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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can we please lynch Koshi though? His read post is so bad. Talks about why VE is scum. Stops and goes over to Lazer and talks about how he wants to lynch Lazer, then ends his post with why VE is town based on unflipped associations presuming that Lazer is scum. He hasn't done anything this game other than voting for the right person in mderg. Case on Lazer boils down to "I'm not scum and he pushed me over his other suspects who I also think are town." Is there any reason not to lynch him? ##Vote Koshi Come on... it transitioned into that because I read Lazer his filter. Also, I gave clear scum motivation for what Lazer did. How do you explain that Lazer was always up to date with the thread but didn't comment on mderg/BH? | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
In any case, he didn't write a real case on LM anyways other than "LM didn't explain his vote and LM, like me, didn't vote mderg when it mattered" Let's off VE first. Also VE, don't knock the classics. They're classics for a reason  | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:47 Koshi wrote: Come on... it transitioned into that because I read Lazer his filter. Also, I gave clear scum motivation for what Lazer did. How do you explain that Lazer was always up to date with the thread but didn't comment on mderg/BH? Yeah, and you consider VE town because of your scumread on Lazer even though outside of thinking Lazer is scum, you actually think VE is scummy too. If you think both players are scum there's no reason for you to only consider the option in which Lazer is scum, unless you're incredibly certain of it, which your case really doesn't provide enough information for. Reading through the thread and responding to things that don't require a lot of thought is easier than thinking about cases made and since he indicated he didn't have much time, I don't find it too hard to imagine that he figured there was too much stuff about BH/mderg to process at the time, but since the information about you was limited it was easy to comment on it. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: ... I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e. ##Unvote ##Vote: YKZ There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here. Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote. That makes sense to me. I see that. Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron. So, this vote makes Lazermo town. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Since the moment that VE got under the spotlight he completely stopped giving out reads on any other players but BH (and obviously me. I am the number 1 counterwagon though so no real shocker here). He is spending all his time mocking with BH, telling how much he wants to lynch him or how sad he will be when he gets lynched. This is not what a townie does in this situation... This is what scum does in order to not give out any information. Still willing to lynch Koshi though. Not sure who I'd rather kill at the moment. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote: IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me: There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here. Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote. That makes sense to me. I see that. Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron. So, this vote makes Lazermo town. Release, VisceraEyes, slOosh, Chezinu: you are currently voting Lazermo. I'd like you to tell me why my defense of Lazermo is wrong, or unvote him. If you've already addressed this, please link or quote where it has been addressed. Thanks! | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Read above is my first paragraph @ fake anger Each line goes paragraph by paragraph. Nested quote means to read the nested quote, which I believe is VE's reasoning. afk means it addresses afk, so you should read my paragraph about VE's "fake anger" and afk. First two points are the first two paragraphs after the "let's talk about D3" Well to be fair, you ate dinner for 48 hours. Snickers has had some seemingly convenient afk, which in hindsight is just timing issues. It's not candid, but it is consistent. Not a lack of honesty but of straightforwardness/outrightness. Under more thorough consideration, the change of reasoning is quite suspicious. Yeah I see what you're saying. The sheer ridiculousness of VE's claim makes it sarcastic (or at least questionable before further consideration). You talk about his conveniently being afk and not responding to you.. So I refer you to my paragraph above. - "Also, note that VE was pretending to be mad at me up until he realized it was looking bad, then decided to stop being mad at me just long enough to address the case I made against him. All these convenient afks, fake anger, and convenient "jokes" telling people to stop engaging the thread are all things that VE has tried to brush off, but this coupled with VE's low contribution amount this game (don't look at his filter size-- even though he has 3 pages he has spent a lot of it being afk or pretending to be mad at me) it's basically clear he's scum." Again, it's different but not inconsistent. But, yes it is suspicious for not candid. Responding to last paragraph before ...D2...D3. I felt like the nested quote explained enough. Again, it's consistent, but not candid. First two points=first two paragraphs. Fair point about sloosh. It's not the super opportune vote like the one Mderg made (in fact, I only see Sloosh also voting for you). However in light of his attack on SloOsh in conjunction with his pass on you, it is suspicious. So at this point, his posts make much less sense to me than they once did. ---------------------------- @Lazer Color me unimpressed when I read your posts. Even YKZ, whom I have assumed was mafia through his discussion (but less so at this point), has contributed more meaningfully. I feel that your posting could be more concise and that the amount of posts D3 is not particularly representative of actually contributing to the discussion. But at this stage, I feel that the final 2 remaining scum are almost certainly in VE/Lazer/BH. I know that unflipped associations are bad, but I feel that VE and BH cannot possibly be on the same team. (Does anyone else agree?). This makes me want to lynch Lazer. However, VE's last several posts have been quite useless and he reaffirms his suspicious reasoning for maintaining his vote on YKZ D2. ------------------------------ And @ YKZ's lazermo is town post since I just refreshed. No. His vote doesn't matter. He could do whatever the fuck he wants and Mderg will still get lynched. I feel going any further than to say inconsequential vote ---> not alignment indicative is a stretch and probably WIFOMable. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
But at this stage, I feel that the final 2 remaining scum are almost certainly in VE/Lazer/BH. I know that unflipped associations are bad, but I feel that VE and BH cannot possibly be on the same team. (Does anyone else agree?). I completely disagree. I think both BH/VE are town or scum, with an outside chance of BH being scum and VE town. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 24 2014 06:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I completely disagree. I think both BH/VE are town or scum, with an outside chance of BH being scum and VE town. Both town: You think that they would ignore each other to such a great extent? Both scum: You think that they would create this bus on each other and stick with it for this long? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 24 2014 06:02 Release wrote: Both town: You think that they would ignore each other to such a great extent? Both scum: You think that they would create this bus on each other and stick with it for this long? Both town: What do you mean with ignoring each other? They've been posting a ton about each other. Both scum: Yeah. VE's done it before, see LI where VE and Toad had a bus that would put this one to shame. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 24 2014 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Both town: What do you mean with ignoring each other? They've been posting a ton about each other. Both scum: Yeah. VE's done it before, see LI where VE and Toad had a bus that would put this one to shame. Town: Claiming that the other is lying when one responds other (BH on VE). Claiming that the other is lying/misleading/blatantly wrong when reasons are made (VE on BH). | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote: SNIP How hard can this be. There are still 5 people in the running for scum. BH/Release/Artanis look town. Or shot not be considered for the mderg lynch today. Artanis is a little fucker but who cares. Snickers/VE/Lazermonkey/Chezinu/SloOsh are left. Snickers can be excused due to mderg filter. Very unlikely that he is scum with mderg. Not a good lynch. Chezinu is Chezinu and was on mderg. I guess we have a doc and not a cop so that's unfortunate but even then I wouldn't lynch Chezinu because he isn't harmful to town in any way. He isn't pushing an agenda he is just being around. VE is away on the wrong moments, pushes scum but then doesn't vote scum, can't be tied to anybody in case he flips scum because his reads are all neutral, and is currently just showing activity. Lazermonkey is just trying to get me lynched. Even when his top scumreads were SloOsh and VE he was pushing me the hardest. Look at D2, he just came in to push me while IGNORING the mderg/BH wagons. I am pretty sure that scumtactics were to get BH lynched (who was main candidate back then) and then myself. All these posts indicate that Lazermonkey is actually following the thread. Nowhere it looks like he is lagging behind so he can't give an opinion on Mderg/BH. Clearly it was a choice from Lazermonkey to not comment on it. Why not? Because BH was going to get lynched and Lazermonkey was setting up the next misslynch. That's why. There is enough time between these posts to catch up with the thread. Are you going to believe he just came in once an hour and just looked at my filter and pushes me? Why wouldn't scum be superlazy on D2 with BH playing suicidal? SNIP Yhea, I can't bear this incredible bias. I mean, if you assume I am scum then this sure makes alot of sense. But what if I just was busy? How are these three posts indicative of me being active and reading the thread? I did read your filter, yes, but thats like the only filter I read. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote: IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me: There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here. Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote. That makes sense to me. I see that. Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron. So, this vote makes Lazermo town. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, your vote will still look terrible on VE, and you vote YKZ to do the "oh scum wouldn't do that" maneuver. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, the votes are flying around and it isn't too clear what the votecounts are, so you do it because you think you can save mderg. I mean, there's a lot more scenarios than the ones you display here. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
Artanis did u completely forget about day one lol. So far in this game my reads are better than your reads. Like seriously go through koshi filter and explain why scum would play that. And all jokes aside. Does Lazermonkey really think he did not vote mderg day one. A little lost with my quick reading . | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 24 2014 06:23 Snickers wrote: I thought my reads we're bad a he he. Artanis did u completely forget about day one lol. So far in this game my reads are better than your reads. Like seriously go through koshi filter and explain why scum would play that. And all jokes aside. Does Lazermonkey really think he did not vote mderg day one. A little lost with my quick reading . LOL. I really didn't remember that. Well this makes me look much better, doesn't it? : D | ||
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