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On July 10 2014 03:04 layabout wrote:
still on page 25 but totes called that iamp was town and ninja was 3p
what idiots voted for that lynch?
You mean, what idiot doesn't do anything all game long only to pop in post flip and sound smart when he didn't do anything to get his opinion through while he still had the chance.
If your play D2 is homologous to D1 and you don't bleed town with your posts you can be sure to have me on your ass all game long til you flip dead.
Show us where you made those calls cause I can't see them.
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On July 10 2014 03:36 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 03:12 Vivax wrote:On July 10 2014 03:04 layabout wrote:
still on page 25 but totes called that iamp was town and ninja was 3p
what idiots voted for that lynch? You mean, what idiot doesn't do anything all game long only to pop in post flip and sound smart when he didn't do anything to get his opinion through while he still had the chance. If your play D2 is homologous to D1 and you don't bleed town with your posts you can be sure to have me on your ass all game long til you flip dead. Show us where you made those calls cause I can't see them. I will try and catch and and post stuff before night since i am probably getting shot but why would i try to direct a town when i haven't had time for even reading the thread?
You knew what you were up to when you signed into a game of this size. Don't do it if you can't play the game, no excuses.
Given the huge amount of lurkers in this game I wouldn't even be mad if you didn't come in post flip to make yourself sound so needlessly smart.
I would usually not even be able to say for sure that it makes you scum, but what else am I supposed to read you with, with a filter of your size.
It shows your incredible passivity up until a point where you could somehow make yourself look better.
And you don't answer the question: Where did you state that iamp is town and bunnies third party.
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Cora why did you hammer before iamp was going to post his testament.
Weren't you interested into what he had to say, were you just that confident, or afraid for yourself?
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On July 10 2014 03:56 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 03:53 Vivax wrote:
Cora why did you hammer before iamp was going to post his testament.
Weren't you interested into what he had to say, were you just that confident, or afraid for yourself? Cause we weren't going to get any other lynch besides Iamp. No one else picked up enough serious suspicion besides Forumite (who I think is town) and myself (who I know is town). As I said before, I'd rather take an Iamp lynch over a no-lynch.
We weren't really facing the threat of a no-lynch with 3 hours left.
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I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi.
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On July 10 2014 23:59 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 21:12 Koshi wrote:mderg is way too much in this thread to be going forward so slow. I also know for a fact mderg can just powerread and play in the present time. I do not know why he is playing like he is playing. He should say why. Somewhere he says he will need 2 more days to catch up. hahahaha. So silly. So untrue. And I am sure mderg is pretty active this game because: On July 10 2014 02:38 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit. Would you prefer a no lynch over an iamperfection lynch? He knows how close we are to an iamperfection lynch, he himself has not yet voted, but he seems to be pushing an iamperfection lynch here? I think mderg is smart enough to know that waiting on iamp his last post would be a good call. Especially if mderg is around to help the hammer. We still had 3 hours. mderg posts a lot of things while catching up, but I have the feeling he is pretty up to date. Him scumreading yamato is also pretty meh. yamato was not hiding at all on this iamp lynch. You are right that I could powerread this thread and play in the present. But that would mean that I have basically no idea about anything that happened. Good luck powerreading about 60 pages and remembering anything after that. How are you supposed to know how long it takes for me to catch up with the thread? You don´t know how fast I read, you don´t know how much time I´m spending on this, you don´t know what else is going on in my life. Stating anything like that is completely ridiculous. Of course I knew how close you were to an iamperfection lynch, I said that I was kinda reading what´s new, and that I did. But I had no idea why he was getting lynched, so I didn´t really have an opinion on him. My post you quoted was just about prefering an iamperfection lynch over a no lynch since a no lynch sucks. I also didn´t expect anyone to hammer him so early because it makes basically no sense to do that as any alignment. You also didn´t address kush´s and layabout´s points on me which make far more sense than the bullshit you said.
It would be way more useful if you didn't focus on yourself and instead try to figure out who the scum is.
Not that it's completely useless cause it demonstrates your defensive attitude but if you're town you won't convince anyone of that if you don't show that you're actively trying out to figure out the game and commit to your opinions.
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So your scumreads are Cora, forum and yamato?
Do you still scumread yamato?
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On July 11 2014 01:32 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. elaborate
Mainly for the activity thingy where he decided to give leeway to iamp but not to Robik, I couldn't really see the scum agenda behind it.
But thinking it through twice then that makes his iamp hammer even more illogical, so I'm taking that back, it was rash.
I have a hard time believing that he was the guy who shot Obi:
On July 10 2014 03:23 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 03:20 IAmRobik wrote:On July 10 2014 02:41 Corazon wrote:
Fuck it, Robik's just playing like an idiot.
I'll just fucking ignore everything he says and look for other lynch targets. It's pretty obvious that no one wants him lynched but me and we need a majority so...
##unvote: Robik
##Vote: Iamp[/B[ WHO'S PLAYING LIKE AN IDIOT NOW!??!?!?!? Please just do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up. You're just spewing out the stupidest shit ever just so people can read you as town. [b]Someone vig this idiot, please.
Now he comes in with a claim that's supposed to save his ass, but then still martyrs even though he should have an entirely different attitude if he actually just shot scum.
I would like the guy who shot Obi to claim cause I don't believe this guy.
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aahhhhhhh.
Alright guys, now I can focus entirely on this game, let's kill the fucking scum.
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On July 08 2014 03:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:08 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Does this make me town? On a more serious note, I'm not going to say someone is 100% scum 5-6 hours into a game. That's just stupid. I refuse to tunnel someone when not all of the players have even posted.
It doesn't necessarily make you town and it doesn't make you scum at this point. However your post screams hey guys i'm a townie look i'm being helpful, which is cool it just brings heat down on you and makes you look like you are trying to be seen as town.Toad seems to be playing semi-aggressive I don't know if that can be said he isn't scum hunting however at the moment anyway.
Dam, with Cora's alignment being known now I'm interested into the bolded. Was it meant to say that what he was doing was scummy or not?
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On July 11 2014 05:34 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Koshi
i'm masoned with koshi and he's denying it in thread
no reason to lie as town so he's scum
I don't really see how that makes him insta scum but you could explain it to me.
Maybe he had some special plans for you two in mind and didn't want you to go around spouting about you two being masoned.
How do you conclude that he must be scum just based on that.
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Btw I fact checked your case VE, Obi answered to Koshi afaik.
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On July 10 2014 11:04 HiroPro wrote:
sup. I read the thread.
anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to.
VE, I think this is for you. He doesn't seem all that interested about it now so I would enjoy if you two could make a public discussion about this. He didn't ask you for your reasoning for iamp or anything, just stated he didn't like it and kinda forgot about it to then sheep prplhz on Damdred.
Sort this out for the thread to see, thanks.
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On July 11 2014 06:53 Koshi wrote:
Vivax. Tell me about ghost players.
I saw that the vengeful spirit can figure out if somebody is a ghost or not, there's not much more that I can say about it.
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On July 11 2014 06:58 Koshi wrote:
Vivax can you tell me prplhz is 100% town?
I'm rolling with that at the moment. Can't be 100 % but I don't feel he's the scum I'm looking for when I read his stuff.
Can you give me an interpretation of this post cause I ge the feeling laya wants to scumread VE, and in the second half he wants to scumread mderg, but I'm not really sure. It's quite the salad, but I get the feeling he might be making some important points about the two.
On July 10 2014 10:08 layabout wrote:at page 42 and i can't believe that koshi could head up a wagon kinda don't want to post properly yet but since you insist kush.. Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:On Jualy 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Layabout I find your shitting on mderg's post overly simplistic and just untrue. Look at his reasoning which I quoted. Do you not find that valid? What is scummy about it? kush the very statement that VE was convinced mderg was scum is untrue. If you look at VE's posts around the time he is clearly willing to move to Exo could get behind a forumite lynch and is open to nearly anyone that isn't very active as a potential lynch. Hell look at his vote post: Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: Forumite, I didn't like the reasons he said he was suspicious of Koshi - initially it was because of his fluffy riddle posts at the beginning, and he further went on to say that he "hitched onto" Toad's case on Forumite adding his own "complex reasoning" or whatever. So ultimately that's where his vote is.
And his read on prplhz...like, at first he said like "99% sure" and has described him as confirmed town. And the reasoning he gave is pretty bad - but not one I can really argue with because it's based on a personal metric that may or may not be true.
I want to hear others' thoughts on Forumite. I think ultimately I'd rather wait on him, but I might be convinced to lynch him. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 08 2014 10:48 yamato77 wrote:
This thread is depressing.
VE, I read mderg before I went to sleep and didn't feel all that put off by his filter. What posts make you feel like he's just posting to post?
Also, could you read ObiWan for me? Just that he hasn't posted any opinions of anyone or anything that's happened. Like, the only time he has anything even close to relevant to say, it's in response to people calling him out.
It's mostly a "feels" thing with mderg, but it's a strong "feels" for me. He "feels" scummy to me. I know you love my "feels". Click the nested bit!!mderg says that that isn't "close to a scumread" however, I would say it's a description of scummy behavior making it pretty much "close to a scumread" mderg is either lying or is inattentive. His actions not only fit but match VE's day1 play in nearly every game i have seen him in. VE's vote typically bounces around all over the place. VE is clearly open to a number of lynches and is actively considering other lynche candidate eg corazon. Mderg's point that VE swapped from a hard read to someone who he didn't think was scummy is also totally misrepresentative. mderg is not only adding a throwaway point but one that is not valid If you still aren't convinced about VE give this a read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=VisceraEyes&page=2mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town, not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so. I will likely get onto this later but nothing looked town about obiwan's entrance into the thread and i am surprised it hasn't been jumped on yet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22528115
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On July 11 2014 07:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2014 06:53 Koshi wrote:
Vivax. Tell me about ghost players. I saw that the vengeful spirit can figure out if somebody is a ghost or not, there's not much more that I can say about it. No I meant the kind of ghost players you called thepoofter scum for in World Cup.
I would say mderg fits that profile the most, 2 of his scumreads basically vanished within a short time, leaving only forumite, yet I don't see him acting upon that, only discussing stuff revolving around him.
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On July 11 2014 07:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 07:14 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2014 07:00 Koshi wrote:On July 11 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2014 06:53 Koshi wrote:
Vivax. Tell me about ghost players. I saw that the vengeful spirit can figure out if somebody is a ghost or not, there's not much more that I can say about it. No I meant the kind of ghost players you called thepoofter scum for in World Cup. I would say mderg fits that profile the most, 2 of his scumreads basically vanished within a short time, leaving only forumite, yet I don't see him acting upon that, only discussing stuff revolving around him. Ok. But can you give me the definition of a ghost "player".
A guy who posts a lot without trying to change much about the flow of the game.
Textbook scum.
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On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote:
The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it.
kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch
my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable
furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda"
So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that?
But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue.
Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now.
I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well.
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On July 11 2014 07:31 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 06:56 Vivax wrote:On July 10 2014 11:04 HiroPro wrote:
sup. I read the thread.
anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to. VE, I think this is for you. He doesn't seem all that interested about it now so I would enjoy if you two could make a public discussion about this. He didn't ask you for your reasoning for iamp or anything, just stated he didn't like it and kinda forgot about it to then sheep prplhz on Damdred. Sort this out for the thread to see, thanks. pay a little more attention: Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not going to answer any questions about why I voted iamp in spite of stating preference for lynching lurkers. I had an irrational response to one of his posts I think and someone (I think yamato) made some pretty good points about iamp and then I evaluated the votes for him at the time, and I was like "okay fine whatever" and voted not knowing whether I'd make it back in time to change it.
Can you summarize in your own thoughts why damdred is scum?
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BM is most likely town and Hiro gets scumpoints for trying to lynch him based on a policy.
Plus the timing for Hiro to start defending mderg doesn't make sense cause there have been multiple arguments for him being scum so far.
When does Hiro starts discussing mderg at all? When he switches from BM to another topic.
I'll illustrate what's scummy about all of this.
On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.
Do you:
a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above Explain. Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE.
On July 11 2014 16:41 HiroPro wrote:
To put it into terms you may better understand - for the same reason that layabout said stuff about there not being any notifications when he should have just kept his mouth shut. People think they're being helpful even when they're not.
On July 11 2014 16:43 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.
Do you:
a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above Explain. Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE. Garbo soft defense HiroPro, it's pretty clear that Vivax asked him for current scum reads (hence his use of the present tense), Try again.
On July 11 2014 16:51 HiroPro wrote:
w/e. there's no point in me discussing this with you any further when he should be the one talking about himself. But I think you're seriously mistaken if you think that shows anything, especially when he's not a native english speaker.
Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior?
Timeline:
SlOosh enters: "Don't lynch BM, lynch mderg cause case"
*they discuss why BM is scum or not*
Hiro: "I think BM is scum cause he planned on outing PR cause PR on TL out themselves for no reason. You should know this".
Hiro: "Anyway your case on mderg here looks pretty shit and everything"
SlOosh: "No, your soft defense sux cause bsbs"
Hiro: "Oh well I shouldn't be defending him. So, why is BM town?"
What I find scummy here is the way Hiro changes topics.
The initial topic was BM, it caused attrition between him and SlOosh. Scum don't like attrition.
Hiro figured he wasn't going anywhere with his arguments for lynching BM, so he starts attacking SlOosh's case.
When that doesn't go anywhere, he finds a reason for why he shouldn't do that and goes back to the BM topic.
All of this gives me the feeling that Hiro's real intent wasn't defending mderg, which he could have done a lot earlier while most people were discussing him, but somehow try to discredit SlOosh by trying to find flaws in his mderg case, cause he felt uncomfortable about the resistance SlOosh was giving to his BM push.
If Hiro was really mostly interested into the BM topic, then he wouldn't try to change topic in between, before moving the discussion to BM again and why SlOosh isn't scumreading him.
IE: Hiro is probably mafia for this attempted topic switch.
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