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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 00:39:18
June 30 2014 00:37 GMT
#1761
On June 30 2014 09:36 goodkarma wrote:
Told ya Release was good chance of being scum lol.

Also, policy lynching BH if he ever plays in any game I'm in again.

Fixed that for you.
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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 30 2014 00:41 GMT
#1762
It's like Personality 2 Mafia all over again :/

Ehhh ... I really need a mason or something to keep me grounded.

Rough game to restart mafia, but hopefully will get better.
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
June 30 2014 01:30 GMT
#1763
I am fairly new so my advice doesn't hold the weight of experience behind it.
But I recently read PYP: Insane as well as its postgame here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/235829-pyp-insane-postgame
I saw a lot of similar things to as what Ver wrote here, in particular what sticks out most to me:

On June 21 2011 16:11 Ver wrote:
8) Even if you think someone is mafia, read their posts objectively!!! The most flagrant example of this was when Foolishness completely quit reading Incognito's posts when he started shaping up in day 2, completely missing the gamebreaking case on Ace. Many people also downplayed Dreamflower's major accusation on Ace because they were suspicious of her behavior from early on.


I think this would have helped you a lot slOosh. This sort of thing happens in a lot of games also, see more recently: Detention Mafia w/ Palmar's lynch.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 01:34 GMT
#1764
On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote:
You are an idiot or scum if you can't "see" the scum in mderg's first post. First off saying there is a chance you are only going to contribute one post to day one. This shows his terrible interest in this game. Then he tries to say he votes to prevent mod kill. Id rather him be modkilled than him help lynch someone because he felt a slight scum. You guys must have played so many games of mafia you cannot think logically. You have these rules that you hold so highly. Even if these rules were true you guys cannot even use them right. So assuming they are true they still are no use. And somebody mentioned something about release. If you can't see the scum in his post there is a problem or you are scum.

I cannot believe no one mentioned this aspect of this game. 27nb had the same principles in her posts from the start. Confused, emotional, silly. So has ykz. Cocky , deceiving, focused. We know 27nb was town. If ykz is mafia he is very good at it. Even after the proof that he was wrong or was lying. He perfectly continues his principals after the lynch. Release on the other hand had been inconsistent with his principals. He seems aggressive than passive.
Reactionary than static. I think it should be looked into. I won't be able to post or read until six hours from now. I will look at be (whoever name keeps getting mentioned).

Also koshi seems to be obsessed with me. I am thinking him as third mafia.


i literally called them as the three mafia before day two started. I cant believe you guys did not Vote release at the end.

So many people said my "reads" were bad... that was not the case. And on top of that, at least i did not get mislynched.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 30 2014 01:35 GMT
#1765
On June 30 2014 10:34 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote:
You are an idiot or scum if you can't "see" the scum in mderg's first post. First off saying there is a chance you are only going to contribute one post to day one. This shows his terrible interest in this game. Then he tries to say he votes to prevent mod kill. Id rather him be modkilled than him help lynch someone because he felt a slight scum. You guys must have played so many games of mafia you cannot think logically. You have these rules that you hold so highly. Even if these rules were true you guys cannot even use them right. So assuming they are true they still are no use. And somebody mentioned something about release. If you can't see the scum in his post there is a problem or you are scum.

I cannot believe no one mentioned this aspect of this game. 27nb had the same principles in her posts from the start. Confused, emotional, silly. So has ykz. Cocky , deceiving, focused. We know 27nb was town. If ykz is mafia he is very good at it. Even after the proof that he was wrong or was lying. He perfectly continues his principals after the lynch. Release on the other hand had been inconsistent with his principals. He seems aggressive than passive.
Reactionary than static. I think it should be looked into. I won't be able to post or read until six hours from now. I will look at be (whoever name keeps getting mentioned).

Also koshi seems to be obsessed with me. I am thinking him as third mafia.

And on top of that, at least i did not get mislynched.

The main reason for that was mderg vote switching on you last minute and then flipping scum though. That's what made everyone read town on you.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 30 2014 01:41 GMT
#1766
Also, what matters not is who you say you're reading as scum, but who you actually voted for. Day 1 you were right. Day 2 you were on YKZ over mderg. Day 3 you were on VE over Koshi. Day 4 you were on Lazer over Monkey. You had the correct reads on the start of D2, yet your voting record is voting for 3 townies vs 1 scum.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 01:46 GMT
#1767
Art stop hating on me. Day one I was right. Ok that does not matter. It is a team game. I voted ykz to consolidate not because he was my top scum read, and on top of that, having him out of the way would prob of been beneficial since everyone wasted so much time on him. Day 3 Ve made himself look way to scummy. Day 4 Lazer over Monkey? You mean Lazer over Koshi?( I dont remember 100%) But it probably did not matter since it seemed like most people peaced. It would have been alot better to lynch release over koshi but it still would of been 4v3.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 01:49 GMT
#1768
Another reason I voted Lazer was because even if he was not scum, I thought this town would naturally lynch release and we would not be screwed. Release played this town so hard with his first post but no one even realized how "made up" it was after me pointing out multiple times. All I can say about your play is at least you did not get mislynched.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 01:52:24
June 30 2014 01:51 GMT
#1769
On June 30 2014 10:46 Snickers wrote:
Art stop hating on me. Day one I was right. Ok that does not matter. It is a team game. I voted ykz to consolidate not because he was my top scum read, and on top of that, having him out of the way would prob of been beneficial since everyone wasted so much time on him. Day 3 Ve made himself look way to scummy. Day 4 Lazer over Monkey? You mean Lazer over Koshi?( I dont remember 100%) But it probably did not matter since it seemed like most people peaced. It would have been alot better to lynch release over koshi but it still would of been 4v3.

Point is, you're harping on about how good your reads is but your votes which are the only thing that matter at the end of the day don't line up to it. VE was not too scummy. I saw he was town, which means you could've too. Yeah, I meant Lazer over Koshi and yes it did matter. There was no reason not to lynch Koshi.

My complaint is that you're bragging about having correct reads when you didn't vote according to them, and it was only in one phase of the game. I feel you did not play a good game. You were a potential mislynch target that got saved because of circumstance, and that voted according to mob mentality rather than attempting to push your strongest reads, presuming those three were still your strongest reads. Your influence on town was weak because of it. My annoyance comes from the feeling that you're tooting your own horn a bit too much here.
On June 30 2014 10:49 Snickers wrote:
Another reason I voted Lazer was because even if he was not scum, I thought this town would naturally lynch release and we would not be screwed. Release played this town so hard with his first post but no one even realized how "made up" it was after me pointing out multiple times. All I can say about your play is at least you did not get mislynched.

Are you honestly saying you think you played a better game than me?
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 30 2014 02:06 GMT
#1770
Game has ended, but the rules of being nice to each other live on. Don't try to blame people for something that is a joint work. Be brave enough to admit your mistakes. Be good enough to point out someone else's mistake, but not to ridicule him/her for it. Thanks.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 02:07 GMT
#1771
I know I did. Look at koshi's comment about my game.

Heres the thing. Your wrong about alot of things but you think you are right. It does not matter who you vote for. It matters who you think is scum. I voted YKZ day two because Its a TEAM GAME. I even said in the post I think mderg had a better chance of being scum.

Your logic is insanely flawed. "I saw he was town, which means you could've too." yea ok. I could literally say the vice versa back to you.

SO day one and two I was right. Day three was VE was playing terrible and got mislynched. Day four I lynched Lazer because even if he was not scum, I thought it would for sure get release lynched. Also I was the last person to vote ( I think)
I only could choose from koshi and lazer because its a team game, it is stupid not to consolidate. My vote could have even mattered.(another reason your whole thought process is wrong" So i thought for sure release would of been Lynched. Release played this town so hard day one and I was the only one who continued to stay on him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 30 2014 02:15 GMT
#1772
Taking it to PMs.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 02:17 GMT
#1773
Anyway just wanted to say some nice things. Saying "I think" to seem nicer

27nb I think you played well and did not deserve to be lynched day one.

Good Karma I think you were an intelligent player.

Release I think you scum slipped a lot but I guess you only scum slip things that most people cannot see.

Koshi I think you played a very reactionary game unlike the other two scum. You seem to adapt to situations rather than "stick to your guns"

YKZ I think you played well but I think Release fooled most people into lynching you.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 30 2014 02:45 GMT
#1774
On June 30 2014 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 09:17 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:11 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:08 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I saved myself on N2 you numbnuggets.

I was fully prepared to make a case on how "Artanis must have saved Release" N2. Never cam to that.

My initial read on you was right. Stupid town consensus townreading you leading to me townreading you as well
Did get you from the grave though! PMed this to Kurumi 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
Going with a Koshi/Release scumteam. Honestly hope Koshi is scum more than anything because this'd be a really sad display of his towngame if it is.

Also, is there a scum qt?

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/a7jPbWLJHBhW

Let me one up you. I called Artanis medic on N1.

Hm, what made you think I was doc?
On June 30 2014 09:12 Koshi wrote:
Who did you safe on N1 Artanis?

I saved GK until 30 min before deadline when I switched to SlOosh even though my townread on him was weaker just because I thought he was more likely to get shot.

You attacked me and reconsidered. I felt that a VT would have gone ham and probed for information (like Snickers, who actually turned out to be Detective) for longer than 1 post before changing their mind.

I don't think my role was related to that honestly. I noticed a town consensus against it and felt my read wasn't strong enough to continue, but I might be biased in it. I've changed my opinions a lot this game.

On D1 I decided to go for a different style this time. Usually I just spout all my reads into the thread but I tried asking questions more now to see who had similar thought processes as me. Landed me a townread on GK, but eventually I just fell back into my usual routine after D1

I felt the VE and Lazer lynches were easily avoidable. VE played to his current town meta to a tee and BH should be ashamed of lynching him. Lazer shit townie bricks on D4 whereas Koshi went afk and I can't believe you guys lynched Lazer over Koshi that day.


Yeah my original plan was to fakeclaim that I checked lazer and then 24 hours later said I was faking it and then say the real check was Koshi. I wasn't expecting snickers to claim. Then I was thinking about switching sooner, but then realized town was adamant to lynching lazer (to determine sanity-which some say was unaviodable cause it was most likely true cause numbers of green checks) then I got busy in RL.

mderg broke Chezinu Rule and I missed it - sloosh caught it though. So it still stands. He was first to accuse me/call me scum/scummy.


I really struggled with reaction reading. I guessed you were medic/mafia. I thought snickers was red/blue and koshi red/blue as said in thread. Earlier I thought VE was mafia cause no one was accusing me, so I thought mafia loved me. Sorry VE. After VE died, I thought about Koshi cause of absence/big name rule and then snickers roleclaim/death confirmed. Release... I just didn't read any of his posts.. I didn't read much this game. TY BH tldr chez tier!! HELPED A LOT!!!

Other than that I got bored and trolled a lot.. oh and if you didn't figure it out from me or day posts. The Sheriff was the Kurumi and I was being a rebel.

To bring back an old and forgotten tradition: THANK YOU KURUMI FOR HOSTING!!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 30 2014 02:46 GMT
#1775
Snickers, let's be fair about the situation. Despite saying a few times who the scum team were (and I'm sure that throughout the game, everyone was correct at some point), you have to make convincing cases in order to lynch your suspects. If you actually maintained your reads as strongly as you claim, you would have strongly opposed any non (release/koshi/mderg) lynch and prevented the town candidate from dying; you didn't. This is why you were left alive (pre cop claim) and Artanis was shot twice (besides being suspected medic).
☺
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 30 2014 02:46 GMT
#1776
The prophecy was fulfilled. Day 5 was key. BH the prideful had fallen.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 30 2014 02:49 GMT
#1777
On June 30 2014 11:45 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:17 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:11 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:08 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I saved myself on N2 you numbnuggets.

I was fully prepared to make a case on how "Artanis must have saved Release" N2. Never cam to that.

My initial read on you was right. Stupid town consensus townreading you leading to me townreading you as well
Did get you from the grave though! PMed this to Kurumi 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
Going with a Koshi/Release scumteam. Honestly hope Koshi is scum more than anything because this'd be a really sad display of his towngame if it is.

Also, is there a scum qt?

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/a7jPbWLJHBhW

Let me one up you. I called Artanis medic on N1.

Hm, what made you think I was doc?
On June 30 2014 09:12 Koshi wrote:
Who did you safe on N1 Artanis?

I saved GK until 30 min before deadline when I switched to SlOosh even though my townread on him was weaker just because I thought he was more likely to get shot.

You attacked me and reconsidered. I felt that a VT would have gone ham and probed for information (like Snickers, who actually turned out to be Detective) for longer than 1 post before changing their mind.

I don't think my role was related to that honestly. I noticed a town consensus against it and felt my read wasn't strong enough to continue, but I might be biased in it. I've changed my opinions a lot this game.

On D1 I decided to go for a different style this time. Usually I just spout all my reads into the thread but I tried asking questions more now to see who had similar thought processes as me. Landed me a townread on GK, but eventually I just fell back into my usual routine after D1

I felt the VE and Lazer lynches were easily avoidable. VE played to his current town meta to a tee and BH should be ashamed of lynching him. Lazer shit townie bricks on D4 whereas Koshi went afk and I can't believe you guys lynched Lazer over Koshi that day.


Yeah my original plan was to fakeclaim that I checked lazer and then 24 hours later said I was faking it and then say the real check was Koshi. I wasn't expecting snickers to claim. Then I was thinking about switching sooner, but then realized town was adamant to lynching lazer (to determine sanity-which some say was unaviodable cause it was most likely true cause numbers of green checks) then I got busy in RL.

mderg broke Chezinu Rule and I missed it - sloosh caught it though. So it still stands. He was first to accuse me/call me scum/scummy.


I really struggled with reaction reading. I guessed you were medic/mafia. I thought snickers was red/blue and koshi red/blue as said in thread. Earlier I thought VE was mafia cause no one was accusing me, so I thought mafia loved me. Sorry VE. After VE died, I thought about Koshi cause of absence/big name rule and then snickers roleclaim/death confirmed. Release... I just didn't read any of his posts.. I didn't read much this game. TY BH tldr chez tier!! HELPED A LOT!!!

Other than that I got bored and trolled a lot.. oh and if you didn't figure it out from me or day posts. The Sheriff was the Kurumi and I was being a rebel.

To bring back an old and forgotten tradition: THANK YOU KURUMI FOR HOSTING!!!


oh at the time of fakeclaiming I was suspecting lazer/koshi mafia team. fakecheck on lazer was to test his reaction. initial reaction I thought was town, but then anger part confused me.then snickers. Day 1 and Day 2 I was lost pointing them fingers.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 03:02 GMT
#1778
On June 30 2014 11:46 Release wrote:
Snickers, let's be fair about the situation. Despite saying a few times who the scum team were (and I'm sure that throughout the game, everyone was correct at some point), you have to make convincing cases in order to lynch your suspects. If you actually maintained your reads as strongly as you claim, you would have strongly opposed any non (release/koshi/mderg) lynch and prevented the town candidate from dying; you didn't. This is why you were left alive (pre cop claim) and Artanis was shot twice (besides being suspected medic).


Here are my thoughts. Nobody respected me enough for me to get people to follow me. Probably because this is my first game. I read this town as a bad town after 27nb got mislynched. (I called this before the flop) So I knew I was not going to get people to vote with me. You did so many scummy things that people could not realize for some reason. I gave up after awhile of trying to sway people in a standard fashion. So day one I tried to but did not succeed. Day two, I do not see the whole strongly oppose thing, probably because irl i respect if someone has a different viewpoint than me. I was trying to be a team player and consolidate. I thought "even if YKZ is not scum, having him confirmed town would lead to more productive discussion" I even called this day two when you tried to keep all the discussion of YKZ. Also getting ykz confirmed town would make you look slightly bad. I voted VE because One. I play reactionary, he looked scummy to a lot of people. Two. I wanted to get rid of the mafia that did not vote 27nb day one. Then I voted Lazer because my vote mostly did not matter. I tried to set this town up to kill you but they chose not to for w/e reason.

So again your assuming something which I do not blame you, you have played a lot of mafia games right? I thought that the town team was relatively bad compared to scum so I tried to play according to the situation. I tried to react.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 30 2014 03:04 GMT
#1779
I wonder if anyone knows why I read Chez as confirmed town.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
June 30 2014 03:04 GMT
#1780
Fwiw snickers did a superb job with his role. He gave us three green checks on living players, which is very difficult. If we simply followed his checks we would have won.
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