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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:28 slOosh wrote: Could you sum up the case on mderg D1 in one sentence? I didn't vote mderg D1 so yhea... Anyway, some form of mix of bad, wishy-washy reads, lurking and unlurking at the wrong moments. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:41 slOosh wrote: Also expecting two special packages, if you know what I mean. Or I guess 3? Like 3 related packages. I loved the last package. It seemed the timer was right on time. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
also ve is burying himself so I am not switching vote. Also koshi is either the worst town in this game or best scum player. If u do not understand why, look at my posts about principles or I'll explain when I have time aka after lynch. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:41 Lazermonkey wrote: I didn't vote mderg D1 so yhea... Anyway, some form of mix of bad, wishy-washy reads, lurking and unlurking at the wrong moments. Right, and how to you defend against that? You don't. It looks bad and that's that. I thought other things in his filter looked good so I defended him. So did Artanis. VE called me out for not addressing it, I offered a dialogue on specific points of interest. No one took me up on it. I was wrong on mderg. How does that make me scum? | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I was absent during the main pushes of her lynch. This is the least active day of mine and this is evident in the thread. I can't push something when I'm not looking at the thread, similarly I can't push /against/ something if I'm not looking at the thread. You call 27nb supertown here, well after the case against her is underway: On June 16 2014 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So while I may or may not share the opinion that "The Kenpachi Rule" actually works or whatever, it's pretty much scientifically proven that you cannot discover the alignment of a player based on whether he is properly applying the tenets of the rule or not. That he's spoken at all makes me not want to lynch YKZ, and I think that bunnies is like supertown based on what she's saying and how she's arguing. I'm more interested in lynching people like BH sitting back and tossing in occasional kindling like the following and are content to sit back and watch it all burn. 8 hours later, you're in the thread (link) 10 hours after that, you're in the thread calling sloosh (who much later would be your rock) scum (link) what's telling though is that 8 hours after, you are (link) in the thread and have time to, and I quote: So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning... And this is about 12 hours out from the deadline when 27nb is lynched. Look at this big post you wrote (then uwnrote) and your picking apart of reasoning, but nothing to stop the lynch on the supertown? Not even a word? I give you credit for asking people about mderg, but you never follow it up to call people out or pick apart reasoning, and you stand by and let your supertown read get lynched. When you are asked about it, you claim you weren't around, but let's be real here: you wrote a big post, then didn't post it, according to you, and picked apart reasoning, according to you, so clearly you had town. You claimed you espoused a clear townread of the 27nb wagon (link) but you clearly didn't advocate it. And yet here you are to pick up towncred when your townread dies, eh? and you say that your absence didn't cause a mislynch on its own (link) and it's true you made a decent mderg wagon (not enough to actually get him lynched, but still). However, you never weighed in on 27nb. You made a supoertown read on her early in the day, then ignored her as she got lynched. Yes, I lynched her and was wrong. But you got her alignment right, and did nothing to save her, and she flipped and proved you right. And you were afk, but had time to write a huge post, and never posted it. How convenient for you; or perhaps more likely you're scum. On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2) There's followup. I give reasoning for thinking he's susupicious (you may not like the amount, but it's there) and I ask a couple of times where votes are/why people aren't voting. Pretty standard "I don't have time to actually push here, but I think you should be lynching X" stuff D1. On D2, I make a case (which Snickers will tell you is his case, but I made it not even knowing Snickers was SUSPICIOUS of mderg) and yes, I vote for BH. But my active, stated stance is "I like both of these lynches". That is explicit in my posts, that's the active stance I take. It's not that I don't WANT to make a choice between them, it's that I don't have to because I think they both scum. You SAY you're fine with both lynches, but when your explanation for voting me over mderg goes away, you still vote for me. And you also conveniently get mad and afk at the critical time. You can make all the noise you want about how you wanted to vote for mderg, but when it comes down to it, you didn't vote mderg, and your lack of voting does not make sense. On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 3) This is true, and unless you think BH is like supertown (lol) then I don't know what the problem is. Ultimately your case boils down to you don't like my playstyle, which is NOT news, we've had friction before I think. However if you're on my team this game, you should really move your vote off me and onto BH. Not gonna happen for anyone here, VE. If you guys want to check out a more fleshed-out case about VE's lack of consistency on the underlying reasons for his vote, and his convenient-for-him afking and rage, check out my case here: (link) | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
Case is clear and four sentences | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:45 YouKnowZhou wrote: You call 27nb supertown here, well after the case against her is underway: 8 hours later, you're in the thread (link) 10 hours after that, you're in the thread calling sloosh (who much later would be your rock) scum (link) what's telling though is that 8 hours after, you are (link) in the thread and have time to, and I quote: And this is about 12 hours out from the deadline when 27nb is lynched. Look at this big post you wrote (then uwnrote) and your picking apart of reasoning, but nothing to stop the lynch on the supertown? Not even a word? I give you credit for asking people about mderg, but you never follow it up to call people out or pick apart reasoning, and you stand by and let your supertown read get lynched. When you are asked about it, you claim you weren't around, but let's be real here: you wrote a big post, then didn't post it, according to you, and picked apart reasoning, according to you, so clearly you had town. You claimed you espoused a clear townread of the 27nb wagon (link) but you clearly didn't advocate it. And yet here you are to pick up towncred when your townread dies, eh? and you say that your absence didn't cause a mislynch on its own (link) and it's true you made a decent mderg wagon (not enough to actually get him lynched, but still). However, you never weighed in on 27nb. You made a supoertown read on her early in the day, then ignored her as she got lynched. Yes, I lynched her and was wrong. But you got her alignment right, and did nothing to save her, and she flipped and proved you right. And you were afk, but had time to write a huge post, and never posted it. How convenient for you; or perhaps more likely you're scum. You SAY you're fine with both lynches, but when your explanation for voting me over mderg goes away, you still vote for me. And you also conveniently get mad and afk at the critical time. You can make all the noise you want about how you wanted to vote for mderg, but when it comes down to it, you didn't vote mderg, and your lack of voting does not make sense. Not gonna happen for anyone here, VE. If you guys want to check out a more fleshed-out case about VE's lack of consistency on the underlying reasons for his vote, and his convenient-for-him afking and rage, check out my case here: (link) *would insert LOL DID NOT READ meme here if allowed by rules* | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote: I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi. He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time. All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi. Thank you for your considerations. Look at all the pushing Koshi did on mderg D2... Owait. Koshi didn't do shit to get mderg lynched and went away about 3 hours before lynch. At that point mderg wasn't the leading candidate at all. Once he get back it was only 17 minutes left untill lynch. Changing his vote at that point would have looked increadibly bad. I do consider the fact he was on mderg. It makes him look a little bit better. Like I explained, however, it is very easy to explain his actions from scum PoV. Also the Koshi wagon is way different then your wagon. Comparing them is pretty shit. | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
Vote Count - Day 3: Lazermonkey (4): Release, VisceraEyes, slOosh, Chezinu - Unvotes (1): Koshi VisceraEyes (3): YouKnowZhou, Snickers, Koshi - Unvotes (2): Lazermonkey, Chezinu Koshi (1): Lazermonkey - Unvotes (1): Artanis[Xp] YouKnowZhou (0) - Unvotes (2): VisceraEyes, slOosh Currently Not Voting (1): Artanis[Xp] Currently Lazermonkey is set to be lynched with 4 votes! Day will end in Remember: Voting is mandatory. You can find the spreadsheet to the game here. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:44 Snickers wrote: Lol lazer lying he voted mderg day one. also ve is burying himself so I am not switching vote. Also koshi is either the worst town in this game or best scum player. If u do not understand why, look at my posts about principles or I'll explain when I have time aka after lynch. I did midday but then changed my vote. I thought it was pretty obvious that that was what I meant... | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 24 2014 01:52 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) While this is true, it doesn't make me scum nor would I spend my posts doing this if I were scum. WIFOM or whatever, but I'm just sayin. 2) I don't think coming in and poking fun at the way BH is reacting to things a "big attempt". Basically it was just me coming into the thread and reaffirming that I was on the right lynch. I never made ANY attempt to pull votes OFF mderg, which is the tack you have to think I was going for, but that's not what I did and that's not the effect of my "push" on BH. I made it clear that I wanted to lynch both of them. 3) Okay I'll disregard because subjective. LM if you're town you REALLY have to not vote for me here. I don't know if BH is scum, but I DO know that he's wrong about me. I'm town, and I THINK BH is scum. If I'm wrong whatever, that's fine. But I KNOW FOR A FACT that he's wrong about me and you should not lynch me. 2) you didn't just "come in and poke fun". You were in the thread half an hour before (link) and two hours before (link) you decided to make this post and AFK until the deadline: On June 21 2014 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you care? I'm too stupid to be reasoned with. It's obvious you were available, and now that your'e claiming that your anger was "poking fun", I don't get why you happened to just afk until right before the deadline, unless of course you are scum. Your explanation doesnt' make sense, and your claim that you just dropped by the thread is a lie, you had been in the thread for some time when you made that post. In fact, you posted at the same time as I made the post you responded to, then waited, then made the angry post, then afked, if we want to be clear about the timeline. On June 24 2014 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote: YKZ, I skimmed through your filter very fast but couldn't find what I was looking for. What do you think about Release? You mention him and talk with him alot. You seem to disagree with alot of his opinions. Do you think he is scum or just bad? Release is being annoyingly difficult to interact with. He's incoherent and it's not clear what he's talking about. I'm not gonna let this stop me from interacting with him. He made some nicer posts earlier ( case on snicks, I believe, that I thought revealed a good town though process) that make me unwilling to lynch him unless he continues to prove difficult to interact with. The fact that when directly called out, he responds to me, however poorly formatted that response may be, indicates to me that he's at least tryint to engage with people this game. I'm unwilling to lynch him today. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:44 slOosh wrote: Right, and how to you defend against that? You don't. It looks bad and that's that. I thought other things in his filter looked good so I defended him. So did Artanis. VE called me out for not addressing it, I offered a dialogue on specific points of interest. No one took me up on it. I was wrong on mderg. How does that make me scum? I was also wrong on mderg, I defended him both D1 and D2. This makes me look scummy. If you don't think that defending scum and voting town over scum makes you look scummy then I don't know what does. It makes me look scummy. It makes Artanis look scummy. It makes you look scummy. Difference is, Artanis play overall makes me think he is town. I know I am town because of my PM. Your overall play leads me to believe that you are scum. The fact that voted town over scum is a part of that read for sure but not all of it. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Still town BH. You're STILL wrong. <3 This is not a reasonable defense. Calling oneself town is not convincing. Saying things like "I know that I'm town, so we shouldn't lynch me" (which you're doing a soft version of here in the thread) is meaningless. The fact that people find it meaningful is annoying. On June 24 2014 04:06 slOosh wrote: So I've given YKZ's case an honest read. If my understanding is correct, this is what it is distilled down: - VE said his preference for YKZ over mderg was based on what the wagons looked like. Namely town reads (slOosh, Release) on YKZ, not town reads (Snickers and YKZ) on mderg - Towards the lynch deadline, a couple of votes shuffled around, such that Release and Snickers switched wagons - VE stayed on mderg Is a correct interpretation of what you are saying? On June 24 2014 04:10 slOosh wrote: Right, in which case I find the case quite weak. He was ok with both, and he used the people on the wagon as tiebreakers. Town could do that, scum could pretend to do that as town. Null. This is one of a few parts of the case, but remember, VE didn't just stay on mderg, he then changed his reasoning for staying on mderg. If he said "eh, with 1 scum and 1 town on each wagon, I'm gonna go with my own judgement and vote YKZ, I think he's scum for reason X" there would be no case. Instead, he gave no explanation, and when called out for it, he said "oh, the only one of those reads I cared about was sloosh, sloosh is my rock". VE wanted a reason to not vote for his scumbuddy besides "I think YKZ is scum", and he wanted something that would SOUND like he was being consistent, so he continued with his "I'm working off of a townread voting pattern" solution but only for Sloosh. The fact that he felt a need to retroactively change the reason for his vote indicates to me that he's scum. Also, his fake anger and afk, and his non-defense of 27nb both factor into this. Think about it, of all the things I said, me reaching out to other players and being reasonable is possibly the least incendiary thing I've ever said in any game ever. I said that I accepted death, and that I wanted to leave something behind when I die, and VE responded by faking anger and afking until right before deadline. This is not a real anger, it's a well-timed anger (and he was not, as he said, just poking into the thread-- he had been posting earlier, when I made the post that addressed him) designed to prevent him from looking bad. It looks like it may have even worked on you guys. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Look at how he tries to get the lynch off a townie and instead onto scum! SO SCUMMY!!! | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 24 2014 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: So I think there's at least one mafia between me, Lazermonkey and Snickers because we all WERE on mderg on D1 and WERE NOT on mderg D2. This is a very thoughtful point and is an indication that VE may in fact be town. On June 24 2014 05:00 Snickers wrote: So whatever you guys do,make sure to consolidate. Also anybody that has voted Lazermonkey since the beginning really look at how ve is reacting to pressure. I'm paying close attention. It's worth noting that VE seems to only vote me during times when it seems I might get lynched by the natural flow of votes, and when he meets the staunch resistance of the fact that (in my opinion at least) I'm fairly obviously town, off he goes. VE has spent this day looking for an easy wagon, and now he found one in lazermo. The reasoning he gave behind the vote is rock solid, though, so what I'm going to do now is go read up on lazermo and give my opinion. Let me know if you guys have any questions for me. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes look at how concerned he is that he's going to die. LOL Look at how he tries to get the lynch off a townie and instead onto scum! SO SCUMMY!!! You've made 4 or 5 posts now basically saying "I personally know I am town, so don't lynch me" and that makes me much more comfortable in my vote on you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 24 2014 05:04 YouKnowZhou wrote: You've made 4 or 5 posts now basically saying "I personally know I am town, so don't lynch me" and that makes me much more comfortable in my vote on you. *another candidate for illegal memes* | ||
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