi overreact much? The conclusion being I am scum? Please say it. Please say this overreaction and me listening to you puts me in teh scum zone. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:43 iamperfection wrote: no i have come to the conclusion that you are dumb Because I listened to somebody while I had a scumread on that person. legit. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:45 yamato77 wrote: Can an iamp lynch realistically happen? he is leading in votes. And nobody but Robik reads him town. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:49 iamperfection wrote: Do you guys even know what a scum is can you define it for me because i dont think you guys do. What kind of scum is the most active person in the game, gives reads and thoughts, and openly antagonizes everyone because he don't give a fuck. Yamato should know this and if he thinks im scum i have to think he must be scum One thing is a town feature One thing is a scum feature you are doing the scum feature way more than the town feature. We should also plynch you for that. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:49 IAmRobik wrote: I did vote. I voted for bunnies. If you look at all my games, I generally vote later than earlier anyway, no matter my alignment (foundations i late voted the fuck out of mafia!killing over town!VE...I think I've voted late as mafia too, but I don't remember specific games off the top of my head). I don't let people bully me into voting before I'm ready. I'll vote who I want when I please. Good for you. But we need votes to get things done atm. I also want everybody to vote even though it is not needed in theory. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:52 iamperfection wrote: Then your bad because you want to lynch someone that has done more than anyone else in the game. Listen to me what im saying about yamato if he actually thinks that im scum i am 99% sure he is scum. Sure. I will honestly consider it after you flip town. I promise. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:54 iamperfection wrote: We are not lynching me i do not get lynched as town. I like how you are giving us reasons to lynch you. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: WHAT!?!?!? The post you made less than 2 pages ago had ninjabunnies as one of the people who we can lynch. How is that not getting shit done LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Your logical flaws are almost as bad as Cora's. Like are you even thinking when you write? What? I never said anything about 27nb. You said you only vote when it pleases you. I said we need votes to get things done. Really. w.e Robik. | ||
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On July 09 2014 22:58 IAmRobik wrote: Koshi, you're tunneling from iamp for a case that Phil made on him. Your rationalizations are really bad. iamp is ACTUALLY trying and ACTUALLY reading this game. He's posting up a storm after promising not to post a lot. These are ALL TOWN TRAITS. Plus, what I said about his entrance is 100% true and if you push this mislynch on iamp i'm going to be pissed if it goes through. W/E -- I can concede that I might be wrong, but your case on him is garbo and you should reconsider trying to lynch one of the most active people who, from my POV, is actually doing work and actually reading the game correctly. The fact that NOBODY BUT ME is reading iamp as town should be a testiment to how fucking town he is. NO ONE IS CONTESTING AN IAMP LYNCH BUT ROBIK. That's not the sign of a mafia being lynched. That's the sign of a town being lynched. Your opinion has been noted down. I disagree. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:07 iamperfection wrote: ???? you listed him as person to be lynched I meant: Getting shit done had nothing to do with 27nb. his big LOOOOOOOOOOOL was out of place. He can vote 27nb. Now that he voted everything is fine. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:11 IAmRobik wrote: I voted bunnies like 24hrs ago. I don't know what you're talking about. Koshi, if you keep pushing iamp, we're going to have problems -- you and I Ah. Damn. Keep missing votes. Didn't see. I will push iamp. But people are not voting. 4 hours since last vote. So silly. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:22 yamato77 wrote: we are not lynching Cora Just jump on the iamp train will you? I can make it happen. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:35 mderg wrote: I´m on page 31 now. I´m pretty sure koshi is town, when I was scum with him he was scared about posting and nervous as shit. Here he is pretty clear about his reads and seems happy. That´s only based on meta but I´m confident about him being town. I also think Robik is town. His egocentric posts implying that everyone besides him is bad feels pretty much like him in world cup mini. I haven´t played that many games with him, though, so I can´t be 100% sure. mderg If you can't finish reading in 5 - 6 hours. Please sheep me on iamperfection. You got me as town and click on my filter and you will see more pages than in our scumgame. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote: I AM MAFIA. KILL ME PLEASE. Then when I flip cop, don't lynch iamperfection Thanks. Just quit the game. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:54 Forumite wrote: I´m also defending Corazon I´m also getting really unsure about this lynch. ##Unvote Doesn't matter anymore. A town lynch is better than a no lynch. Simply because the towns on the no lynch can move on and we can trust iamperfection his reads. It is what it is. iamperfection is the lynch. None of the other candidates for lynch have good cases on them. There are currently 5 people on iamp that really believe he is scum. Nobody else comes close. Please put your vote back on iamp. | ||
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prplhz same for you, the lynch is going to be iamp. Cora wont happen. Please consider lynching your townread iamp over a no lynch. Maybe not now directly but at that point where you will see that an iamp lynch is better than a no lynch. I think that point is now already though. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:59 HaruRH wrote: Koshi on a scale of 1 to BrazilVSGermany how much can I trust you with my vote Everybody reads me as town. Everybody also knows my scummeta. I am like 100% town. I really really really believe we should lynch iamp. Please vote him. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:59 IAmRobik wrote: STOP IT KOSHI -- YOURE ACCUSATION OF IAMP IS TERRIBAD stop stop stop stop stop. I'd rather you just misylnch me now over iamp because you guys are all donkies and unworthy of being in a game with me I am going to reply to you 1 more time for the entire game. I do not like your personality. It is quickly moving to a point in which I don't want to play games with you anymore. You are the first person that comes even close to this in my life. You can keep flaming me. I will ignore you. This game is over between us till I see your alignment and we can PM. | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:45 iamperfection wrote: This iamperfection the coach speaking who is the best coach in the world- Now usually in more experienced games you don't have to do this but due to current circumstance its clear you are all nubs. I want everyone to define for me scum characteristics . If you don't do this you are anti town. i will be back in a few hours to correct you. iamp, You refuse to talk about the points raised against you. That's why you are lynched. Well, the reason is that these points made against you make you the best lynch in this game. There are also not that much reasons to townread you. Your activity is now spiking insanely but it's just too late. Your readpost is just not consistent with the rest if your play. If you are town you played bad, and not bad in a "you are wrong about stuff way", you played lazy and inconsistent. I have already said you are not interested in solving the game while posting before your read post. This is the truth, you wanted 10 vigi shots but you did nothing to reduce this number. This is lazy. I also checked the post in GoT you made and you actually had a lot of tiny reasoning lines for your null reads. Here you have nothing. You were around when Toad made his case against Cora (you posted right after but ignored the case). But in your read post you call Cora scum for making that post Toad instantly called Cora scum for. Why where you not interested back then? Why were you back then ignoring Toad trying to solve the game? On July 08 2014 03:08 iamperfection wrote: just chill robik On July 08 2014 03:14 iamperfection wrote: I am now making it official policy that is anti town to not use the name that the person signed up with. Who is banks? Those were the 2 posts you made while Toad vs Cora was happening. Sure, you did +1 Toad a bit later but instantly after that ignored it again and made a post about why Robik is town. This happens more. Robik asked you what you found about Forumite his opening post and you had no clue. Toad makes a case against Forumite, I jump on this case and we talk for it multiple pages. What did you do? You ignored everything. This isn't townie at all, iamp. But the real kicker is, you call Toad scum in your read post. While you had 5 pages of post, you were actively posting stuff, but you never said anything about Toad scum. You even agreed with his post against Cora. But then you call him scum for not wanting to lynch you when he says both his current vote target is scum, and he is scum on you. This is so poor iamp. I don't understand your thought process. Toad has done so much and then you call him scum for something like that? There is more stuff that just doesn't make sense. Small things. Like how is it possible you can't convince me about your reads? I have 6 scumreads here, I made the posts around them and gave reasoning. I don't see the same conviction from you. You want to lynch Damdred for 1 post he made, but you called him town for 2 other reasons. But you want to limit a lynch between Cora/Damdred. I don't get that. And you still thread me like a possible scummer when I am obvious town. This just indicates to me you are not solving this game. We are all neutral to you. This is why we lynch you iamp. And this is my last post explaining why. | ||
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On July 10 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote: Wait a moment: Where is this in your case, Koshi? I said he +1 it later. | ||
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On July 10 2014 01:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Koshi, I think you are town, but I think you are highly wrong on Iamp. I just don't see him as mafia here. People are reading him a mafia for things I just don't see, and tbh your case isn't convincing me. I think most of the people here are just- "Ooo look, a big case. I don't have to do the work. Let's just sheep koshi and then we can lynch him tomorrow when iamp turns up town". That's how this is going down. And I refuse to be a part of it. I'd rather lynch cora or forumite today. Possibly one of the lurkers, but I can't seem to get yall to agree with my ritoky case. Sure it is possible. I also think that there a tiny bit too many people really against this iamp lynch. Too many people that don't have such a good grasp on this game to be so against this lynch. Like yourself. You fucked around a bit too much in this game to be so against this lynch. It's odd to me. Maybe not. I don't know. | ||
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On July 10 2014 01:45 kushm4sta wrote: Iamp has never been mislynched as town. That tells you that when he's town, he's obv town. He is going to write some shit to try to squirm out of this lynch. Don't let him.hammer him now. I would like to read what his last post is. | ||
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I think I once said these 5 names: 27nb/Cora/iamp/damdred/forumite with iamp turning green I am really sad. People I also think are green: yamato, Toad, Vivax, Robik, HaruRh, Alakaslam They should die due to nk some time though. Watch out for people that don't change their reads. gutread towns: SlOosh, Obiwan gutread reds: Exo_ I am here to talk. Otherwise last post. | ||
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I do not know why he is playing like he is playing. He should say why. Somewhere he says he will need 2 more days to catch up. hahahaha. So silly. So untrue. And I am sure mderg is pretty active this game because: On July 10 2014 02:38 mderg wrote: Would you prefer a no lynch over an iamperfection lynch? He knows how close we are to an iamperfection lynch, he himself has not yet voted, but he seems to be pushing an iamperfection lynch here? I think mderg is smart enough to know that waiting on iamp his last post would be a good call. Especially if mderg is around to help the hammer. We still had 3 hours. mderg posts a lot of things while catching up, but I have the feeling he is pretty up to date. Him scumreading yamato is also pretty meh. yamato was not hiding at all on this iamp lynch. | ||
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On July 11 2014 00:01 kushm4sta wrote: Why is this a short day? I'm starting to think koshi is scummy for blatantly shit reasons behind his votes. Koshi if you have a list of possible scum, why are you voting for the ones with the least evidence of being scum? Because I can Kush. It's short cuz it's in the day post. | ||
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On July 11 2014 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: So Koshi has not one but TWO really weird interactions with ObiWan yesterday. In both of them, he asks him what appear to be direct, pointed questions. In both cases, ObiWan directly responds, but in both cases, Koshi doesn't ever revisit the matter, and ObiWan is never seen in any of Koshi's suspicious lists. So here's how I am seeing it, and anyone who is good at this sort of thing should fact check me because I'm generally bad at it, but: Koshi asks Obi X, Y,Z - presumably to get a read Obi answers (at some length) Koshi ignores and goes to bed. Koshi asks Obi about specific players. Obi doesn't seem to respond Koshi is fine with Obi So why does he feel the need to ping out Obi twice - he's obviously looking at him and thinking about him - but never put him on his suspicious list? Also (again, check my FAX bro, this is my drug-addled memory) these interactions are during the formative stage of the wagon on Obi that formed D1, so it just seems odd that Koshi has no comment on the things he asks Obi about. Why not say whether or not he agrees with the wagon? ##Vote: Koshi In my defense I had Obiwan as solid town. | ||
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On July 11 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote: I saw that the vengeful spirit can figure out if somebody is a ghost or not, there's not much more that I can say about it. No I meant the kind of ghost players you called thepoofter scum for in World Cup. | ||
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On July 11 2014 07:14 Vivax wrote: I would say mderg fits that profile the most, 2 of his scumreads basically vanished within a short time, leaving only forumite, yet I don't see him acting upon that, only discussing stuff revolving around him. Ok. But can you give me the definition of a ghost "player". | ||
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On July 11 2014 07:09 Vivax wrote: I'm rolling with that at the moment. Can't be 100 % but I don't feel he's the scum I'm looking for when I read his stuff. Can you give me an interpretation of this post cause I ge the feeling laya wants to scumread VE, and in the second half he wants to scumread mderg, but I'm not really sure. It's quite the salad, but I get the feeling he might be making some important points about the two. I don't understand the point layabout is making. this part is unreadable: mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town, not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so. I don't even know what he is saying. Anyway. I think layabout is town. VE is town. mderg looks so insanely scummy. mderg is clearly overstating the scumread VE has on him. mafia mindset is that mderg does this to proof that VE is scum. Really bad. | ||
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On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote: The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it. kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda" I think I might have thought this somewhere earlier but my head is so heavy atm and I am so tired. But could you quote some of these posts in which mderg is pushing mafia agenda. Or not town agenda. Thx. gn all. | ||
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And nothing in his 5 posts is interesting. Toad gained scumpoints. | ||
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On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote: So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point. I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point. But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work? And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as: Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout and would like to hear from them in the thread cuz I liek u. 1) VE/Layabout look pretty town atm. Toad doesn't anymore on D2 but his D1 is pretty good so yeah. 3 townies. 2) the mderg case is pretty good. Check the town agenda post. 3) Nobody does why BM did it. I might have theories but they suck. About Koshi/prplhz, somebody masoned us. End of story. 4) Why is layabout in that list again? Also. Could you give me your read on Alakaslam? What pops in your head when somebody yells ALAKASLAM. | ||
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On July 11 2014 18:55 Bill Murray wrote: Koshi and Sinani can both be scum, guys So sad you didn't join us last night. We were having a party at my house, we were 1 man short to play Settlers of Catan. I hope he is ok, haven't heard from him today. @mderg Now that you found scum you should defend yourself agaisnt this post, layabout says the are scummotivated: On July 11 2014 08:07 layabout wrote: in response to koshi: today mderg has: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552040 tried to discredit yamato who let's be honest, has had town shining out of his arse for quite a long time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552107 been critical of corazon who has flipped town since (this is not to say that corazon was acting really town just that it turns out he was) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552970 acted defensively but conceded validity to the case against him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552999 tried to point out specific posts that make him look town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22553103 pointed out he had a read that he doesn't have anymore there are a few one liners which dont add much http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554088 this post has no value but if you follow it you might get confused, what is the point of it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554556 big space for a post, we have a null read wifom and a correction about how mafia's shot's work a lot of these post's could be interpreted as having mafia goals behind them some quite clearly others less so or not at all. However you have to make quite an effort to see these posts as coming from a pro-town mindset. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554887 criticism of a case follow by insults | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:10 prplhz wrote: there's no way you're not getting lynched until you adequately explain 1) why did you fake claim roleblock 2) why did you track koshi 3) why did you out sinani pretty sure he tracked Sinani. Also did you read my message in our QT? we friends? | ||
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On July 11 2014 20:16 prplhz wrote: no. i gave you enough chances and you kept trolling. i closed the tab, delete the chrome history entries, and the host PM with the link. not going to risk going into the qt and then you're just trolling me for the 1000th time, i would figuratively literally lose my mind. Well. I did the same as your last post in the QT. It's cool though. The Undead Hunters are watching us. | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:07 sinani206 wrote: didn't see the need to claim this early but yeah i can connect two people; i chose robik and koshi, robik died and it got deflected to prp Why? | ||
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##Vote: mderg I think this is best till I see an emotional post from mderg. I wonder if mafia is still playing this game. | ||
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On July 11 2014 22:53 Forumite wrote: I´m against a BM lynch. He does weird shit, nothing new there. I don´t mind the claim, he probably wanted to get it posted before scum gets around to shooting him. Are you forrealzies? | ||
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Now I read it and it is confirmed difficult. | ||
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Ofc we wont kill him today. But yeah. I got bad feels from today from him. His N1 and D2. Scummy to the max. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:19 Forumite wrote: Why did you unvote? moar time is moar money | ||
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iamp also died too soon. I kinda wanted to unvote him and when I decided it was a good time Cora hammered. Also I was eating. But really. Imagine another read post from iamp. Would have been good. Let's see what mderg can type. Then he died. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:27 mderg wrote: Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched. Well... The rules state that Palmar needs to say 12h in front of the end of a day. I don't know if we are already 24h or 48h in the day but w.e Could you just make your last post now? We are waiting for it and then we will hammer. Make it count broski. | ||
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On July 10 2014 10:08 layabout wrote: at page 42 and i can't believe that koshi could head up a wagon kinda don't want to post properly yet but since you insist kush.. kush the very statement that VE was convinced mderg was scum is untrue. If you look at VE's posts around the time he is clearly willing to move to Exo could get behind a forumite lynch and is open to nearly anyone that isn't very active as a potential lynch. Hell look at his vote post: Click the nested bit!! mderg says that that isn't "close to a scumread" however, I would say it's a description of scummy behavior making it pretty much "close to a scumread" mderg is either lying or is inattentive. His actions not only fit but match VE's day1 play in nearly every game i have seen him in. VE's vote typically bounces around all over the place. VE is clearly open to a number of lynches and is actively considering other lynche candidate eg corazon. Mderg's point that VE swapped from a hard read to someone who he didn't think was scummy is also totally misrepresentative. mderg is not only adding a throwaway point but one that is not valid If you still aren't convinced about VE give this a read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=VisceraEyes&page=2 mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town, not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so. I will likely get onto this later but nothing looked town about obiwan's entrance into the thread and i am surprised it hasn't been jumped on yet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22528115 On July 11 2014 16:26 slOosh wrote: Right now I'm most comfortable with an mderg lynch. Let me expound: Context: D2 (pg 94~95), Vivax asks mderg to clarify his scumreads. Additionally he asks if mderg still scumreads yamato (presumably asking about mderg's interpretation of the Obiwan flip). Mderg responds "you forgot VE". As in, "VE is still a scumread". Then he says of yamato, "he was on ObiWanShinobi, right?", and then retracts his scumread on yamato based on his voting of ObiWan and the unlikelyhood of a bus. Checkpoint: At this post, mderg knows that ObiWan flipped scum. I say this because he is doing this slow reading thing, and it's not at all clear where he is and while really annoying, it's something to consider. He has read the D2 daypost and knows ObiWan flipped scum. The way the phrasing happens, mderg is recalling from memory the D1 stuff. "yamato was on Obi right?" Night 1, p90: mderg's scumread on VE is precisely because VE moved his vote off him (mderg) onto Obiwan. So mderg knows that VE voted ObiWan. Yet when he reconsiders yamato as potential town for being on ObiWan, he does not mention VE at all! The read that should have changed first doesn't change! What's my point? mderg is scum because he is inconsistent. The information he holds and the way he interprets it is inconsistent with his reads. Town don't do that. Scum do that. ##Vote: mderg On July 11 2014 07:46 layabout wrote: clarifying this: what i am saying is in relation to this quote: mderg exaggerates VE's original position to say that VE was convinced about his read., he then tries to make it look as if VE didn't think or at least shouldn't have thought obiwan was mafia, from what had been said in the thread. mderg then makes the point that the switch was too easy for VE and that, that is scummy since he should have stuck with his hard read. what mderg is saying suggests that VE's scumread on him was BS since he was willing to switch without saying much. mderg was calling VE scummy in a way that looks like it was intended to make mderg look good. i would argue this is scummy since if mderg thought VE was scummy he needs to push that. It doesn't need to be tied in to mderg's own image but enough of that On July 11 2014 08:07 layabout wrote: in response to koshi: today mderg has: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552040 tried to discredit yamato who let's be honest, has had town shining out of his arse for quite a long time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552107 been critical of corazon who has flipped town since (this is not to say that corazon was acting really town just that it turns out he was) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552970 acted defensively but conceded validity to the case against him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552999 tried to point out specific posts that make him look town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22553103 pointed out he had a read that he doesn't have anymore there are a few one liners which dont add much http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554088 this post has no value but if you follow it you might get confused, what is the point of it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554556 big space for a post, we have a null read wifom and a correction about how mafia's shot's work a lot of these post's could be interpreted as having mafia goals behind them some quite clearly others less so or not at all. However you have to make quite an effort to see these posts as coming from a pro-town mindset. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554887 criticism of a case follow by insults On July 11 2014 22:22 layabout wrote: I think a forumite lynch could give some good info and i was a little torn between the two but mderg's vote on Exo is inexcusable. dude basically claimed mafia. I could see hiro being mafia. The BM push is bullshit we have good reason to suspect others so why would you jump on a LAL lynch? | ||
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WE STILL HAVE +12 HOURS LEFT. Mderg is going to give his final reads? Why are you scummers so afraid of what he will say? | ||
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Mderg, when you return. Give me examples of oversights and inconsistencies because I forced you to stop lagging behind. I don't agree with that at all and it is a poor excuse. Unless I am mistaken. | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:12 layabout wrote: sorry 2 leaning town if he is saying there are only 5 people he thinks could be town then he isn't keeping up i have about 12 Yeah, but you aren't on the chopping block. If he is town he might wants his reads to be really valuable. So he is not going to take the risk of calling people town whom he is not sure off. In your list of 12. Are these 5 the strongest townreads? | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:14 layabout wrote: koshi you aren't thinking straight bill looked quite good yesterday and if as a tracker he is significantly more likely to be town anyone can make a list post like mderg just did and he only did it because if he didn't he would get auto-lynched Bill looked like utter shit yesterday. He didn't fucking play the game. How did he look good? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? He was a N1 kill in TL Order. He was trash D1 and did a fucking ridiculous tracker claim on D2. What if Sinani was our doc???? Lucky he was just the masoner. Why should a townie reveal a track target to a person who did not die. I was an actual possible NK. Sinani could be town cop or town doc or who the fuck knows. As long as I didn't die there was no reason to claim. | ||
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But I can look at the evidence here and I think that is very unlikely scum mderg gives these reads. Maybe he can do it. And we need a lynch. And I know you are not the person I have to ask to switch. You are committed to this read. however, there are still people in this thread who did not really voice to much opinions about this lynch. I looked for the reasons why mderg was getting lynched in pages 101-now and it was only you and SlOosh with a decent case. So I am going to defend mderg here and see what happens. I actually think he could be town tbh. | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:23 layabout wrote: Bill actually cared about the lynch and addressed the main wagons which is more than can be said for some even if it looked like he didn't do much he still had his priorities straight http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539549 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539419 Hmmm. Ok. Good point. Still. Those posts are not impossible to make as scum. The list mderg just posted is worth more than those 2 posts from BillMurray. | ||
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scum in detention mafia scum in Normal mini numbered town in Glory seeker mafia Ok so here is some meta. If you look at the scum games you see that mderg starts a lot of sentences with "I think" "I don't think" "I don't like" etc. He doesn't do it in World Cup. He doesn't do it here. Sadly he does it a lot in Glory Seeker mafia as town as well. so meh. Anybody else seeing differences or similarities? Time to get some towncred and be useful guys! | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:45 mderg wrote: anyone who wants to hammer me before I make my lasts read doesn´t have town interests in mind. I will begin to work on my reads post now, will take some time because of double-checking and shit. Is this post townie btw? He actually says when he will start making his read post. If I was scum I wouldn't post this because I wouldn't know how long it would take me to fake my reads. Or I would prepare something at least and then make this post. Not make this post and then 2 hours later make something I could write in 30 minutes if I was town. Dnu. strange. | ||
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TL Order 8 page filter D1 as town 1 month ago. What is the same in this filter and BM current filter? | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:53 Toadesstern wrote: Has BM explained why he picked Sinani, the guy he never mentioned in his filter even just once before the claim yet? As far as I know, no he hasn't... I still think he scumslipped and nothing else with his RB. He did not know that there are no RB-notifications. If he did not know that fact there's no reason to do that as a townie. As for mderg, I agree with Koshi, I like that post from him. So how did BM know that Sinani visited me? | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:58 HaruRH wrote: He doesn't do it here? So is my post leading up to the vote on mderg useless/fake? What post? | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:59 Forumite wrote: Yes, they are completely different in their levels of activity and ballsiness. One reason for this is the obvious that he´s got a power role this time and needed to change his style to preserve it. Yeah, whatever. I´m still going with my old rule on Bill Murray, I´m not lynching him. yeah and another reason is he is scum and scum plays less ballsy and active. | ||
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##vote: Forumite Somewhere somebody said this guy was town. But I can't vote BM when there is a scummy guy holding on to a townread like this. | ||
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Forumite give me a bunch of games in which BM plays like this as town. 2-3 page filter, hardly any content by end of D2. | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:04 Toadesstern wrote: never said he's not a tracker, I said the RB part was a lie and he wasn't aware of there not being notifications. He hasn't even explained why he lied about the RB yet. Put yourself in his shoes and let's assume you're a townie who's lying for some reason. So you got figured out and people point out the no notification. Would you really just ignore that? Hell no, you would explain your stupid plan and how it's supposed to catch mafia and how awesome it is and how that's the reason he lied. He never cared to explain that part, that's because he never cared about the RB to begin with and just did it for shitz and giggles without a reason. Why would you do that as town? I agree. But claiming RB for shitz and giggles is really strange. Especially because I don't see what he could gain from it as mafia. Towncred? meh. I was voting BM btw, so it's not that I don't see what you mean. | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:07 HaruRH wrote: If that's all from this game we should lynch him I am not seeing things right? He does say "I don't like" "I think" way more in his scumgames? | ||
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Somebody else can do it if they see a reason. I don't see one anymore. My vote will go back to mderg for a hammer. I still think we should use all the time we get. | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:12 Toadesstern wrote: I've seen people either claim being RB'ed as mafia or at least discussing it in mafia QT in I think about 4 out of my last 5 games as mafia? Maybe that trend stopped over the last year but for what I know shooting and RB'ing the same guy on n1 when you have very little reads about blues, thus hiding your RB and claiming it on one of your own guys for towncred is probably the most common mafia strategy on all of TL mafia? Even better in this game because you don't have to hide it because no notifications... Ok sure. But still. Why not go on with the RB thing then and say he is a tracker but got no result back? the next night he tracks somebody who is town and everybody is all like "amagad BM is totes town tracker who got RB n1" | ||
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Anyhoezels. You are really on fire today with all the role speculation talk. | ||
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Why are you town? Give us all the reasons. | ||
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On July 12 2014 08:02 mderg wrote: I´m honestly too tired to do that. The probability of me not being lynched is 0% I am sad. Why can't you fight? | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:48 yamato77 wrote: Koshi Alakaslam Toadesstern prplhz slOosh HaruRH layabout VisceraEyes Vivax kushm4sta sinani206 HiroPro Forumite batsnacks ExO_ Damdred Bill Murray ritoky in order, towniest to scummiest I am actual really ok with this list. So in case I die. Start from the bottom. | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:02 Toadesstern wrote: if BM flips red I caught a fucking scumslip that people ignored to get the guy you wanted lynched instead... I didnt want to lynch mderg. Well not a lot. It's cool bro. I just missed you d2. | ||
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I take it that I am wrong about everything. So. I am doing nothing. | ||
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I am thinking no? Damn Kush getting modkilled. I guess we could wait 2 days. | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:10 Toadesstern wrote: Koshi what do you make of my idea to ignore the two and lynch forumite if we have to lynch before he comes back? Mafia doesn't seem to roleblock or shoot BM for whatever reason), so might as well let him keep tracking and prove this whole thing that way? That way we'd be more certain one which one of those 2 is lying with a mafia agenda (<--- had to put that there for the chance of BM being town and lying for shitz and giggles) If BM gets shot during the night and flips town because they obviously don't have a RB we instalynch Kush. If BM doesn't get shot we either get another track result or forcing him to keep this thing up depending on wether he's town or mafia. Both helpful for us. I don't like it. | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:22 Forumite wrote: Toades, make up your mind. Lynch me and be done with it if you want to but don´t drag it out. You are one of the towniest players in the game except for this one constant FoS on me. I´m calling it: If I and Toades are alive at LYLO then I guarantee that he has been scum all along, only keeping me around for an easy late-game lynch. Yeah no. That's not scum Toads his plan. | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:29 Toadesstern wrote: we have a watcher on top of that. If BM is actually town we have everything we need to deal with it. If BM get's no result he was either RB'ed by mafia or shot by mafia and VE will see that, assuming VE is telling the truth. I do'nt think Forumite is scum. We are not dieing bro. prplz fucking died. | ||
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Somebody should check prplhz and the other guy filter. | ||
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On July 14 2014 04:57 layabout wrote: why wait he is totally mafia? if you say so. | ||
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On July 14 2014 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm going to come out here because it's D3 and I have literally NOTHING useful from my checks, but I'm a Watcher. I watched yamato N1 and Toad N2. I got no results back both nights, because apparently mafia don't like killing good active players or whatever. Or perhaps I was roleblocked. Who the hell knows. My theory is that BM is a mafia Tracker, so he suspects there is a town-aligned Watcher (Hi!) and that's why the mafia aren't going after players who are likely to be watched. But obviously this theory is predicated on the knowledge of my own alignment and role and I'm not expecting you guys to buy it. Also it's possible that I was roleblocked and that's why I got no results back, but they're both alive so they obviously weren't targeted with KP (It's possible Yamato was targeted and saved D1, but I was roleblocked. SOMEONE was probably saved N1 because only one town death.) Anyway, the short of it is that I'm a Watcher. Does anyone want to explain to me why Forumite town? Or, failing that, can anyone explain to me at the very least why they aren't voting for him? Oh. Some1 told me that you didn't watch anybody N1. just fyi. | ||
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On July 14 2014 19:45 VisceraEyes wrote: How is that fyi? There's no "i" fy to give me there, just a random meaningless statement. Maybe WHO told you that? Or why they think they know better than I do? oh pls. you didn't know you were rb. I tell you. that's the i. My minions told me. One of the smarter ones. | ||
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I can't believe mafia still has 2kp. Tbh I can't believe mafia had 2 base kp and then 2 hit vigi. Not that we should hunt for that guy. Let mafia kill him. Would be cool if that guy started killing mafia. | ||
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I could be that guy. But not now. | ||
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On July 14 2014 21:52 layabout wrote: If there is another 3party i shall be most pissed SK's are bullshit wonder if haruh crumbed his protects it could maybe explain missing kp koshi explain those comments to VE about roleblocks, minions etc and do it now There is no need. Nothing will come from that. | ||
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• yamato77 People that should be town because I heard things about them lately but didn't die last night: • Bill Murray • layabout People I thought were scum D1 but not anymore because I am not dieing: • Forumite People I thought were town D1, and I should reread because I doubt myself: • Toadesstern • slOosh • Vivax People I thought were scum and I have no clue why they aren't scum: • Damdred People town shouldn't take care off because if they are last scum or SK the killing in the night will stop: • Alakaslam People that are apparently in this game: • ExO_ • ritoky • batsnacks • HiroPro | ||
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I am an observer, which means I can see if somebody goes somewhere. However, I can not see where they go. I can also not see if somebody visits my target. N1 VE --> Didn't go anywhere. N2 Forumite --> Didn't go anywhere. N3 Ritoky --> Didn't go anywhere. | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:13 layabout wrote: koshi you just wanted to get shot so you can say you played well what happened to breadcrumbing? It was super fun to do if you all don't post more i'm voting for myself I was actually trying to make a clever crumb but then I saw VE was there and I just said it. | ||
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As in 80% sure. If you don't want to kill him today make sure to kill him in any lylo situation. | ||
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On July 15 2014 20:43 yamato77 wrote: I don't think mafia Sloosh would be this active this late in the game. I disagree. He isn't active. He isn't solving the game. He isn't being tunneled. I am looking at his filter and there is no mention of Vivax, while slOosh is being the lurkerhunter. Now he is voting Vivax? In his entire filter there is nothing on Vivax anyway, there is this really small question from Vivax to SlOosh and I am not yet sure if it is out of place. Maybe: On July 09 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote: Here for 15ish minutes. Vivax, this is how I approach big games, I'm sure it will improve as numbers shrink. Unless there is something I want to really hop into and talk about, I probably won't. He didn't quote the Vivax interaction. While slOosh always quotes what he replies to. And there are 2 defenses of Vivax: On July 08 2014 08:03 slOosh wrote: Vivax is voicing his general suspicion of Toads. Nothing wrong with that. On July 11 2014 16:43 slOosh wrote: Garbo soft defense HiroPro, it's pretty clear that Vivax asked him for current scum reads (hence his use of the present tense), Try again. Especially the last one is strange. Unless slOosh was invested in that conversation? | ||
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On July 12 2014 18:42 Forumite wrote: Bad post, you should know better VE. Why is this a bad post Forumite? Also Forumite. GIVE ME YOUR READS NOW. You aren't doing anything and you will be lynched if you keep it up. I can do the thing scum is keeping me alive for. ez. | ||
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Batsnacks stop your shitty tunnel or you can also die. Are you 2 still being masoned? that means Mason for D4 + N4? This means there is a scum that when he kills somebody he takes their bluepower? | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:48 yamato77 wrote: Koshi Alakaslam Toadesstern prplhz slOosh HaruRH layabout VisceraEyes Vivax kushm4sta sinani206 HiroPro Forumite batsnacks ExO_ Damdred Bill Murray ritoky in order, towniest to scummiest This list is so bad. Who would ever agree to it. I can see why we are still alive. | ||
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On July 15 2014 21:14 Forumite wrote: Obiwan mentioned kush, ritocky and bats in an evasive manner. Kush's list of scum from a few days ago prplzhz iamperfection batsnacks ObiWanShinobi 27ninjabunnies ritocky? The only ones that haven´t flipped are batsnacks and ritocky. Kush added in Obi, two confirmed town and one 3rd party that looked scummy at the time. He threw in Obi in there, he might have thrown another scum in too. Both Kush and Obi throw some FoS on eachother and bats+ritocky, the two people being discussed today. Thoughts? I don't feel Obiwan was evasive over ritoky. I look at that and Obiwan could just be defending a townie there. ill probably filter dive kush and bats at some point. i remember kush being towny and bats having a shitty opening but thats it. That pretty ballsy if both are scum. But I don't think like we should put too much value in it. Kush, putting 1 or 2 scum in a list of 6. Hmm. I would maybe go for 2. Again. Not much value should be put in this. Forumite. Can you post your thoughts on everybody? Something Ritoky did. The problem is I can't believe anything you say, you are not town enough for me to take this post at value, you might be a scummer pushing scumagenda. Make me believe you are town please. This is a really important day for town. | ||
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On July 15 2014 21:54 Forumite wrote: D3 as BM was hinting on tracking kush, yamato and sloosh tried to start a wagon on ritocky. When BM explained then they changed their mind and voted kush. Why is yamato considered town? Can you work with quotes here? | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:11 Damdred wrote: I was just saying.....well your right doesn't make sense bm has to explain but ill trust bm for now ##vote: kush WHAT IS THIS? BM doesn't make any sense and he needs to explain it because I don't understand him at all. But let me just trust him and vote Kush. DAMNED RED, explain this please. | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:03 HiroPro wrote: like let's be perfectly clear here. mafia have already lost two members so they don't have too many choices that they can send out for night kills. we have a ton of blue roles and judging from the setup of storm I, it's pretty likely that every mafia player has a role. someone who didn't do any visits last night should definitely be at lower priority for lynch. Does this sounds like Oh hi guys I am scum and I know we have 2 NKs. So currently we only have 3 scum members left and it all of us has to do stuff. | ||
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YOU HAVE 1 PAGE FILTER? ARE YOU FOR FUCKING REAL? | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:15 Forumite wrote: around pages 119-127 BM hints he followed kush and a lot of talk about ritoky starts + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 14:22 Bill Murray wrote: Last night, Kush, Ill have you know, I tracked you On July 13 2014 14:26 slOosh wrote: Can we lynch ritoky? I think he plays scum the same way I play scum. Try a bit and then lurk city cause it's hard to post. On July 13 2014 14:29 slOosh wrote: That makes no sense if you announce tracks scum can just send someone else? On July 13 2014 14:29 slOosh wrote: BM why did you track sinani over forumite? On July 13 2014 14:42 yamato77 wrote: let's kill ritoky On July 13 2014 14:43 kushm4sta wrote: so this was a reaction test? how are you even in the position to reaction test by lying when you aren't even reading the game.. ~~~ is there a case against ritoky i can look at? yamato calling kush town and more on ritoky + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote: well whatever I guess it doesn't matter, really I think they are both town On July 13 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote: that said, I really want ritoky to post a lot today or we WILL lynch him On July 13 2014 15:19 slOosh wrote: ritoky you still high or what? On July 13 2014 15:20 slOosh wrote: ##Vote: ritoky BM reveals his real check and yamato changes his mind + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 19:38 Bill Murray wrote: first off, this is pretty clearing of ritoky as town. ##unvote second off, kush is like 95% likely scum Kush was on Sinani last night I wanted to get more information out of him, but he is banned, and when he is replaced..... that person won't give me anything to go on... so we might as well just lynch the slot now ##vote: kushm4sta On July 13 2014 20:03 yamato77 wrote: ok BM On July 13 2014 20:28 yamato77 wrote: i guess we just lynch kush? On July 14 2014 01:44 slOosh wrote: Is BM claiming that kush visited both Sinani AND layabout? On July 14 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote: Yea that seems like it is it. I have no reason to doubt BM. ##Vote: kushm4sta Mind, among this BM first starts FoS on ritoky which he drops, and there are several others who FoS BM and call bullshit, so it wasn´t a sure lynch for a long while. Still it could fit in with mafia behavior, protect your scumbuddy while he can be saved, but jump on the wagon quickly if it looks like he´s doomed anyway. This is really good stuff. Thank you. | ||
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SK Survivor or town (this means scum or town) If you are SK I am willing to let you win with town. Talk to me. | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:23 yamato77 wrote: town =/= always correct I know. But it is good stuff. Do you think Kush clears ritoky? | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:27 Damdred wrote: Sure, BM had confused me for the previous day and night and been elusive and refusing to answer questions. He had said the previous day that he had been roleblocked and unanswered. And I was still thinking about that BM still doesn't make sense about that but when someone claims a red mark I trust that they aren't lying or he would of been flipped the next day if BM was lying anyway. Are you still reading this thread? Can you also claim to me. SK, Survivor or town. | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:34 Forumite wrote: About bats and ritocky being mentioned by kush and obiwan? I´m putting bats on null and ritocky with town for now, depending on if I find more about yamato and sloosh. Could be scum trying something risky, could be town being wrong. My reads are all over the place, for a few days I´ve been happy with finding people I´m fairly sure are townies and sheep them but I need to step up my game. How long do you think we have left on the day? Doesn't matter. Give me the 4 names we should lynch into today. | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:29 Damdred wrote: I am reading the thread, just woke up and caught up from the bat and rit fight when i got frustrated and logged off last night. I'm a VT You said you were on of the better people on the site you normally play. On your site. Who would be the scummers left atm and why? | ||
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You have to know he is Vivax. Best player on this site. He always lynches scum D1 or D2. But as scum he can only be bothered D1, sometimes a bit D2. Why is this Vivax town for you? Look into his filter and tell me why you don't want to lynch him. Do this please. Last question. | ||
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On July 16 2014 02:47 HiroPro wrote: this guy. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Do you think the NKs are both from scum or is it scum + SK. | ||
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On July 16 2014 02:50 yamato77 wrote: why would vivax post nothing as town? ... why would he do it as mafia? because he doesn't have to post anything as long as no one wants to lynch him meh I might want to lynch Vivax. I can't believe town Vivax would disappoint me like this. | ||
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On July 16 2014 02:51 HiroPro wrote: SK is more likely. haruru is a really strange night kill. with two shots it would have been better to simply take down ve and bm at the same time. Explain this then please: On July 15 2014 07:03 HiroPro wrote: like let's be perfectly clear here. mafia have already lost two members so they don't have too many choices that they can send out for night kills. we have a ton of blue roles and judging from the setup of storm I, it's pretty likely that every mafia player has a role. someone who didn't do any visits last night should definitely be at lower priority for lynch. | ||
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On July 16 2014 02:55 HiroPro wrote: because when you lose 2 members, you have less people to choose for night kills? lol. Night kill or night kills? Like you understand why I have a problem with you saying that right? | ||
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You have 24 more hours to show a sign of life. | ||
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ExO_ is ExO_ he lurks as either alignment. Forumite. Tell me why SlOosh his case is garbage. | ||
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On July 16 2014 18:33 Forumite wrote: A month, great Sloosh, he´s scum because of his semi-defence of kush that dropped when the check came in, barely mentions obi or kush until he really needed to. I don´t think he mentions kush's or obi's names anywhere except in the quotes of others. Not necessarily a scumtell but doesn´t look good combined with the FoS D3. That was not my question. Why is slOosh his case bad. Tell me. Because to me and a lot of others slOosh is town. | ||
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On July 16 2014 18:40 Vivax wrote: Hai. I see my absence hasn't gone unnoticed. Needless to say I'll need a while to catch up with everything. O RLY | ||
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On July 16 2014 19:12 Forumite wrote: I don´t understand the question, "Why is sloosh his case bad"? What? I thought you meant "Tell me why Sloosh, his case is garbage", that I should elaborate. No tell me why Sloosh his case on Vivax is bad. | ||
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Just try to find the scummers for real and then we lynch you. | ||
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On July 16 2014 20:16 Vivax wrote: Found Damdred already, at least I'm rather sure that the way he handled mderg is the way a scummer would handle it. That question to mderg was just feigned, and his hammer wasn't confident. He had to look like he had some doubts, like he was trying to figure him out, hence that question. But the question wasn't important. He didn't let it flow into his reasoning, and the reason he hammered, so he claimed, was cause of the pressure from the others. Which is not what you would say if you truly were sure that mderg was scum. And I want you to agree with this cause it's really obvious, regardless of whether I get lynched or not. I agree it looks insanely believable. But you know... Going afk for so long is bad. | ||
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You let 2 misslynches happen D1 and D2. You didn't push these lynches, you let them happen. You were afk for too long but for some reason nobody cared. Tons of people have scumreads on all the other people that are afk, yet people are hesitant to lynch you today. Now that you are here, you can not make me forget you abandonned me in this thread. Therefore, please find all the scummers, I think 3 are left. Or maybe 4 and there is no sk but that is unlikely. And then you can die with dignity. But we can't simply not lynch you. I hope you understand. | ||
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Pick Vivax or Damndred please. | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:30 Vivax wrote: I can't not let a lynch just happen when the opposite would be to stop the lynch from happening, which I wouldn't have done cause I was believing that those were the best lynches at the time. This is why the arguments you and SlOosh use suck balls. You are saying I'm scum for not being able to see that those guys were town, cause that would be the only case in which I would not let these lynches happen. The other argument part of that mindset is that I didn't start those wagons, implying that such a thing is scummy in itself. These are all awful arguments, maybe useful for pushing my lynch, but not a valid way of discerning my alignment. The one and only thing behind all this wagon on me is Vivax afk for too long = scum. Everything else is either a pile of confirmation bias or something purely designed to get me lynched, I'll take a closer look at what it is for the individual players behind it when I'm fully caught up. In the meantime: ##Vote Damdred These are all reasons for why you are town right? I see Vivax giving reasons to not get lynched because he can't find good enough reasons to get Damdred lynched. I already commented that I liked your previous damdred case. But I would like to see more stuff tbh. On Damdred or another scummer. You missed many pages of thread you see. | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:23 Vivax wrote: There's no point in talking to you. I realized that much. It's a mix of provoking, nitpicking and forcing a reaction, then using the reaction against me. Good job if you managed to have 16 pages of filter as scum. Hmm. I can't do that as scum. You know that. But you are completely right I am trying to do those things. But I don't want to use it against you. tbh I was truly going to swap to Damdred btw. pinkyswear. But if he flips town you understand that I can't do anything else but spam for 100 pages in the night that you need to be lynched. You understand and accept this right? | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:46 Vivax wrote: No, I don't understand and don't accept it. If I have good reasons to think somebody is scum and so does every guy accepting my reasoning and voting for that lynch, then my reasoning was understandable and that guy made me read him wrong. The trick lies in figuring out if the reasoning is genuine or not, and in this case I think the reasoning is correct, and I guarantee that it's genuine. The question to mderg was bullshit, and the followup was bullshit, and it's there for the world to see. Has this post been discussed already? Yes. I said there is a scummer who steals bluepowers when he kills them. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:36 yamato77 wrote: Let's lynch Exo and give Vivax/Damdred more time to develop. I guess we could do that. Exo best bet? | ||
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On July 17 2014 00:56 Vivax wrote: In a game of this size it's likely, unless there are multiple factions. In the former big games it was mostly number of scum/2 rounded up I think. ... But the night kills really don't support that. Are you the SK? | ||
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If Damdred and ExO and Alakaslam are town we are losing the fucking majority. | ||
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I think we are fucked. | ||
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We should fucking lynch ExO_ | ||
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##vote damdred I should have realised faster we had to combine votes. dumb. | ||
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Gogo vote. Only 1h left. | ||
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On July 17 2014 03:36 Forumite wrote: Back, what´s happening? grtz on the scumclaim. Anyhoezels go vote damdred. We need +1 after you. Nothing else will happen. Let's pray the SK kills scum. Or the inactives. | ||
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I am officially not posting in this game anymore. I am reading it though. Just meh. | ||
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If there is no SK HiroPro slipped. Anyway lynch Vivax HiroPro Vivax ritoky That order. | ||
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I am certain we don't know who scummers are. People like Fourmite aren't even considered and they were superscummy early game. meh. | ||
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How did scum choose their kills? 1 kill always looked so random. | ||
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On July 22 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote: Yes thats basically what I said in my post a bit ago that people were afk or votes were stuck on me or exo. I explained that I had a hard time finding ways to interject early and it was later when I started feeling more comfortable with posting however badly or wrong I was. its not a good excuse and I agree it led to my death if my day one or two filter was better it would of been more difficult lynching me. yeah. | ||
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On July 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: Koshi you got so discouraged though especially when you weren't dead it was rough to see cause you were helping the game along so much day 1-2 even if you were wrong. Yeah. Horrible. | ||
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I was 80% sure. He didn't play good enough so he got lynched. Should play better next time. | ||
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On July 22 2014 06:36 Vivax wrote: I don't mean based on Palmar's decision, cause his decision was that the votes didn't count. I mean, if the votes were formatted correctly and counted before BM could post, and Exo got lynched and flipped VT, then town would have lynched BM's ass the next day I think. Everybody knew Exo_ was town because you tried to hammer him. So... I don't see the difference. | ||
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I really thought there was an SK. And I thought giving you +1 chance on Damdred was a good call. I would lynch you the day after I died. Red check or not. | ||
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Also Vivax is far from the best player on this site. I think when I said that I was baiting ritoky in saying something. But nobody said something. | ||
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On July 22 2014 07:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm curious who you think actually is, though. marv ofc. Nobody comes close. | ||
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