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On June 24 2014 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I agree that VE sounds pretty townie, but it's lacking in capslock. Capslock is VE's town seal. Then the questions is: who are you willing to lynch instead? Have you looked into SlOosh/Koshi?
I really don't know right now. My reads tend to be shaped throughout all the interactions in the game but it feels like everyone's suspecting everyone right now which really messes up my compass of where to look. There's so much fluff and non-alignment related things filling up conversation that it's hard to motivate myself to read through it critically.
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VE any chance you can give us more about your reads on the players in this gmae? The only thing you said in your last 3 post is thqt you are town. scum shows;activity, tozn gives reads;
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On June 24 2014 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 24 2014 03:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I agree that VE sounds pretty townie, but it's lacking in capslock. Capslock is VE's town seal. Then the questions is: who are you willing to lynch instead? Have you looked into SlOosh/Koshi? I really don't know right now. My reads tend to be shaped throughout all the interactions in the game but it feels like everyone's suspecting everyone right now which really messes up my compass of where to look. There's so much fluff and non-alignment related things filling up conversation that it's hard to motivate myself to read through it critically.
Reading through everything is unnecessary though. But I think both SlOosh and Koshi are realistic lynches, a decent amount of people have expressed that they are suspcious in some way, shape or form of these two.
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Artanis do you think these latest post from VE are townie? For me they are null at best.
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On June 23 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
BH literally mever puts this much effort into games as town.
Ninight.
Unless you're trying to make a meta case against me for being pro-town, I don't see where this is going.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
@"fake anger"
I think it's more believable that your arrogance was a play than his fake anger. When you make claims of grandeur, you imply that you will not listen to others' reasons, which is exactly what you did on day 1. It's more likely that you wanted to waste time and cause VE to appear more suspicious than he actually is.
since first p.graph in quote addresses afk, read above.
Of course it's believable that my arroganice is anti-town and his anger was legit, but look at it this way: When push comes to shove, I'm always here, asking questions, pushing my cases, interacting with people, and pushing the thread forward. The fact of the matter is, my arrogance, however annoying it might be, has never inhibited my ability to push my reads, be available and helpful during lynches, or make sure that in the event of my death town has all the tools it needs to win. VE, on the other hand, conveniently only gets mad when it serves him (ie, to afk during the mderg vs BH lynch right after I return to the thread and start being helpful). Note that as soon as it's night time and no longer useful for him to be mad, it goes away, until I make a case against him again and he starts all this fake frustration that people view as townie. His emotions are literally always the most useful for his current purpose (lurk, not lurk, etc).
Which paragraph in the quote? You say "Read above" but I am having trouble seeing what you refer to. Could you post a link or a quote so that I know what you are talking about, please?
I'm not sure what you're referring to in this section below:
can you please link or qutoe what you're responding to?
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
@ 2nd: Don't know why he would include the part about you.
The nested quote doesn't but the quote does? Even if you're talking about the nested quote, he agrees with himself and his statements are not contradictory. I do concede that the imcompleteness of the nested quote implicates VE for not being candid, but it's a stretch to say mafia for this.
You say that VE is "not being candid" (again, not sure what your'e talking about here) but that it's a stretch for mafia to say this. I'd say that lack of honesty is more of a stretch for a townie.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
Sloosh rock? Yeah it's suspicious but it still sounds like his reasoning is the nested quote. He only mentioned me and sloosh in response to your question, which seems definitely secondary to his original reason.
It SOUNDS like his reasoning in the nested quote, but look. His reasoning originally was based on 4 reads. He didn't say anything about sloosh being special or "his rock" until I pointed out that 2 of his reads moved-- and then he CHANGES his explanation from "I think these 2 guys are scum and these 2 guys are town" to "sloosh is the only read that matters". Clearly, his vote didn't come from his explanation, but the other way around: he needed an explanation to justify his vote, so he changed his explanation. Don't you see this? Town makes votes based on explanation, scum makes a vote, then makes an explanation to justify it. VE's explanation no longer made sense so he made a new one, something that SOUNDS like the old one so peopel don't notice but is different enough to justify a vote on me.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
Sarcasm? It's a stretch to say it's serious. Town necessarily should be included in discussion. It is direct contradiction, and no one should (and didn't) agree without question.
Why is it a stretch? There's literally nothing in there to indicate it's sarcastic. Why is the second part (don't post any more, or you're scum) sarcastic, but not the first part (your posting makes you look townie)? Can you explain what makes part of VE's sentence sarcastic and the other part not? Look, it wasn't like he ended the sentence with a bunch of exclam points or a LOOOOL or something. He said it absolutely straight, and this is the internet. You're really tying yourself into a knot to say that this is a stretch.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
afk. Read above.
Not sure what your'e referring to here. Can you quote or link?
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
vigi sounds like sarcasm, especially "stupid and scummy" = emulating YKZ. Vigi cannot possibly react quickly enough to actually do so. The point is that the Vigi thing CANT be a real call fora v igi shot. The WHOLE POINT is that the vigi cannot react quickly enough to do so. That being said, this is a super minor point in the case.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
@next paragraph: read my sloosh rock paragraph. Again, suspicious yes. But it sounds more like he was led into this by you, not alone.
He wasn't LED into it by me, I asked him a direct question, like I've asked a ton of people in this game, and responded to it by retroactively changing his explanation for why he voted me. Remember, he had a different explanation, and when I proved that wrong, he made up a new one. If Sloosh was really his rock, he'd have said so the first time. He didnt.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
nested quote...
D3 for referece----------------------
I don't understand this part of your post.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:
first two points OK. But if he gives you a pass, means that he suspects Sloosh more. I've been passing on you as long as you discuss stuff. A pass =\= townread.
Not sure what your'e referring to with "first two points", but how could he possibly suspect Sloosh, who is his "rock"? Of course, it's plausible his reads have evolved and sloosh is no longer a townrread for him, but note he is now voting me along with sloosh, despite during D2 seeming to care a lot about who was on what wagon.
On June 23 2014 16:12 Release wrote:The point about chez is understandable. Chez writes hidden messages. Not too hard for Chez to reveal the meaning of his messages, but VE wants more information? Understandable. this precedes this Consistent enough. I agree that the second part is rather useless. Attack on sloosh, seems to defend you as a corollary. His pass on you expired?
Or he got tired of waiting to see which way the wind was blowing, saw some votes on me, and decided he could slip a vote in.
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YKZ, I skimmed through your filter very fast but couldn't find what I was looking for.
What do you think about Release? You mention him and talk with him alot. You seem to disagree with alot of his opinions. Do you think he is scum or just bad?
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On June 23 2014 15:20 Snickers wrote:
Release and YKZ if you are still around. What do you make of the day one posts. Sloosh highlighted the alignment of players. I do not think all of mafia would of been on 27nb. So i think it is very likely that, not to call you out but release lazermonkey or ve is scum. So it is obvious i think Ve is the most likely out of the mentioned three. Release is most likely not. As with lazermonkey, I read his filter and I thought it looked townie, somebody just mentioned he was playing well day one then dropped off day two or vice versa.
So you most def do not want me to harp VE. If you have not yet, look at my post where I comment on where mderg says "honestly". I think mderg slipped so much with words it may have clued us in on other scum.
Here's my VCA for the end of D1. I've highlighed our 3 flips that we'd have, which is 27nb and gk for town, and mderg for scum.
D1 final votecount
27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma
YouKnowZhou (1): Release
mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey
Two big wagons. One on a town, one on a scum. The wagons are 3 votes apart, so with 2 or 3 scum we can expect they have the option to split their votes rather than all vote 27nb to protect mderg. It's worth noting that the gk shot is suggestive that scum wasn't too worried about mderg during N1. If the scumteam was all on 27nb (say there are 3 scum) then they would imo be worried about mderg and be less likely shoot a big mderg defender, gk. This would be because they'd see that mderg has basically half of the town's votes on him and only scum voting could save him. if they had 1 or 2 votes on the mderg wagon, they see it as scum-driven and are not worried about mderg getting lynched d2 so they shoot gk n1.
All this, however, is only in probabilities, not absolutes. I do not typically consider VCA to be a major component of my cases, and it's certainly not the kind of thing to convince me VE is scuml; my case against VE is here: (link). However, if this is the kind of thing you like (VCA and nk speculation), you can infer from the gk kill that scum is probably not concerned too much with shooting people killing mderg, which means there probably were not 4 townies voting mderg, which means VE is more likely to be scum.
But seriously though, read my case (link)
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On June 24 2014 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 24 2014 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 24 2014 03:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I agree that VE sounds pretty townie, but it's lacking in capslock. Capslock is VE's town seal. Then the questions is: who are you willing to lynch instead? Have you looked into SlOosh/Koshi? I really don't know right now. My reads tend to be shaped throughout all the interactions in the game but it feels like everyone's suspecting everyone right now which really messes up my compass of where to look. There's so much fluff and non-alignment related things filling up conversation that it's hard to motivate myself to read through it critically. Reading through everything is unnecessary though. But I think both SlOosh and Koshi are realistic lynches, a decent amount of people have expressed that they are suspcious in some way, shape or form of these two.
Not everything, but I need to go through some filters. The problem is that the cases people make are filled with things that aren't alignment indicative which makes them a real pain to sift through. I agree that both of them are realistic lynches. The problem is that there are many realistic lynches today: BH, VE, Koshi, SlOosh and Lazer all seem to be realistic candidates, and my reads are constantly shifting with every post. I like the questions that you're asking though, they're helping me in any case.
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Still town BH. You're STILL wrong. <3
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I would lynch slOosh today maybe. He's fallen off dramatically for me, and frankly BH pushing this hard is really impressive if he's scum. And I can't even recall ever being impressed by BH's play so meh.
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So I've given YKZ's case an honest read.
If my understanding is correct, this is what it is distilled down:
- VE said his preference for YKZ over mderg was based on what the wagons looked like. Namely town reads (slOosh, Release) on YKZ, not town reads (Snickers and YKZ) on mderg
- Towards the lynch deadline, a couple of votes shuffled around, such that Release and Snickers switched wagons
- VE stayed on mderg
Is a correct interpretation of what you are saying?
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* - VE stayed on YKZ
But yeah that's pretty much what he's saying.
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Right, in which case I find the case quite weak. He was ok with both, and he used the people on the wagon as tiebreakers. Town could do that, scum could pretend to do that as town. Null.
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On June 18 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example. On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies So his logic is something like this: 1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum. 2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning). 3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative. 4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense. Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon? This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here. ##Unvote My logic was different. I never said that they cannot both be scum. I also didn´t point out several things out that were alignment unindicative, it was one point made by YKZ that I don´t think is actually scummy. The things I didn´t like about her were the focus on the "scumslip" by YKZ, the thing about Release and townreading Artanis. Clearly more things that I think are scummy than things not alignment indicative. The thing(s) I pointed out that weren´t alignment indicative were points brought up by YKZ which I didn´t really agree with. That´s the reason for bringing it up. I think you´re "defending" me for the wrong reasons.
This makes me lean town on Lazer. This really looks like something scum would never say to scum.
From mderg's filter I can't really see VE as scum being a thing either. When scum makes a case on scum, it's generally to shit up the thread or if they think scum will fall anyway. No chaos was caused by the case, VE didn't really try to claim any cred from it and it just faded away.
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So you are left with something like YKZ, slOosh, Koshi and maybe Chez?
Let's lynch YKZ.
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Nah, I want to lynch the Kosher.
On June 24 2014 03:25 Koshi wrote:
VE any chance you can give us more about your reads on the players in this gmae? The only thing you said in your last 3 post is thqt you are town. scum shows;activity, tozn gives reads;
This post is really bad.
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BH has trapped himself if he's mafia - because he's pushed for so hard and so long on me for so little that when I flip it IS going to look like agenda pushing and he'll be hard pressed to come back from it. My guess is he'll just disappear into the night, but one thing is for certain - regardless of his alignment he's not going to die in the night.
Like everyone who is so certain I'm scum is wrong, and I can't tell which of them are scummy because they're all scummy to me and they all can't be mafia because we've killed one mafia. My suggestion is that if you're town and you care about this game, try and figure out which of the pushers of VE are mafia. There's CERTAINLY one among them, and there's almost certainly one on my side of things if there are two remaining. That's what I think is going on here, and we'll see how that shakes out post-game.
On June 18 2014 09:02 Kurumi wrote:Night 1 The People's Committee has decided. 27ninjabunnies had a short walk with the Sheriff, confessing her sins. Burning dolls, stealing change from the laundromats, eating pie before it was cool. Nothing bad. Was it all? + Show Spoiler +27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie has died to lynch!Final Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma YouKnowZhou (1): Release mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey Currently Not Voting (0): None!
27ninjabunnies is lynched with 7 votes!
On June 21 2014 09:00 Kurumi wrote:Night 2 The People's Committee was a very hot place today. The evidence seemed to be daunting on couple of the villagers, but consensus was hard to reach. The rules were clear for every person in the room. Kill so we have a chance before they kill us. The two candidates were both very scared of the verdict. One of them had that fear fulfilled and changed into true terror. It was mderg. He left the room with The Sheriff. After couple of minutes and most likely mderg begging for his life a shot pierced the village. + Show Spoiler +mderg the Mafia Goon was lynched! Final vote tally mderg (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou, Chezinu - Unvotes (1): Snickers YouKnowZhou (5): slOosh, VisceraEyes, Snickers, mderg, Lazermonkey - Unvotes (2): Release, Artanis[Xp] VisceraEyes (0) - Unvotes (3): Chezinu, mderg, Lazermonkey Koshi (0) - Unvotes (2): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonkey Snickers (0) - Unvotes (4): Chezinu, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou mderg was first to 5 and so was lynched.
So I think there's at least one mafia between me, Lazermonkey and Snickers because we all WERE on mderg on D1 and WERE NOT on mderg D2. Of everyone, I think it's probably LM because Snickers' case on me, while wrong, doesn't feel like effort scum put into trying to get a mislynch. LM is skating, sheeped the vote onto me and I think he's mafia here.
##Unvote
##Vote: Lazermonkey
Everyone voting for me should really just stop and vote for Lazermonkey or Snickers. I prefer Lazermonkey. BH if scum can wait. I'm not even reading his shit anymore because it's all nonsense and wrong.
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Snickers cannot possibly be mafia because mderg delurked to vote for him to save himself when Snickers had taken a lot less heat than mderg until that point. I don't like a Lazermonkey lynch either.
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Then lynch BH Artanis, but you have to vote for someone that a bunch of people can agree on that ISN'T ME if you want to lynch mafia.
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Lewut. Okay.
The reason you think I'm scum is bad. Just sayin'
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