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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 23 2014 19:23 GMT
#1021
On June 24 2014 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Nah, I want to lynch the Kosher.
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 03:25 Koshi wrote:
VE any chance you can give us more about your reads on the players in this gmae? The only thing you said in your last 3 post is thqt you are town. scum shows;activity, tozn gives reads;

This post is really bad.

No, it is actually 100% truth.
I had a good night of sleep.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:24 GMT
#1022
Lazer, in 1 sentence, why am I scum?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 19:25 GMT
#1023
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 19:25 GMT
#1024
On June 24 2014 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Snickers cannot possibly be mafia because mderg delurked to vote for him to save himself when Snickers had taken a lot less heat than mderg until that point. I don't like a Lazermonkey lynch either.

This makes alot of sense actually. Artanis is giving them pr0-reads atm.

Also, host forgive me for posting twice in a short amount of time :D.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 19:26 GMT
#1025
On June 24 2014 04:24 slOosh wrote:
Lazer, in 1 sentence, why am I scum?

Short version:

Pushed all the wrong wagons, defended mderg for quite unclear reasons.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:26 GMT
#1026
On June 24 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?

I'm opposed because his read on Lazer's D2 apathy was spot on. I am planning on dialoguing with Lazermonkey right now to see what's going on here.

Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 19:28 GMT
#1027
Classic Koshi-style.

Only unlurks to defend himself. Gentlemen, shall we?

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 23 2014 19:28 GMT
#1028
How are you people even considering lynching me?
I had a good night of sleep.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:28 GMT
#1029
On June 24 2014 04:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:24 slOosh wrote:
Lazer, in 1 sentence, why am I scum?

Short version:

Pushed all the wrong wagons, defended mderg for quite unclear reasons.

Could you sum up the case on mderg D1 in one sentence?
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 23 2014 19:30 GMT
#1030
On June 24 2014 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 15:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 23 2014 15:24 Snickers wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:03 Snickers wrote:
.... I specifically said what makes him scum.

4 lines? Lol I would say that is a weak case when we are 45 pages into the game.

If you really want four lines here it is.

Ve has multiple times taken credit for things he has not done and has not pushed the thread forward with his own original posts. Also his interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town.


Also YKZ any thoughts on this? I understand if you do not want to read my unreadable post, so this is a bit more friendly.


Here are my thoughts.

VE has deffo lied about his willingness to lynch mderg, and his reasons for doing so. The fact that he has taken credit for things is supremely annoying given how unhelpful he has been this game, but is not on its own imo indicative of scum. I agree that he has not driven / led the game like he has the potential to as a town player. He has carefully opted out of interactions with a player like me with well-timed "afks" and "anger" and thus has not stepped into a position of leadership as much as you would expect of him. The fake anger was also broken off as soon as it was clear it was no longer useful to him and making him look bad. The extra helpfulness is not in and of itself a towntell imo since he's not using that co-operation with me to really do anything. Where is he ever asking for my input on anything? In a universe where VE was town, even if he thinks I'm scum he'd try to keep me talking about what he wanted to talk about (as many people do; everyone asks me questions) and try to learn more about my motivations.

Lastly, it's obvious VE didn't actually want to vote mderg. His reasons about "who's on what wagon" obviously broke down, then he post-hoc rationalized that "sloosh was his rock" which is not the explanation he gave before.

Have you read VE in recent games? He really doesn't step up to this leadership position you expect of him anymore. He plays a lot more passive than he has in the past. I think the reason he wanted to lynch you over mderg is definitely fishy, but I can imagine a town VE just being sick of you. You did play a very antagonistic game earlier on. That said, I can also easily see the scum motivation and it's definitely a real option.

The amount of people that want to lynch VE gives me pause. Need to re-eval but brain is not working.


If what you say about VE's leadership potential is true, then I suppose that part of my case doesn't add up. However, it's worth noting that VE's changing reasons for his vote for me and his "anger" towards me are both superbly timed if his goal was to not help town and have a good excuse for doing so. Yes, it's imaginable that town VE was just being sick of me. In fact, I would expect scum VE to only ever feign anger in a game when town VE would imaginably be sick of me. Whatever I may say about myself, VE is a perfectly competent player. When he's scum, you're not gonna find him like, making huge mistakes and doing vastly scummy things. He's not gonna be angry at me for literally no reason. He'll only do it when he has a reason, but he'll do it strategically, to help himself. This is part of the point: he got mad and afked right when I came back into the thread and started asking earnest, friendly questions; I said that I accepted being lynched and wanted to have a discussion before I flipped, and he responded by swearing at me. If I came back and said "you guys all suck, I'm the best, bow down before me" then sure, the anger is believable. But I came back to help, was being helpful, and VE just happened to get angry and "Ragequit" the thread from when I came back to moments before the lynch.

Convenient, explainable by potential town motivation, and super unhelpful to town. It's an amazing play for scum VE, and honestly it's still not 100% clear that I'll be able to lynch him for it. It was superbly executed, and though like any well done scum play there's lots of niggling things that dont' make sense to a townie, but are hard to pin down. I promise you that scum VE will not typically look like obvscum. The best you'll ever be able to say about scum VE (when he's having a good game) is that yeah, he doesn't look super town, but you don't think he's the best lynch choice right now. Yeah, what he said makes a lot of sense for scum to say, but you could see town saying it. Yeah, he's scummy, but you dont' want to lynch him. He'll have an off game or two where he gets easily lynched as scum; we all do. But typically, a scum VE is not easily caught. This is not an easy catch. But it's a catch.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 19:30 GMT
#1031
On June 24 2014 04:28 Koshi wrote:
How are you people even considering lynching me?

You're sheeping BH who is confirmed bad at this game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:32 GMT
#1032
Additionally, the point YKZ just made can be applied to himself as well.

Except I do want to lynch him :O
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 23 2014 19:32 GMT
#1033
On June 24 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:28 Koshi wrote:
How are you people even considering lynching me?

You're sheeping BH who is confirmed bad at this game.

Yet he is confirmed town that lynched scum and you aren't and didn't.
I had a good night of sleep.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
June 23 2014 19:34 GMT
#1034
On June 24 2014 04:26 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?

I'm opposed because his read on Lazer's D2 apathy was spot on. I am planning on dialoguing with Lazermonkey right now to see what's going on here.


I'm just saying this in case you and everyone else don't bother to check my filter accordingly: I did say that I was going to be very busy for 2-3 days before I was busy.

I'm not denying that my activity was poor as fuck during D2, I'm not denying that my reads were poor. I do know that I could've faked it all if I was scum. Try to keep what I said in mind before you vote me ONLY for sucking on D2 though. Feel free to vote me for other reasons though.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 19:36 GMT
#1035
On June 24 2014 04:32 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:28 Koshi wrote:
How are you people even considering lynching me?

You're sheeping BH who is confirmed bad at this game.

Yet he is confirmed town that lynched scum and you aren't and didn't.

Both of these observations are your opinions, not facts. I made a case on mderg and in my opinion I DID contribute to lynching scum D2. And I think BH is about as far from confirmed town as one can be. So clearly our opinions wildly differ on the state of the game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:36 GMT
#1036
I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi.

He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time.

All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi.

Thank you for your considerations.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#1037
On June 24 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi.

He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time.

All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi.

Thank you for your considerations.

So help a brotha out and vote for LM so we can maybe lynch scum today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:39 GMT
#1038
On June 24 2014 04:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:26 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?

I'm opposed because his read on Lazer's D2 apathy was spot on. I am planning on dialoguing with Lazermonkey right now to see what's going on here.


I'm just saying this in case you and everyone else don't bother to check my filter accordingly: I did say that I was going to be very busy for 2-3 days before I was busy.

I'm not denying that my activity was poor as fuck during D2, I'm not denying that my reads were poor. I do know that I could've faked it all if I was scum. Try to keep what I said in mind before you vote me ONLY for sucking on D2 though. Feel free to vote me for other reasons though.

This post wasn't about you, it was about Koshi.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:40 GMT
#1039
On June 24 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi.

He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time.

All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi.

Thank you for your considerations.

So help a brotha out and vote for LM so we can maybe lynch scum today.

But I really want to lynch YKZ!

*kicks up dust*

##Unvote YouKnowZhou
##Vote Lazermonkey


Gonna take a brief break, be back in an hour or so. Will be here till deadline today (no FNM on mondays yo)
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 23 2014 19:40 GMT
#1040
VE is soo smart!

##Unvote
##Vote Lazermonkey


LM vs VE!!! GOGOOGOGOOG!!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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